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Transcript from Nov 27, 2010 – Black Friday & beyond: Crowds, collateral damage & instant mobs (shopping hazards in UF!)

While many people were out braving ‘the madding crowd’ (or ‘maddening crowd’ as many may think of it), hunting down bargains and more in the Black Friday+ sales we went ahead and had #UFchat, specifically to talk about crowds in urban fantasy. They’re a standard trope of the action genre and so appear in UF often too but when you add a little super-to-the-natural the potential in crowd scenes – for both the ‘crazy’ and the ‘wow!’ – goes up a few notches.

TOPIC: Crowds, collateral damage & instant mobs (shopping hazards in UF!).

(eg. Throw in a little pack power and the ability to some supernaturals to affect a crowd and you’ve got yourself a crowd scene – UF style.)

Official UFchat questions in YELLOW for easier reading.

Resources/ topic-related links are in BLUE.

Hold onto your hats, your wallets and watch your back – it’s time to shop UF style. πŸ˜‰

MarciSischo: RT @inkgypsy: 30 min countdown to #UFchat! Crowds, collateral damage & instant mobs (shopping hazards in UF!) Get our tips before you hit the mall. 3pmPST
10:44 pm inkgypsy: @MarciSischo Woo hoo! We gonna do us some shoppin’ UF style (hope you have your helmet & body armor ready!) #UFchat
10:45 pm inkgypsy: Bong bong bong! Only 15 mins to #UFchat! From crowd to mob in a 10 sec sale, mix in supernaturals = shopping is dangerous in UF territory!
10:45 pm UF_Chat: Bong bong bong! Only 15 mins to #UFchat! From crowd to mob in a 10 sec sale, mix in supernaturals = shopping is dangerous in UF territory!
10:47 pm MarciSischo: @inkgypsy Collateral damage is a fav. I write for the sheer joy of knocking down buildings and blowing things up. πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:48 pm inkgypsy: @MarciSischo You’re totally our kind of girl! πŸ˜‰ (More stories please – Die Hard UF style? Bring it!) #UFchat
10:50 pm inkgypsy: Swapping hats to my #UFchat mod helmet (need one today!). Boots getting strapped on & body armor too I take my UF shopping seriously! πŸ˜‰
10:51 pm MarciSischo: @inkgypsy Thanks! Although… the DHS is probably now watching my Twitter feed. Fiction, DHS guys! I meant fiction! #UFChat
10:52 pm UF_Chat: Primer for #UFchat early birds: That Horrible Crowd! http://bit.ly/hQhVGG #UFchat
10:52 pm inkgypsy: Primer for #UFchat early birds: That Horrible Crowd! http://bit.ly/hQhVGG #UFchat
10:53 pm shadowflame1974: Ready for some UF collateral damage today! #ufchat
10:54 pm shevdon: Listening in to #UFChat – What’s it about?
10:56 pm MarciSischo: @shevdon Collateral damage & crowds, apparently. πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:57 pm inkgypsy: @Shevdon You’re welcome to drop by, observe, pitch in. πŸ™‚ Tweetchat makes it easy. Just use #UFchat hashtag.
