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Recommended Read: “Afterlife: The Resurrection Chronicles” by Merrie Destefano

Title: Afterlife: The Resurrection Chronicles
Author: Merrie Destefano (@MerrieDestefano on Twitter)
Type of UF: Futuristic/UF, noir, mystery, thrilling, adventure
Paranormal Element/ Creatures: Resurrection, Heaven/Hell
Publisher: US – Eos (Harper Collins imprint)
Release Date/s: September 28, 2010
Back Cover Copy:


Chaz Domingue works as a professional Babysitter in New Orleans. His job is to integrate and protect the recently deceased into their new and improved lives—a position he reluctantly accepted after his father was murdered. Though Fresh Start has always been the only game in town, resurrection isn’t what it’s cracked up to be. Nine lives are all a person can get—and a powerful group of desperate, high-level Nine-Timers will stop at nothing to possess the keys to true immortality. Unfortunately, this places Chaz at the lethal center of a maelstrom.

Now the only hope for Chaz and his family—and the ultimate fate of the human race—is secretly locked away in the mind of Angelique, the beautiful, mysterious Newbie who’s been entrusted to Chaz’s care…

From Harper Collins:

“A haunting story that seamlessly blends the hard-boiled twists of cyberpunk with the noir flavor of a Southern Gothic thriller. Gritty and compelling….Truly high octane stuff.”
—Marc Giller, author of Hammerjack
Bladerunner meets Jim Butcher in Afterlife, a thrilling urban fantasy noir adventure set in an alternate world where everyone gets nine lives. In the vein of J. D. Robb’s bestselling ‘In Death’ series, author Merrie Destefano blends a futuristic concept with gritty noir mystery for a riveting story of murder, conspiracy, and multiple-resurrections that will appeal equally to fantasy, science fiction, and mystery fans. Even paranormal romance lovers will find something to love in Destefano’s extraordinary Afterlife.

InkGypsy’s Amazon review:

I agree with Book Faery & SciFiChick – dark, mysterious, complex, riveting and steeped in the aura of New Orleans… and I too was happily speechless on finishing.

You have to read Ms. Destefano’s New Orleans based, futuristic urban fantasy “Afterlife” – beautiful, lush writing with that wonderful sense of immediacy and wit we love in UF! It’s an ode to the city and to hope and you won’t be able to put it down till you’re done – a stunning debut!

It’s #UFchat’s* recommended read for the end of 2010 and we can’t wait to speak to Ms. Destefano about how she built and crafted this wonderful novel, with its very real and complex characters, twisted mysteries, wonder-full urban darkness and the cities of the dead.

I only have one question: can we have more please?!

Interested? Want a taste of what we’re all raving about? Here’s the trailer:

You can read CHAPTER ONE HERE.

Join us for a special Q&A with author Merrie Destefano on December 11th, 2010.

We’ll be giving away a special signed copy of her book to chat participants! For automatic entry, just ask Merrie a question during the chat. See you on Saturday!

Gypsy (@InkGypsy)


* Transcript for October 23rd, 2010: Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF (incl. plain vanilla humans) Part 2

Here’s Part 2 of our can of worms discussion on the lack of diversity in UF – especially with regard to minorities and other rarely represented persons… some of which are obvious, others it seems obvious once it’s pointed out. We dealt mainly with #racefail last week though we do return to it this week to (how can we not?) but this week we discuss less obviously unrepresented minorities as well as other groups of people missing in general and particularly with regard to main characters. Oh yes – and we get into the ‘plain vanilla human’ issues this week too. 🙂

Minorities and Other Missing Persons of UF (including plain vanilla humans!)

@Ben_Aaronovitch asked an important question early on as people were arriving. It’s worth thinking about as you read through the transcript and as you tackle the diversity question in your own WIPs: What do writers need in order to diversify MCs in UF?

Official UFchat questions in YELLOW for easier reading.

Resources/ topic-related links are in BLUE.

If anyone wants to expand their thoughts in a blog post (or essay) in the coming weeks let me know and I’ll promote it.

AND: we’re talking monsters and Halloween next week! There are a TON of fabulous posts appearing right now. If you read one please forward it to @inkgypsy and/or tweet the link with the #UFchat hashtag. I’d really like to put together an ‘awesome Halloween & Monsters’ blog posts link list for the UFchat blog to help promote people and give y’all some excellent reading options while you lie there groaning and holding your too-much-candy-tummies on Sunday night. 😉

In the meantime DO NOT MISS The Spooky Legends Event happening over at All Things Urban Fantasy & Dark Faerie Tales! Urban legends and traditional monster stories RETOLD BY YOUR FAVORITE URBAN FANTASY CHARACTERS every day! From the Headless Horseman to Dracula to The Body in the Bed and many, many more. Click HERE to see the list of authors participating, the stories they’re retelling and the giveaways they’re having. Awesome new writing but stories that sound familiar – really awesome, not-to-be-missed Halloween reading.

Primer for #UFchat early birds is the same as last week: Analyzing Urban Fantasy by racialicious.com (diversity discussed 4th para on) http://bit.ly/dnUKYq

As per the week before, I added a couple of important notes at the start of the chat which I’m reposting here at the head:

IMPORTANT #UFchat note: With the subject of minorities, people are bound to feel odd discussing some aspects. Pls note Q’s are in generalities & there will be book & character exceptions to every statement. Please DO share them so all can be aware of them!

