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Transcript for Nov 20th, 2010 – Slayers with Kids, Pets & Other Monster Bait in Tow (the Thanksgiving concerns of UF MCs)

Here’s our Thanksgiving edition of #UFchat! You didn’t think urban fantasy could be so feel-good-y did you? Well, it’s not so simple – read on… :)

TOPIC: The threat kids, pets & loved ones pose to UF MCs, their monster bait potential & why MCs could STILL have great Thanksgivings.. πŸ˜‰

It’s all about the risks of having loved ones vs the rewards, legacies, superstitions & traditions passed along as only a UF family know how. Oh, and don’t forget the menu for the various different family/pack members and all those handy sharp accessories your MC has stashed on his/hew person – just in case any kind of carving is required. πŸ˜‰

Official UFchat questions in YELLOW for easier reading.

Resources/ topic-related links are in BLUE.

Also: it’s STILL National Novel Writing Month! Or NaNoWriMo (or just NaNo for even shorter) – and it’s the Thanksgiving meltdown/rush-write week! Best wishes to all participating and we hope to hear news of your new UF novels-in-progress soon. We are thankful for every new UF being brought to life!

6:53 am inkgypsy: @jsmithready Also forgot to mention in mail that will do an animals in UF topic for #UFchat sometime, so any answer good for then too. πŸ™‚
8:07 am UF_Chat: #UFchat TODAY! The threat kids/pets /loved ones pose to UF MCs, their monster bait-ness & why MCs can STILL have great Thanksgivings! 3pmPST
8:07 am inkgypsy: #UFchat TODAY! The threat kids/pets /loved ones pose to UF MCs, their monster bait-ness & why MCs can STILL have great Thanksgivings! 3pmPST
2:22 pm jsmithready: @inkgypsy No problem at all! I’m replying as we speak. πŸ™‚ What’s the topic on tonight’s #ufchat? I will actually be home for once (I think.)
2:25 pm shadowflame1974: RT @inkgypsy: #UFchat TODAY! The threat kids/pets /loved ones pose to UF MCs, their monster bait-ness & why MCs can STILL have great Thanksgivings! 3pmPST
5:00 pm UF_Chat: Yes #UFchat is on TODAY! Nov 20th – there’s a Thanksgiving tone to the topic today regarding risks vs rewards of loved ones! 3pmPST Pls RT!
5:00 pm inkgypsy: Yes #UFchat is on TODAY! Nov 20th – there’s a Thanksgiving tone to the topic today regarding risks vs rewards of loved ones! 3pmPST Pls RT!
5:04 pm Patti_OShea: RT @inkgypsy: Yes #UFchat is on TODAY! Nov 20th – there’s a Thanksgiving tone to the topic today regarding risks vs rewards of loved ones! 3pmPST Pls RT!
5:06 pm harleyquinn0887: RT @UF_Chat: Yes #UFchat is on TODAY! Nov 20th – there’s a Thanksgiving tone to the topic today regarding risks vs rewards of loved ones! 3pmPST Pls RT!
6:00 pm UF_Chat: #UFchat today: risks vs rewards of MC having loved ones in UF – bring your gravy (good stuff) & your turkeys (pls no’s!) to table! 3pm PST
6:00 pm inkgypsy: #UFchat today: risks vs rewards of MC having loved ones in UF – bring your gravy (good stuff) & your turkeys (pls no’s!) to table! 3pm PST
6:04 pm MerrieDestefano: RT @inkgypsy: #UFchat TODAY! The threat kids/pets /loved ones pose to UF MCs, their monster bait-ness & why MCs can STILL have great Thanksgivings! 3pmPST
7:35 pm UF_Chat: Thanksgiving themed #UFchat today! Slayers with Kids, Pets & Other Monster Bait in Tow (the Thanksgiving concerns of UF MCs) 3pmPST Pls RT!
7:35 pm inkgypsy: Thanksgiving themed #UFchat today! Slayers with Kids, Pets & Other Monster Bait in Tow (the Thanksgiving concerns of UF MCs) 3pmPST Pls RT!
7:37 pm shadowflame1974: RT @inkgypsy: Thanksgiving themed #UFchat today! Slayers with Kids, Pets & Other Monster Bait in Tow (the Thanksgiving concerns of UF MCs) 3pmPST Pls RT!
8:00 pm UF_Chat: 3 hours till #UFchat TODAY! The Thanksgiving headaches of UF Mcs – the risk vs reward of loved ones in UF 3pm PST/6pmEST
8:00 pm inkgypsy: 3 hours till #UFchat TODAY! The Thanksgiving headaches of UF Mcs – the risk vs reward of loved ones in UF 3pm PST/6pmEST
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9:00 pm inkgypsy: 2 hrs to #UFchat! The threat kids, pets & loved ones pose to UF MCs (monster bait! & more) & why MCs STILL have great Thanksgivings 3pm PST
9:00 pm UF_Chat: 2 hrs to #UFchat! The threat kids, pets & loved ones pose to UF MCs (monster bait! & more) & why MCs STILL have great Thanksgivings 3pm PST
9:35 pm MarciSischo: RT @UF_Chat: 2 hrs to #UFchat! The threat kids, pets & loved ones pose to UF MCs (monster bait! & more) & why MCs STILL have great Thanksgivings 3pm PST
9:42 pm MerrieDestefano: @inkgypsy Hi, sweetie! Hoping to stop by #UFchat today, if I can get caught up in freelance work. =)
10:00 pm inkgypsy: 1 hr to #UFchat! The nightmarish risk of UF MCs loved ones gathering for Thanksgiving & why it’s worth loving monster bait, er, kids/pets.
10:00 pm UF_Chat: 1 hr to #UFchat! The nightmarish risk of UF MCs loved ones gathering for Thanksgiving & why it’s worth loving monster bait, er, kids/pets.
10:07 pm shadowflame1974: RT @inkgypsy: 1 hr to #UFchat! The nightmarish risk of UF MCs loved ones gathering for Thanksgiving & why it’s worth loving monster bait, er, kids/pets.
10:30 pm inkgypsy: 30 mins to #UFchat TODAY! Thanksgiving themed: risk vs reward of having kids, pets, family & other loved ones in a UF MCs life 3pmPST/6pmEST
10:30 pm UF_Chat: 30 mins to #UFchat TODAY! Thanksgiving themed: risk vs reward of having kids, pets, family & other loved ones in a UF MCs life 3pmPST/6pmEST
10:30 pm MaryCDavid: 30 mins to #UFchat TODAY! Thanksgiving themed: risk vs reward of having kids, pets, family & other loved ones in a UF MCs life 3pmPST…
10:44 pm AnassaRh: RT @UF_Chat: 30 mins to #UFchat TODAY! Thanksgiving themed: risk vs reward of having kids, pets, family & other loved ones in a UF MCs life 3pmPST/6pmEST
10:45 pm inkgypsy: 15 minute countdown to #UFchat today – you’ll get the gravy (good stuff) & the turkeys (pls NO!) on monster bait, er, loved ones in UF!