10:57 pm shevdon: @Shevdon But don’t agree that Invasion of Body Snatchers is anti-soviet – depends on perspective #UFChat
10:57 pm shevdon: @inkgypsy Thanks, I will #UFchat
10:57 pm J_GriffinB: @shevdon Urban Fantasy, crowds of people and witnesses to paranormal activity and what it might mean, think… #UFchat
10:58 pm MarciSischo: @shevdon I’ve read that’s the way the author meant it. #UFChat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: 3, 2… & now live with #UFchat! Among seas of strangers in a shopping mall it?s a playground of power for UF locales. #UFchat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: Not sure how many we have on board -many are out doing that scary ‘shopping’ thing – but you guys will be prepared when your turn! #UFchat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: It?s Open Season ? for Crowds! Shopping season & the potential for collateral damage & instant mobs in UF. #UFchat #UFchat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: Reminder: ?S? stands for statement, which will be followed by a ?Q? (a related #UFchat question for discussion). #UFchat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: NEWSFLASH: Zombies invaded multiple major cities in late October (real news folks!) http://bit.ly/gdr7Hv & http://bit.ly/h7cqXv #UFchat
11:01 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat (S) I’d worry about witnesses, were I the typical UF character with a concern over keeping my differences secret. #UFchat
11:01 pm MarciSischo: Gah. I did ten years on front lines in restaurants for Black Friday. Couldn’t drag me out shopping this weekend for $$ or <3! #UFChat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: Q: Those who clicked link saw news of multi city takeover. Civilian reaction varied. Your response: band together or hide out alone? #UFchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Agreed. Me too. #UFchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo I’ve heard some scary stories to rival actual UF plots from this year. *shudder* Grenades, bomb plans… eek. #UFchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: Turns out New York City = very jaded & immediately took it for promo stunt it was. Many Asian populations/tourists freaked tho? #UFchat
11:03 pm MarciSischo: A: Goin’ it alone, at least at first. Let the zeds weed out the idgits, then we can talk about banding together. #UFChat
11:04 pm AuthorWilliam: Checking in for #ufchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: I noted most ?ESPECIALLY ?official? news sources- carefully worded articles to make INSTANTLY clear zombie breakout was a stunt. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: TODAY: We look at hazards of crowds in UF ? collateral damage to instant mobs. What potential foes/friends are MCs shopping amongst? #UFchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: S: Shopping season is upon us and it?s Open Season for crowds! There are many types of strangers-together-type gatherings. #UFchat
11:04 pm shevdon: @inkgypsy I am following #UFChat as a separate stream πŸ™‚
11:04 pm UF_Chat: Q1: Apart from shopping crowds, what are some other ways in which complete strangers voluntarily share the same space? #UFchat
11:04 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat I threw a guy out once for abusing his wife & kid in the restaurant on Black Friday. Smacking them around. πŸ˜› #UFChat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam *waves hi!* #UFchat
11:05 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat a I already have my post-apoco team selected. #UFchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Wow. I hope he was humiliated & learned his lesson (prob not but I hope anyway). #UFchat
11:05 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Airports, trainstations, courts, hospitals, some churches and tourist traps. #UFchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Smart! #UFchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Q1a: What are some (temporarily) closed spaces? (eg elevators, subways) #UFchat
11:06 pm MarciSischo: A2: Biggest draw would be a crowd to watch the show, if your MCs were throwing down on the street. #UFChat
11:06 pm dianapfrancis: movies, trains, planes, rallies, foodlines, #ufchat