Jinxie_G: RT @UF_Chat: #UFchat in 15 mins! Sharpening can opener, letting worms wriggle free again… Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF Pt 2 – 3pmPST/6pmEST
9:48 pm JSterlingS: Wait, is this true? #UfChat is tackling #racefail? I’m there!
9:50 pm inkgypsy: Swapping to my #UFchat moderator identity, boots and all. Ouch! Yep can opener nicely sharp. More than the keyboard may get bloody tho.. 😉
9:51 pm inkgypsy: Yes – yes we are. In 9 mins! (Did I mention cans of worms?) RT @JSterlingS: Wait, is this true? #UfChat is tackling #racefail? I’m there!
9:52 pm J_GriffinB: #UFchat be on a few minutes late, but I’ll be on…
9:58 pm UF_Chat: Primer for #UFchat early birds (same last wk): Analyzing Urban Fantasy racialicious.com (diversity 4th para on) http://bit.ly/dnUKYq #UFchat
9:59 pm UF_Chat: Shaking up the can of worms for the 2nd week on #UFchat today. Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF! #UFchat
9:59 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat release the Worms! #UFchat #UFchat
10:00 pm UF_Chat: 3, 2.. & now live with #UFchat! Welcome back for Pt 2 of our controversial comeback discussion on lack of race & other minorities! #UFchat
10:00 pm UF_Chat: TODAY: Pt II – Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF ? esp. in MCs -(including plain old vanilla humans!) #UFchat
10:00 pm UF_Chat: IMPORTANT #UFchat note repeat: With subject of minorities, people are bound to feel odd discussing some aspects. Pls note: #UFchat
10:01 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat We need more race in UF! #UFchat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: #UFchat note cont: Q’s are in generalities. There will be book /character exceptions to evry statement-DO share so all can be aware! #UFchat
10:01 pm StephanieLMcGee: I’ll be in and out today. Mostly reading, not so much commenting from me. #UFChat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: Reminder: ?S? stands for statement which will be followed by a ?Q? (a related #UFchat question for discussion). #UFchat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: Q numbers will continue from last week. ? Ton of sub-questions this week. If you?d like a full chat on one of aspects let me know! #UFchat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: For those missed it, last week?s primer for #UFchat early birds discusses some of the (lack of) diversity in UF http://bit.ly/dnUKYq #UFchat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: S: Last week dealt mainly w race & ended on lack of geek/?brainpower? heroes in UF, incl. Giles-types as MC & MacGyver types. #UFchat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: Q9a&b rpt: Any thoughts on why the lack of such MCs in UF? (note: Both have xlnt female following) #UFchat
10:03 pm inkgypsy: @Ben_Aaronovitch Yes! Especially with regard to MCs. #UFchat
10:03 pm UF_Chat: For those interested in race issues & missed last week, don’t worry – we’re coming back to them in a bit. 🙂 #UFchat
10:04 pm UF_Chat: Q10: What about MCs who are parents (babies thru teens)? Where are they? Why aren?t they more prolific (esp re risky lifestyles)? #UFchat
10:05 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Perhaps refocus: what do writers need in order to diversify MCs in UF #UFchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: Have we got many people around today? I’m not seeing many regulars… (I know, pre-Halloween activities etc.. 😉 #UFchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch We covered last week how many writers don’t feel comfortable writing outside own race. Other suggestions? #UFchat
10:07 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @Ben_Aaronovitch I’m so lonely… #UFchat
10:07 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Aw – how weird! Wonder where everyone is? Had lots of RTs… #UFchat
10:08 pm JSterlingS: @Ben_Aaronovitch Writers need to realize there are more crayons than just the white male one in the box of creativity. #ufchat
10:08 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Did you see the transcript from last week at all? #UFchat
10:08 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat with risky lifestyles, you don’t want family/friends in the way if things go wrong. too much of a risk.
10:09 pm UF_Chat: @JSterlingS With regard to MCs in particular – diversity gets a good representation in supporting casts. #UFchat
10:09 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat If a writer is only writing what the feel comfortable with, then they have already lost the point of writing. #ufchat
10:10 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Agreed & sure many ‘take care of it’ but there must be some that fall through the ‘cracks’ & end up with children. #UFchat
10:10 pm StephanieLMcGee: It’s something I struggle with. My last book, the MC struggles with overcoming his parents’ racism. Not sure I did it so well, tho #UFChat
10:10 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat I was there live, I was thinking more of solutions rather than problems #UFchat
10:10 pm UF_Chat: @JSterlingS Yes – agreed – which is why this is so ironic in UF – genre that pushed boundaries & challenged acceptable norm to start #UFchat
10:11 pm UF_Chat: S: Several parent MCs of pre-teens have surfaced as well as ?removed? parents (eg ?just found out I have a 5 yr old). #UFchat
10:11 pm UF_Chat: Q10a: What about parents of toddlers or infants? Ever heard of a UF MC as such? Why aren?t they more common? #UFchat
10:11 pm UF_Chat: Q10b: Is there way to have MC offspring as anything other than monster bait or is it inevitable? #UFchat
10:11 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat hi taking a peek in but busy home life w kids, so may not be able to linger! Happy 2 b here for what I can, though! 🙂 #ufchat
10:12 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Appreciate it very much! You’d think with internet/social networking people would have more access to racial help. #UFchat
10:13 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat I’m sure you’d find that most characters would leave the kid somewhere. 😦
10:13 pm UF_Chat: @JulieeJohnsonn hi! Great to see you. Small number today it seems. Or the parent questions are stumping people. 😀 #UFchat
10:13 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat re: parenting. I love that idea! I think it would bring more complexity to MC. It would also make MC less of a loner? #ufchat
10:13 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat #ufchat I find it perfectly acceptable to have MC offspring to be a motivation for action instead of reaction.
10:13 pm UF_Chat: S: Only 1 main character (I?m aware of) in UF that is/was pregnant: Elena- werewolf in K. Armstrong?s ?Broken?. (Thx @jsmithready!) #UFchat
10:14 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Again it’s one of those things you’d think would be a huge challenge to a writer to figure out how to make it work. #UFchat
10:14 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat People should start with first hand accounts (of which there are plenty) books are still a good resource #UFchat
10:14 pm UF_Chat: Q10c: Why is the challenge of writing a pregnant MC not taken on more often in the ?edgy? UF? #UFchat
10:14 pm JSterlingS: There was one great story where an MC parent just wanted to take their kid to the zoo and what happened on the way… #ufchat
10:15 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat I think there is. With a pack mentality in weres children are very important. Covens have to have someone to pass knowledge to.
10:15 pm UF_Chat: Q10d: What about the child/children of a UF MC? What would they grow up to be like? (@StephanieLMcGee any thoughts?) #UFchat
10:15 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Speaking of kids just off to put mine to bed #UFchat
10:15 pm JSterlingS: Merry Gentry is pregnant, Anita thought she was… #ufchat
10:16 pm StephanieLMcGee: I would like to think that should my MC ever have kids, they’d be far more accepting than the MC’s parents b/c of opened world-view #UFChat
10:16 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat @jsmithready Has Kitty in Carrie Vaughn’s books gotten pregnant yet? Haven’t read them all…but she seems a good 1 for it! #ufchat
10:16 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 I didn’t even consider the pack mentality loving/requiring children! Xlnt. Usually see ‘new vamps’ but not same. #UFchat
10:16 pm MishaPolonsky: A bit late but I made it 🙂 Hi everyone; new here at #UFchat
10:16 pm UF_Chat: @JulieeJohnsonn I agree, though I’m also not completely up-to-date on the Kitty books now. #UFchat
10:17 pm JSterlingS: A10c: Too many male MCs/male writers #ufchat
10:17 pm UF_Chat: Q11: What about seniors? (as in aged – not vampire old) Beyond 2ndry mentors & challengers, why are not seeing them as MCs? #UFchatQ11a: What are challenges of writing a senior MC? #UFchat
10:17 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat pregnancy is a huge challenge in itself. Would the MC be less likely to put self in danger, or would others try to protect more?
10:17 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky Hi! Welcome. We’ll be coming back to race issues in a bit – looking at other untapped MC types in UF right now. 🙂 #UFchat
10:17 pm J_GriffinB: Back… #UFChat
10:18 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @MishaPolonsky welcome aboard – grab yourself a worm #UFchat
10:18 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat re: Carrie V. you’d think it’s the natural evolution between characters Kitty & Ben…first comes marriage, then… 🙂 #ufchat
10:18 pm JSterlingS: A11a: More limited mobility, slower healing… though the pros would be more experience, more cautious… #ufchat
10:18 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat 11a keeping the voice of the character true to their nascent era, I should think #UFChat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Find interesting-my experience not at all ‘natural’ but some cool weird stuff too that inspired supernatural ideas. #UFchat
10:19 pm StephanieLMcGee: I think one challenge of a senior MC would be the lack of energy that I’ve seen so often in the elderly. Hard to go monster killing #UFChat
10:19 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat I’m seriously now thinking a pregnant MC dur to this chat #UFchat
10:19 pm StephanieLMcGee: if you’re pooped. #UFChat
10:19 pm ericahayes: If you include a kid (or any 2ndary character) they need to serve a purpose. Hard with a 2-yo, except for using them as bad guy bait #UFchat
10:19 pm MishaPolonsky: @UF_Chat Cool, I’m excited. #UFchat
10:19 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat thinking of 4th Twilight book + Bella being pregnant…not UF persea but shows a way of dealing with vamps/parenting etc. #ufchat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Do you think all seniors sound their ‘era’ though? Most vital ones I’ve met more up-to-date than me! LOL #UFchat
10:19 pm J_GriffinB: @StephanieLMcGee That would also preclude them as MC, I should think #UFChat
10:20 pm MishaPolonsky: @Ben_Aaronovitch Thanks. Got my bucket full of them right here 🙂 #UFchat
10:20 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat My MC does become pregnant at some point later in her stories. Huge problem with family/friends as she has to fight
10:20 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat True, but you don’t want them sound like someone who grew up in the 20s if they grew up in the 30s, do you? #UFChat
10:20 pm UF_Chat: @ericahayes Agree would be hard but not impossible. And toddlers (esp once talking) could add a lot… #UFchat
10:20 pm UF_Chat: Q11b: Considering large % of consumers of UF bks are well over 30, why are older MCs not used more? #UFchat
10:21 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @ericahayes perhaps when they turn teenagers they get to be rebellious and more of a conflict character! 🙂 #ufchat
10:21 pm UF_Chat: Q11c: Is UF following ParaRom trend of young, hot, 1st love for MCs for marketing sake or really only want to read young MCs? #UFchat
10:21 pm UF_Chat: Q12: What about a disabled MC? Challenges vs potential? #UFchat
10:22 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat A11b Good question but in a long running series sooner or later a non-immortal is going to be a senior #UFchat
10:22 pm JSterlingS: 11c: I so certainly hope not. I’m angered that that ParaRom genre is even being recognized as a genre. #ufchat
10:22 pm StephanieLMcGee: My MC goes from 26-30+ in the course of the book. What can I say, I’m an older person in a younger body. LOL #UFChat
10:22 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat older MC lose that sex/fantasy flavor. Who wants to read about getting older. Readers want to have someone who is eager and rdy.
10:22 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Oh yes – agree there -just meant not all are stuck in their ‘prime era’. But yes going backward would be… not right. #UFchat
10:23 pm J_GriffinB: @Ben_Aaronovitch Stands to reason the earlier you start them, the longer the run you could make with them… #UFChat
10:23 pm MarciSischo: Ooops! Running late today. Hello! #UFChat
10:23 pm UF_Chat: @JSterlingS Angered because it’s really just romance? #UFchat
10:23 pm annikkawoods: Am I too late? #ufchat
10:23 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat Disabled MC: Daredevil. Cyclops Rogue Disabled does not mean unable. #ufchat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB See that’s what I think with UF series being the norm you think aging would show up a bit more. #UFchat
10:24 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat And that’s a problem I see with vamps & other ‘elder’ creatures; they rarely speak like the era of their origin, end up 1/2 #UFChat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: @annikkawoods Welcome! Here – minorities cont this week. 🙂 #UFchat
10:24 pm GeneDoucette: Made it to #ufchat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: S: Disabled MC in UF used: T.Huff?s MC going blind = big part of story. C.Crane?s takes on madness/mental disorders. #UFchat
10:24 pm J_GriffinB: Sounding ‘old-fashioned’ rather than using the cadences of someone of a specific era. #UFChat
10:24 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat 11b: for me writing a character born in 1985 was harder than him being mixed race. #UFchat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: S cont: Both gutsy author choices that paid off w critical acclaim. Suggestion that non-human blood been the ?disability? MC?s have. #UFchat
10:24 pm bentley1530: @UF_Chat @jsmithready I like that Elena did not change after having children but she has a good support system and uses it. #UFchat
10:25 pm Laura_Bickle: @UF_Chat Q11b: I’m all for over-30 heroines. My heroine in DARK ORACLE is over 30…a criminal profiler under 30 is unrealistic. #UFchat
10:25 pm MarciSischo: Both my MCs are older, one mid-thirties, one mid-late forties. I’m having fun with the “kids these days” jokes. #UFChat
10:25 pm UF_Chat: Q12a: Is this true? That non-human = disability? Or is non-human just to show isolation most everyone feels anyway? #UFchat
10:25 pm JSterlingS: @J_GriffinB It’s one of those continuity things ignored for easy reading I’ve heard. #ufchat
10:25 pm UF_Chat: Q12b: What?s the difference between disability & difference? #UFchat
10:25 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Goes back to halitosis and body odor. Nobody eats that up like they do hot characters with ripped abs. #UFChat
10:26 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat A12b: Having no legs is a disability. being Black is a difference. #ufchat
10:26 pm GeneDoucette: @J_GriffinB why would characters necessarily retain those speech patterns? They aren’t trapped in amber, they grow w/times. #ufchat
10:26 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Now you’re just asking for bots. :p #UFchat
10:27 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat probably to recature the allure of youth? I’d love to see older, wiser, tired but ‘I still got it’ type mature heroine/hero #ufchat
10:27 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat 12a: Non-Human can also=privilidge, I’m looking at you blood suckers. #UFchat
10:27 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat And I shall meet them, beat them and wear their circuit harness for garters. #UFChat
10:27 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB But see IRL women get bored VERY quickly w guys who ‘have it all’ like that -we want complexity, maturity, flexibility.. #UFchat
10:27 pm J_GriffinB: @GeneDoucette They can, certainly. #UFChat
10:27 pm J_GriffinB: @GeneDoucette They can, certainly. #UFChat
10:27 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB I like the way you think! LOL #UFchat
10:28 pm UF_Chat: S: Metaphors for disabilities in UF are sometimes really about disease. We see blood disorders commonly represented in UF. #UFchat
10:28 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Sure you do. #UFChat
10:28 pm UF_Chat: Q12c: How is dealing with disease different from having a disability? Why is disease more readily represented in UF than disability? #UFchat
10:28 pm MishaPolonsky: @J_GriffinB I’d have to agree w/ @GeneDoucette Tho if a vampire is extremely old, it’d be harder to grow out of their era-of-origin. #UFchat
10:29 pm UF_Chat: Q12d: How could more common disabilities make for unique premise of sustained interest? Deafness? Blindness? Impaired movmnt? #UFchat
10:29 pm MarciSischo: A12c — UFs tend to be action-heavy. Easier to be an action hero w/ a disease than w/ a wheelchair. #UFChat
10:29 pm Laura_Bickle: @UF_Chat Q11b: Anya in SPARKS is in her 30s..she’s an arson investigator, which isn’t a career she can be fully hatched into at 20. #UFchat
10:29 pm UF_Chat: Q12e: Considering chance of handicap is very high considering exploits of UF MCs could exploring such work within trope? #UFchat
10:29 pm JSterlingS: A12c: Diseases scare the mess out of us. Look at our love of zombies. Diseases we like to believe can be cured. #ufchat
10:29 pm StephanieLMcGee: RE: 12c Could it be a perception that disease is something that can happen on a dime more than can disability? (Don’t agree tho) #UFChat
10:29 pm GeneDoucette: Disability in the hands of some become the defining characteristic. #ufchat
10:30 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @J_GriffinB @UF_Chat I’m not sure I want a hero/heroine w bad breath…isn’t that 4 the villains? The ‘good’ guys emulate our ideals #ufchat