10:45 pm UF_Chat: 15 minute countdown to #UFchat today – you’ll get the gravy (good stuff) & the turkeys (pls NO!) on monster bait, er, loved ones in UF!
10:46 pm shadowflame1974: RT @inkgypsy: 15 minute countdown to #UFchat today – you’ll get the gravy (good stuff) & the turkeys (pls NO!) on monster bait, er, loved ones in UF!
10:46 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @inkgypsy: 15 minute countdown to #UFchat today – you’ll get the gravy (good stuff) & the turkeys (pls NO!) on monster bait, er, loved ones in UF!
10:46 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @UF_Chat: 15 minute countdown to #UFchat today – you’ll get the gravy (good stuff) & the turkeys (pls NO!) on monster bait, er, loved ones in UF!
10:50 pm inkgypsy: Swapping into UFchat mod mode & pulling on my kickass #UFchat boots. (I am thankful for my boots! And for people who wanna chat UF. πŸ˜‰
10:54 pm shadowflame1974: 5 minutes people! 5 minutes #UFchat
10:55 pm AnassaRh: Looking forward to #ufchat today! @hannahnpbowman, you attending?
10:57 pm inkgypsy: #UFchat coming right up! 3pm PST Slayers with Kids, Pets & Other Monster Bait in Tow (the Thanksgiving concerns of UF MCs)
10:58 pm inkgypsy: Primer for #UFchat early birds: Gee mom, what?s with the stake? http://bit.ly/bxALRT #UFchat
10:58 pm inkgypsy: We?re talking about the risk of UF MCs having children, pets or even families and the unused potential of said monster bait. #UFchat
10:59 pm shadowflame1974: 1 minute to go! #UFchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: 3, 2… & now we’re live with #UFchat! Welcome back the Thanksgiving edition of #UFchat! #UFchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: The threat kids, pets & loved ones pose to UF MCs, their monster bait potential & why MCs COULD still have great Thanksgivings.. #UFchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: Reminder: ?S? stands for statement which will be followed by a ?Q? (a related #UFchat question for discussion). #UFchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: S: Thanksgiving is looming in the US & people have loved ones and families uppermost in their minds. That?d include many UF MCs? #UFchat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: Q1: With most MCs being loners, how would such a family focused holiday impact the American MCs? #UFchat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: Toughie I know – don’t worry – I get more specific for you. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:01 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat A! Suicidal despair? #UFchat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: Q1a: Personal impact? (mood, reflections, vows, traditions, etc) #UFchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: Q1b: Professional impact? (eg. many people ? kids & pets too ? travel unusually long distances etc to be with family) #UFchat
11:02 pm Sarah_Bromley: Popping in to #ufchat. Hopefully, I can stay for a bit.
11:02 pm shadowflame1974: Q1 depends on if their friends and adoptive families took them to dinner with them. Some might be depressed, angry, etc #UFchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch LOL! (I totally get that!) #UFchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: @Sarah_Bromley Hiya! thanks for coming, however briefly. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:03 pm shadowflame1974: Q1b might be more likely to tackle something they normally wouldn’t bc of anger issues or loneliness #UFchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Gotta be mixed feelings for sure (like many of us prob.) – families tend toward the not healthy side for UF! #UFchat
11:03 pm AnassaRh: A1 Loner MCs would a) get depressed, lonely, or angry at not attending b) go but really not enjoy it. #ufchat
11:03 pm thedragongem: Depends on if they are part of a pack or not #UFCHAT
11:03 pm AnassaRh: More outgoing MCs would probably have a fine time, provided nothing attacked over the weekend. #ufchat
11:03 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @thedragongem Good point. #UFCHAT
11:04 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh I’m thinking of the outfits they’d wear – probably more weapons than usual… πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:04 pm Sarah_Bromley: Q1a: They might be reminded of what’s changed for them, how normalcy isn’t something they can have. #ufchat
11:04 pm shadowflame1974: or might be a great time for that SO to get in close for some comfort #UFchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: We do have that issues of human MCs vs non-human/part human MCs too… #UFchat
11:05 pm AnassaRh: A vamp or were would probably do Thanksgiving with their clan rather than their birth family, if there was a difference. #ufchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Or maybe a good time to reveal ‘something’ when all are together and can be protected/kept an eye on… #UFchat
11:05 pm Sarah_Bromley: Q1b: Well, in case of an attack, there’s certainly plenty of cutlery available to use as a weapon #ufchat
11:05 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: A1: They might meditate on the nature of the holiday and it’s historical significance, spec. in relation to a ‘hidden’ history. #UFCHAT
11:05 pm UF_Chat: @Sarah_Bromley Normalcy – one of these days I’ll have to figure out exactly what that is! LOL #UFchat
11:05 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Ha, yes, that’s true! They would probably attend heavily armed. Possibly would carve the turkey too, for access to knives. #ufchat
11:05 pm MerrieDestefano: I’d guess that it would be more stressful. MC would bring a lot of baggage, with villains dropping in on dinner #UFChat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: Q1c: How might other people?s loved ones ? so prevalent/prominent at this time of year ? impact an MCs missions/movements? #UFchat
11:06 pm AnassaRh: Absolutely. RT @Sarah_Bromley: Q1a: They might be reminded of what’s changed for them, how normalcy isn’t something they can have. #ufchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Thinking of traffic, airplanes, almost like mass migration.. maybe for some species/families/packs it might be.. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:06 pm leapetra: Made it! #ufchat
11:06 pm shadowflame1974: @Sarah_Bromley FOOD FIGHT! might even make it into a game/instruction scene #UFchat
11:06 pm thedragongem: Kitty Norville avoided the holidays if it was during a full moon until she came out #UFCHAT
11:06 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano Right?! I’d totally make sure I had all my concealed weapons handy!! #UFchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Yay! Hi and welcome! #UFchat
11:07 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Axtually good time for all sorts of ‘things’ to move around the country unheeded #UFCHAT
11:07 pm MerrieDestefano: Depending on the lifespan of the MC, he/she would probably be used to this. So, same a cynical attitude. #UFChat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: @thedragongem Good point – weather/moon etc can have an extra effect. Sheesh – talk about problems! #UFchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Agreed! Conspiracy theories abound in my head at the thought… such potential. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:08 pm AnassaRh: A1c: Traffic jams would make it hard to get places on short notice. And bad guys need Thanksgiving too?. Could be an awful weekend. #ufchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: S: Animals in UF are whole topic by themselves so we?ll focus on pets & those that have a special relationship with MCs. #UFchat
11:08 pm shadowflame1974: Depending on the MC all of the issues could be taken as just another phase in life. Others well, they teeter on the edge anyway #UFchat