11:06 pm AuthorWilliam: RT @UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam *waves hi!*<<< Hi! I’ve missed this chat! πŸ™‚ #ufchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Q1b: What are some more open spaces with high foot traffic? (Hint ? where do you often see security guarding more than $?) #UFchat
11:06 pm MarciSischo: A2: Terry Pratchett had a lot of fun w/ that in Ankh Morpork. #UFChat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: I have some lists coming next so we can discuss next few questions with a broad range in mind. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:07 pm dianapfrancis: closed places: rides at theme parks, submarines, panic rooms, bathrooms, okay, getting silly here #ufchat
11:07 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat A1b Amusement parks, sports venues. #UFchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: @dianapfrancis Not so silly! Bathrooms are scary – potential for conflict & panic high. All xlnt UF scenes. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: S: Some common crowds in UF (used AS CROWDS not just settings): Shopping crowds, cafe/bar crowds, pack/hive gatherings #UFchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: S: Com. crowds cont: raids, zombie hordes, jail cell inmates, police mtngs, college groups, orgies (esp vamps), parties, conventions #UFchat
11:08 pm MarciSischo: Stacia Kane had a scene with zombies attacking MC in the bathroom. That was fun. #UFChat
11:09 pm dianapfrancis: @UF_Chat and prisons. Jail cells. lines of all sorts. #ufchat
11:09 pm MarciSischo: MC beat it with the shower head, if I remember right. #UFChat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: S: Less common crowds in UF: Schools, offices (used as crowd), traffic, elevator groups, subway travelers, bank customers, churches #UFchat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: Q1c: What other under-utilized crowds (used as crowds, not settings) spring to mind that have good conflict potential for UF? #UFchat
11:10 pm MarciSischo: Bar brawl! πŸ˜€ #UFChat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Bathrooms are used a lot in horror movies for a reason. Weird not as much in UF! #UFchat
11:10 pm dianapfrancis: @UF_Chat I’ve used traffic jams. #ufchat
11:10 pm J_GriffinB: A1c) military bases, bowling alley, State debate championships. #UFchat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Yep – bars are one of regular settings in UF – rarely read an all out brawl tho. So much potential. #UFchat
11:10 pm shevdon: A1c I’ve used a funeral quite effectively – lots of emotion, social constraints, and wonderful overtones #UFchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: S: Crowds of strangers can become many things ? allies, enemies & casualties. They?re standard in action movies & therefore UF too. #UFchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: Q2: What are some memorable crowd movie scenes? (& why?) (Hint: horror scenarios have a few?) #UFchat
11:11 pm J_GriffinB: @dianapfrancis Should be natural, the way we are so woefully underprepared for evacuation of our urban centers. #UFchat
11:12 pm UF_Chat: @shevdon Funerals – yes! Graveyards used a lot in UF but usually at night. Tho authors getting more creative recently. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:12 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Gremlins, the bar scene and the movie theater always get me. #UFchat
11:12 pm MarciSischo: Airport, for real. Considering current atmosphere, the panic factor would be astronomical. #UFChat
11:12 pm LdyDisney: @UF_Chat Parking Structures at malls are a good setting… Could be alone, but also a threat of passerbys and parking security. #UFchat
11:12 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Funny – I remember that as a stand out too. #UFchat
11:12 pm JLCoburn: Going to try and keep up with #UFChat for @UF_Chat and hopefully I’ll add something as a former ‘predator’ of crowds. #ufchat
11:12 pm StephanieLMcGee: #UFChat The rooftop scenes in Independence Day come immediately to mind. That calm as the ship opens, and then zap.
11:13 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Airports have that whole teary goodbyes, insanely happy hellos emotional tension too. Useful. #UFchat
11:14 pm UF_Chat: @JLCoburn OK – that was officially scary – and considering the company here you fit right in. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:14 pm UF_Chat: Q2a: What are some crowd behaviors/patterns/responses you can think of? #UFchat