10:30 pm eileenandrews: #ufchat I think disease is seen as more of a challenge to overcome and disability is something you have to accept in the character.
10:30 pm GeneDoucette: @StephanieLMcGee disease is contagious. Disability isn’t. #ufchat
10:30 pm UF_Chat: @Laura_Bickle Read that recently & noticed! Glad to see it. Think 30s are emerging more now. #UFchat
10:30 pm J_GriffinB: @JulieeJohnsonn Sure, if they’re cookie-cutter… #UFChat
10:31 pm UF_Chat: @Laura_Bickle And must also say really enjoyed it – fire-fighting family here & also appreciated your research! Looking fwd to next! #UFchat
10:31 pm JSterlingS: A12d: Again I go to Marvel. Daredevil, Ironman, Cyclops, Prof X all disabled chars in an uf environment #ufchat
10:31 pm J_GriffinB: @GeneDoucette And that’s the big difference right there. #UFChat
10:31 pm StephanieLMcGee: Have to run. Catch y’all next week. #UFChat
10:31 pm curlyrbr: Hi, #UFchat what’s the topic?
10:31 pm UF_Chat: Q13: What about a child/underage MC BUT adult story, not YA or middle-grade novel? Is it possible? Good or bad idea? Why? #UFchat
10:31 pm UF_Chat: Q13a: There are adult literary books w child protags. How would you make it work in mainstream UF? #UFchat
10:31 pm J_GriffinB: @JSterlingS Cyclops is not blind, therefore not qualified. #UFChat
10:31 pm MishaPolonsky: A12d: All those disabilities are challenges to be overcome. The key is finding an interesting solution that makes them stand out. #UFchat
10:32 pm UF_Chat: @curlyrbr Hi! Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF – pt 2 (coming back to race shortly) #UFchat
10:32 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky Yes – funny thing is superhero stories make huge use of this but UF not so much. #UFchat
10:32 pm curlyrbr: @UF_Chat A13: Firestarter works #UFChat
10:32 pm J_GriffinB: @MishaPolonsky I am still liking the older protagonist limping his way into the fight. #UFChat
10:32 pm JSterlingS: a13: I hope it’s possible because that’s what I’m working on. In order to do realistic YA, we need to move into reality not dreams #ufchat
10:33 pm UF_Chat: S: UF often uses paranormal/supernatural creatures to explore social issues, continuing fantasy/sci-fi tradition of doing so. #UFchat
10:33 pm UF_Chat: S: Been a suggestion that lack of diversity in UF is actually due to ?replacement? of human minorities w supernatural groups. #UFchat
10:33 pm AnassaRh: Ha! Made it back for the last half of #ufchat. Putting on my writer hat again?
10:33 pm J_GriffinB: @MishaPolonsky and integral to the tales being told. #UFChat
10:33 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat a child MC would be difficult to write for mainstream adults. A child would have to be very grown up to be believable.
10:33 pm UF_Chat: Q14: What supernatural groups have been used to represent minorities (racial/sexual/other) that you?re aware of? #UFchat
10:33 pm JSterlingS: @J_GriffinB Not blind, but needs special “corrective” lenses to not kill, destroy. That’s a disability. #ufchat
10:34 pm curlyrbr: A13: Charlie’s dad has a major role, but she’s the MC #Firestarter #UFChat
10:34 pm GeneDoucette: @J_GriffinB limping protagonist. That’s what made the first Die Hard movie such a breath of fresh air when it came out. #ufchat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 It would be hard but it’s been done in literary circles so why not UF? Curious.. #UFchat
10:34 pm MishaPolonsky: @J_GriffinB I agree. #UFchat
10:34 pm J_GriffinB: @JSterlingS No, the power scale tips to even when you can cut through almost any substance. #UFChat
10:34 pm MarciSischo: A14: All of them, I’d think. True Blood + Vamps = Homosexuals. #UFChat
10:34 pm GeneDoucette: @J_GriffinB I mean, you never saw Ahnold bleed. #ufchat
10:35 pm AnassaRh: A13a: Treat the child protag as an adult, make them have adult decisions. Aim at adults, not kids. #ufchat
10:35 pm UF_Chat: S: Often UF has ½ (or less than ½) humans as MCs. Less often are ?badass normal? humans. Even less common are plain vanilla mortals. #UFchat
10:35 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat weres, witches, vamps, zombies etc
10:35 pm MarciSischo: Vamps and shifters in the Anitaverse stand in as kind of “generic” minorities. #UFChat
10:36 pm UF_Chat: S: Though some MCs begin as plain mortals in UF they?re often turned or transformed early in 1st book. #UFchat
10:36 pm AnassaRh: A lot of the child-protag books for adults that I’ve seen involve adult themes. Lovely Bones, Lullabies for Little Criminals. #ufchat
10:36 pm JSterlingS: @J_GriffinB Unintentional, uncontrollable death and destruction counts as a disability in my book. #ufchat
10:36 pm UF_Chat: Q15: Where are plain vanilla humans (any race or persuasion)? ie. not half-breeds or w magical destiny/doodad or soon-to-be-turned #UFchat
10:37 pm AnassaRh: And stepping back to Q13 itself: Yes, definitely possible to have a child protag in adult UF. Could be great if done well. #ufchat
10:37 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat the situations the MC put themselves in, would you want to be the one putting a child in that place? cont.
10:37 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat And then there are the plain mortals who for some reason every non-mortal falls in love with. #ufchat
10:37 pm JSterlingS: @AnassaRh You mean like the second half of the Potter sagas? #ufchat
10:37 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat I think, in UF, the non-vanilla humans have a higher survival rate than normal humans. #ufchat
10:37 pm AnassaRh: If done poorly, of course, will probably a) not sell or b) be sold as YA. #ufchat
10:37 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat Depends on the story, but would have to be a very special child to handle such things.
10:37 pm UF_Chat: Q15a: What are the challenges in writing plain vanilla humans as UF MCs (not having military background/police/etc background)? #UFchat
10:37 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat would you accept a plain vanilla human who just never gets older? #ufchat
10:37 pm MarciSischo: A15: Now there’s something I’d like to see more of. UF underestimates the ability of humans to hold their own vs the monsters. #UFChat
10:37 pm MishaPolonsky: A13a: A child protag would be great for a faerie story. Evil faerie captures child turns into their adventure w/ the goal to escape. #UFchat
10:37 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat *raises hand* Plain vanilla human in mine! *shameless self promotion* #UFChat
10:37 pm Laura_Bickle: @UF_Chat I’m probably biased… My 30s are MUCH more fun than my 20s, so I love reading about characters who are a bit older. #ufchat
10:38 pm AnassaRh: Yes, exactly. RT @JSterlingS: @AnassaRh You mean like the second half of the Potter sagas? #ufchat
10:38 pm UF_Chat: Good stuff too – promote away! RT @tasmin21: @UF_Chat *raises hand* Plain vanilla human in mine! *shameless self promotion* #UFchat
10:38 pm UF_Chat: @Laura_Bickle Agree – wouldn’t want to go through 20s again actually… LOL #UFchat
10:38 pm JSterlingS: A15: Being plain in a world of Supers can be terrifying if written well, or HORRID if written poorly . #ufchat
10:39 pm curlyrbr: A15: plain vanilla humans are too easily killed #ufchat
10:39 pm J_GriffinB: @JSterlingS And my opinion is different on that point…And we all know how opinions smell. #UFChat
10:39 pm Laura_Bickle: @UF_Chat Q15a: That whole sense of “Mrrrr…what fresh hell is this?” I love it when characters do that. #UFchat
10:39 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette LOL Can they be hurt? #UFchat
10:39 pm AnassaRh: Probably true. RT @annikkawoods: @UF_Chat I think, in UF, the non-vanilla humans have a higher survival rate than normal humans. #ufchat
10:40 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat yes. No invincibility, just immunity to disease. That’s my MC right there. #ufchat
10:40 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat plan mortals usually turn ‘badass’ as the mayhem beings… #ufchat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: Q15b: What would be awesome about reading a plain vanilla human MC? #UFchat
10:40 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat I’ll vouch his immortal can be hurt…maybe even killed. He takes a lot of abuse. (Just read IMMORTAL earlier this wk.) #ufchat
10:40 pm AnassaRh: A15: We get vanilla humans in supporting roles right now, since you’re asking where they are. 😉 Would love to see more as MCs. #ufchat
10:40 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Gene’s plugging his recently published novel, Immortal #UFChat
10:40 pm leapetra: very late, was making supper, but I am here #ufchat
10:40 pm elizabethkarr: @UF_Chat Am lurking.Must admit I’m partial to ‘vanilla’ characters. Ordinary people who due to circumstances do extraordinary things #UFChat
10:40 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat That was in regards to @GeneDoucette‘s comment. #ufchat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: Must mention I LOVE seeing the plain vanilla survive, beat the odds – war stories through UF. Need more in UF please! #UFchat
10:41 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat It’s all about the struggle. #UFChat
10:41 pm bentley1530: @UF_Chat #ufchat As a person of color, the supers can not represent me when most of the time they are white themselves.
10:41 pm GeneDoucette: @J_GriffinB sneaky, huh? #ufchat
10:41 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat like Rincewind. yeah he was a wizard but couldn’t cast a spell. He could run fast and a lot #ufchat
10:41 pm elizabethkarr: Many occurences of Death by Chocolate… RT @curlyrbr A15: plain vanilla humans are too easily killed #ufchat
10:41 pm JSterlingS: a15b: That may cross over into the world of horror. Similar to a zombie flick. #ufchat
10:41 pm AnassaRh: A15a: You’d have to work the story so they didn’t get killed, and give them something they could use to win fights. #ufchat
10:42 pm J_GriffinB: @GeneDoucette Perfectly placed, if you ask me. #UFChat
10:42 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat A15b watching them outsmart all those ubermenchen #UFchat
10:42 pm JulieeJohnsonn: Me too! RT @elizabethkarr I’m partial to ‘vanilla’ characters. Ordinary people who due to circumstances do extraordinary things #UFChat
10:42 pm AnassaRh: RT @JSterlingS: A15: Being plain in a world of Supers can be terrifying if written well, or HORRID if written poorly . #ufchat
10:42 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr Agree! Lot of variation as is. Throw in normal life, race diff.s & already ton to work with. Add supernatural = love #UFchat
10:42 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr But if the plain vanilla MC does something for the supernaturals or provides a service, then can be indispensable. #UFchat
10:43 pm UF_Chat: See this is why I’m partial to Batman out of Superheroes – he’s human, honed himself & skills but 100% human (with hang-ups) 🙂 #UFchat
10:43 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @AnassaRh normal mortals seem to gain badass skills as the tale progresses (or they die)…there’s a learning curve! #ufchat
10:43 pm GeneDoucette: altho actually the MC is also in a world with some toned down supers. No magic. #ufchat
10:44 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @MishaPolonsky Or it could be their job; cop, vampire hunter, dog keeper… #UFchat
10:44 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Racism is one of the things it is very hard to write without descending into cliches. #UFChat
10:44 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky Came up last week (?) re in humans if you get ‘gifts’ (eg supersmarts) DNA usually balances to be deficient elsewhere #UFchat
10:44 pm J_GriffinB: @Ben_Aaronovitch bus driver. #UFChat
10:45 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky So if the supers esp are ‘turned’ from human you’d think they would have lost something essentially human they want. #UFchat
10:45 pm MarciSischo: I like Supernatural for that, too. Plain humans, fighting with just skills & knowledge. #UFChat
10:45 pm AnassaRh: Q15b: I think you’d get more sense of badass-ness, and more sense of peril. With magic-humans, you kind of know they’ll get out ok. #ufchat
10:45 pm UF_Chat: Q16: What are the most memorable ATYPICAL MC premises for a UF story you?ve read (novel length or short)? #UFchat
10:45 pm curlyrbr: @J_GriffinB I agree; it’s hard and dangerous to write from a culture that isn’t yours #ufchat
10:45 pm Laura_Bickle: @UF_Chat Yes, Batman beats Superman HANDS DOWN! #ufchat
10:45 pm AnassaRh: @JulieeJohnsonn Yes, that’s true too. I like that about regular mortal stories, and even some magic-human ones. #ufchat
10:45 pm JSterlingS: @J_GriffinB Cliches are a key component of racism though. It’s where we get stereotypes from. #ufchat
10:45 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @MarciSischo And lots of salt, lets not forget the salt #UFChat
10:45 pm J_GriffinB: I hate driving into that fuckin part of town.Damn weres are _always_ chasing the fuckin’ bus. Course, you would too, were U a dog! #UFChat
10:46 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat I think humans turned “supers” lose part of their humanity. That’s how I’ve always played it, at least, in my stories. #ufchat
10:46 pm MarciSischo: Also, now that I think of it, Supernatural has had disable characters, too. The blind psychic, Bobby in a wheelchair. #UFChat
10:46 pm AnassaRh: Seconded! RT @UF_Chat: I LOVE seeing the plain vanilla survive, beat the odds – war stories through UF. Need more in UF please! #UFchat
10:46 pm curlyrbr: @UF_Chat Yes, like compassion, faith, hope, etc. #ufchat
10:46 pm GeneDoucette: @annikkawoods Adam does take a beating at the end of the book, doesn’t he? #ufchat
10:46 pm MishaPolonsky: @Ben_Aaronovitch True. Or a journalist even 🙂 Something I’m playing around with with one of my MCs. Course he’s working for a vamp. #UFchat
10:46 pm JSterlingS: Black female singer dealing with a Puerto Rican drug lord vamp-slaying team – Vampire Huntress Series #ufchat
10:47 pm ericahayes: @JulieeJohnsonn or a sidekick #UFchat
10:47 pm annikkawoods: @GeneDoucette Mm-hmm. Poor guy. LOL #ufchat
10:47 pm MarciSischo: @Ben_Aaronovitch Salt: the answer to all your supernatural problems! 😀 #UFChat
10:47 pm curlyrbr: @AnassaRh Not always true, you can always make kryptonite for your magical MCs #ufchat
10:47 pm leapetra: I can’t think of a atypical MC, all of them seem to be cops, cia, priests, professors. #ufchat
10:47 pm UF_Chat: One of my fave UF short stories is about a black mother of toddler who has to fight vamp while kid watches. Heart wrenching. #UFchat
10:48 pm GeneDoucette: Magic bugs me. You have to set some hard rules to employ magic well. #ufchat
10:48 pm MishaPolonsky: @UF_Chat Could be that the supernaturals turn to normal humans to find something they lost. Vampires fit this category esp. well. #UFchat
10:48 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat One of my fav was “Confessions of a Soccer Mom” – retired demon hunter lured back into the fray w/her daughter threatened. #ufchat
10:48 pm GeneDoucette: atypical MC? Um… *insert another plug here* #ufchat
10:48 pm JSterlingS: @curlyrbr It may be hard, but the research required to write from another culture would make you a better writer. #ufchat
10:48 pm MishaPolonsky: @UF_Chat At least the ones still trying to retain their humanity. #UFchat
10:49 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat in a non UF story similar premise A daughter convinces her now vampire mother to leave them alone out of love. #ufchat
10:49 pm J_GriffinB: @GeneDoucette And a way to reveal them without ‘telling’ what you are revealing. I loved that about Nine Princes In Amber. #UFChat
10:49 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @GeneDoucette I always dislike it when magic (as in wizards) is an inate power. #ufchat
10:49 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat I think my Jesse is atypical. That’s why I wrote him the way I did. #UFChat
10:50 pm elizabethkarr: 🙂 @UF_Chat @JulieeJohnsonn GMTA #UFchat
10:50 pm elizabethkarr: RT @UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr Agree! Lot of variation as is. Throw in normal life, race diff.s & already ton to work with. Add supernatural = love #UFchat
10:50 pm AnassaRh: A16: @alyxdellamonica had a story on Tor.com about a lesbian and a werewolf puppy. Loved that one. #ufchat
10:50 pm leapetra: @GeneDoucette mine too, Beka for the first 6 chapters, fat, emotional issues, after 6, becomes a vampire, still fat. #ufchat
10:50 pm MarciSischo: @Ben_Aaronovitch @GeneDoucette Magic as inate annoys me, too. You should have to work for that much power. #UFChat
10:50 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat I don’t think that’s the exact title of the book, but I thought it was interesting. #ufchat
10:50 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Tor recently had short re lesbian carpenter MC who helps woman who adopts werewolf baby -didn’t read as GLBT lit. wow xlnt #UFchat
10:50 pm GeneDoucette: @Ben_Aaronovitch my favorite use of magic was probably in Constantine. the books, not the movie. #ufchat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Heh – you wrote my tweet.. LOL #UFchat
10:51 pm annikkawoods: @GeneDoucette I agree. I liked the way the magic was used in those stories. The movie was ok but not as good as the books. #ufchat
10:51 pm Laura_Bickle: I think I’m okay with magic as long as there’s a heavy price to pay. A lot of stories make magic too easy. #UFChat
10:51 pm GeneDoucette: @MarciSischo the advantage of making it innate is to explain why it’s not common. #ufchat
10:51 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @MarciSischo I think we can take my flagrant plug for own book as read here #UFChat
10:51 pm JSterlingS: Magic itself can be a huge disability. Or at the very least a crutch. That’s why we as writers should steal that crutch. #ufchat
10:51 pm annikkawoods: And if we’re talking atypical characters, I could introduce you to Crysali, Jae Lin, Jerryth, Brad, Celeste, and Gabriel. #ufchat
10:51 pm GeneDoucette: @annikkawoods I took a lot from them when writing. #ufchat
10:52 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Yeah, I saw that. Heh. Definitely means it’s a good story, then. #ufchat
10:52 pm UF_Chat: @annikkawoods What are they? What do they do? How are they atypical? #UFchat