11:08 pm Sarah_Bromley: @MerrieDestefano Agreed. For those with longer lifespans, it would be just another day. #ufchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: Q2: MCs in UF are generally loners and rarely even have pets ? at least not ones that travel with them. Why is this? #UFchat
11:09 pm MerrieDestefano: Like, dinner at Mom’s, green casserole, check; weapons, check; wait, who’s guarding the gate this time? Crap, it’s me this year. #UFchat
11:09 pm jsmithready: Made it to #ufchat, at least until the oven timer goes off! (Speaking of Thanksgiving) πŸ™‚
11:09 pm UF_Chat: Aside: Traveling with pets is always fun.. OK a challenge. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:09 pm Sarah_Bromley: @shadowflame1974 Of course. Turkey legs make great blunt objects if Aunt Ruth overcooks the poor bird as usual. #ufchat
11:09 pm MerrieDestefano: @Sarah_Bromley Right, and they would be used to dealing with the holidays. #UFchat
11:09 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat less “baggage” to deal with #ufchat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano I’d be more worried if she had me to do the big traditional dish that year! LOL #UFchat
11:10 pm MerrieDestefano: Cool twist could be if MC’s family saw this as a special Holy Day, something that ties in with their supernatural powers. #ufchat
11:10 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: A2: I think some of it comes from the Noir roots of UF (one of the roots anyway) #UFCHAT
11:10 pm shadowflame1974: Q2 can’t always be there to take care of a pet. Would not want to have loose ends if he/she were killed #UFchat
11:10 pm AnassaRh: I think there’s a lack of pets to accent the loner-ness. And if you’re constantly broke, can you afford dogfood? #ufchat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: Q2a: What MCs can you think of that have pets as part of their lifestyle and how does it affect them? #UFchat
11:10 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat Yikes, traveling with pets! #ufchat
11:11 pm jsmithready: @UF_Chat If a vampire is sun-averse, air travel is always tricky. Few late-night flights, and then what about delays? #UFchat
11:11 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat I think it’s about the lack of being connected to anything long term. Gives them grit. LOL #UFchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: S: (2a starter prompts): J. Butcher?s Harry Dresden with Mouse & Mister, @jsmithready?s Ciara with Dexter. #UFchat
11:11 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat I know. What if they all wanted to hold it at YOUR house this year, since their house always ends up trashed by monsters. #ufchat
11:11 pm Sarah_Bromley: @UF_Chat Re Q2a: Pirate the dog from Angie Fox’s “The Accidental Demon Slayer” series annoys the MC. #ufchat
11:12 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready Xtra coffin transport… yikes. The ticking clock + crowd factor makes for racked up tension for sure. #UFchat
11:12 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat Does a shifter side-kick/boyfriend count as a pet? Because Jill Kismet has one. #UFchat
11:12 pm AnassaRh: It’s interesting that there /is/ a lack of pets, given witches’ familiars. Also hellhounds, grims? great pets for half demons! #ufchat
11:12 pm shadowflame1974: @MerrieDestefano lol just hope you have insurance! #UFchat
11:12 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @MerrieDestefano You could hold it at an unpopular relative’s house on purpose! #ufchat
11:12 pm MerrieDestefano: My MC’s have a dog, but they haven’t tried traveling for holidays yet. Grin. #ufchat
11:12 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano Agreed! And that carpenter I stopped dating isn’t going to do me any favors to get it looking good in time either.. #UFchat
11:12 pm thedragongem: Harper Blaine has that ferret #UFCHAT
11:13 pm MerrieDestefano: I can really see this as fodder for tongue-in-cheek writing. #ufchat
11:13 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch I love your weird wicked mind! Perfect for UF. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:13 pm HC_Palmquist: @Ben_Aaronovitch @MerrieDestefano I have a list of relatives I’d be happy to volunteer for that. #UFchat
11:13 pm leapetra: @jsmithready @UF_Chat mine would skip the airport (I gave them a way to teleport) or walk very fast very far. #ufchat
11:13 pm UF_Chat: Q2b: How many of these pets are actually supernatural in some way? #UFchat
11:13 pm AnassaRh: Toby Daye has two Siamese cats, and a cat-like rose goblin. #ufchat
11:13 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: A2: My MC aquired a dog as part of him becoming the MC. #UFCHAT
11:13 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano Agreed! So why hasn’t it been done more? Need a new anthology… πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:13 pm J_GriffinB: I’m late, but here. #ufchat
11:13 pm shadowflame1974: My MC drives a motorcycle and moves all over the states. No room for a pet that way #UFchat
11:14 pm UF_Chat: To rephrase: Q2c: Are there any MCs with pets that are NOT supernatural in some way? #UFchat
11:14 pm Sarah_Bromley: My MC’s love interest has a cat named Tesla. He tore up my YA heroine’s stuffed cat, Edison. #ufchat
11:14 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Q2c: Mister isn’t supernatural (Dresden) #UFCHAT
11:14 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Known two bikers who traveled with pets all over – one was a cat (!) the other a teeny dog… so cute, I mean tough #UFchat
11:14 pm fentonslee: RT @Sarah_Bromley: My MC’s love interest has a cat named Tesla. He tore up my YA heroine’s stuffed cat, Edison. #ufchat // LOVE
11:14 pm jsmithready: @UF_Chat If the pets are supernatural, that could help with the issue of not getting attached to something that will soon die. #UFchat
11:15 pm J_GriffinB: @Sarah_Bromley Very cool. Will YA audience get it? #ufchat
11:15 pm leapetra: @Sarah_Bromley love that! #ufchat
11:15 pm AnassaRh: Two of Toby Daye’s cats are normal? or at least we haven’t been lead to think otherwise. And Harper Blaine’s ferret is normal. #ufchat
11:15 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch True – though I keep waiting for something there.. LOL Maybe the supernatural rubs off in some way too. #UFchat
11:15 pm jsmithready: That is hilarious. RT @Sarah_Bromley: My MC’s love interest has a cat named Tesla. He tore up my YA heroine’s stuffed cat, Edison. #ufchat
11:15 pm thedragongem: Someone needs to have a pet dragon #UFCHAT
11:15 pm Sarah_Bromley: Q2c: Kate Conner from Julie Kenner’s Demon Hunting Soccer Mom series has a cat. I don’t think it’s supernatural. #ufchat
11:15 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Good point, pets that start off normal but… #UFchat
11:16 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready True. Wonder if pets could absorb the supernatural – they’re already sensitive in ways humans aren’t. #UFchat
11:16 pm jsmithready: @leapetra Teleporting! Good solution. But then they have no excuse for not visiting *all* the family. ;-p #ufchat
11:16 pm Sarah_Bromley: @jsmithready πŸ™‚ Glad you find it amusing. #ufchat
11:16 pm UF_Chat: Q2d: How could having a pet adversely affect an MC? #UFchat
11:16 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat Queen Betsy has a cat. #UFchat
11:16 pm UF_Chat: @Sarah_Bromley I have yet to read that series – on my list. #UFchat
11:17 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Responsibility, kennels, finding people to take it in, monster chow #UFchat
11:17 pm jsmithready: @UF_Chat You mean be turned supernatural through the MC’s influence? Interesting. Or do you mean sense it? #UFchat