11:14 pm shevdon: Think of the funeral scene in Watchmen – lots of flashbacks, retrospectives, and an emotional payload #ufchat
11:14 pm UF_Chat: S: As per action movies, while UF MCs are usually loners there are usually a few scenes where crowds are present. #UFchat
11:15 pm JLCoburn: #UFChat Places like onboard planes mid flight, boats and large busses they share a lot of the same crowd mentalities. #ufchat
11:15 pm UF_Chat: Q3: What are some memorable scenes of crowds in UF stories? How were they used? #UFchat
11:15 pm MarciSischo: Crowds have a habit of not getting involved. Many instances of crowds watching horrible things & doing nothing. #UFChat
11:15 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat A2a: Asshattery. Groupthink. Add the wrong four people to a crowd, it can get ugly, fast. #UFchat
11:15 pm MarciSischo: They did a study — had someone “mugged” in front of a crowd. People stood and watched. No one helped. #UFChat
11:16 pm UF_Chat: S: Crowds can serve many uses to MCs too, especially when the supernatural is involved. #UFchat
11:16 pm UF_Chat: Q4: How could a crowd be useful to a UF MC? #UFchat
11:16 pm MarciSischo: Only takes one tipper to turn a crowd into a mob, though. Study showed, one or two people getting involved, brings the — #UFChat
11:16 pm MarciSischo: — whole crowd down on you. #UFChat
11:16 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo That’s so scary to me. It’s why we’re told to yell ‘fire’ instead of ‘help!’ – ridiculous. #UFchat
11:16 pm shadowflame1974: crowds could be an energy source or a place to hide #ufchat
11:16 pm JLCoburn: @MarciSischo #UFchat Trust me, pick pockets depend on that ‘shocked awe and watching’. #ufchat
11:17 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo The instigator. (Sounds like a bad movie title) #UFchat
11:17 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Right? Insane. #UFChat
11:17 pm shevdon: Pitchforks, flaming torches, shouting! #ufchat
11:17 pm JLCoburn: #UFchat Someone screaming ‘Thief! My purse!” Makes all eyes turn to them and makes it easy for a predator to slip away. #ufchat
11:17 pm MarciSischo: @JLCoburn I believe it. #UFChat
11:18 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Depends on the purpose of the crowd in the first place. Shoppers unlikely to step in, but protesters a different animal. #UFchat
11:18 pm AuthorWilliam: A4 there is so much energy potential any time you get a crowd moving in one direction or another. Can work with or against the MC #ufchat
11:18 pm AuthorWilliam: RT @shadowflame1974: crowds could be an energy source or a place to hide #ufchat
11:18 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Hiding is easy in a crowd. πŸ™‚ Hard to think of good uses because of the stop n watch thing. #UFchat
11:18 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Not for everyone. #UFchat
11:18 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam Crush! Mind you – if you can harness kinetic energy as one of your powers… lots of potential! #UFchat
11:18 pm MarciSischo: Emotional crowds easily manipulated by one charasmatic character, too. Protest rallies come to mind. #UFChat
11:19 pm AuthorWilliam: Any time you get a “group agreement” as we call it in improv, you can take a simple action or idea to a big impact event. #ufchat
11:19 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat If armed or disturbing of appearance (bloodied, fanged), a person will have a space around them as crowd stampedes to avoid #UFchat
11:19 pm UF_Chat: Q4a: How could a crowd be ACTIVELY used against a UF MC? (beyond prearranged pitchforks & torches πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:20 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat Absolutely! #ufchat
11:20 pm MarciSischo: A4: Mind control. #UFChat
11:20 pm MarciSischo: A4: Panic stampede over MC. #UFChat
11:20 pm shadowflame1974: @J_GriffinB huge amount of confusion too as everyone only sees a little but not the whole thing #ufchat
11:20 pm MarciSischo: A4: People calling the cops on MC. #UFChat
11:20 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Yessss! #UFchat
11:20 pm UF_Chat: S: Crowds have the potential to be allies or executioners. #UFchat
11:21 pm MarciSischo: A4: Youtube era — people taping MC, putting it on the internet. #UFChat
11:21 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat a4a: To point out just how bizarre the character appears to the ruck and run of humanity. #UFchat