10:52 pm MishaPolonsky: @Ben_Aaronovitch @MarciSischo Interesting. I like innate magic, but as a tiny power a young mage needs to work and train to perfect. #UFchat
10:52 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @GeneDoucette Making it rare is a problem: I went for making it hard work, dangerous and few teachers #ufchat
10:53 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @annikkawoods @UF_Chat re Soccer Mom Just got that book out of the library! Yes, UR are right, great idea re: older MC with family! #ufchat
10:53 pm J_GriffinB: @GeneDoucette Unless it’s a key to success, in which case they’d breed more often, lots more little Adam’s running about. #UFChat
10:53 pm MarciSischo: @GeneDoucette @Ben_Aaronovitch We deliberately kept supes v. uncommon in our story, too. Most our secondaries are plain human. 1/2 #UFChat
10:53 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Crysali is a Native American shaman cursed by Raven. He’s her familiar. She’s a hunter who’s also very mortal. #ufchat
10:53 pm UF_Chat: Also read another short in which a toddler was turned zombie. Parents caring for but out of wits re care. MC was mother. LOVED it! #UFchat
10:53 pm MarciSischo: @GeneDoucette @Ben_Aaronovitch Magic makes you grossly powerful… if you can get it right. 😉 And live long enough to learn it. #UFChat
10:54 pm specficdb: @GeneDoucette @Ben_Aaronovitch I totally agree Constantine was brilliant w Its use of.magic but not in ur face religion #ufchat
10:54 pm curlyrbr: My MC is the only magic wielder, and it has a tendancy to corrupt #ufchat
10:54 pm UF_Chat: Must mention this doesn’t mean we’re against human/non-human mixes or MCs that are supernatural but we get lots choice re those. #UFchat
10:54 pm GeneDoucette: @J_GriffinB yes, except Adam’s not magic. #ufchat
10:54 pm J_GriffinB: I want some redneck, barely a toof between ’em protags too. Urban environment scary to them, but they know how to ‘Get r done’ #UFChat
10:54 pm Laura_Bickle: @UF_Chat I want to read the zombie toddler story…where did you see it? #UFChat
10:55 pm AnassaRh: Going back to previous questions now, during gaps: Q10 Parent MC features in Kelly Gay’s books. Teenage daughter. #ufchat
10:55 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Jae Lin is a Japanese monster given human form who hunts only to pay her way through college…and avenge her dad. #ufchat
10:55 pm GeneDoucette: @Ben_Aaronovitch yes, but it’s a different kind of problem. Depends on what you want to do with magic. #ufchat
10:55 pm leapetra: @MarciSischo I like Pratchett’s rules for magic. The ones that study it know its better not to use it. #ufchat
10:55 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat Def have to share the zombie toddler story. #ufchat
10:55 pm JulieeJohnsonn: Have to go now but thanks to everyone for a great #ufchat! Always gives me lots to think about! 🙂
10:55 pm GeneDoucette: @specficdb yes, Constantine hardly uses magic at all. His strength is knowledge and intellect. and ruthlessness. #ufchat
10:55 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr Magic can definitely corrupt. It can turn into a vile drug if abused too much. #UFchat
10:55 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Jerryth is a muscle bound werewolf who wants to be an artist/painter instead of a fighter. Very bright, strong, creative. #ufchat
10:55 pm MarciSischo: @leapetra Me too! We wanted to use an idea like that, but it didn’t work out for us. We were sad. #UFChat
10:56 pm leapetra: @J_GriffinB I would read that #ufchat
10:56 pm UF_Chat: Q17: Re racial migration (because it’s everywhere) why don’t we see much of this in UF? Story potential is huge! #UFchat
10:56 pm UF_Chat: @JulieeJohnsonn *Waves* #UFchat
10:56 pm AnassaRh: A10: I think if someone knows they’ll be involved in supernatural, lthey’re ess likely to risk having kids to be caught up in that. #ufchat
10:56 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @GeneDoucette Agreed, wild, esoteric or functional #ufchat
10:56 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky Ah yes – the magic as drug and actually straight forward drug use in UF – don’t see too much! #UFchat
10:57 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Celeste & Gabriel are fallen angels. Celeste wants to be a singer. Gabe owns a club that’s home to some unusual pasttimes. #ufchat
10:57 pm J_GriffinB: @GeneDoucette See that’s the paradox. If something is terribly far beyond our comprehension, the very idea of it _becomes_ magic #UFChat
10:57 pm Daylilie222: #UFChat Lovey, can you send me the link so I can join in?
10:57 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat I touch upon that in my series, for background about how the city has changed. #ufchat
10:57 pm AnassaRh: Oooh, y’know what could be cool? Vamp/were MC who has to “parent” a newly-turned supe. Off topic, I know? #ufchat
10:57 pm UF_Chat: Currently reading Kelly Gay’s 2nd bk & some main characs have to deal with a new forced drug addiction. Interesting complication. #UFchat
10:57 pm J_GriffinB: In an irony, I am listening to Queen’s I want it all… #UFChat
10:57 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @GeneDoucette Our three main weapons are strength, knowledge, ruthlessness and the truth… our four main weapons #ufchat
10:57 pm UF_Chat: @Daylilie222 http://tweetchat.com/room/UFchat (almost done – hurry!) #UFchat
10:58 pm AnassaRh: Would also like to see UF parents bringing kids into The Business, a la Supernatural. #ufchat
10:58 pm curlyrbr: @leapetra Right, and no sex for wizards in Pratchett’s world as it depletes their casting abilities #ufchat
10:58 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat None of them are white, none of them have a great deal of “magic”, and they all want something different out of their lives #ufchat
10:58 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Yes – there is that problem of balancing all the wishlists against a solid story! #UFchat
10:58 pm leapetra: @curlyrbr yup, but not a problem for witches. Nanny ogg! #ufchat
10:58 pm Daylilie222: Hey all.. better late.. #ufchat
10:58 pm UF_Chat: FINAL Q18: UF wish lists: what ?missing persons? would you like to see take center stage in UF? #UFchat
10:59 pm MishaPolonsky: @UF_Chat What about vampire blood? I’ve seen it used as an addictive drug many times – esp. for normal humans. #UFchat
10:59 pm J_GriffinB: @annikkawoods One issue that can arise from this is creating your own heterogenous society. We’re all different! See how different? #UFChat
10:59 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Did you see earlier question about how kid with a UF MC parent would grow up? Haven’t seen it dealt with (xpt superheroes) #UFchat
11:00 pm MarciSischo: A18: More vanilla humans, I think. #UFChat
11:00 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat more older characters, just saw Red, the potential to transfer that plot to a UF would be fun #ufchat
11:00 pm curlyrbr: @leapetra LOL I have her cookbook #ufchat
11:00 pm GeneDoucette: @Ben_Aaronovitch should I expect the Spanish Inquisition? #ufchat
11:00 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat A18 Giinna Yashere: Vampire Hunter #UFchat
11:00 pm MarciSischo: A18: More older characters would be good, too. #UFChat
11:00 pm annikkawoods: @J_GriffinB I base my worlds (protags are from 2 diff uf stories) on my hometown. Very unique environment around here. #ufchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky Now True Blood is so big & director really took the idea of ‘V’ & explored it seeing more but trying to list was hard #UFchat
11:00 pm AnassaRh: A18: Anyone and everyone we’ve discussed during #ufchat the last two weeks? Really, not picky? 😉
11:00 pm MarciSischo: After all, older hunters would be scary, esp in world where humans fight the supernatural. #UFChat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch What was the atypicality (is that a word?) for that MC? #UFchat
11:01 pm GeneDoucette: A18: I sort of invent my own when I need them. #ufchat
11:01 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @GeneDoucette Must…resist…urge… too late… ‘NOBODY EXPECTS… #ufchat
11:01 pm annikkawoods: RT @AnassaRh: A18: Anyone and everyone weve discussed during #ufchat the last two weeks? Really, not picky?<~ Exactly. This. #ufchat
11:01 pm MarciSischo: Like Pratchett’s “Old Barbarians” theory. 😀 #UFChat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo YES! I like that idea – scary older hunters, absolutely! #UFchat
11:01 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Not yet, I don’t think. Working my way through the chat now. Had a sudden lunch date. #ufchat
11:01 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat A18 Red neck hunter of bad’uns; a bit ignorant, missing some teeth, missing political correctness, in touch with his anger. #UFChat
11:01 pm curlyrbr: @UF_Chat sounds like celebrity rehab: superheroes’ kids edition #ufchat
11:02 pm leapetra: @MarciSischo or in the Call of Ctuthulu RPG, older characters would be the fastest ones. LOL #ufchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette Can you give us examples? #UFchat
11:02 pm MishaPolonsky: @UF_Chat True. Although I’ve seen vamp blood used as a drug a few times even before True Blood introduced “V” #UFchat
11:02 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Archetype would probably be a better word. #UFChat
11:02 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Black female middle aged british stand up comic #UFchat
11:02 pm GeneDoucette: @Ben_Aaronovitch bring out… the comfy chair! #ufchat
11:02 pm specficdb: @UF_Chat lol u ask tough questions. #ufchat like to see a different take on angels w o involving too much religion
11:02 pm JSterlingS: I would love to see more non-whites of all varieties including but not limited to blacks and women in UF. #ufchat
11:03 pm J_GriffinB: A18: Billy Bob the Hunter #UFChat
11:03 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat I created a creature called an iffrit… I’ll probably create a few more. And when I’m not creating new ones I’m (cont) #ufchat
11:03 pm MarciSischo: I wouldn’t mind seeing a few more male heros in UF. Seems like the gals have the guys way outnumbered. #UFChat
11:03 pm annikkawoods: @specficdb That’s what I explore w/”The Fallen”, my UF about angels/demons. Religion isn’t the focal point at all. #ufchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky Well Charlaine Harris pretty much opens her series (many yrs old now) with draining blood to sell (‘V’) so yes. 🙂 #UFchat
11:03 pm J_GriffinB: @leapetra With the best running shoes. I don’t have to be the fastest, I just have to be faster than you. #UFChat
11:03 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat …redefining old ones. I like removing magic and seeing what’s left. #ufchat
11:03 pm curlyrbr: @MarciSischo The Silver Horde is a perfect example! #ufchat
11:03 pm leapetra: I would like to see a Native American, not as the mystical character #ufchat
11:04 pm TrueBloodBot: RT @MishaPolonsky @UF_Chat True. Although I’ve seen vamp blood used as a drug a few times even before True Blood introduced “V” #UFchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette There is such a thing as an iffrit… I’d have to look up it’s origins but definitely in the myth canon. #UFchat
11:04 pm AnassaRh: Q17: UF is typically set in ONE city. People hesitant to use multiple ones in a single story, as a result? “Too much” research? #ufchat
11:04 pm MarciSischo: @curlyrbr Right? I LOVED that story! 😀 #UFChat
11:04 pm specficdb: @JSterlingS @labanks does black female MC #ufchat
11:04 pm leapetra: We need more Rincewinds in UF. #ufchat
11:04 pm JSterlingS: @J_GriffinB This is why one should have a machete. To make sure YOU are the fastest. #ufchat #hamstringem
11:04 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Patricia Briggs MC Mercy Thompson is – there are more Native Am. than blacks in UF actually. Weird I know. #UFchat
11:04 pm AnassaRh: Would love to see stories about people fleeing Super-X only to encounter Super-Y in their new country. #ufchat
11:04 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat yes, but not the way I use them. I think iffrit is similar to genie. #ufchat
11:04 pm J_GriffinB: @TrueBloodBot WoD had it a long time back #UFChat
11:05 pm specficdb: @GeneDoucette @UF_Chat I believe an ifriit is a fire elemental but I could be wrong #ufchat
11:05 pm JSterlingS: @specficdb Oh I know. I’ve been devouring her books for some t ime now. #ufchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: Coming to close here & we’re already talking different monsters! Which is xlnt because next week is all about them (+ Halloween) #UFchat
11:05 pm AnassaRh: Vampires lurking in refugee camps. Monsters immigrating along with humans, like in American Gods. #ufchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: That?s a wrap for #UFchat today! Next week will be all about Monsters & our fave UF holiday Halloween! #UFchat
11:06 pm MishaPolonsky: @J_GriffinB Yep. Even now. I’ve always been a fan of the WoD. #UFchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Got a topic you want to chat about? Let me know! (@inkgypsy) I?ll add it to the list & maybe even bump up the chat-date for it. ? #UFchat
11:06 pm J_GriffinB: Goin’ to WFC, who’m I gonna have to buy a drink there? #UFChat
11:06 pm GeneDoucette: Finally made it to this chat. Glad to have. #ufchat
11:06 pm MarciSischo: Yaay, Halloween! 😀 #UFChat
11:06 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Hurrah, next week, monster worms #ufchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Some additional resources on minorities & the other missing persons of UF for writers & readers in next few tweets: #UFchat
11:06 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat warning next week UFchat is during my halloween party, might get drunk tweets #ufchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Gay Protagonist in Urban Fantasy? (the lack of and how ?other? being characters may be substituting. http://bit.ly/9K3tTF #UFchat
11:06 pm AnassaRh: Ooh. RT @UF_Chat: Coming to close here & we’re already talking different monsters! Which is xlnt because next week is all about them #UFchat
11:06 pm GeneDoucette: And not incidentally, Immortal is out now, copies ARE available (finally, it kept selling out) on Amazon. http://amzn.to/a7mCQg #ufchat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: Diversity in Urban Fantasy (Equal Rights For Humans!) by Rob Thurman http://bit.ly/bdKqoC #UFchat
11:07 pm MarciSischo: Nice chatting, everyone! See you next week! (I think… must check work schedule…) #UFChat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: Gee mom, what?s with the stake? by Sharon Ashwood http://bit.ly/bxALRT #UFchat
11:07 pm elizabethkarr: RT @JulieeJohnsonn: Me too! RT @elizabethkarr I’m partial to ‘vanilla’ characters. Ordinary people who due to circumstances do extraordinary things #UFChat
11:07 pm curlyrbr: @UF_Chat Ifrit is a fire-based aeon in FF10; all their names come from myths #ufchat
11:07 pm J_GriffinB: @MishaPolonsky Know a couple of their early writers… One wrote the core Twilight 2013 Rules. #UFChat
11:07 pm EnHNorthman: RT @TrueBloodBot: RT @MishaPolonsky @UF_Chat True. Although I’ve seen vamp blood used as a drug a few times even before True Blood introduced “V” #UFchat
11:07 pm specficdb: @GeneDoucette #ufchat that’s the whole issue people end up arguing about…they want new takes on old mythos but u can’t make.them sparkle
11:07 pm MishaPolonsky: Really great chat! I’m so glad I made my first #UFchat I’ll definitely try and make the next one. Thanks everyone.
11:07 pm GeneDoucette: @specficdb yeah, I took the name but nothing else. w/o magic in my universe I’m free to play. #ufchat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh I like that whole idea – so much you could do with it – plus think of monsters in territory that have to be dealt with 2. #UFchat
11:08 pm JSterlingS: Why #racefail was a GOOD thing: http://is.gd/geNd2 #ufchat
11:08 pm J_GriffinB: @elizabethkarr I think the best fiction around is rooted in the overcoming of adversity. #UFChat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky Thanks for coming! #UFchat
11:08 pm specficdb: RT @UF_Chat: Diversity in Urban Fantasy (Equal Rights For Humans!) by Rob Thurman http://bit.ly/bdKqoC #UFchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: Mind Games by Carolyn Crane (review by All Things Urban Fantasy incl handicaps of the characters) http://bit.ly/9Clze8 #UFchat
11:08 pm GeneDoucette: @specficdb I trash all of that. I treat demons as simply another species, for instance. Dragons, get demystified as well. #ufchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: RT @JSterlingS: Why #racefail was a GOOD thing: http://is.gd/geNd2 #UFchat
11:09 pm AnassaRh: Q10b: Probably inevitable if you’ve got a series going. At some point, the baddies will think to raise the stakes. #ufchat
11:09 pm MishaPolonsky: @J_GriffinB That’s pretty sweet that you know some of the early writers. I’m reading the oWoD VtM Clan Novels right now 🙂 #UFchat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: A Brief Note on Disabled Superheroes? by SuperheroNation.com http://bit.ly/dse00Y #UFchat
11:09 pm GeneDoucette: this is actually the first chat I’ve been in with at least two people who’ve read/are reading the book. Pinch me. #ufchat
11:09 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Or the clashes between new and old monsters? 3 different types of vamp find themselves with the same territory? #ufchat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: @UF_Chat lights out. 😉 See you all Halloween weekend! Bring your favorite monsters, legends, movies & stories for a lot of fun. ? #UFchat
11:10 pm J_GriffinB: @MishaPolonsky Incestuous community, like hollywood. Feed off one another. #UFChat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: #UFchat transcript available on the #UFchat blog in 36hrs-ish, allowing for late comments. Just use the hashtag. ? #UFchat
11:10 pm MishaPolonsky: @GeneDoucette I’m cracking it open tonight! #UFchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Kinda what I meant but didn’t tweet well – yeah! LOL Think of eco-system changes etc #UFchat
11:11 pm specficdb: Please feel free to add me. I’m the twitter acct 4 the new spec fic site listing specfic authors #ufchat (plz rt) hope 2chat more next week
11:11 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat I might post from WFC, might not. Got a seat at the Baen dinner at WFC…Pays to have friends in low places… #UFChat