11:17 pm AnassaRh: Like to see a supernatural pet as sidekick/partner, nt a companion. Then again, haven’t seen many pets, so may be standard already. #ufchat
11:17 pm UF_Chat: Q2e: How could having a pet/special animal be a bonus to an MC? (Think abilities & more) #UFchat
11:17 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat Having painted myself into that corner, ahem, it can hinder traveling alone. #ufchat
11:17 pm leapetra: @jsmithready they can teleport, but they can’t be at all places at once@ #ufchat
11:17 pm AnassaRh: Yes! RT @thedragongem: Someone needs to have a pet dragon #UFCHAT
11:17 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat A2d Blackmail avenue, also potential avenue for magical attack. #ufchat
11:18 pm thedragongem: Constantine has a line that cats always have one foot in hell #UFCHAT
11:18 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready Sense seems to be standard anyway but I meant absorb – change in essence or become more attuned. #UFchat
11:18 pm Sarah_Bromley: Q2d: Pets are an attachment. Attachments makes UF MCs vulnerable. #ufchat
11:18 pm AnassaRh: A2d: Pet gets desperately sick at a crucial point, and it’s save the animal or save the world. #ufchat
11:18 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat One more creature to fight the bad guys. Someone to watch over loved ones when MC is away. #ufchat
11:18 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat That’s actually possible under my magic system #UFchat
11:18 pm shadowflame1974: A pet could be a bonus because a pet doesn’t care if you screwed up or made a wrong decision. pets just love #UFchat
11:19 pm jsmithready: @leapetra Right, but they could visit one family for a few hrs, then another family, etc. In-laws would demand it. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
11:19 pm AnassaRh: Or the pet nobly sacrifices itself, to great grief from the MC? #ufchat
11:19 pm MerrieDestefano: @AnassaRh Oooh, I love your answer! #ufchat
11:19 pm leapetra: I’m afraid I would have my MC’s use their pets in battle. Like the hunters in WOW #ufchat
11:19 pm MerrieDestefano: RT @AnassaRh: A2d: Pet gets desperately sick at a crucial point, and it’s save the animal or save the world. #ufchat
11:20 pm MerrieDestefano: @shadowflame1974 Exactly. Pets don’t care if you have two heads or glow in the dark. #ufchat
11:20 pm jsmithready: @AnassaRh Ack! You can’t kill the dog–that’s Unwritten Rule #1 of all book writing. #ufchat
11:20 pm AnassaRh: Or the pet’s dropped on them unwanted, and MC suddenly has an obligation they didn’t plan for. #ufchat
11:20 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra I think pets would want to be in the battle quite frankly – they see you as family, they defend, fight alongside, natural. #UFchat
11:20 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @leapetra Or used as trackers #ufchat
11:20 pm AnassaRh: @jsmithready Never said it had to be a dog? *grins* But yeah, I get your meaning. #ufchat
11:21 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat @leapetra Unless a cat, which would not be terribly concerned. #ufchat
11:21 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready Agreed – #1 way to make audience/readers hate the protag – have them be cruel to a dog. I hate Holly Golightly. #UFchat
11:21 pm UF_Chat: Q2f: @jsmithready helps shelter dogs find loving homes. Any other connections between author’s attitude to animals & MCs with pets? #UFchat
11:21 pm shadowflame1974: @MariAdkins #UFchat is a urban fantasy chat on Sat afternoons πŸ˜€ great questions
11:21 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat but then the MC’s would have to awesome pets. like a badger. #ufchat
11:22 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Remember virulant anti-Bujold screed sparked by kitten tree #UFCHAT
11:22 pm AnassaRh: A2e: Can’t many pets “sense” the paranormal already? Plus there are psychopomp animals, no? #ufchat
11:22 pm jsmithready: @UF_Chat 2e: In Laura Bickle’s series, her familiar is a giant salamander that channels her magic & protects her. & adorable, too. #UFchat
11:22 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready (And yes – I know it was a cat she threw out of the car but nevertheless..) #UFchat
11:22 pm jsmithready: @UF_Chat I was horrified when the cat was killed in the 1st Sookie book. Hated Sookie for leaving it outside w/vamps around. #1 #UFchat
11:22 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready Agreed on the adorable. Very nice to read -had nice personality without being overwhelming.& still mysterious. #UFchat
11:23 pm AnassaRh: My parents have a huge black dog. He’d make a great Black Dog, if it weren’t for his disposition. #ufchat
11:23 pm leapetra: hmm I am liking the badger idea. I may end up using it. #ufchat
11:23 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Agreed on the sensing paranormal – seems to be accepted by most people who believe in spiritual dimension. #UFchat
11:23 pm UF_Chat: Q2g: What ?real? pets would you like to see an MC have and why? (ie. Not Disney-type sidekicks) #UFchat
11:23 pm J_GriffinB: The horses in campier westerns also get quite a bit of play… #ufchat
11:24 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Mountie’s horse. #ufchat
11:24 pm AnassaRh: Animals that fight alongside their masters and have the muscle/claw/teeth to do damage? Definite plus. #ufchat
11:24 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat cats are easy, but you have to give them great personalities to fit into the story. #ufchat
11:24 pm J_GriffinB: But then it’d be a little less Urban, eh? #ufchat
11:24 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Yes, and aren’t there stories where cats can cross between the worlds? #ufchat
11:24 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Interesting as police horses, for eg, usually have strong relationship with riders & police is oft used in UF. Like. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:24 pm AnassaRh: RT @shadowflame1974: A pet could be a bonus because a pet doesn’t care if you screwed up or made a wrong decision. pets just love #UFchat
11:25 pm UF_Chat: S: Parents rarely referred to/fleshed out in UF. Quote from post on UF clichΓ©s: ?are good parents illegal within city limits…?!?? #UFchat
11:25 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Stories and legends and myths and superstitions I think. Egypt & Bast have a lot to do with that too. #UFchat
11:25 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Yeah, I was thinking of those. πŸ™‚ #ufchat
11:26 pm UF_Chat: Q3: What UF novels/series have living/active parents (incl. long term caregivers ? not mentors but adopters)? #UFchat
11:26 pm shadowflame1974: have you ever seen Lipizzaner stallions? now that would be a UF fighter sidekick #UFchat
11:26 pm Sarah_Bromley: @J_GriffinB My agent didn’t suggest I take it out. It’s a nod, nothing more. Some will get it. Some won’t. I’m okay with that. #ufchat
11:26 pm UF_Chat: Q3a: How many of these parents are an asset to the MC? (ie a ?good? parent?) #UFchat
11:26 pm UF_Chat: Q3b: How can/could parents affect MCs in UF? (negative AND positive) #UFchat
11:26 pm jsmithready: @AnassaRh Shorthand for “Don’t Kill the innocent one.” You could substitute “child” if need be. But somehow dogs are worse. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
11:26 pm J_GriffinB: @Sarah_Bromley @J_GriffinB And I certain;y didn’t mean to imply something wrong with it. Very cool, just wondered. #ufchat
11:27 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Q3 Like friends, noir influence dictates protag without attachments #UFCHAT
11:27 pm UF_Chat: Q3c: What are some ways having a living/involved parent could be a unique asset in UF? #UFchat
11:27 pm Jinxie_G: Oh crap, #UFchat is going on! I almost missed it.