11:21 pm UF_Chat: Q5: What are some factors (be specific) that could turn a happy holiday shopping crowd into an angry mob? #UFchat
11:21 pm JLCoburn: A4a: Hampering movement. Giving a villain a way to hide or distract the MC. Perfect setting to relieve the MC of something valuable. #ufchat
11:21 pm AuthorWilliam: @MarciSischo Yes, if crowd can be used as a weapon against the MC by a hidden antagonist..stakes skyrocket #ufchat
11:21 pm shadowflame1974: how about rumors easy to spread with everyone gathered at the same place #ufchat
11:21 pm J_GriffinB: @MarciSischo Or even just recording it on cell phones w/video #UFchat
11:22 pm MarciSischo: A5: The store ran out of Cabbage Patch dolls. #UFChat
11:22 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Ooh nice! Rumors – Chinese whispers even. Talk about confusion-making or rabble rousing! #UFchat
11:22 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat A5 Just one disagreement by a pair of unstable minds. #ufchat
11:22 pm MarciSischo: @J_GriffinB That’s what I was thinking — all those videos of cops beating people up on Youtube, etc. #UFChat
11:22 pm ajackwriting: A bucket of red paint and a scream of “Oh God! He killed her!” would turn a crowd very quickly. #UFchat
11:23 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat A5 Have the Character appear to do something terribly wrong. The were good guy gnoshing on child vamp stirs crowd #UFchat
11:23 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Nice! (news – recording – live viral videos etc) #UFchat
11:23 pm MarciSischo: A5: The villian points at MC and screams, “She’s got the last one!!” Crowd froths at mouth, brawl ensues. #UFChat
11:23 pm shadowflame1974: even something as simple as slight of hand or illusion could turn a crowd #ufchat
11:23 pm AuthorWilliam: Recently I witnessed a Pee wee flag football game become a brawl between the adults. The gas was on and when the match lit? BOOM. #ufchat
11:23 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam Can do if crowd already packed – eg sales rush. #UFchat
11:24 pm MarciSischo: (A5 — Hmm, that’s fun, actually. Might use that one. πŸ˜‰ ) #UFChat
11:24 pm JLCoburn: @MarciSischo Brings up cop beatings. Let’s not forget all the issues crowd control involve. Heightened emotions, easily provoked. #ufchat
11:24 pm UF_Chat: Think about shopping crowds tho – mostly individuals rather than the sales rush/crush. What could turn large lot of shoppers? #UFchat
11:24 pm shadowflame1974: @AuthorWilliam true gather two opposing sides… seen that before #ufchat
11:24 pm UF_Chat: Q5a: What are some things that could unite complete strangers ? for good or bad (& perhaps aid a UF MC in the process)? #UFchat
11:25 pm ajackwriting: A good trick one of my antagonists uses is making the hero’s feet stick to the ground in the middle of a fast moving crowd. #UFchat
11:25 pm AuthorWilliam: @ajackwriting LOL #ufchat
11:25 pm shadowflame1974: Items not marked properly, not enough, or customers know there are only so many at the store #ufchat
11:25 pm MarciSischo: Loose crowds like shoppers more likely to get involved over things like animal abuse, child abuse. #UFChat
11:25 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam Sports events are heightened I think because of physical aspect already there in players – + me vs you teams. #UFchat
11:25 pm MarciSischo: Kick a dog at the mall sometime, all hell will break loose. #UFChat
11:26 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat There are few things that will stir everyone these days. Not everyone is conditioned to take action. #UFchat
11:26 pm MarciSischo: I’ve seen it happen. Some guy got his ass WHUPPED. #UFChat
11:26 pm JLCoburn: A5a: Nationality. A crowd of one nationality is easily brought to bear against someone of a different nationality. Political rallies #ufchat
11:26 pm UF_Chat: @ajackwriting LOL! Ouch. #UFchat
11:26 pm AuthorWilliam: A5a just the rumor of a threat to a child can turn a crowd on whoever the perceived “threat” is #ufchat
11:26 pm shevdon: Just throw money into a crowd – $20 bills everywhere – see what happens – #ufchat
11:26 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Interesting how true that is – more so than if child is hit even. #UFchat
11:27 pm MarciSischo: @shevdon Oh, like the original Batman movie! The Joker did that! #UFChat
11:27 pm AuthorWilliam: RT @JLCoburn: A5a: Nationality. A crowd of one nationality is easily brought to bear against someone of a different nationality. Political rallies #ufchat