11:11 pm AnassaRh: Q10c: Suspect pregnancy is rare because harming babies is slightly taboo. Also (cynic here) pregnant woman aren’t hot. #ufchat
11:11 pm GeneDoucette: @MishaPolonsky awesome…! #ufchat
11:12 pm UF_Chat: RT @curlyrbr: @UF_Chat Ifrit is a fire-based aeon in FF10; all their names come from myths #UFchat
11:12 pm GeneDoucette: OK I should put the groceries away now… #ufchat
11:12 pm J_GriffinB: @AnassaRh Beg to differ. I’d like to see a witch’s power get amped by her pregnancy. #UFChat
11:13 pm AnassaRh: Q10d: If kid knew about parent’s job, would likely be tough but worried, and good with a knife. Possibly eager to come with. #ufchat
11:13 pm J_GriffinB: @AnassaRh and to me, preggars is pretty, just not for touching. #UFChat
11:13 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh See this is my question tho – UF started with writing all the ‘taboo’ stuff – women, violence, rape etc & literary fic.. #UFchat
11:13 pm J_GriffinB: @J_GriffinB woman’s Power, that kind of thing. #UFChat
11:14 pm AnassaRh: Q10d: If kid didn’t know, would think parent neglectful/abused or maybe not even care. #ufchat
11:14 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh deals with all these things already so why not UF? Just seems… like a big gap. #UFchat
11:15 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh There is that ‘soccer mom’ vamp hunter in the suburbs series but I’ve heard mixed reviews. Yet to read myself. #UFchat
11:15 pm AnassaRh: @J_GriffinB Was thinking more on “so many UF woman are stick figure sex symbols”, and pregnancy isn’t a “turn-on” like D-cups. #ufchat
11:15 pm ruthbeingruth: @AnassaRh thinking Principal Wood, whose mom was a Slayer… #ufchat
11:15 pm AnassaRh: @J_GriffinB I’d love pregnancy to be a bonus too. #ufchat
11:15 pm MarciSischo: RT @curlyrbr: @MarciSischo The Silver Horde is a perfect example! #ufchat
11:15 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Thing is pregnancy does really WEIRD crap to a woman’s body – it feels supernatural not natural at all. Untapped for UF. #UFchat
11:16 pm J_GriffinB: @AnassaRh Well, an established character might be fun to put through this… Especially if she has a holy shit moment when power +5 #UFChat
11:17 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Xactly what I meant. It’s also ‘Woman’s magic’, and something no ‘dead thing’ could hope to match, pretty cool. #UFChat
11:17 pm UF_Chat: @ruthbeingruth People keep forgetting Buffy series-dealt with almost all the the current issues UF is neglecting. Incredible really. #UFchat
11:18 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Def. a big gap. Definitely NOT suggesting we keep to norms. But you asked why no pregnant women. 🙂 #ufchat
11:18 pm J_GriffinB: And is the in-vitro child affected by the action? #UFChat
11:18 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Same here, on the soccer mom. So many books, so little time! #ufchat
11:18 pm AnassaRh: @J_GriffinB Yes yes yes! #ufchat
11:19 pm UF_Chat: @ruthbeingruth Actually I think short story I mentioned of black mom fighting vamp while kid watched WAS Principle Wood’s origin. #UFchat
11:19 pm J_GriffinB: en utero, I should have said, I think? #UFChat
11:19 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB OK – definitely reading your next book. 😉 I’d love to see this explored. #UFchat
11:20 pm ruthbeingruth: @UF_Chat (not) Balancing Slayer life & normal life from “The Body” on was one of Buffy’s strengths. No steady job, etc. #UFchat
11:20 pm elizabethkarr: AGREE! RT @J_GriffinB @elizabethkarr I think the best fiction around is rooted in the overcoming of adversity. #UFChat
11:20 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat But I don’t write UF, dears. I just like the community here. #UFChat
11:20 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Yes – I want to see them all but all in one book would be a disaster! LOL #UFchat
11:20 pm J_GriffinB: I have many more ideas than I could ever write. #UFChat
11:21 pm curlyrbr: I have an MC who has to deal with the issue of bringing a child into her world that is unkind to humans #ufchat
11:21 pm AnassaRh: And it looks like I won’t make it through the remaining #ufchat until after work. Got to earn more money for books!
11:21 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Ditto – waiting for the direct brain download function for the rest & choosing the most urgent to actually write. 🙂 #UFchat
11:22 pm J_GriffinB: It seems no one will be attending WFC with me? #UFChat
11:23 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh 😦 Will have to stay up for you again. 🙂 #UFchat
11:23 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr Ooh – that sounds interesting. So are humans a minority in that world? #UFchat
11:23 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat I just finished the second draft of my SF cop thriller. #UFChat
11:23 pm UF_Chat: Gotta fly people! Thank you for a great ton of ideas. Monsters & Halloween next week! #UFchat
11:24 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Not on my behalf, please. If you want to respond to my posts, do so in the morning. Get your sleep. #ufchat
11:24 pm curlyrbr: @MishaPolonsky Enslaved and my MC is a free, wild human #ufchat
11:24 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky You might like Benighted – plain humans are the minority & werewolves are the normal ones. Need humans for full moons #UFchat
11:25 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky but otherwise are reviled – maybe more so because weres can’t completely do away with them. Fascinating book. #UFchat
11:25 pm curlyrbr: @J_GriffinB Pardon my dumb ?? but what is WFC #ufchat
11:26 pm MishaPolonsky: @UF_Chat Hm, I haven’t checked that out. Will do. Thanks 🙂 #UFchat
11:26 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Current;y have insomnia & sleepless toddler – likely up anyway. 😉 #UFchat
11:26 pm J_GriffinB: World Fantasy Convention… Industry folks, etc. End of October each year…Standby for link. #UFChat
11:26 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr Now that sounds even more interesting. #UFchat
11:27 pm UF_Chat: REALLY got to go! Pumpkins need picking & monsters hunting (for research purposes of course!) See y’all next week! #UFchat
11:27 pm J_GriffinB: http://www.contextsf.org/WFC/ #UFChat
11:27 pm MishaPolonsky: @UF_Chat Take care! #UFchat
11:27 pm inkgypsy: @J_GriffinB Hoping I can attend when toddler grows to be non-toddler… 🙂 #UFchat (WFC)
11:28 pm J_GriffinB: @inkgypsy Next year is in San Diego, so not quite so far for you, I think? #UFChat
11:28 pm curlyrbr: @MishaPolonsky Yes, but then I say “Vampires rule” and the agents run away #ufchat
11:30 pm curlyrbr: @J_GriffinB if a con doesn’t fall during a holiday, I can’t go #ufchat
11:30 pm J_GriffinB: @curlyrbr Perhaps if they met you at something like WFC, they might listen… Just sayin. #UFChat
11:30 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr Haha. I have an idea stored away for a (believe it or not) sci-fi/UF story w/ vampires enslaving humans on another planet. #UFchat
11:31 pm J_GriffinB: @curlyrbr I took it off to go… Made some friends and came off last year’s high on the craft and possibilities. #UFChat
11:32 pm curlyrbr: @J_GriffinB I totally agree, but until I finish my PhD, math and work take precedence over travel for writing #ufchat
11:32 pm J_GriffinB: @MishaPolonsky Lifeforce was an incredible movie. Zombies at the will of Space Vampires. Truly awesome. #UFChat
11:33 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr Tho the humans on Earth aren’t and they don’t know about the vampire agents living there as spies for their “home” planet. #UFchat
11:34 pm J_GriffinB: @curlyrbr Good on you for getting educated. I failed to get an undergraduate degree, myself. Academia and me don’t mix well. #UFChat
11:34 pm MishaPolonsky: @J_GriffinB I was going to say: I personally haven’t seen much in the realm of sci-fi mixed w/ UF. I’ll check Lifeforce out. #UFchat
11:34 pm curlyrbr: @MishaPolonsky interesting…my humans are farmed like cows #ufchat
11:35 pm J_GriffinB: @MishaPolonsky The female lead is naked for most of the film, just warning you. #UFChat
11:36 pm J_GriffinB: @MishaPolonsky Not that it isn’t a pleasure to watch… #UFChat
11:36 pm rpgdm: RT @leapetra: @MarciSischo or in the Call of Ctuthulu RPG, older characters would be the fastest ones. LOL #ufchat
11:36 pm MishaPolonsky: @J_GriffinB Yeah, what’s wrong with that? 🙂 #UFchat
11:37 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr Cool. Are they kept alive for the most part or sucked dry? #UFchat
11:38 pm curlyrbr: @J_GriffinB College isn’t for everyone, but the PhD is something I had to go for, just like writing a novel #ufchat if I fail, I tried
11:38 pm J_GriffinB: @MishaPolonsky Nuttinatall, just warning in case there are children, religious fanatics or disapproving elders near your television. #UFChat
11:39 pm J_GriffinB: @curlyrbr May I ask what course of study you are pursuing? I like to have experts I can reach… #UFChat
11:40 pm MishaPolonsky: @J_GriffinB Gotcha. Thanks for the heads up. #UFchat
11:41 pm curlyrbr: @MishaPolonsky well, some have to be kept alive to breed, right? #ufchat
11:43 pm J_GriffinB: ‘Bout time fer me to git wannerin o’er ta da next perject. #UFChat
11:43 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr Oh, of course. Guess I meant whether any died at all or whether they were all kept alive and just fed on but never killed. #UFchat
11:45 pm curlyrbr: @MishaPolonsky Most diseases are under control by super-vaccines; some are kept as mates or “pets” #ufchat
11:46 pm J_GriffinB: I must remember to duck when I leave the room. #UFChat
11:48 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr That makes sense. Cool deal. It sounds like it’ll be a really great read. #UFchat
October 24, 2010
2:06 am hannahnpbowman: @AnassaRh I only follow your #ufchat posts, not the whole chat, but they have great ideas in them. 🙂 I should read the rest…
2:08 am hannahnpbowman: @AnassaRh Re: pregnancy, Thursday Next is pregnant in one of her books, which are kind of UF, maybe… #ufchat
3:06 am specficdb: @annikkawoods would love to know your take on the angels and how you kept out the religion (under @kimidreams) #ufchat
6:36 am AnassaRh: @hannahnpbowman Kind of, maybe, yes. Thursday’s too out there in terms of setting for me to count them. But point about pregnancy. #ufchat
6:58 am AnassaRh: #ufchat A11a: Senior MC challenges: Voice and health, both mentioned already, spring to mind. Also several generations of concerned kids.
7:00 am AnassaRh: Re: senior health: “There are vampires!” mistaken as senility; MC has to avoid the senior’s home; walker as weapon. #ufchat
7:00 am jolantru: RT @AnassaRh: #ufchat A11a: Senior MC challenges: Voice and health, both mentioned already, spring to mind. Also several generations of concerned kids.
7:00 am AnassaRh: @J_GriffinB Heh, glad we’re not the only ones! @UF_chat #ufchat
7:01 am AnassaRh: Throwing this out there, at random: Has anyone written Deaf or anorexic MCs? #ufchat
7:02 am AnassaRh: A11b: I almost think we get young MCs because they’re “easier”, more athletic, bounce back quicker. #ufchat
7:03 am jolantru: @AnassaRh I have a partially paralyzed character. #UFchat
7:03 am AnassaRh: I’ve seen a few books with MCs in their 30s, but nobody older than that. You’d think age = experience and greater bad-assery, no? #ufchat
7:04 am AnassaRh: Ooh, excellent! RT @jolantru: @AnassaRh I have a partially paralyzed character. #UFchat
7:05 am AnassaRh: A11c: The cynic in me wants to “marketing” but I also suspect it’s a case of pub industry being several years behind. #ufchat
7:05 am AnassaRh: In other words, they’re probably buying middle-aged MCs now, but we won’t see any till 2012. #ufchat
7:09 am AnassaRh: Q12: Challenges of “disabled” MC: Finding ways to work around inabilities. Realistic portrayal from able-bodied writers. #ufchat
7:12 am AnassaRh: A12: Potential of “disabled” MC: Really cool weapons disguised as living aids. Seeing Eye Familiar. Disability turned into positive. #ufchat
7:12 am jolantru: @AnassaRh And most of my characters are in their 30s. 😉 With kids. #UFchat
7:17 am AnassaRh: If #ufchat consensus re: minorities, accuracy, pet peeves indicative of desires of most UF readers, @jolantru‘s books will be bestsellers.
7:18 am AnassaRh: @jolantru Your books are sounding better and better? #ufchat
7:19 am jolantru: RT @AnassaRh: If #ufchat consensus re: minorities, accuracy, pet peeves indicative of desires of most UF readers, @jolantru‘s books will be bestsellers.
7:19 am jolantru: @AnassaRh Well, I hope so. But I write what I know – I want my story to be at least inclusive and real. #UFchat
7:21 am jolantru: @AnassaRh My main character is a mom, in her 30s. Mmm. With kids. Mmm. Her best friend is partially paralyzed/physically disabled. #UFchat
7:22 am AnassaRh: A12a: I don’t see being non-human as a disability. It’s all about isolation, feeling different?with bonus magic powers. #ufchat
7:23 am AnassaRh: @jolantru Inclusive and real are major selling points for me (and others, I suspect.) Love books that’re grounded in life like that. #ufchat
7:26 am AnassaRh: A12b: Disabilities = major physical disadvantage. Differences make you stand out. World not built for ppl who “don’t move right”, eg #ufchat
7:27 am AnassaRh: Another random thought: Have lower class/poor/homeless MCs been discussed? See lots of middle class women? #ufchat
7:29 am UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Most MCs seem to be scrounging for change, no matter what the background. True lower income heritage not so much tho. #ufchat
7:31 am AnassaRh: A12c: Disease can worsen; disabilities usually don’t. Disease saps strength differently, I think. #ufchat
7:32 am AnassaRh: A12c: Also, at some point disease can become disability. Chronic illnesses like MS, for instance. #ufchat
7:35 am AnassaRh: Blindness: See Daredevil, but more realistic. Honed senses, esp. to vibration. Possibly blind = able to see Beyond. #ufchat
7:36 am AnassaRh: Deafness: You’re not going to hear that siren/banshee, are you? Those vamps aren’t going to put you in thrall. #ufchat
7:38 am AnassaRh: Cerebral palsy: Paired with magic, could mean small movement, writ large. Jerk a finger, throw someone across the room. #ufchat
7:39 am AnassaRh: What if becoming supernatural didn’t cure you of human disabilities, and you’re still deaf, paralyzed, blind, etc? #ufchat
7:40 am AnassaRh: Or what if being supernatural meant your disabilities got exaggerated? Man with glasses ?> blind vamp. #ufchat
7:43 am AnassaRh: A12e: Definitely think exploring permanent injury would be cool. MC gets more and more beat up as the series goes on. #ufchat
7:44 am AnassaRh: Though now I’m reminded of Monty Python’s Black Knight: “It’s only a flesh wound!” #ufchat
7:45 am AnassaRh: On the subject of injured MCs, Kat Richardson’s gets a bum knee. Not much of a wound, compared to some, but? #ufchat
7:47 am MishaPolonsky: One of my fav. parts in that movie. RT @AnassaRh Though now I’m reminded of Monty Python’s Black Knight: “It’s only a flesh wound!” #ufchat
7:50 am AnassaRh: Okay, I think I’m talked out, unless anyone wants to respond to what I put out there. #ufchat
7:51 am MishaPolonsky: @AnassaRh W/ the permanent injury idea, every major wound/scar could tie to an important event in that series. Could be interesting. #UFchat
7:53 am AnassaRh: RT @MishaPolonsky: @AnassaRh W/ the permanent injury idea, every major wound/scar could tie to an important event in that series. Could be interesting. #UFchat
7:55 am AnassaRh: .@MishaPolonsky Or could store memory, or yield power? Touch the claw marks, get were powers for 2 hours? #ufchat
7:55 am AnassaRh: Or ? ooh! ooh! ? what about exploring phantom limb syndrome, in a literal sense? #ufchat
7:57 am MishaPolonsky: @AnassaRh Totally forgot to include the #UFchat in that last response. Oh well.
7:59 am AnassaRh: RT @MishaPolonsky: Activating powers? now that’s even more interesting.Could be opposite too – a curse.Touch claw marks, summon were #ufchat
8:00 am AnassaRh: @MishaPolonsky That’s a cool idea too. 🙂 Could run the risk of doing both at once, as well. #ufchat
8:02 am MishaPolonsky: @AnassaRh Perhaps the cursed wounds are the deepest & most hidden. The others are more visible and provide minor powers. #UFchat
11:35 am jolantru: RT @AnassaRh: @jolantru Inclusive and real are major selling points for me (and others, I suspect.) Love books that’re grounded in life like that. #ufchat
1:01 pm hannahnpbowman: @AnassaRh The thing about Thursday’s pregnancy is it has basically no effect on what she does. So it barely counts anyway. #ufchat
1:03 pm hannahnpbowman: @AnassaRh I agree! #ufchat
3:51 pm AnassaRh: @hannahnpbowman Yeah, that’s true. Half the time she’s unaware it’s there. #ufchat
October 25, 2010
4:38 am inkgypsy: @kimidreams Liked your write up in the last Talechasing on the new website! Will try to promote this week during & at #UFchat. 🙂
9:24 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat totally after the fact but here’s unique fantasy book w 13yr old MC + a teddy bear side kick. #ufchat http://amzn.to/cICbk6
11:22 pm inkgypsy: @JulieeJohnsonn The Hollow Chocolate Bunnies of the Apocalypse! Thx! #UFchat (Is reason I put up transcript later – to include late gold)
11:55 pm UF_Chat: Got a Halloween/haunted blog post going up urban fantasist’s will enjoy? Add #UFchat hashtag. I’ll collect & publish links on official blog!
11:55 pm inkgypsy: Got a Halloween/haunted blog post going up urban fantasist’s will enjoy? Add #UFchat hashtag. I’ll collect & publish links on official blog!
11:56 pm hashtager: # Got a Halloween/haunted blog post going up urban fantasist’s will enjoy? Add #UFchat hashtag. I’ll collect & publish links on offici…
11:58 pm ugbclub: RT @inkgypsy: Got a Halloween/haunted blog post going up urban fantasist’s will enjoy? Add #UFchat hashtag. I’ll collect & publish links on official blog!
October 26, 2010
2:03 am simonm223: Blogging the speculative Fiction Colloquium http://bit.ly/aPAiI5 #scifichat #writer #litchat #amwriting #wip #nanowrimo #ufchat #author
12:11 pm saskatoonauthor: The Walking Dead at Dark Central Station! Win copy of DEADTOWN or HELLFORGED by @nancyholzner http://tinyurl.com/33z2xnk #ufchat #scifichat
2:04 pm NancyHolzner: RT @saskatoonauthor: The Walking Dead at Dark Central Station! Win copy of DEADTOWN or HELLFORGED by @nancyholzner http://tinyurl.com/33z2xnk #ufchat #scifichat