11:27 pm AnassaRh: A2g: Fish die so frequently that they could be a running gag. #ufchat
11:27 pm Sarah_Bromley: @J_GriffinB I didn’t take it that way. πŸ™‚ #ufchat
11:27 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat The parent can take care of the pets. #UFchat
11:28 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @HC_Palmquist Reluctantly LOL #UFchat
11:28 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Agreed – but UF isn’t ‘just’ noir in it’s make-up (though I adore that aspect – it’s what drew me there) #UFchat
11:28 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Q3a “You should really be looking to get married, it’s such a pain when you’ve sprouted hair and fangs, dearie.” #ufchat
11:28 pm UF_Chat: S: Despite the lack of parental figures, the concept of ?legacy? is a strong one in UF (incl. YA). #UFchat
11:28 pm leapetra: @AnassaRh like Lisa and the cats in the Simpsons, None of the deaths were her fault! #ufchat
11:29 pm AnassaRh: I’d also like to see more lesser known pets: rabbits, guinea pigs, hamsters, mice? #ufchat
11:29 pm UF_Chat: Q3d: With an awareness in family of the ?other? in legacies, how might an MC use that to their advantage? #UFchat
11:29 pm J_GriffinB: Previous generation is always a fertile source of plot points in fiction. #ufchat
11:29 pm jsmithready: Gotta run and eat now. Have fun and Happy Thanksgiving! #ufchat
11:29 pm MariAdkins: @shadowflame1974 ah. i see. #UFchat
11:29 pm AnassaRh: And of course, there’s a movement now to raise chickens in cities. #ufchat
11:29 pm Sarah_Bromley: Parents/caregivers are actually very active in my dark YA UF. Avoiding parents is a pet peeve of mine. #ufchat
11:29 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @J_GriffinB Sins of the father and all that… #ufchat
11:29 pm Jinxie_G: @jsmithready Damn it, I missed you. lol #UFchat
11:30 pm AnassaRh: @jsmithready Yeah, understood. So maybe the animal nearly dies? Even though, there is something about brave sacrifice. #ufchat
11:30 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready Thanks for stopping by Jeri! Grateful thanks for your input & expertise. πŸ™‚ Happy Thanksgiving! #UFchat
11:30 pm J_GriffinB: @AnassaRh Toads, frogs as traditional pets of witches. #ufchat
11:30 pm shadowflame1974: @Sarah_Bromley yes I have seen quite a bit of the parents alive in YA but not adult. #UFchat
11:30 pm UF_Chat: S: Parents (esp those w/out resources) also have tendency 2B monster bait or similar victims. #UFchat
11:30 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat in mine, the bloodlines are a major point. But no one realizes it until later on. #ufchat
11:30 pm Sarah_Bromley: Q3d: Family heritage is a great way to develop backstory and bring it into the present. #ufchat
11:30 pm UF_Chat: S cont: (eg Buffy?s mom going along to watch her slaying baddies then discovering a horror of child victims). #UFchat
11:31 pm UF_Chat: Q3e: What are some different ways a UF MC might cope with these scenarios? #UFchat
11:31 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Fading fast guys, gotta go bed, laters #UFCHAT
11:31 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 @Sarah_Bromley Alive but usually well in background though. Parent as a main charac. still rare. #UFchat
11:31 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Be emotionally damaged, drink heavily, fail to meet their parent’s expectations? Oh wait, that’s me. #ufchat
11:31 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch *waves* #UFchat
11:32 pm UF_Chat: Q3f: What about living/daily involved bad parents? How could they be utilized? What do you do with them at Thanksgiving in UF land? #UFchat
11:32 pm AnassaRh: A3 Harper Blaine, Toby Daye, Alexia Tarabotti all have living mothers. In order: self-involved, insane, indifferent. #ufchat
11:32 pm shadowflame1974: @Ben_Aaronovitch night #UFchat
11:32 pm leapetra: Q3e Depends on the parent’s role. I could see it be a source of conflict with each side #ufchat
11:33 pm AnassaRh: Toby gets magic from her mom, and her mom’s fame eases her way at times, but I guess we could call her helpful? #ufchat
11:33 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Um.. *gives you a tissue* #UFchat
11:33 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat In my YA, the MC’s mom is horrible & is a big part of what pushes the MC into the actions she takes, good & bad. #UFchat
11:33 pm UF_Chat: Q3f: What about living/daily involved bad parents? How could they be utilized? What do you do with them at Thanksgiving in UF land? #UFchat
11:33 pm shadowflame1974: I think adult UF seems to have a much more complex parental relationship. Many parents not good role models or not there at all #UFchat
11:33 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Especially for the mixed ‘race’ fantastic. #ufchat
11:33 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat At Thanksgiving, you feed them to the wereturkeys. #UFchat
11:34 pm L_Bushman: RT @HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat At Thanksgiving, you feed them to the wereturkeys. #UFchat
11:34 pm UF_Chat: S: Let?s change focus to kids ? both kids in general and offspring of all ages. #UFchat
11:34 pm shadowflame1974: RT @HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat At Thanksgiving, you feed them to the wereturkeys.>> LOL #UFchat
11:34 pm AnassaRh: Parents can be liability, incentive, reason for MC’s job/attitude, supporters, trainers, antagonist even. #ufchat
11:34 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Jeez so serious today. #ufchat
11:34 pm theMindjuggler: The Juggler tries something new. Peeking in #UFchat
11:34 pm UF_Chat: Q4: What types of kid-characters do you see in UF? #UFchat
11:35 pm AnassaRh: I’m big on MCs with teams and support networks, so idea of involved parents? AWESOME! #ufchat
11:35 pm Jinxie_G: @HC_Palmquist @UF_Chat Ahahahaha! #UFchat
11:35 pm UF_Chat: S: Children in UF are often someone else?s or lost/enigmatic street children/similar or odd supernatural somethings ?not just human. #UFchat
11:35 pm Sarah_Bromley: I’m going to need to bow out. 3 year-old having a meltdown post-nap. It’s been fun. #ufchat
11:36 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB I always hand tissues out. It covers me trying to keep a straight face. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:36 pm UF_Chat: @Sarah_Bromley 😦 My 3 yr old is too – now typing with his help.. erk! #UFchat
11:36 pm shadowflame1974: kids can be the next generation, bait for baddies or even the baddie themselves #UFchat
11:36 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat I think it’s common in UF to focus on the broken elements in society, hence few solid families, more lost children #ufchat
11:36 pm UF_Chat: Q4a: Why do you think that is? (children usually something other than 100% human) #UFchat