11:27 pm J_GriffinB: It is why officers taking a suspect into custody are accused far more often than convicted of beatings, even when video exists. 1/2 #UFchat
11:27 pm JLCoburn: @shevdon It doesn’t even have to be $20s. Toss a large number of $1s and they’ll still go beserk. #ufchat
11:27 pm shevdon: @MarciSischo Money is almost universal #UFChat
11:27 pm annikkawoods: *sneaks in and tucks herself in a corner* #ufchat
11:27 pm UF_Chat: @shevdon Jackpot madness! MC carrying money to use as a weapon in that case! #UFchat
11:28 pm J_GriffinB: People are no longer familiar with what it takes to subdue someone, and they certainly don’t know what is permissible and isn’t. 2/2 #UFchat
11:28 pm MarciSischo: Hi! I see you there, @annikkawoods! #UFChat
11:28 pm UF_Chat: @JLCoburn That’s a pro of American money all being green (I know that’s changing but still)… Good point! #UFchat
11:28 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat @shevdon OMG. So totally using that. *takes notes* #UFChat
11:28 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo *waves* #ufchat
11:28 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat @shevdon Or even the illusion of money or lottery tickets, anything of value. Nice. #UFchat
11:28 pm UF_Chat: @annikkawoods *throws parade in your honor* Oh sorry – missed the sneak part. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:29 pm AuthorWilliam: Anything that touch a crowds since of security can cause them to turn on the “threat” – a misunderstood MC can be in serious trouble #ufchat
11:29 pm UF_Chat: S: In True Blood Season 2 whole town of Bon Temps loses inhibitions under influence of Maenad & becomes dangerous in multi ways. #UFchat
11:29 pm UF_Chat: Q5b: Apart from damage done at the time what could fallout of whole community taken over be to humans & supernaturals? #UFchat
11:29 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat LOL Sorry I’m late. Roommates were having issues & someone needed to play peace keeper/referee. #ufchat
11:30 pm MarciSischo: I think in True Blood, the townsfolk didn’t remember much after the fact. #UFChat
11:30 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat A5b PTSD to the nth power, anyone? Eggs has it so bad he can’t live with himself. #UFchat
11:30 pm UF_Chat: @annikkawoods That’s appropriate for today. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:30 pm MarciSischo: Lost opportunity, there. Can you imagine a crowd remembering those events? #UFChat
11:30 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat Are the Supernaturals the ones doing the taking over? #ufchat
11:30 pm UF_Chat: Q5c: In a UF shopping crowd who would end up being the collateral damage & why? (if crowd lose inhibitions) #UFchat
11:30 pm MarciSischo: “OMG, I slept with so n’ so. I cheated on my wife/husband. I killed a guy.” Etc. #UFChat
11:31 pm shevdon: A shared secret, and shared guilt, can be a very powerful motivation #ufchat
11:31 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Partly I think it’s because they ‘chose’ not to. If we all pretend the facts will go away – right? Wrong. #UFchat
11:31 pm UF_Chat: @shevdon Exactly. #UFchat
11:31 pm MarciSischo: A5 — Kids come to mind, first. Smaller, easily trampled or lost or taken. Also, depnding on actions of crowd? Things could get ugly #UFChat
11:32 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat a5c Depends on the density of the crowd. It is always the small and frail get run over, crushed. #UFchat
11:32 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam It’s your story – what do you prefer? πŸ˜‰ (Seriously – sometimes are power, sometimes are victims) #UFchat
11:32 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat True. #UFChat
11:32 pm UF_Chat: Q5d: What about supernatural collateral damage? Who &/or where would that be? #UFchat
11:33 pm J_GriffinB: a5a though anyone who stands against the will of a mob can get smoked too. #UFchat
11:33 pm UF_Chat: S: Security and police and regular characters in UF, both of the mundane & supernatural types. #UFchat
11:33 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat If Supernaturals and humans are struggling to co-exist and an imperial power steps in, S and H may put aside differences #ufchat
11:33 pm UF_Chat: Q6: What types of crowd control methods are you aware of (peaceful thru forceful)? #UFchat