Next week is Halloween weekend! Woot! And we’ll be chatting about Why We Need Monsters in Urban Fantasy & the Awesome that is Halloween (our favorite holiday! Right?) ;) :D

Remember – if you are posting a Halloween post on your blog that has anything to do with writing monsters or scary or urban fantasy this week, please add the #UFchat hashtag so we can all read, enjoy and help promote you!

Also feel free to add thoughts and resources during the week – both on Halloween and on Urban Fantasy – as you think them (and create awesome posts) or find them – again, just use the #UFchat hashtag so I can find them and add them to the discussion & transcript.

Stay tuned to @UF_Chat on Twitter for countdowns and updates and happy Halloween week!

See you next week – it’s Halloween weekend!!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)

Transcript for Aug 21, 2010: The UF & PNR Overlap with Special Guest Q&A with Patti O’Shea

What a fabulous discussion today! It was very busy but our multi-award winning and bestselling special guest author, Patti O’Shea, did an amazing job of keeping all the questions and answers straight.

Patti O’Shea is the author of the Light Warriors series, the Crimson City series, the Jarved Nine series and many other action paranormal romance/urban fantasy & futuristic books. Her books have won multiple awards including a Beacon Award on August 1st for “Edge of Dawn” winning Best Paranormal of 2010! Congratulations Patti! Her books have a wonderful mix of hard action, paranormal and passion.

Again, I’ve added a color coding to aid in reading the topic/question and answer flow and to point out announcements and resources:

YELLOW = official #UFchat statement and questions to be discussed (I left the discussion additions the same as everyone else’s) – this week I’ve also made participant questions Patti replies to YELLOW too. 🙂

PINK = Patti’s responses.

GREEN = #UFchat announcements

BLUE = resources (links, posts and essays relating to today’s topic)

Without further ado, here is the transcript from our chat on Saturday.

TOPIC: The UF/PNR overlap – what’s hot, what’s not, what’s the attraction for readers, for writers, what UF owes romance and more!

a special Q&A with Patti too!
9:48 pm snowppl: RT @inkgypsy: #UFchat Boot time! Going to need gloves today too. 15 mins till the UF vs PNR Q&A smackdown – w bestseller @Patti_OShea! Bring questions!
9:51 pm UF_Chat: Please don’t let Twitter be broken! We’ve got a smackdown happening in 10 minutes! & front row seats too.. #UFchat
9:52 pm Patti_OShea: #UFchat starts in 8 minutes. Brace yourselves!
9:54 pm MetaPhoenix: @Patti_OShea I love when followers need to be warned. So epic! #UFchat
9:55 pm kaitnolan: 545. It’s not great, but it’s words and it meets my minimum just in time for #UFchat Gonna feed the dogs and settle in for FUN!
9:55 pm Queryaddict: RT @UF_Chat: #UFchat Boot time! Going to need gloves today too. 15 mins till the UF vs PNR Q&A smackdown – w bestseller @Patti_OShea! Bring questions!
9:57 pm snowppl: I’m ready for #ufchat. If you’re not participating, you should. @rcmurphy needs to join us.
9:57 pm UF_Chat: Bother – my Tweetdeck backup isn’t cooperating. If there are delays – my apologies – it’s not me. It’s gremlins – seriously. #UFchat
9:57 pm Queryaddict: First time on #ufchat! Excited to see how things work around here 🙂
9:57 pm Patti_OShea: @MetaPhoenix heh. I’m good at epic tweets. I figure I’ll end up in Twitter jail before chat is over. #ufchat
9:57 pm Diane_Amy: I’m new to this chat. All settled in and ready to go! #UFchat
9:58 pm Cameron_Haley: #UFchat in 2.
9:58 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: I’m ready for my UF boys! #UFchat
9:58 pm UF_Chat: You heard the lady! (And her boots are serious pro editions!) RT @Patti_OShea: #UFchat starts in 8 minutes. Brace yourselves!
9:58 pm inkgypsy: You heard the lady! (And her boots are serious pro editions!) RT @Patti_OShea: #UFchat starts in 8 minutes. Brace yourselves!
9:58 pm 1hope1dream: *sneaks in and waves* I should be working on one of my WIPs. Instead I’ll come chat for a while. 😀 #UFchat
9:58 pm snowppl: @RCMurphy haha pssst *I’m a moderator* #justsayin #UFchat
9:59 pm marirandomities: RT @UF_Chat: You heard the lady! (And her boots are serious pro editions!) RT @Patti_OShea: #UFchat starts in 8 minutes. Brace yourselves!
9:59 pm Cameron_Haley: Hi, all! Nice to see all of you again. #UFchat
10:01 pm snowppl: @Cameron_Haley hi! 🙂 #UFchat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: 3, 2.. and we are LIVE for the #UFchat smackdown today! UF vs PNR (& where they overlap) Welcome! #UFchat
10:01 pm J_GriffinB: hopes no one can see him. Not looking his best. #ufchat
10:01 pm 1hope1dream: RT @inkgypsy: You heard the lady! (And her boots are serious pro editions!) RT @Patti_OShea: #UFchat starts in 8 minutes. Brace yourselves!
10:01 pm UF_Chat: TODAY: The Urban Fantasy (UF) & Paranormal Romance (PNR) overlap. What?s hot, what?s not, what they share, what they don?t. #UFchat
10:01 pm snowppl: @UF_Chat thanks 🙂 #UFchat
10:02 pm 1hope1dream: Wow…Alice finished right in time. #UFchat
10:02 pm jeremymcnabb: @J_GriffinB – Don’t worry. It’s #ufchat, not #ufvideochat
10:03 pm UF_Chat: Often meet writers who find selves writing PNR & then start reading. What?s the attraction for writers of PNR as opposed to readers? #UFchat
10:03 pm J_GriffinB: is no longer concerned, thanks to @jeremymcnabb #ufchat
10:04 pm snowppl: @jeremymcnabb thank goodness LOL i’m a mess too #ufchat #ufvideochat
10:04 pm UF_Chat: What writing conventions does urban fantasy owe to the romance influence? Or does it at all? – you tell me. 😉 #UFchat
10:04 pm kaitnolan: @UF_Chat It’s the best of both worlds–the otherworldly we love about UF but also the romance. #UFchat
10:05 pm Queryaddict: my understanding is any romance must have a happy ending, not so much with UF #ufchat

FROM @RCMurphy: @Queryaddict Not all romance has a happy ending. Para-romance simply follows the relationship #UFchat

10:05 pm editorialdept: I think a lot of people like to read a bit of romance – so much the merrier if it’s got paranormal characters. #ufchat
10:06 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Seems to me it’s all about the relationship and the travails of its maintenance or development. #ufchat
10:06 pm 1hope1dream: @UF_Chat Romance – or at least the pursuit of what they think of as romance – drives people, whether it leads to a happy end or not. #UFchat
10:06 pm elizabethkarr: @snowppl Can you plz send link to get in the room for #UFchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: So what do you see as difference between UF & PNR? Are they close relatives or actually different beasts sharing paranormal space? #UFchat
10:06 pm tasmin21: I don’t think UF & Romance conventions are alike. Romance would be romance, be it w/ humans or creatures. UF…not so much. #ufchat
10:06 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: From a booksellers’ perspective it’s a bugger. #UFChat
10:06 pm The_Sims_3: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch @1hope1dream Play Sims3 while taking part and watching Alice. #UFchat
10:07 pm J_GriffinB: And uf/para have boundless entities to bounce the romance between #ufchat
10:07 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr http://tweetchat.com/room/UFchat 🙂 #UFchat
10:07 pm snowppl: @elizabethkarr you are in #UFchat just search the hashtag and you’re there!
10:07 pm kaitnolan: PNR has more rigid and specific conventions to follow. Readers expect HEA or HFN and certain behavior of hero/heroine #UFchat
10:07 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch The ‘where do you shelve it’ question? #UFchat
10:07 pm jeremymcnabb: #UFchat and also, UF might focus more on unique pairings as opposed to workable romances in PNR
10:08 pm J_GriffinB: @elizabethkarr http://tweetchat.com/room/ufchat #ufchat
10:08 pm editorialdept: major diff is UF doesn’t NEED a romantic element. It’s not integral to the genre. Likewise, romantic elements doesn’t = pure romance #ufchat
10:08 pm elizabethkarr: @UF_Chat Thanx 4 link. First time here. Will mostly listen. #UFchat
10:08 pm UF_Chat: @kaitnolan What certain behavior as opposed to a UF relationship? (helping to define the differences here) #UFchat
10:08 pm kaitnolan: @jeremymcnabb Disagree. We LOVE our impossible relationships in PNR. #UFchat
10:08 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @kaitnolan HEA? HFN? #UFchat

FROM @RCMurphy: @Ben_Aaronovitch Happily ever after… #UFchat

10:09 pm snowppl: @UF_Chat how do I not know these link things. I suppose @nambu spoils me #UFchat
10:09 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr Glad to see you! It’ll be a fun one – Patti’s here in just 5 mins to drill, er, Q&A with 😉 #UFchat
10:09 pm pauljessup: @UF_Chat Diff. beasts. Most def. Urban Fantasy come from noir and horror. PR is more Rom centric #UFchat
10:09 pm kaitnolan: @UF_Chat As in with PNR hero and heroine CAN’T hook up w/ someone else. No cheating. Relationship type rules. #UFchat

FROM @RCMurphy: @kaitnolan Whereas UF is more overcoming outside influences…. Man I am blurring lines right & left in my work. lol #UFchat

10:09 pm editorialdept: It’s possible to have a romantic subplot w/out being bound by convention of happily ever after in UF (and PNR, too?) #ufchat
10:09 pm kaitnolan: @Ben_Aaronovitch Happily ever after or Happily for now. #UFchat
10:09 pm jeremymcnabb: @kaitnolan Haha, but do you love them for the pairing, or for the complicated romance itself? #UFchat
10:09 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Happily Ever After. Happily For Now. #UFchat
10:09 pm ellestonewrites: Happily Ever After/ Happy For now #ufchat
10:10 pm jimnduncan: Is there any significant differences beyond the HEA? Certainly a fair amount of romance in UF. #ufchat
10:10 pm UF_Chat: @kaitnolan So are there more ‘true’ love triangles in UF than PNR then do you think? #UFchat
10:10 pm kaitnolan: @jeremymcnabb Both. Romance is all about overcoming hardships in the name of love. #UFchat
10:10 pm kaitnolan: @jimnduncan I think the lines are blurred a lot more now than they used to be. #UFchat
10:10 pm UF_Chat: @jimnduncan UF doesn’t require any romance – it has more now than ever due to romance readers influence – they’re the big buyers. #UFchat
10:11 pm MetaPhoenix: Does anyone consider urban science fiction or SF romance to be under the same umbrella as UF and PNR? #UFchat
10:11 pm Cameron_Haley: In romance, is the protagonist’s story goal always a relationship with the love interest? I don’t actually know. #UFchat
10:11 pm jeremymcnabb: @kaitnolan Like it. Thanks! #UFchat
10:11 pm J_GriffinB: Some of the tropes are overdone, or at least over-exposed. #ufchat
10:11 pm UF_Chat: Q: What are some books that you think blur the line between Urban Fantasy & Paranormal Romance? #UFchat

FROM @RCMurphy: @UF_Chat The Anita Blake series started out UF and became PNR. #UFchat

10:11 pm kaitnolan: @UF_Chat I think UF tends to have more series where it’s not settled in 1 book. PNR tends to have a resolution of some kind #UFchat
10:11 pm 1hope1dream: @pauljessup I sort of agree with you here. Noir/horror – yes. Also darker, grittier life w/o the touch of classic (gothic) horror. #UFchat
10:11 pm elizabethkarr: Does the HFN imply a sequel in the offing? #UFchat
10:11 pm Cameron_Haley: Is the love triangle a romance convention? #UFchat
10:12 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @kaitnolan #UFchat The motive for the struggle is what makes the difference.
10:12 pm jimnduncan: Well, PNR has or should have more focus on the romantic relationship. UF I think focuses more on the paranormal world they’re in #ufchat
10:12 pm J_GriffinB: @Cameron_Haley I would say it is a literary convention. #ufchat
10:12 pm kaitnolan: @elizabethkarr Well not every book can properly end with wedding bells implied (traditional HEA), hence the HFN #UFchat
10:12 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr Not necessarily though it’s an oft used way of getting to the next one. bittersweet endings are common in UF. #UFchat
10:12 pm kaitnolan: @jimnduncan I think both had best pay attention to the world, otherwise the setting suffers. #UFchat
10:12 pm jeremymcnabb: @jimnduncan #UFchat world-building VS relationship-building
10:13 pm elizabethkarr: As reader, it’s real pleasure 2 follow characters on diff journeys in subsequent books. 1 of the allures of Grafton and Cornwell #UFchat
10:13 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Buy my book PNR people it’s got some…romance-ish in it. #UFchat
10:13 pm UF_Chat: @jimnduncan UF does tend to be more plot based – mystery, crime, ticking clock etc – the story is done that that’s solved. #UFchat
10:13 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Give us your twitter pitch. #UFchat
10:14 pm J_GriffinB: @kaitnolan Excellent point. #ufchat
10:14 pm kaitnolan: @UF_Chat Lines are seriously blurring w/ that though. More and more the thing that drives the relationship is circumstance in PNR #UFchat
10:14 pm elizabethkarr: @UF_Chat @kaitnolan Of course. 🙂 First time I’m hearing the term HFN and I like it. Life imitating art. That whole thing. #UFchat
10:14 pm UF_Chat: Do we have @Patti_OShea in the house? #UFchat
10:14 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Harry Potter joins the sweeney. #UFChat
10:15 pm Cameron_Haley: Is it a problem that the lines between PNR and UF are becoming blurred? Or is it a good thing? #UFchat

FROM @RCMurphy: @Cameron_Haley I see it as a good thing. Romance is a very large market. #UFchat

10:15 pm inkgypsy: RT @tasmin21: @Cameron_Haley It’s a very fine line, in a lot of cases./#UFchat
10:15 pm J_GriffinB: @jeremymcnabb heh. #ufchat
10:15 pm Patti_OShea: @UF_Chat I’m here. #ufchat
10:15 pm kaitnolan: @Cameron_Haley That seems to depend on the reader. I love both. Some prefer very specific conventions #UFchat
10:16 pm J_GriffinB: @Patti_OShea Hail! #ufchat
10:16 pm snowppl: @Patti_OShea welcome! 🙂 #ufchat
10:16 pm UF_Chat: Time to welcome special guest @Patti_OShea! Pls hold Q’s for her till near end when have open Q’s. Discussion during welcome. #UFchat
10:16 pm UF_Chat: Delighted to welcome @Patti_OShea, bestselling author of action/adv/PNR as special guest for Q&A! Thx for taking Q’s today Patti! #UFchat
10:16 pm thedaisyharris: Hi. #UFchat
10:16 pm UF_Chat: Patti?s latest ?paranormal action romance? is ?In the Darkest Night? & features ?equal parts passion & horror blend?! (review quote) #UFchat
10:17 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @Cameron_Haley I think you can become fixated on genre distinctions, best to write first label second. #UFchat
10:17 pm UF_Chat: Her ?Edge of Dawn? also just won the 2010 Beacon Award for BEST PARANORMAL! Congrats @Patti_OShea! #UFchat
10:17 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Lot of questions! Let?s see how many we get through. ? (Note S = statement followed by related Q & Q= question) #UFchat
10:17 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Hello Patti. #UFchat
10:17 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q1: What came first for you? Were you drawn primarily to romance or the paranormal? #UFchat
10:18 pm thedragongem: I prefer UF. I tend to skip over the romance scenes in most books. #UFchat
10:18 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Agree – write first – market 2nd – adjust then IF necessary. 😉 #UFchat
10:18 pm 1hope1dream: @Ben_Aaronovitch I agree with you on this one, Ben. Write what you want. Figure out the genre later. #UFchat
10:18 pm Patti_OShea: That’s a chicken/egg question. 🙂 I remember reading books on astrology and other stuff like this in grade school, but I also #ufchat
10:18 pm MetaPhoenix: What adjustments should be made to attract more male readers to PNR? #UFchat
10:18 pm Patti_OShea: remember when I played dolls, Barbie and Ken had a hot romance going on. 🙂 I’ll have to plead having an interest #ufchat
10:18 pm Saffy: Surely UF is a setting/back drop where as PNR is plot? It’s the whole thorny issue of what is Genre again :/ Oh and hello! #UFchat
10:18 pm rixshep: @inkgypsy @tasmin21 @Cameron_Haley IMO, lines getting more blurred between uf, cf, pnr, etc. Only a problem IF confuses readers. #UFchat
10:18 pm Patti_OShea: in both from a young age. #ufchat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: We are just welcoming @Patti_OShea to the ring, er, floor. Please welcome her!#UFchat