11:37 pm UF_Chat: S: There are a few newer novels emerging with MC single moms with daughters around 10yrs but little else. #UFchat
11:37 pm AnassaRh: Knowing that a parent was famous, important, or powerful could give MC leverage and allow them to bluff. #ufchat
11:37 pm UF_Chat: Q4b: What does that say about writing kickass MCs as parents? Why the single-mom, why girls & why that age? #UFchat
11:37 pm AnassaRh: “Mom was powerful witch and you don’t know what I inherited?” #ufchat
11:37 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Because writers always want something special out of their kids (books or real) #ufchat
11:37 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano And changelings too! #UFchat
11:37 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat Q4: It’s the element of the other; not fitting in; feeling different #ufchat
11:38 pm shadowflame1974: Q4a ads to the UF tone. if it is mixed then seen as more vulnerable? #UFchat
11:38 pm UF_Chat: Q4c: Re the supernatural/gifted kids, why is this the trend rather than 100% human? #UFchat
11:38 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat ten? Old enough to know better, most of the time, can run, aren’t seen as threat yet #ufchat
11:38 pm UF_Chat: Q4d: What could be advantages of writing a 100% human kid as major character? (offspring or not ? think MC w kids in daily life) #UFchat
11:38 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat My next UF has a single mom MC with 9-year-old son. #ufchat
11:39 pm shadowflame1974: thinking the single mom with 10yo daughter has the potential of MC to think of how her life started falling apart at that age. #UFchat
11:39 pm AnassaRh: A3f Living bad parents? Great way to get the MC angry or distract them at key moments (nagging phone calls, etc.). #ufchat
11:39 pm thedragongem: Kelley Armstrong’s Women of the Otherworld has kickass mothers #UFCHAT
11:39 pm UF_Chat: Q4e: Tendency for children to be used as monster bait. What are usually overlooked strengths children have could use in UF? #UFchat
11:39 pm leapetra: Q4c you can emphasize the awkwardness of being a teenager. #ufchat
11:40 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano Yay! I’m really enjoying the different ideas you’re putting in your stories/books. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:40 pm AnassaRh: Also, bad parents /could/ be comic relief in a way, constantly misinterpreting MC’s behaviour. #ufchat
11:40 pm AnassaRh: LOL! RT @HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat At Thanksgiving, you feed them to the wereturkeys. #UFchat
11:40 pm UF_Chat: Q4f: What if the child were aware of parents vocation/?others? existence? How could that be used to advantage/disadvantage in UF? #UFchat
11:40 pm shadowflame1974: Q4e smaller size, creative, might see a weakness an adult might not see #UFchat
11:41 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Unexpected threat. Could be more in touch with ‘Other’ more powerful. #ufchat
11:41 pm UF_Chat: Q4g: 100% human kids are not prevalent in Young Adult UF either. Why do you think that is? #UFchat
11:41 pm leapetra: Q4e kids are the best at fighting monsters! They know all about them #ufchat
11:42 pm AnassaRh: A4: I’ve seen street kids and gang members. Also victims and clean-cut schoolkids. #ufchat
11:42 pm UF_Chat: S: In ?olde? fairy tales (which are very similar to UF) kids often (50%+ of time) protags who outwit evil would make UF MCs proud. #UFchat
11:42 pm MerrieDestefano: @leapetra And they believe in them! #ufchat
11:42 pm leapetra: Q4e non UF example. In Wee Free Men She goes home finds the right pan and hits Jenny Greenteeth (using her brother as bait!) #ufchat
11:43 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Agreed! The concept is very much uppermost with kids – and they’re often smart about it too. #UFchat
11:43 pm UF_Chat: Q4h: How could old/dark fairy tales be examples of strong story characters we?d love to read in UF? #UFchat
11:43 pm UF_Chat: S: Thanksgiving tends to revolve around food, food traditions & hearth/home rituals as well as family. #UFchat
11:44 pm UF_Chat: Q5: What is the connection between family & sharing food? #UFchat
11:44 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Harvest ritual. #ufchat
11:44 pm AnassaRh: A4b Why girls? Continuing girl power themes. Why single moms? Same, + more on radar than dads. We see single moms as more stressed. #ufchat
11:44 pm UF_Chat: NOTE: UF is actually very prevalent on middle grade shelves too BTW – supernatural in real world. Almost standard. #UFchat
11:45 pm shadowflame1974: food nourished the body sharing nourishes the relationships between people #UFchat
11:45 pm leapetra: Q4h any kids in fairy tales work. Often they were the ones that figured out the weakness #ufchat
11:45 pm UF_Chat: Q5a: How might that (family, food sharing rituals) be used in UF? #UFchat
11:45 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat Fairy tales often had moral center: don’t hang around with suspicious people, etc. Trying to teach children what not to do. #ufchat
11:45 pm shadowflame1974: @UF_Chat yep both boys bringing home UF themes middle grade and HS #UFchat
11:46 pm AnassaRh: A completely human child would be more imperiled by bad guys than a non-human child. More plot tension! #ufchat
11:46 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat Sustenance, survival, celebration #ufchat
11:46 pm leapetra: Q5a My vampires will still have “dinners” but its only to be polite to the others that can eat food. #ufchat
11:46 pm AnassaRh: Though the monster bait thing is overdone, true. #ufchat
11:46 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano The Grimm brothers are mostly responsible for that – felt all the tales needed that ‘moral center’ so edited. #UFchat
11:47 pm AnassaRh: A4e Children tend to see things more clearly than adults, might have a solution that parents don’t think of. #ufchat
11:47 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat What do you mean: BTW – supernatural in real world. Almost standard. #ufchat *easily confused*
11:47 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano Still useful and interesting of course but a lot of the tales ‘teeth’ were removed. #UFchat
11:47 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Q5a Power runs in the blood, ritual feeds the power, having family near increases the ‘income’ of the ritual. #ufchat
11:47 pm UF_Chat: Q5b: Hard question! What are some family-based food traditions/mythologies that could be made use of in UF? #UFchat
11:47 pm AnassaRh: A kid could sneakily call for backup when MC is stressed. Or could help with research. #ufchat
11:48 pm UF_Chat: S: Every culture has rituals/superstitions about keeping house/hearth safe/protected. (links in resources at end on this too) #UFchat
11:48 pm UF_Chat: Q5c: What are some that could make for good home-based UF plot? #UFchat