11:33 pm MarciSischo: How about a reluctant vampire losing his mind in a crowd, slaughtering dozens? #UFChat
11:33 pm JLCoburn: And just think if the MC instigates a crowd to get away from an Antag, then finds out later that a child was trampled. Guilt anyone? #ufchat
11:33 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat a5d If they are required by some organization to keep secret their powers, they are in for a visit from enforcers #UFchat
11:33 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam This is one of those open vs closed world questions too. Makes all the diff where the two meet. #UFchat
11:33 pm MarciSischo: Something like that could raise all sorts of hell in a crowd. #UFChat
11:34 pm ajackwriting: q5d: If the whole town loses it and there’s even a hint of the supernatural then entire town will be alert for weeks on end #UFchat
11:34 pm UF_Chat: @JLCoburn Ack – you know how to twist the knife man! (Are you writing this down? Your book is going to make me cry – hard to do!) #UFchat
11:34 pm JLCoburn: A6: Oh wow…umm…I could spend hours on police procedures for crowd control. Benefits of being a cops kid you know lots of it. #ufchat
11:34 pm annikkawoods: A5 – You also have to look at someone like me w/social anxiety in that. If I were caught in something I’d never leave home again. #ufchat
11:35 pm MarciSischo: RT @JLCoburn: And if the MC instigates a crowd to get away from Antag, then finds out later that a child was trampled. Guilt anyone? #UFChat
11:35 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Yum. And if there were other ‘good’ sharks, er, vamps in crowd who were fine until smelled it.. struggle! #UFchat
11:35 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat a6 Do you really want to know? Much more boring than you’d expect. #UFchat
11:35 pm UF_Chat: @JLCoburn What are some unusual ones? (Looking up procedures reveals fascinating stuff!) #UFchat
11:36 pm shadowflame1974: crowds can be controlled by barriers, restricting the amount of people in 1 place or with police/guards #ufchat
11:36 pm J_GriffinB: @JLCoburn Please go on. #UFchat
11:36 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Ooo, I like the “sharks” idea. Gang of vamps going into a feeding frenzy because 1 n00b screwed up? #UFChat
11:36 pm UF_Chat: Q6a: What additional preparations/tactics might be used by supernatural security teams? #UFchat
11:36 pm JLCoburn: For crowd control, calling in the fire department to hose the crowd isn’t common much anymore. That hose can knock someone flat. #ufchat
11:37 pm UF_Chat: Q7: Speaking of security teams, this group appears to be the bane of many UF MCs. Why? #UFchat
11:37 pm MarciSischo: SWAT and riot control teams come to mind. Fire hoses, rubber bullets, tear gas clouds. #UFChat
11:37 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat If you’re going up against supernaturals, you’re going to be carrying some nasty stuff to take them down for sure. #ufchat
11:37 pm shadowflame1974: Q6a antimagic gear, garlic, crosses and silver bullets #ufchat
11:37 pm shevdon: @UF_Chat Hand out refreshing soda – doped, psychic mind supression, subsonics, riot foam – oops! #UFchat
11:37 pm MarciSischo: Holy water fire hoses? #UFChat
11:37 pm JLCoburn: Usually though, police presence in full riot gear is enough to keep most crowds at little more than a roar. #ufchat
11:38 pm UF_Chat: @annikkawoods Or maybe crazy simple things too – eg salt #UFchat
11:38 pm UF_Chat: @shevdon I’m totally keeping your comments as notes! LOL #UFchat
11:38 pm UF_Chat: S: Social media encourages groups of (often) complete strangers to interact regularly & build connection. (like us!) #UFchat
11:38 pm J_GriffinB: @MarciSischo Fire hoses are not part of the continuum of force for use against crowds in any jurisdiction in the US I am aware of. #UFchat
11:38 pm JLCoburn: A7: Security teams are seen as private sector, so have an agenda that a MC can’t always plot out like they can government. #ufchat
11:38 pm UF_Chat: Q8: How might the age of the internet be used in UF, considering most kick-ass is hand-to-hand? #UFchat
11:39 pm ajackwriting: @UF_Chat Multiple opponents complicates any combat, and that goes x10 for a well trained cohesive teams.Powers wont always save you. #UFchat
11:39 pm annikkawoods: You’ve also got the knockout gas, smoke bombs, flash grenades, and tasers. #ufchat
11:39 pm MarciSischo: @J_GriffinB Not anymore, I don’t think, but maybe you’d bring it back if you had Supes to deal with? #UFChat