FROM @RCMurphy: @UF_Chat You were right with ring. It’s a circus today! #UFchat

10:19 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q2: What were some early influences on a) your overall writing and b) your specific blend of action/adv PNR? #UFchat
10:19 pm kaitnolan: @Patti_OShea Welcome! And congrats on the Beacon! #UFchat
10:19 pm rixshep: #UFchat Other than confusion to potential new readers, it is ALL fantasy, so is, again imo, a good thing! 8-D
10:19 pm mark_henry: #UFchat Hey y’all!
10:20 pm Cameron_Haley: @Ben_Aaronovitch I agree, but I also don’t want folks like Kari’s hubby to pass by my book cause he thinks it’s too romance centric. #UFchat

FROM @RCMurphy: @Cameron_Haley Guns. That’s the secret. If there is enough action in the romance men won’t notice the romance. #UFchat

10:20 pm jimnduncan: Hey Mark! #ufchat
10:20 pm Patti_OShea: @kaitnolan thank you! #ufchat
10:20 pm Patti_OShea: It’s hard to cite specific influences on my writing because I’ve read voraciously my entire life. Some of my favorite authors #ufchat
10:20 pm UF_Chat: @mark_henry *waves* Patti just stepped into the ring… #UFchat
10:20 pm thedragongem: RT @Saffy: Surely UF is a setting/back drop where as PNR is plot? Its the whole thorny issue of what is Genre again :/ Oh and hello! #UFchat
10:20 pm kaitnolan: @Cameron_Haley Ultimately LIFE is about relationships, so I don’t know why they get all kerfluffled about it. #UFchat
10:20 pm Patti_OShea: It’s hard to cite specific influences on my writing because I’ve read voraciously my entire life. Some of my favorite authors are Linda Howard, Jayne Ann Krentz, and Nora Roberts among many, many others. #ufchat
10:20 pm elizabethkarr: Welcome~v interested peer behind the curtain of your book and writing process. #UFchat
10:20 pm tasmin21: Hi, Mark! #ufchat
10:20 pm Patti_OShea: I think movies are behind my love of action/adv rom because until this decade, most books didn’t have a whole lot of action. #ufchat
10:20 pm rixshep: rt @UF_Chat We r just welcoming @Patti_OShea to the ring, er, floor. Please welcome her! #UFchat / Howdy ma’am! #ufchat
10:21 pm Patti_OShea: At least not what I was finding to read. Hollywood, tho, is filled with movies brimming with action and enough romance to #ufchat
10:21 pm Cameron_Haley: Point being, genres and categories *do* have a role to play. We want our readers to know what to expect. #UFchat
10:21 pm Patti_OShea: keep me watching. #ufchat
10:22 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Can you give us some (Hollywood) examples? (I know the Execs LOVE a romance B plot at the least!) #UFchat
10:22 pm mark_henry: @UF_Chat Awesome. Just hangin’ out. Don’t mind me. #UFchat
10:22 pm elizabethkarr: Often find that great writers are also big readers. Makes sense. #UFchat
10:22 pm MetaPhoenix: Auel’s novel The Valley of Horses is a good example of a romance book that male readers enjoy, though it’s more historical than PN. #UFchat

FROM @RCMurphy: @MetaPhoenix Sherrilyn Kenyon’s books are very action based yet are based entirely around the romance. She has tons of male readers #UFchat

10:23 pm elizabethkarr: @Patti_OShea Interesting so the screenply format influenced your writing style. If I understand you correctly. #UFchat
10:23 pm Patti_OShea: I love “Speed” and consider it my favorite romance movie. Also, if Terminator hadn’t had Kyle die, I’d call that a romance, too. #ufchat

FROM @RCMurphy: @Patti_OShea I think I like you so much more now. Action in a romance makes it easier for me to read. #UFchat

10:23 pm rixshep: rt @editorialdept @Ben_Aaronovitch @Cameron_Haley Can get fixated on genre distinctions, write 1st label 2nd #ufchat / Yes plz! More! 😉

FROM @RCMurphy: @rixshep Happily ever after/happy for now #UFchat

10:23 pm kaitnolan: @MetaPhoenix I would not at ALL class that as a romance. #UFchat
10:23 pm UF_Chat: @MetaPhoenix Do you think that’s because it’s both explicit & fact heavy or something else? #UFchat
10:23 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q3: Could you please define the difference for us between Paranormal Romance & Urban Fantasy? #UFchat
10:23 pm kaitnolan: @Patti_OShea You totally need to meet my CP. She had me watch Terminator for the romance plot. #UFchat
10:23 pm Patti_OShea: To me, the difference is focus. In PNR, the focus is on the couple and their developing relationship. There’s one hero, one heroine. #ufchat
10:24 pm Patti_OShea: In UF, the focus is on one character, often the heroine, and the world she inhabits. If there’s a romance, it’s usually secondary. #ufchat
10:24 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat both #ufchat
10:24 pm Saffy: @MetaPhoenix *cough* sex scenes! Graphic at least for teenagers #UFchat
10:24 pm mark_henry: What do you think about the “new” sub genre of UF Romance? Does it just cloud the issue further? #UFchat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: @kaitnolan Interesting – maybe guy’s idea of a romance? Jondalar (sp?) is a romantic charac but agree – not Ro by my definition. #UFchat
10:24 pm MetaPhoenix: @Patti_OShea Those films do mix adrenaline and romance almost perfectly. #UFchat
10:25 pm AGypsyLove: @MetaPhoenix I think I’d consider Auel’s books romance on a level. It’s hard to narrow them down bc so much going on. #UFchat
10:25 pm kaitnolan: @Saffy Yeah my 9th grade english teacher considered it p0rn #UFchat
10:25 pm MetaPhoenix: I GTG. Been fun. #Ufchat
10:25 pm elizabethkarr: @Patti_OShea So UF is more based in reality. That’s how I see it, too. Less escapism fantasy (which is a good thing 2) #UFchat
10:25 pm UF_Chat: @mark_henry Good glory – there’s a ‘new’ sub-genre of UF Romance? Can you comment on that @Patti_OShea? #UFchat
10:26 pm 1hope1dream: @kaitnolan My mother did too and she about had a heart attack when she caught me reading Auel’s books. #UFchat
10:26 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Avoid Bridge to terebithia film trailer effect – OK that came out weird. #UFchat
10:26 pm rixshep: rt @UF_Chat @Ben_Aaronovitch Agree – write first – market 2nd – adjust then IF necessary. 😉 #UFchat
10:26 pm ladytechie: @Patti_OShea #UFChat Do you think that the PNR handles sex differently than UF, i.e., explicitness?
10:26 pm J_GriffinB: Pillars of the Earth appears, when a woman tells you about it, to be an historical romance. #ufchat
10:26 pm kaitnolan: @1hope1dream I picked it up thinking it was a horse story. Loved Walter Farley and Margurite Henry. #libraryfail #UFchat
10:27 pm Saffy: @kaitnolan Me and hubby turned out to have both read them whilst really being a bit young :/ #UFchat
10:27 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q3a: So PNR & UF actually have completely different roots & overlap in the addition of paranormal. Is that right? #UFchat
10:27 pm Patti_OShea: @elizabethkarr TBH, I don’t see much difference in “reality” between UF and PNR. Both tell fantastical stories. #ufchat
10:27 pm LaylaMessner: @mark_henry Is there a new subgenre of UF romance?? (Just got here. Hi everyone.) #UFChat
10:27 pm mark_henry: Some authors have definitely tried to push for that monicker. #ufromance #UFchat
10:27 pm 1hope1dream: @elizabethkarr PNR and UF follow the same ‘reality’, as far as I can tell. They just tend to follow different paths. #UFchat
10:27 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea – see you just got a bunch of questions. I’ll wait a bit. 😉 #UFchat
10:27 pm Carolyn_Haven: RT @Patti_OShea: In UF, the focus is on one character, often the heroine, and the world she inhabits. If there’s a romance, it’s usually secondary. #ufchat
10:28 pm Patti_OShea: Tweet chat is moving fast and I’m missing questions. If I don’t answer, please repeat. #ufchat
10:28 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Make sure your work isn’t marketed under the wrong lable – is what I meant. #UFchat
10:28 pm 1hope1dream: @kaitnolan I saw the movie “Clan of the Cave Bear” at a friend’s house and got dragged into reading the books. #UFchat
10:28 pm jimnduncan: So what do you call a paranormal series with a multi-book romance arc? Is that UF or PNR? #ufchat

FROM PATTI: @jimnduncan If the focus is on the couple, then I’d call it PNR. If the romance is secondary, I’d label it UF.

10:28 pm Cameron_Haley: Yeah, I think the distinction is in what the stories are *about* rather than quantity of reality! 🙂 #UFchat
10:28 pm KevinHearne: Jumping in and it’s all @mark_henry‘s fault. I’ve heard of paranormal romance, but not UF romance. Why are authors pushing for it? #UFChat
10:28 pm UF_Chat: @mark_henry Interesting – wondering what they thought wasn’t being met by the PNR label. #UFchat
10:28 pm Patti_OShea: I think UF and PNR are 2 pts on the same line. It’s just a matter of where btwn those pts a book falls. #ufchat
10:29 pm kaitnolan: @Saffy Ooops 😀 #UFchat
10:29 pm LaylaMessner: @mark_henry Just wondering, cause that’s what I’m writing, but I didn’t know it was considered a subgenre. #UFromance #UFChat
10:29 pm Queryaddict: @KevinHearne I’d bet so they can do a cross genre marketing, more readers to interest your book if it covers more ground #ufchat
10:29 pm UF_Chat: @jimnduncan That question is coming but let’s see if @Patti_OShea caught yours. #UFchat
10:29 pm rixshep: rt @Cameron_Haley Point being, genres & categories *do* have role to play. We want readers to know what to expect. #UFchat / Indeed!
10:29 pm Cameron_Haley: @UF_Chat Presumably, a UF can focus strongly on romantic relationship while still not following romance conventions e.g. HEA/HFN. #UFchat
10:29 pm Patti_OShea: With more UF writers moving toward PNR and more PNR writers moving toward UF, the blurring is substantial. #ufchat
10:29 pm jadettepaige: You sound like me @Patti_OShea remember when I played dolls, Barbie and Ken had a hot romance going on #ufchat
10:29 pm elizabethkarr: @Patti_OShea @1hope1dreamWhat I meant is that UF has a wider lens on the character than a narrower focus on romance.Hence more’real’ #UFchat
10:29 pm byharryconnolly: I suspect the diff between PNR and UFRomance is the comfort level of the author. #UFchat Hi, folks!
10:30 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q4: Is that why so many people lump them together? Are there really books that ?blend? the two sub-genres? #UFchat
10:30 pm ladytechie: Do you think that shelving a book in Romance affects its sales in either direction? #UFChat
10:30 pm J_GriffinB: @elizabethkarr hear! hear! #ufchat
10:30 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q4a: Could you give a examples of a successful plot blend? #UFchat
10:30 pm 1hope1dream: @elizabethkarr *nods* That makes sense. #UFchat
10:31 pm kaitnolan: @ladytechie I would think it would turn off men. They’re weird about that. #UFchat
10:31 pm Saffy: @Cameron_Haley What do those acronyms stand for? #UFchat
10:31 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @ladytechie Did in my branch. #UFChat
10:31 pm UF_Chat: @ladytechie Yes – hard to lose on sales if you get shelved in romance – they’re xlnt buyers BUT does mislead other readers. #UFchat
10:31 pm J_GriffinB: RT @Patti_OShea If the focus is on the couple, then Id call it PNR. If the romance is secondary, Id label it UF.<– That’s accurate #ufchat
10:32 pm Patti_OShea: @UF_Chat Yikes! I think the Crimson City series did a pretty good blend (I wrote book 3) of UF and PNR. They came out in 2005 #ufchat
10:32 pm 1hope1dream: @ladytechie More of my HC romance friends have branched into general fantasy and sci fi now that there are more genre based romances #UFchat
10:32 pm rixshep: rt @Patti_OShea With more UF writers moving toward PNR and more PNR writers moving toward UF, the blurring is substantial. #ufchat / Heh!
10:32 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q5: Your books are high on action, not just straight PNR. Do you find that blurs the lines for readers even more? #UFchat
10:32 pm jadettepaige: Yes. That was a big disappointment. @Patti_OShea Also, if Terminator hadn’t had Kyle die, I’d call that a romance, too. #ufchat
10:32 pm Saffy: @kaitnolan @ladytechie Not just men – I don’t go to romance sections – only started reading it as accidently wrote chicklit :/ #UFchat
10:33 pm jimnduncan: I’d expect there are UF readers who never leave the fantasy shelves and never see the romance shelves and vice verse. #ufchat
10:33 pm KevinHearne: What @kaitnolan said?I’m not picking up a book called UF Romance or PNR. (Not writing them either.) 😉 #UFChat
10:33 pm rixshep: @Cameron_Haley Scuse my ignorance of all the terms: hea/hfn? #ufchat
10:33 pm 1hope1dream: RT @Patti_OShea With more UF writers moving toward PNR and more PNR writers moving toward UF, the blurring is substantial. Agreed. #UFchat
10:33 pm Patti_OShea: Yes, I believe it does. I’ve had some romance readers say I don’t write romance, that I write action/adventure fiction. #ufchat
10:33 pm Patti_OShea: To me, my books *are* without question romances. The hero and heroine usually work together and everything that happens #ufchat is about them changing and growing enough to open up to a lifelong relationship. So what if they’re standing back to back and #ufchat
10:33 pm Cameron_Haley: @rixshep hey, I just learned them here! Happily Ever After/Happy for Now #UFchat
10:34 pm kaitnolan: @Saffy Romance is unfairly stigmatized. It’s not as formulaic as it was in the 80s #UFchat
10:34 pm annettepedersen: RT @kaitnolan: I enjoy a story more if it focuses on relationships–not necessarily romantic ones. Action doesn’t happen in an emotional vacuum. #UFchat
10:34 pm Patti_OShea: fighting evil while they’re falling in love? 🙂 #ufchat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea re Kyle (& maybe Crouching Tiger) – is there such a thing as tragic romance? Love declared/returned but death steps in? #UFchat
10:35 pm kaitnolan: @Patti_OShea Which is exactly why I love the blur!!! It kicks ass! #UFchat
10:35 pm 1hope1dream: @Patti_OShea It’s that kind of ‘romance’ I like. The classic formulaic version irritates me for some reason. #UFchat
10:35 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat Hell, I think the entire Highlander franchise was based around tragic love. #ufchat
10:35 pm Saffy: @kaitnolan Unfortunatly the ones I’ve managed to pick up so far have been exactly what I feared :/ I’m still trying though #UFchat
10:35 pm kaitnolan: @1hope1dream Because a lot of old romance has weak heroines. Modern heroines kick butt. #UFchat
10:36 pm Patti_OShea: @UF_Chat No, to be Romance as in the genre, it must have some kind of happy ending. A main character dying would make it a romantic #ufchat story, but not a Romance #ufchat
10:36 pm elizabethkarr: Online burst of reviewing books helped blur genre lines. Crosstalk exposes peeps to books from sections in bookstore prev ignored. #UFchat
10:36 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Seems a lot of Asian cultures corner the market on that – & Shakespeare of course (Romeo/Juliet). #UFchat
10:36 pm rixshep: @Cameron_Haley Ah, cool! Thanks! 😉 #ufchat
10:36 pm Cameron_Haley: And Dracula! RT @tasmin21: @UF_Chat Hell, I think the entire Highlander franchise was based around tragic love. #UFchat
10:36 pm kaitnolan: @elizabethkarr I love that about the internet. #UFchat
10:36 pm J_GriffinB: RT @Patti_OShea: story, but not a Romance<— I have a lot to learn on the genre front. #ufchat
10:36 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Ah – guessing marketing detail important because romance readers NEED the happy resolution? #UFchat
10:37 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q6: What is it about the paranormal that you love? What are ur favorite ways to add a paranormal element to your books? #UFchat
10:37 pm kaitnolan: @UF_Chat We get kinda crabby if we pick it up expecting a happy resolution and don’t get it w/ no indication of sequel #UFchat
10:37 pm Patti_OShea: @UF_Chat Romance readers will be majorly pissed off if they buy something labeled Romance and the hero or heroine dies. #ufchat
10:37 pm elizabethkarr: @kaitnolan I love that about the internet. < Me, too. Opens lots of new doors & windows. #UFchat
10:37 pm 1hope1dream: @kaitnolan That’s the truth. I’ve read a few modern romances where I liked the heroines. #UFchat
10:38 pm editorialdept: I see a lot of readers being open to crossing genre lines. They appreciate a good story even if it’s outside usual comfort zone. #ufchat
10:38 pm Patti_OShea: @UF_Chat If I pick up fantasy or mystery or SF, I don’t expect there to have to be a happy ending, but Romance. Yes. #ufchat
10:38 pm UF_Chat: Note to #UFchat people: romantic stories and the Romance genre are NOT the same thing. (could be why we get confused) #UFchat
10:38 pm Saffy: @ladytechie The library where I grew up didn’t even have seperate sections for Scifi, horror and fantasy so everything was together #UFchat
10:39 pm Patti_OShea: I love the possibilities of the paranormal. Anything can happen. I also like the fact that the society can be set up in a way that #ufchat
really leaves the hero and/or heroine in a torturous situation. I love to torture my characters. An example would be in my #ufchat
10:39 pm kaitnolan: RT @Patti_OShea: @UF_Chat Rom readers will be pissed off if they buy something labeled Rom & the hero or heroine dies. #wallthumper #UFchat
10:39 pm Patti_OShea: book, EDGE OF DAWN where I have the hero torn between his people and the heroine. He’s in a position where he has to betray #ufchat
10:39 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q7: How do you feel having a paranormal element affects a relationship or romance? #UFchat
10:39 pm Patti_OShea: one or the other, and I don’t think I could get that level of intensity for him and his decision in a regular contemporary world. #ufchat
10:39 pm elizabethkarr: @editorialdept Agree readers open 2 crossing genre lines. Publishers and Studio execs less so. 🙂 We need2 educate them hybrids good #UFchat
10:39 pm Patti_OShea: For me, the paranormal element needs to be organic to the story. If I have to work out how to put it in, then maybe the idea isn’t #ufchat
supposed to be paranormal. And in the PNR I’ve written, the characters have all been something. Half demon, demon, magic users, #ufchat
10:39 pm Saffy: @UF_Chat Ok explain – I can see romatic stories can be within larger story arcs #UFchat
10:39 pm 1hope1dream: @Saffy Same with my libraries. I’ve read from every genre out there, and many of the mixed genre books too. #UFchat
10:39 pm Patti_OShea: vampires. When something is part of the DNA, I don’t have to worry about bringing it in, it’s already there. #ufchat
10:40 pm J_GriffinB: @Patti_OShea I get that, but I hadn’t ben aware of the cold distinction between romance and genres that have an element of romance. #ufchat
10:40 pm Patti_OShea: An author can really go any direction with the paranormal and the romance. It can bring the h/h closer, drive them apart, #ufchat
10:40 pm editorialdept: @elizabethkarr hopefully consumer demand will start to change marketer’s minds re: hybrids #ufchat
10:40 pm Patti_OShea: or not have any impact on them. #ufchat
10:40 pm Patti_OShea: In Crimson Veil, I played it two ways–drawing the h/h together and keeping them apart. The h/h are both half demon and half human, #ufchat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q8: Why do you think combining the paranormal & a relationship (or 2) in stories is so popular? What?s the attraction? #UFchat
10:40 pm rixshep: I prefer sf & pure or contemporary fantasy. But can enjoy well written romance in ’em too. ALL (+ uf/pnr) reflects power of myth! #ufchat
10:40 pm Patti_OShea: but while the heroine has embraced her demon half, the hero abhors all demons–even the part of him that is demon. #ufchat
10:41 pm Patti_OShea: So of course they have a bond between them that goes beyond being soul mates. He’s drawn to her wants her more than #ufchat
10:41 pm Patti_OShea: he’s ever wanted any female, but he fights it. Because she’s half demon. And because when he’s with her, the demon part of him #ufchat
10:41 pm Patti_OShea: comes out more strongly. But with IN THE DARKEST NIGHT, the paranormal elements (the hero being a magic-wielding troubleshooter) #ufchat
10:41 pm Patti_OShea: really didn’t play much of a role in the romance. It was why the h/h are together and it played a role in individual growth for both #ufchat
10:41 pm Patti_OShea: characters, but I didn’t see it as affecting their romance very much. #ufchat
10:41 pm LaylaMessner: RT @Patti_OShea: but while the heroine has embraced her demon half, the hero abhors all demons–even the part of him that is demon. #UFChat
10:42 pm Patti_OShea: I’m not sure. Maybe as the real world becomes more and more stressful, people want their fiction to take them farther away #ufchat
10:42 pm J_GriffinB: @Patti_OShea internal conflicts with external effects #ufchat
10:42 pm elizabethkarr: @Patti_OShea H/H always need strong obstacle to overcome and paranormal can be that new challenge, maybe 1 not seen before. #UFchat
10:42 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q9: PNR & UF have remained ?hot? long past many predictions. Why do you think that is? Why in this age? #UFchat
10:42 pm Patti_OShea: from reality and paranormal does this. And in a romance, you know that the hero and heroine aren’t going to die during the #ufchat
10:42 pm Patti_OShea: course of the story, that at the end you as a reader are going to feel good. #ufchat
10:42 pm kaitnolan: RT @Patti_OShea: but while the heroine has embraced her demon half, the hero abhors all demons–We love our impossible relationships #UFchat
10:42 pm Patti_OShea: Again, I really think it has to do with the world we live in right now. It can be a scary place. In UF and PNR, the monsters are #ufchat
10:42 pm jadettepaige: @Patti_OShea do you think Laura Croft movies helped move UF higher in awareness with the public? #UFchat
10:42 pm Patti_OShea: generally easy to find because they actually might be monsters. 🙂 The real world is filled with shades of gray and PNR/UF #ufchat tend to be more defined–good versus evil. #ufchat
10:43 pm elizabethkarr: @editorialdept @elizabethkarr hopefully consumer demand will start to change marketer’s minds re: hybrids< See it happening already #UFchat
10:43 pm Saffy: @1hope1dream I actually prefer cross genre :/ #UFchat
10:43 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea S: Romance is one of most ?put down? genres yet also has most prolific, adventurous (outside of genre) & loyal readers. #UFchat
10:43 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea S: Romance readers discovering PNR cross-over is big reason UF took off so no wonder UF covers lean twd romance. #UFchat
10:43 pm Patti_OShea: @jadettepaige I think so. Same with the Buffy TV show. #ufchat
10:44 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q10: People break covers down PNR= woman facing away UF= woman looking at reader. Is generalization accurate? Thoughts? #UFchat
10:44 pm 1hope1dream: @Patti_OShea Impossible relationships are fun to write about. #UFchat
10:44 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q10a: Speculation is typical covers are more a ‘code’ for loyal readers than marketing to potential ones. Thoughts? #UFchat
10:44 pm 1hope1dream: @Saffy Let’s put it this way…if it’s got fantasy or sci fi elements (no matter what else it has) I’ll at least give it a shot. #UFchat
10:44 pm editorialdept: RT @UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea S: Romance is one of most ?put down? genres yet also has most prolific, outside of genre & loyal readers. #ufchat
10:44 pm Patti_OShea: My PNR covers have always had both the h/h on the front. I’ve also seen a lot–really, really a lot–of PNR covers with just #ufchat
10:44 pm rixshep: rt @Patti_OShea Maybe as real world becomes more stressful, ppl want fiction to take them farther away #ufchat / Escapism IS NOT bad thing!
10:44 pm kaitnolan: @UF_Chat That’s certainly not the case with my covers. I write PNR and my heroines look @ reader. Heroes look away. #UFchat
10:44 pm elizabethkarr: @Patti_OShea “The real world is filled with shades of gray ” < love this. And ironically that what makes it more colorful. #UFchat
10:45 pm Saffy: OK probably really dim question here but what is the difference between UF and Magic Realism? #UFchat
10:45 pm Patti_OShea: facing away. If I had to generalize, I would have said PNR has the hero on the cover (Half dressed) and UF has the heroine. #ufchat
10:45 pm ladytechie: @UF_Chat Indie manager told me 3 weeks ago that men’s backs are the new thing in PNR covers. I did not realize there was a trend #UFChat.