11:48 pm MerrieDestefano: @AnassaRh I disagree. Half-human child can be threatened by both humans or creatures. She/he doesn’t fit in anywhere. #ufchat
11:48 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Or be observant because they don’t have preconceptions… #UFchat
11:48 pm AnassaRh: A4g Part human teens: accenting puberty, and wish fulfillment. #ufchat
11:49 pm AnassaRh: Point! RT @MerrieDestefano: I disagree.Half-human child can be threatened by both humans or creatures.S/he doesn’t fit in anywhere. #ufchat
11:49 pm UF_Chat: Q6: Imagine a Thanksgiving meal in which UF MCs attend. What food would be served? Avoided? #UFchat
11:49 pm J_GriffinB: A5b @UF_Chat Cooking brings family together. Perhaps something needs to be eaten at each changing of season to prevent bad things? #ufchat
11:49 pm AnassaRh: Also point! RT @UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Or be observant because they don’t have preconceptions… #UFchat
11:49 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat Yes, I prefer the versions with teeth. The ones that showed what could happen if…#ufchat
11:49 pm J_GriffinB: 12 grapes at New years #ufchat
11:49 pm UF_Chat: Q6a: What unique traditions might these MCs have/start? (Think of all those handy knives for instance πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:50 pm leapetra: Q6 you would have to leave the garlic out, or have extra, depending on who was invited #ufchat
11:50 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano Me too. (Fairy tales are something I’ve studied semi-seriously for yrs – much in common with dark UF) #UFchat
11:50 pm shadowflame1974: I think a family hunt might be in order hehehe #UFchat
11:51 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB I haven’t heard of that one! Whats’ that supposed to signify/prevent? #UFchat
11:51 pm AnassaRh: RT @UF_Chat: NOTE: UF is actually very prevalent on middle grade shelves too BTW – supernatural in real world. Almost standard. #UFchat
11:51 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Potions from vanquished foes in previous books. #ufchat
11:51 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Yeah! Like it! (re family hunt) #UFchat
11:51 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Health, I believe. #ufchat
11:51 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat There are a lot of rich Jewish traditions about sharing food & festivals that could be incorporated. #ufchat
11:51 pm UF_Chat: Q6b: What things might happen at a Thanksgiving gathering where a UF MC (or 2) attend? Within family & from outside? #UFchat
11:51 pm J_GriffinB: One for each month. #ufchat
11:51 pm leapetra: @shadowflame1974 Where I grew up that was the tradition (I’m talking blaze orange and hunting deer.) #ufchat
11:52 pm UF_Chat: S: Household fairies/demons = HUGE in every culture yet barely used in UF. (cont) #UFchat
11:52 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Bickering would be quite fun to observe/write, “Bitch!” “Um, duh?” #ufchat
11:52 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Makes sense. #UFchat
11:52 pm shadowflame1974: @leapetra I was thinking more of a family hunt for some baddies or dinner which ever you prefer #UFchat
11:52 pm UF_Chat: S cont: MCs usually fight away from home, move often, have a ?base? but home isn?t where action is. #UFchat
11:53 pm AnassaRh: A5b Many cultures have a welcome the dead with food and family ritual. Goes back to the Halloween chat. #ufchat
11:53 pm UF_Chat: Q7: How could the inclusion of home creatures/spirits affect a UF MCs home/family? #UFchat
11:53 pm UF_Chat: Q7a: Fire used to be central to homes (hearth & its protection). What UF creatures could get in on this action at family gatherings? #UFchat
11:54 pm UF_Chat: Q7b: Family gatherings in life/cultures often time to pass on wisdom & traditions. What might these be in a UF household? #UFchat
11:54 pm leapetra: @shadowflame1974 true, but imagine it going on during hunting season #ufchat
11:54 pm shadowflame1974: Q7 when they did come “home” it would always be waiting for them. Clean and neat so they could rest/relax #UFchat
11:54 pm MerrieDestefano: Not really UF, but does anyone remember the weird grok ceremony from STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND? #ufchat
11:54 pm AnassaRh: I read @tanyahuff‘s Enchantment Emporium recently. Family are huge bakers of pies and put charms in all food. #ufchat
11:54 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat a7: Depends on what level of intelligence the spirit has. #ufchat
11:54 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh In many ways all the harvest stuff (which Thanksgiving is part of) is connected to Halloween – I like that about it. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:54 pm AnassaRh: Vamps would probably serve blood or people, easy on garlic. Weres would likely go for raw/rare meat. #ufchat
11:55 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano Oh yeah! #UFchat
11:55 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Hearth spirit, “Frying that turkey? I’m gonna burn down the house, you fail to pay me homage.” #ufchat
11:55 pm UF_Chat: Q7b: Family gatherings in life/cultures often time to pass on wisdom & traditions. What might these be in a UF household? #UFchat
11:55 pm leapetra: Q7a I had one, that made his potential GF start a fire by with no matches, because it was an important symbol to him. #ufchat
11:55 pm AnassaRh: Just got this great idea of MC doing something “crazy” at Thanksgiving, and it becomes injoke/tradition without people knowing why. #ufchat
11:56 pm UF_Chat: S: An astute ?UFchatee? mentioned importance of children in packs & how rarely we see that. #UFchat
11:56 pm MerrieDestefano: @shadowflame1974 Like Superman’s Fortress of Solitude. Okay, slipped into fantasy/comic land. #ufchat
11:56 pm rfamovie: Greeings to #ufchat from 8 hour day of #distribU. Art & commerce. Intense.
11:56 pm UF_Chat: Sorry I cannot remember who it was! #UFchat
11:56 pm UF_Chat: Q8: How might a pack Thanksgiving be different from an all-human (or mostly human) one? #UFchat
11:56 pm leapetra: Q7a he was a wild man, making a fire is important to survival, she had to do it. (she passed) #ufchat
11:57 pm UF_Chat: S: Let?s turn the Thanksgiving gathering on its head for a second & look at the ?monsters? for fun. #UFchat
11:57 pm MerrieDestefano: @AnassaRh That sounds like an awesome book! Thanks for sharing. #ufchat
11:57 pm AnassaRh: A7 Lots of cultures with household spirits treat spirits as part of family. Also brownies etc. require food tribute. #ufchat
11:57 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Pack unlikely to celebrate ‘harvest’ more a ‘culling’ #ufchat
11:57 pm UF_Chat: Q9: How might a ?monstrous? Thanksgiving gathering go? #UFchat
11:58 pm MerrieDestefano: @J_GriffinB I love the hearth spirit! =) #ufchat
11:58 pm jamigold: *gah* I saw the tweet from @AnassaRh about #ufchat too late. Sorry!