FROM @RCMurphy:

@ladytechie J.R. Ward uses a lot of male backs for her Black Dagger Brotherhood covers. #UFchat

10:46 pm elizabethkarr: @rixshep Maybe as real world becomes more stressful, ppl want fiction to take them farther away< You’re onto something there. #UFchat
10:46 pm LaylaMessner: RT @Patti_OShea: If I had to generalize, I would have said PNR has the hero on the cover (Half dressed) and UF has the heroine. #UFChat
10:46 pm jeremymcnabb: @UF_Chat Briggs’ Mercedes Thompson series alternates between “toward” and “away” #UFchat
10:46 pm UF_Chat: @Saffy That’s another thin line – more to do with marketing – plus many types of UF. literary UF has lots in common with MagicRealsm #UFchat
10:46 pm editorialdept: @Saffy Magical realism tends to be much more “reality” w/ magic sprinkled on top. UF is bold in focus on fantasy elements #ufchat
10:46 pm jadettepaige: Which is why I love Romance. @Patti_OShea And in a romance, you know that the hero and heroine aren’t going to die during the #ufchat
10:46 pm Patti_OShea: If I missed any questions, please re-ask it. #ufchat
10:46 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea S: PNR is also often credited w bridging gap for guys to read romance. #UFchat
10:47 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q11: Why do you think that is? #UFchat
10:47 pm LaylaMessner: RT @jadettepaige: in a romance, you know that the hero and heroine arent going to die during the #UFChat
10:47 pm Patti_OShea: My theory is that a lot of guys wouldn’t be caught dead in the romance section, 🙂 but the fantasy section is A-OK. So they picked #ufchat
10:47 pm Patti_OShea: up UF, discovered women writers are good, went looking for more books like UF and ended up with some PNR. I’ve had some #ufchat
10:48 pm rixshep: RT @editorialdept: @elizabethkarr hopefully consumer demand will start to change marketer’s minds re: hybrids #ufchat
10:48 pm Patti_OShea: bookstores put my books in the fantasy section and I’ve heard from male readers who found my books there and liked them. #ufchat
10:48 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea S: Also clear Romance readers have influenced writing relationships in UF, especially with regard to sex. #UFchat
10:48 pm Saffy: @editorialdept @UF_Chat Hmmmm this is why I made phase diagrams to cope with genres they are end points not catagories :/ #UFchat thanks
10:48 pm Patti_OShea: Also, at Amazon and other online bookstores, there aren’t sections and books can get tagged with more than one category. #ufchat
10:48 pm Patti_OShea: There’s also readers who bought this also bought… Some of those UF titles have PNR recs on the page. #ufchat
10:48 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q12: Newbie writers to UF & PNR gravitate to writing either a ?Madonna? or a ?Whore?. Thoughts on why? #UFchat
10:48 pm elizabethkarr: Adding paranormal obstacle ups the ante. eg Twilight-Consummation=Death of being human.Hard 2 top that as something to keepH/H apart #UFchat
10:48 pm kaitnolan: @Patti_OShea Do you think the advent of ebooks will see more folks reading PNR b/c nobody can see the covers and judge? #UFchat
10:49 pm Patti_OShea: I’m not sure why that is unless it’s related to stereotypes in some way. It’s easier to write a type than to really dig in and #ufchat
10:49 pm J_GriffinB: RT @Patti_OShea: bookstores put my books in fantasy section and Ive heard from male readers who found my books there & liked. true #ufchat
10:49 pm Patti_OShea: get to know your characters well enough to get past labels. #ufchat
10:49 pm ladytechie: @Patti_OShea Do you think the guys would have not read them if someone had sent them to romance to pick them up? #UFChat
10:50 pm Patti_OShea: @kaitnolan I think it’s going to help a lot. Some of my own covers have embarrassed me. 🙂 #ufchat
10:50 pm LaylaMessner: This is a literalization of the sex/love as death metaphor, I think. RT @elizabethkarr: Twilight-Consummation=Death of being human. #UFChat
10:50 pm rixshep: rt @elizabethkarr @editorialdept Agree readers open 2 crossing genres. Publishers/Studios less so. Educate ’em: hybrids good! #UFchat /Yes!
10:50 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q14: Do you have tips on how to NOT fall into the cliché trap when writing relationships? #UFchat
10:50 pm LaylaMessner: RT @Patti_OShea: get to know your characters well enough to get past labels. #UFChat
10:50 pm Cameron_Haley: Can we get some examples of the “Madonna” and “Whore” generalization. I guess I haven’t noticed that… #UFchat
10:50 pm snowppl: @RCMurphy Tell me about it! #UFchat
10:50 pm Patti_OShea: @ladytechie I think men automatically think sappy when they see romance. There are a lot of us who don’t write sappy. 🙂 #ufchat
10:51 pm Patti_OShea: I’m not sure that holds true anymore. The Hamilton books have a lot more sex in them than a lot of PNR, but her books are still UF. #ufchat
10:51 pm Patti_OShea: I have a lot of fight scenes and action scenes in my books, but I’d still say they’re PNR. I think writers just need to write their #ufchat
10:51 pm Patti_OShea: story and worry about categorizing it after they’re finished. #ufchat
10:51 pm MartinsSecrets: RT @elizabethkarr: Adding paranormal obstacle ups the ante. eg Twilight-Consummation=Death of being human.Hard 2 top that as something to keepH/H apart #UFchat
10:51 pm snowppl: @RCMurphy I haven’t seen you. I have no idea why! 😦 #UFchat
10:52 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Going to skip ahead om the questions as we’re running out of time & want to get to some in particular. #UFchat
10:52 pm Patti_OShea: @J_GriffinB I hear my characters so distinctly in my head, that I haven’t worried about holding voice. They’re tyrants. 🙂 #ufchat
10:52 pm Jinxie_G: @Patti_OShea I totally agree with that! It’s how I write. #UFChat
10:52 pm LaylaMessner: RT @Patti_OShea: I hear my characters so distinctly in my head, that I havent worried about holding voice. Theyre tyrants. 🙂 #UFChat
10:52 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q15: Appear UF has ?supernaturals? 4 MCs & love interests. PNR tends to male supes only. Why not many PNR supe females? #UFchat
10:53 pm Saffy: Tis way past my bedtime – glad I could catch part of this chat – thanks #UFchat @Patti_OShea
10:53 pm Patti_OShea: Wow, really? Guess I’ve been doing it wrong. 🙂 #ufchat
10:53 pm ladytechie: I just want what I expect to be in there. I always said why mess up a good murder with a bunch of love junk. LOL #UFChat
10:53 pm Patti_OShea: I’m immediately thinking through the books I’ve read and I’m coming up with stories in PNR with the heroine a vampire, werewolf, #ufchat angel or whatever. I remember stories better than titles, but Maggie Shayne wrote female vampires back in the Silhouette Shadows #ufchat
10:53 pm rixshep: rt @kaitnolan @Patti_OShea Do u think books will see more folks reading PNR b/c nobody can see covers & judge? #UFchat / Heh! Probably!
10:53 pm 1hope1dream: RT @Patti_OShea: I hear my characters so distinctly in my head, that I havent worried about holding voice. Theyre tyrants. 🙂 #UFchat
10:54 pm Patti_OShea: days and Rebecca Flanders in that same line. Mid 90s maybe? If this really is the trend, I can guess it has to do with making the #ufchat hero alpha. It’s much easier to have an alpha vampire hero and a human heroine who needs his protection than it is to have a #ufchat
10:54 pm snowppl: @RCMurphy yes! you should! @twitter should listen #UFchat
10:54 pm kaitnolan: @UF_Chat Maybe it’s a desire in romance for a larger than life/reality lover? I seem to be missin those books. #UFchat
10:54 pm Patti_OShea: vampire heroine and an alpha human hero. 🙂 Like I said, it was an interesting experience when I wrote IN THE #ufchat
10:54 pm Patti_OShea: MIDNIGHT HOUR. I think I pulled it off, but it definitely wasn’t the easiest writing I’ve ever done. #ufchat
10:54 pm Patti_OShea: In UF where the heroines are expected to kick butt, it’s easier to have her be supernatural. I’m just guessing here on the whys. #ufchat
10:55 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q16: UF r/ships often happen over series. Does PNR require relationship resolution 4 each book or is multi-book arc OK? #UFchat
10:55 pm Patti_OShea: I don’t see why there couldn’t be a PNR with a romance arc that encompasses three books. Personally, as a reader, I prefer #ufchat
10:55 pm Patti_OShea: to have at least some kind of resolution at the end of each book, but Jayne Ann Krentz did this beautifully in a four book #ufchat
10:55 pm Patti_OShea: series of romances. They’re out of print and really hard to find. I spent years tracking them down before I found all of them, #ufchat
10:56 pm Patti_OShea: but the HEA (Happily Ever After) doesn’t happen until the end of the 4th book, but IIRC there were small resolutions between the h/h #ufchat
10:56 pm Patti_OShea: at the end of each book. Like they decide they have something special at the end of book 1 and are going to date exclusively. #ufchat
10:56 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q17: B/c U blend hard action w romance what must U take into account writing fights/action 2 keep relationship central? #UFchat
10:56 pm Patti_OShea: I can’t remember all the smaller resolutions, but they were enough that left the romance open with more to go, but enough #ufchat that I, as a reader, felt satisfied. The series name, BTW, is Guinevere Jones and she wrote them under the name #ufchat
10:56 pm elizabethkarr: i think y paranormal genre growing is it taps into a morphic resonance of unease & uncertainty felt by much of us humans. #UFchat
10:56 pm Patti_OShea: ayne Castle. The first in the series is “Desperate Game.” #ufchat
10:57 pm mark_henry: @UF_Chat That’s where “urban fantasy romance” proponents stand. Romance is over arc, no HEA. But needs a better name. #UFchat
10:57 pm kaitnolan: @elizabethkarr I figure it is as simple as the fact that in tough economic times, real life sucks and paranormal is total escape #UFchat
10:57 pm Patti_OShea: I rarely have my h/h apart, so they’re usually fighting together or fighting to defend the other. Having them worried about #ufchat
each other is how I keep the relationship a priority while all the other stuff is happening. #ufchat
10:57 pm Patti_OShea: When I do have them apart, they’re thinking of each other. Like in MIDNIGHT HOUR, Deke thinks he hears Ryne calling for help, #ufchat
10:57 pm elizabethkarr: @Patti_OShea You have totally whetted my appetite to read Jayne Ann Kretz. #UFchat
10:57 pm snowppl: @RCMurphy i’m sorry! #UFchat
10:58 pm Patti_OShea: so he goes outside to rescue her, only to find he was lured from safety by a creature who mimicked her voice. The fight goes on #ufchat for a few pages and then Ryne’s there and they’re both worrying about each other. #ufchat
10:58 pm snowppl: RT @RCMurphy Ugh. I should have checked before the chat. I had some good things to say since PNR & UF mixed are my “thing”. #UFchat
10:58 pm UF_Chat: @mark_henry Ah – but they still require the HEA then? Bittersweet doesn’t qualify? #UFchat
10:58 pm Patti_OShea: It really can be a balancing act if the scenes happen while they’re apart. Yes, they can think about their heroine (or hero), #ufchat
10:58 pm Patti_OShea: but when the fight is getting nitty gritty, they’d be an idiot to lose focus without a good reason. #ufchat
10:58 pm rixshep: @Saffy @editorialdept @UF_Chat => “made phase diagrams to cope with genres” <= Got any examples? Sounds neat! #UFchat
10:58 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q18: What other unusually labeled subgenres would we find your bks in? (ie where else should we be looking?) #UFchat
10:59 pm elizabethkarr: @kaitnolan You got that right! Tough times, we want escape. And best ways are books, movies (and sex). #UFchat
10:59 pm KevinHearne: @mark_henry I second that. UF suggests action, not romance, and that’s what readers expect. #UFChat
10:59 pm Patti_OShea: If you’re asking where I’m shelved in the bookstore, mostly in romance with a few also sticking me in Fantasy/SF. If you’re #ufchat
10:59 pm Patti_OShea: talking about what other genres I wander into either intentionally or unintentionally, I guess horror. Although I never think of #ufchat
10:59 pm mark_henry: @UF_Chat That seems to be their point. Still confuses. #UFchat
10:59 pm Patti_OShea: my books like this, I have had reviewers frequently use the label horror. I also guess I regularly have romantic suspense #ufchat
10:59 pm Patti_OShea: elements in my books as well. #ufchat
11:00 pm jimnduncan: guess my series might qualify as uf romance then, with a multi-book relationship arc, but focus is still on paranormal goings on. #ufchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q19: What series/books are you working on right now? When can we expect your next book? #UFchat
11:00 pm snowppl: @RCMurphy well you could use the twitter site. #UFchat
11:01 pm J_GriffinB: Q: Do you consider yourself a Fantasy writer, then or UF/PNR? #ufchat
11:01 pm Patti_OShea: I have two series proposals being shopped around right now and two or three more I’d like to work on, but right now I’m #ufchat
11:01 pm Patti_OShea: writing a Nocturne Bites. This is Harlequin’s line for PNR short stories. The working title is SHADOW’S CARESS and I don’t #ufchat
11:01 pm Patti_OShea: have a release date yet. The hero is a shade because the heroine who was a vampire hunter didn’t follow all the steps it #ufchat
11:01 pm Patti_OShea: would take to kill him. He needs her to pull the stake so he can return to his life as the undead. So far she’s been shot at #ufchat
11:01 pm Patti_OShea: and driven her car through a railway crossing with the train bearing down on her. 🙂 #ufchat
11:02 pm elizabethkarr: This has been eyeopening. In my mind Syfy & Romance were 2 distinct genres. Subplots yes, but mostly 1 or other. V enlightening. #UFchat
11:02 pm Patti_OShea: @J_GriffinB I call myself a PNR author because my focus is on the romance even though I have a lot of other stuff going on, too. #ufchat
11:02 pm rixshep: rt @elizabethkarr i think y paranormal genre growing is taps into morphic resonance of unease/uncertainty felt by much of us. #UFchat
11:02 pm elizabethkarr: @Patti_OShea Now that’s a premise! Run pitch that to a movie studio! 🙂 #UFchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Q20: While we’re waiting for your next book, what other UF &/or PNR books do you recommend we read? #UFchat
11:03 pm J_GriffinB: @Patti_OShea so we won’t see you at World Fantasy? #ufchat
11:03 pm Patti_OShea: I’ve mostly been reading nonfiction lately, but I have read the first 3 books in Laura Anne Gilman’s Retriever’s series and #ufchat
11:03 pm Patti_OShea: really liked them. They’re third person (which I prefer to read over first person) and UF titles. The heroine is a magic #ufchat user who’s also a Retriever (thief). #ufchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr I thin@Patti_OShea‘s books would work brilliantly as movies – if they kept her edge! #UFchat
11:03 pm ladytechie: @Patti_OShea Is it fair to try and have it all in there or is one type of fan bound to be disappointed when an author attempts that? #UFChat
11:04 pm Patti_OShea: @J_GriffinB 🙂 I haven’t gone to any conferences/conventions for the last few years, so no, I’m afraid not. #ufchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarry (Take II) I think @Patti_OShea‘s books would work brilliantly as movies – if they kept her edge! #UFchat
11:04 pm LaylaMessner: Gotta run. Thanks @Patti_OShea and everyone :). #UFChat
11:04 pm snowppl: Okay, have to leave for #free dinner. Can’t pass that up! See you all later! #ufchat
11:04 pm J_GriffinB: @Patti_OShea shucks. #ufchat
11:05 pm elizabethkarr: @UF_Chat I thin@Patti_OShea‘s books would work brilliantly as movies – if they kept her edge!<W/ right producer they will. 🙂 #UFchat
11:05 pm Patti_OShea: @ladytechie Sometimes I think I make no one happy. Some complain there isn’t enough romance, others complain there’s too much Rom. #ufchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: Over to you guys! Did I miss a question you wanted to ask? @Patti_OShea now. 🙂 #UFchat
11:05 pm kaitnolan: @Pattie_OShea Which is your favorite of your books? #UFchat
11:06 pm 1hope1dream: I’ve got an odd question. What makes UF/PNR different from horror? Or are they similar genres? #UFchat
11:06 pm elizabethkarr: @Patti_OShea Remember Lincoln. U can plz some folks all the time, all folks some of time, but u cant plz all folks all the time. 🙂 #UFchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea By your awards & best sellers (& how library always has your books on waiting lists) I think people are very happy. 😉 #UFchat
11:07 pm Patti_OShea: @kaitnolan My favorite book is always the last one that’s completely finished. 🙂 In this case, IN THE DARKEST NIGHT. #ufchat
11:07 pm tasmin21: @1hope1dream My theory: In UF, the supernatural is the world. In Horror, the supernatural is the plot. #ufchat
11:07 pm ellestonewrites: Thanks @Patti_OShea Great chat! #ufchat
11:07 pm inkgypsy: @Patti_OShea RT @1hope1dream: I’ve got an odd question. What makes UF/PNR different from horror? Or are they similar genres? #UFchat
11:07 pm elizabethkarr: @Patti_OShea Have u considered adapting books into film? Is that a goal? #UFchat
11:07 pm Patti_OShea: @ellestonewrites thank you! #ufchat
11:08 pm ladytechie: @tasmin21 Good one! #UFChat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: That’s all have time for today! Thx for joining & thank you @Patti_OShea for being so generous with your time & answering questions. #UFchat
11:08 pm Patti_OShea: I’m happy to stick around and answer any questions y’all still have. And if I missed an earlier question, please repost. #ufchat
11:08 pm Patti_OShea: @elizabethkarr I’d like to see my books made into movies, but I’ve no plans to write my own adaptations. #ufchat
11:09 pm Patti_OShea: @1hope1dream I haven’t read enough horror to know the answer to this question #ufchat
11:09 pm inkgypsy: RT @tasmin21: @1hope1dream My theory: In UF, the supernatural is the world. In Horror, the supernatural is the plot. #ufchat
11:09 pm elizabethkarr: @Patti_OShea @UF_Chat Thank you. Great to be in the room. Excellent conversation. #UFchat
11:10 pm Patti_OShea: @elizabethkarr thank you! #ufchat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: Patti is generously offering to hang out for a bit and answer some more questions. Throw them in! #UFchat
11:10 pm kaitnolan: @Patti_OShea Great chat! Thanks for coming! #UFchat
11:10 pm 1hope1dream: @tasmin21 That’s an interesting point. #UFchat
11:10 pm rixshep: @Patti_OShea Btw, I found your answers (and resulting convos) to be excellent, even if I couldn’t keep up w/all of them! Thanks! #ufchat
11:10 pm 1hope1dream: @Patti_OShea Thanks for answering our questions! #UFchat
11:10 pm Patti_OShea: @tasmin21 thank you! #ufchat
11:11 pm Patti_OShea: @rixshep Thank you! It is hard to keep up, isn’t it? I’m worried I missed questions. #ufchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea (2 more?) Q: Why do you think ?alpha males? are popular and are they really as popular as some make them out to be? #UFchat
11:11 pm Patti_OShea: @1hope1dream you’re welcome! Thanks for coming to the chat! #ufchat
11:12 pm Patti_OShea: Alpha heroes are hugely popular from what I see. My whole theory is that the stronger the heroine is, the stronger the hero needs #ufchat
11:12 pm Patti_OShea: to be and vice versa. When I read, I want to see the hero out kicking butt with the heroine, not home watching the stock #ufchat
11:12 pm kaitnolan: @UF_Chat I think it’s because in fiction you can have an alpha and get the fantasy but IRL an alpha would be hard to live with. #UFchat
11:12 pm elizabethkarr: @Patti_OShea That’s smart to focus on novels whch you excel at. Adapting novels into screenplays is whole other skill set. #UFchat
11:12 pm Patti_OShea: reports while his heroine is risking her life. Also, when you see one character (whether is the hero or the heroine) who’s really #ufchat
11:12 pm Patti_OShea: alpha and you see them with some beta character, don’t you think, “what do you see in her/him?” I know I do. #ufchat
11:13 pm Patti_OShea: I like a partnership of equals. When I wrote IN THE MIDNIGHT HOUR, my hero was human and my heroine was a #ufchat
11:13 pm rixshep: Well, time to head out (dinner is ready!), but I’ll check later to see the late comments. Still hoping to see some phase diagrams! #ufchat
11:13 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea I’m tweeting your website & more but if people have questions, feedback etc how can they contact you? #UFchat
11:13 pm pattioshea: I just got put in Twitter Jail. Using a second account to answer #ufchat
11:14 pm pattioshea: magic-wielding, butt-kicking troubleshooter. But he’s still alpha. He’s an ex-LAPD officer and a PI. He doesn’t take well to sitting #ufchat
11:14 pm pattioshea: on the sidelines and I made sure to show his frustration with having to stand back and let the heroine fight the battles. I alsomade #ufchat
11:14 pm pattioshea: sure he had a couple of opportunities to fight on his own to show he is alpha. They balanced each other in an interesting #ufchat
11:14 pm pattioshea: way with Deke being the more emotionally grounded. #ufchat
11:15 pm pattioshea: They can @reply me @Patti_OShea or email me patti@pattioshea.com #ufchat
11:15 pm 1hope1dream: Time for me to escape from the chats and get back to the WIP. Later all! #UFchat
11:15 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Seriously awesome answers & food for thought! Thank you SO much for your time today. We wish you only best sellers! #UFchat
11:15 pm Jamgrrl: Interesting. RT @tasmin21: @1hope1dream My theory: In UF, the supernatural is the world. In Horror, the supernatural is the plot. #ufchat
11:16 pm UF_Chat: That?s a wrap for our special Q&A on PNR & UF today! #UFchat
11:16 pm UF_Chat: Transcript 4 today?s chat on UF/PNR overlap will be on #UFchat blog within 36hrs (apocalypses excepted). Follow @UF_Chat 4 updates! #UFchat
11:16 pm tasmin21: Great chat, folks! I’m off to do domestic stuffs. #ufchat
11:17 pm UF_Chat: Next will be tweeting LINKS on/about @Patti_OShea?s books: #UFchat
11:17 pm UF_Chat: Patti?s website (actionrom.com) w xlnt blog on writing characters & relationships & much more http://bit.ly/9gWXHO #UFchat
11:17 pm 1hope1dream: Before I run, one more comment here…I don’t care what the subgenre is. It’s ALL speculative fiction and it’s all good. 😉 #UFchat
11:17 pm UF_Chat: A guest post by @Patti_OShea on the importance of relationships in her books & deleting scenes http://bit.ly/13rJK4 #UFchat
11:17 pm UF_Chat: Patti O?Shea?s Oooh Moment at the Paranormal Romance Blog http://bit.ly/cBEDWH #UFchat
11:18 pm UF_Chat: @1hope1dream Agreed! #UFchat
11:18 pm UF_Chat: Awesome interview with Patti O?Shea at Bitten By Paranormal Romance http://bit.ly/cTZjd2 #UFchat
11:20 pm UF_Chat: Patti’s website also has a bunch of excerpts you can read -get a preview piece of the action (& the love) http://www.pattioshea.com/ #UFchat
11:20 pm UF_Chat: To be tweeted next: some resources discussing Paranormal Romance and Urban Fantasy together: #UFchat
11:21 pm UF_Chat: Because It?s Shiny by @ShilohWalker http://bit.ly/bfbptg (Why she writes PNR) #UFchat
11:21 pm UF_Chat: Editorial Roundtable: The Roots of Paranormal Romance/Urban Fantasy (for Tor.com blog) http://bit.ly/caJoFu #UFchat
11:21 pm UF_Chat: What Is Paranormal Romance? By Paul Guran (for Juno books) http://bit.ly/coiSIZ #UFchat
11:22 pm UF_Chat: Books That Blur the Line: Pt 1 by Rebecca @ Dirty Sexy Books http://bit.ly/aHzz3V #UFchat
11:22 pm UF_Chat: Books That Blur the Line: Pt 2 by Abigail @ All Thing Urban Fantasy http://bit.ly/aLJrzd #UFchat
11:22 pm UF_Chat: Upcoming TOPIC: UF – The Good, the Bad & the Untapped: Urban Fantasy Pet Peeves & Wish Lists #UFchat
11:23 pm UF_Chat: We are slowly making a list of UF authors on Twitter on #UFchat blog site. Please suggest more @inkgypsy or @snowppl #UFchat
11:23 pm elizabethkarr: Enjoyed meeting u all. I’m film producer of @rfamovie. Adaptation of Philip K Dick novel, http://www.radiofreealbemuth.com #UFchat
11:24 pm UF_Chat: Aug 21 #UFchat session going dark. 😉 Transcript available on #UFchat‘s blog in 36hrs-ish, allowing for late comments to be added. #UFchat
11:25 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr Nice to see you today! Thank you for joining us (& please consider @Patti_OShea‘s bks for a film! 😉 #UFchat
11:25 pm MartinsSecrets: RT @elizabethkarr: Enjoyed meeting u all. I’m film producer of @rfamovie. Adaptation of Philip K Dick novel, http://www.radiofreealbemuth.com #UFchat
11:27 pm elizabethkarr: @UF_Chat am excited to read @patti_oshea books. New 2 twitter, I’m amazed at all the wonders out there, including #UFchat
11:31 pm inkgypsy: @MRDunn12 Plenty OK to lurk! There’s so much to read & keep up with! Just say hi so we know you’re there. 🙂 Thanks tons for coming. #UFchat
11:34 pm UF_Chat: Tons info in today’s #UFchat! (check hashtag) Like mini-conference! Thx to @Patti_OShea for the awesome. Late comments welcome(use hashtag).
11:34 pm inkgypsy: Tons info in today’s #UFchat! (check hashtag) Like mini-conference! Thx to @Patti_OShea for the awesome. Late comments welcome(use hashtag).
11:40 pm Tartipants: RT @kaitnolan @Patti_OShea Great chat! Thanks for coming! #UFchat http://foook.com
11:42 pm jensenmary30: my books like this, I have had reviewers frequently use the label horror. I also guess I regularly have romantic suspense #ufchat
August 22, 2010
12:23 am rixshep: RT @1hope1dream: Before I run, one more comment here…I don’t care what the subgenre is. It’s ALL speculative fiction and it’s all good. 😉 #UFchat
1:53 am inkgypsy: 101 weapons for women (from 1991!) Actually, this is good story stuff… http://bit.ly/aVS3DE #UFchat #fightscenes
7:53 am AnassaRh: Suspect I’ll be pretty quiet on the #ufchat comments tonight. Not familliar with romance, paranormal or otherwise.
8:49 am AnassaRh: @Saffy A friend reads lots of magic realism, describes it as “reality made magical”. Dreams, altered states, coincidences, etc. #ufchat
11:27 am kltworld: I wasn’t able to participate, but I read through many of the comments for last night’s #UFchat. Great information! Thanks!
5:45 pm tadbo: RT @UF_Chat: Editorial Roundtable: The Roots of Paranormal Romance/Urban Fantasy (for Tor.com blog) http://bit.ly/caJoFu #UFchat
8:45 pm sarahmakela: RT @tasmin21: I dont think UF & Romance conventions R alike. Romance wld be romance, be it w/ humans or creatures. UF…not so much. #ufchat



Thanks for a great chat everyone! Hopefully we cleared up some questions, opened some doors and sparked some ideas. (Why do I have the feeling a lot of people will be re-watching Terminator this week? 😉

Be sure to check out Patti’s links, the resource posts/essays and more tweeted at the end of the chat time.

The “Published UF authors on Twitter” page for the blog (check the link at the very top of the page) is slowly growing (there are a LOT of UF authors on Twitter!) and it’s and linked it to a list on Twitter for easy following.

If you see someone you think should be on there, there’s a good chance we just haven’t gotten to adding them yet BUT please always feel free to add suggestions by @-ing @inkgypsy or @snowppl and we’ll add them to the list ASAP.

Stay tuned to @UF_Chat on Twitter for details on next week’s topic.

See you next week!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)

Recommended Reads: The Downside Series by Stacia Kane

Title/s: Unholy Ghosts, Unholy Magic, City of Ghosts (Downside Ghosts/Chess Putnam series, books 1-3)
Author: Stacia Kane (@StaciaKane on Twitter)
Type of UF: Dark, edgy, gritty, fast-paced, mystery
Paranormal Element/ Creatures: Ghosts, Magic
Publisher: US – Del Rey/ UK – Harper Voyager (see Stacia’s website for the UK covers)
Release Date/s: June, July & August of 2010
Back Cover Copy:


The world is not the way it was. The dead have risen, and the living are under attack. The powerful Church of Real Truth, in charge since the government fell, has sworn to reimburse citizens being harassed by the deceased.

Consequently, there are many false claims of hauntings from those hoping to profit. Enter Chess Putnam, a fully-tattooed witch, freewheeling Debunker, and ghost hunter. She’s got a real talent for nailing human liars and banishing the wicked dead. But she’s keeping a dark secret from the Church: a little drug problem that’s landed her in hot and dangerous water.

Chess owes a lot of money to a murderous drug lord named Bump. And Bump wants immediate payback. All Chess has to do is dispatch a very nasty species of undead from an old airport. But the job involves black magic, human sacrifice, a nefarious demonic creature, and crossing swords with enough wicked energy to wipe out a city of souls. Toss in lust for a rival gang leader and a dangerous attraction to Bump’s ruthless enforcer, and Chess begins to wonder if the rush is really worth it. Hell, yeah.

If you haven’t heard of Stacia Kane’s Downside books yet, you’re missing some really big news – both in urban fantasy and for genre books in general.

Let me give you a taste:

That’s right. Stacia’s first three books in the series are being released back-to-back-to-back right now (that’s how much the publisher believes in the series) and they’re causing quite a stir. Thanks to the unusual premise, the very-flawed-yet-‘relate-able’ MC (particularly regarding her drug habit), the fresh and thorough world-building and the unique-yet-accessible vernacular, people everywhere are talking about these addictive books.

There are many reviews available online for the first two books (Stacia’s website HERE links to many) but I’ll include excerpts from just one thorough review to give you an idea:

(From “Raising Kane: Why the Summer of 2010 Will Be the Summer of Stacia for Paranormal Fantasy Fans” by Paul Goat Allen)

This is an ambitious novel, a novel that shuns the formulaic pitfalls and conventionality of other bestselling paranormal fantasy sagas. This is Stacia Kane at the top of her game—it is a writer evolved, a storyteller matured, an imagination fully unleashed upon the world…

… if you’re looking for something deeper and darker, I would highly recommend this novel. I loved the (what some would consider) audacious premise; the downright tantalizing glimpses into the otherworldly City of Eternity; the cool, punk rock undertones (at one point Chess is wearing a Dead Kennedys t-shirt); and the wonderfully intricate mystery that intertwines it all together.

Read the whole review HERE.

Dubious about an addicted MC? See what this reviewer (Fiction Vixen) had to say about her concerns HERE.

Stacia Kane

Join us for our very first #UFchat on Saturday July 24th at 3pm PST/6pm EST for a special Q&A with Stacia Kane on her Downside series! Bring your questions or tweet me ahead of time so I can add them. See you there!

Psst! Need to catch up? Read Chapter 1 of Unholy Ghosts FREE online HERE or  download the FIRST FIVE CHAPTERS FREE as a PDF!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)