11:58 pm AnassaRh: A7a Fire? Salamanders, dragons, phoenixes immediately spring to mind. Vamps would avoid hearths, depending on mythology used. #ufchat
11:59 pm leapetra: Q9 Werewolves would be very similar to humans, minus some of the food choices #ufchat
11:59 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Harvest is time of plenty for both carnivores & herbivores – not just about farming but is important to keep hunts going #UFchat
11:59 pm AnassaRh: @JamiGold You’re welcome to join in after the fact. Transcript goes up a few days later, for latecomers to add opinions. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
11:59 pm shawntelle: I miss this every Saturday! Taking the time to listen to urban fantasy chat. πŸ˜€ #ufchat
11:59 pm jamigold: I use Thanksgiving and what that means to bring my mortal and non-mortal characters together. #ufchat
11:59 pm shadowflame1974: depends on if the monsters were human or had human connections. they might have a normal thanksgiving like we do #UFchat
11:59 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh In Red Hot Fury there’s a brief appearance of a phoenix – very interesting. Wish it had been expanded. #UFchat
November 21, 2010
UF_Chat: Q Bonus: What the heck do UF MCs do with all those jack-o-lanterns & pumpkin creatures at Thanksgiving?! #UFchat
J_GriffinB: @shadowflame1974 And also if they can get intoxicated. #ufchat
UF_Chat: @jamigold You’re non mortal characters are American too then? #UFchat
12:01 am shadowflame1974: @J_GriffinB hahahaha #UFchat
12:01 am jamigold: @UF_Chat Living in America, yes. Trying to fit in. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:01 am UF_Chat: @shawntelle *waves* You can always catch up with the transcript & post late comments. I try to include late ones using hashtag. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:01 am AnassaRh: Ooh, random idea: Werebears! They’d be finishing up their pre-hibernation feed around Thanksgiving. #ufchat
12:01 am UF_Chat: S: Turkey Tales Week start at All Things Urban Fantasy tomorrow! (Bad books & great giveaways) #UFchat
12:01 am UF_Chat: @AnassaRh There are a LOT f fairy tales with ‘were-bears – huge potential would like to see. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:01 am UF_Chat: FINAL FUN Q10: What ?turkey awards? would you give to UF & why? (Pls be kind & remember to be thankful for something too!) #UFchat
12:02 am UF_Chat: @jamigold I know the feeling – Thanksgiving impacts you a LOT as someone ‘new’ to the US! #UFchat
12:02 am AnassaRh: A9: If the monsters are villains, we’d get mass kidnappings for feasts. Possibly they could tie it into an (unleashing) ritual. #ufchat
12:03 am AnassaRh: Me too, now I think of it! RT @UF_Chat: There are a LOT f fairy tales with ‘were-bears – huge potential would like to see. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:03 am jamigold: @UF_Chat Yep, I have the Macy’s Parade and football games all as part of their experience too. The whole shebang. #UFchat
12:03 am UF_Chat: @jamigold Just saw your previous tweet. You can follow @UF_chat to get reminders/countdowns on the day and me too (@inkgypsy) πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:04 am UF_Chat: Turkey awards? Anyone? #UFchat
12:04 am UF_Chat: @jamigold So busy – it’s a miracle anything gets done! LOL #UFchat
12:05 am leapetra: in my stories, Thanksgiving dinner would have vampires, humans, werewolves, and berserks, around the table. #ufchat
12:06 am MerrieDestefano: Sorry. Must get back to work. =( Had fun at #ufchat today! *hugs to all*
12:06 am leapetra: slightly off topic: imagine monsters at the black friday sales! #ufchat
12:06 am jamigold: Just followed both of those IDs – Thx! RT @UF_Chat: follow @UF_chat to get reminders/countdowns on the day & me too (@inkgypsy) πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:06 am UF_Chat: Looks like there will be no turkey awards given out to any UF today.. so wrap up next! #UFchat
12:06 am UF_Chat: That?s a wrap for #UFchat today! Resources & some extras on our Thanksgiving themed UF discussion for you next. #UFchat
12:07 am shadowflame1974: @leapetra rofl yea I think they would clear the aisles and be the first in line anywhere #UFchat
12:07 am UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano Thanks for staying so long! Enjoyed seeing your input. πŸ™‚ Happy working! #UFchat
12:07 am jamigold: RT @leapetra: slightly off topic: imagine monsters at the black friday sales! #ufchat <– LOL! As if those stores weren’t crazy enough!
12:07 am UF_Chat: Got a topic you want to chat about? Let me know! (@inkgypsy) I?ll add it to the list & maybe even bump up the chat-date for it. ? #UFchat
12:07 am UF_Chat: Some additional resources on family, kids & other monster bait we love in next few tweets: #UFchat
12:07 am UF_Chat: Turkey Tales week at All Things Urban Fantasy (thanks @abigail_ATUF!) http://bit.ly/9XmQBX #UFchat
12:07 am UF_Chat: Gee mom, what?s with the stake? http://bit.ly/bxALRT (Primer for today?s chat) #UFchat
12:08 am AnassaRh: RT @jamigold: RT @leapetra: slightly off topic: imagine monsters at the black friday sales! #ufchat <– LOL! As if those stores weren’t crazy enough!
12:08 am J_GriffinB: @jamigold Perhaps they already are there, and feeding from the emotional discharge #ufchat
12:08 am UF_Chat: Jeri Smith-Ready (@jsmithready) supports Tails of Hope http://bit.ly/b6Y7lo #UFchat
12:08 am shadowflame1974: on the other hand though, you got to be tough at those Black Friday sales. the baddies might just meet their match #UFchat
12:09 am UF_Chat: @jamigold Oh wow – I know people/family who spend 1/2 of Thanksgiving planning Black Friday runs! (not my cup of tea..) #UFchat
12:09 am UF_Chat: Dexter the Vampire Dog interviews Antoine the Cat http://bit.ly/ce3m9d (characs in @jsmithready?s WMVP series) Read comments too! #UFchat
12:09 am shadowflame1974: @J_GriffinB indeed they might be, or be the ones causing all the misery #UFchat
12:09 am UF_Chat: “Mom” by YA UF author Karen Kincey http://bit.ly/arjdyG (on absent parents & the potential of kickass moms, & moms of UF MCs in UF) #UFchat
12:09 am UF_Chat: The Children of Superheroes Rise Up to Avenge Their Fallen Parents by Kelly Meding http://on.io9.com/bTGeuR #UFchat
12:09 am jamigold: @J_GriffinB Ooo, good point about that. #ufchat
12:09 am leapetra: @shadowflame1974 lol a vamp being beat up by a woman that has to get elmo! #ufchat
12:09 am UF_Chat: 10 Odd Superstitions About Food http://bit.ly/2TvQJc #UFchat
12:10 am UF_Chat: The History of Holiday Superstitions (incl. Thanksgiving) http://bit.ly/aOfWGl #UFchat
12:10 am shadowflame1974: @leapetra lol okay this has got some potential here! #UFchat
12:10 am leapetra: I have to work black friday. After 10 years, you have seen it all. #ufchat
12:10 am UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Sounds very banshee-like. I like banshees… πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:10 am UF_Chat: Why Urban Fantasy Heroes Come From Dysfunctional Families by Suzanne Johnson http://bit.ly/bdQabl #UFchat
12:11 am jamigold: @UF_Chat Thanks for this! I’m sorry I missed most of it. My MC is a wife and mother (5yo son). Interesting dynamics there. #UFchat
12:11 am UF_Chat: Many thanks to @shadowflame1974 for her help today (she knows what she did) πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
12:11 am UF_Chat: #UFchat transcript available on the #UFchat blog in 48hrs-ish, allowing for late comments. Just use the hashtag. ? #UFchat
12:11 am shadowflame1974: @leapetra and since some of the stores open here at midnight very possible! #UFchat
12:12 am shadowflame1974: @UF_Chat no problem at all. Can’t wait until next week! #UFchat
12:12 am leapetra: @shadowflame1974 might be the only time some monsters could shop! #ufchat
12:13 am UF_Chat: May you all have joyful, safe & crazy-free Thanksgiving & enjoy dining with monsters of all sorts. πŸ˜‰ ? @UF_Chat lights out. #UFchat
12:13 am shadowflame1974: have a safe and happy Thanksgiving everyone! #UFchat
12:15 am UF_Chat: @jamigold Oh! Will be interested to read! #UFchat
12:21 am jamigold: @AnassaRh & @HC_Palmquist thanks for the notification about #UFChat . I just didn’t see your tweets until it was too late.
1:05 am ganymeder: RT @leapetra: in my stories, Thanksgiving dinner would have vampires, humans, werewolves, and berserks, around the table. #ufchat

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END OF TRANSCRIPT FOR NOVEMBER 20th, 2010

Happy Thanksgiving to all the US participants and to everyone else, happy end of November/pre-December-madness. May you have feasting and abundance of all sorts – including stories.

Stay tuned to @UF_Chat on Twitter for countdowns and updates.

See you next week! We’ll be happening – even if it’s an abbreviated version (as in shorter time) in nods to all traveling & feasting this weekend.

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)

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