11:39 pm J_GriffinB: @shadowflame1974 this would be dependent on how openly aware the society was of the paranormal.. #UFchat
11:39 pm JLCoburn: A8: Just look at how quickly Cooks Source got shut down after one blogger mentioned they stole a recipe. Need I say more? #ufchat
11:39 pm UF_Chat: @JLCoburn Good point. Wonder who’s really in charge – is there a separate agenda happening? #UFchat
11:39 pm AuthorWilliam: A8 following social media GPS updates for an ambush. #ufchat
11:40 pm MarciSischo: A8: Flash mob gone bad? #UFChat
11:40 pm UF_Chat: S: The movie The Net (Sandra Bullock) exposed a loner MC & forced her involvement with people. #UFchat
11:40 pm UF_Chat: Q9: Considering UF often takes place ?now? or in near-future how might loner MCs be forced by tech to use crowds? #UFchat
11:40 pm J_GriffinB: @MarciSischo If you’re able to use it, you’re able to use a significantly higher level of force. #UFchat
11:40 pm shevdon: @UF_Chat ALl this much more difficult in a closed world – the Internet is a persistent record of events #UFchat
11:40 pm ajackwriting: A8 You could use the internet/social media to discredit a damning video as a fake. #UFchat
11:41 pm MarciSischo: Ooo, I like that one! RT @AuthorWilliam: A8 following social media GPS updates for an ambush. #UFChat
11:41 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo I was wondering if someone would bring up flash mobs. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:41 pm J_GriffinB: @AuthorWilliam A8 that has been used against law enforcement. Foul. #UFchat
11:41 pm JLCoburn: There are newer non lethal control methods in development. High decibel sound waves is showing serious promise. #ufchat
11:41 pm J_GriffinB: @JLCoburn I like the sunburn gun, and the vomit beam #UFchat
11:41 pm MarciSischo: @AuthorWilliam Some phone apps will check you automatically for 4Square or Facebook. #UFChat
11:41 pm JLCoburn: @AuthorWilliam That’s why I say sites like foursquare are a stalker’s wet dream. #ufchat
11:42 pm UF_Chat: Is there such a thing as GVMNT issuing an alert to all social networking sites as an override yet? Equiv. of air raid siren? #UFchat
11:42 pm shevdon: @UF_Chat Think CCTV, Mobile phones, Hi-Def video, news helicopters, police surveillance #UFchat
11:42 pm J_GriffinB: @JLCoburn Or a super that has particular dietary needs? #UFchat
11:42 pm UF_Chat: S: Back to daily life. Crowds are used most often as ?collateral damage? or for MC anonymity. #UFchat
11:42 pm annikkawoods: A8: You can use the net like my characters do – secured websites, private chat rooms, & scrambled emails. #ufchat
11:42 pm UF_Chat: Q10: What other uses might a UF MC have for a crowd if they are a) supernatural b) 100% human? #UFchat
11:42 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Could be a good plot. Internetomancy causing deadly flashmobs to appear and savage innocents. Set to music. }:) #UFChat
11:43 pm annikkawoods: A9: If you read the Harper Blaine books you meet Quentin, who does something just like that. He’s very good at it too. #ufchat
11:43 pm JLCoburn: Depending on the time of day, some mobile LED signs have been programed with random color patterns. Almost seizure inducing. #ufchat
11:43 pm AuthorWilliam: @MarciSischo One time I was trying to use twitpic and when I posted it had automatically posted a map and my location along w/ pic #ufchat
11:43 pm UF_Chat: Funny that in internet age info flow is hard to stop yet it’s easier to hide who you are in many ways. #UFchat
11:44 pm JLCoburn: Those things screw with most people, distraction, disorientation. Makes it easier to regain control in the confusion. #ufchat
11:44 pm UF_Chat: Q11: What about disasters ? natural or supernatural? How are crowds used in UF in these situations? #UFchat
11:44 pm MarciSischo: @AuthorWilliam I’ve had similar things happen. πŸ˜› It’s amazing what kind of info sneaks out when you’re not looking. #UFChat
11:44 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam Oh crap! ‘dislike button’ #UFchat
11:45 pm UF_Chat: S: Zombie emergencies have the unique UF privilege of having crowds on bad side and good (usually, tho often they fall apart). #UFchat
11:45 pm annikkawoods: A10: Humans can be used to hide his trail if he’s human. #ufchat
11:45 pm J_GriffinB: @MarciSischo @AuthorWilliam Google is Big Brother. #UFchat
11:45 pm UF_Chat: Q12: What other kinds of UF crowd-vs-crowd situations have potential? #UFchat
11:45 pm JLCoburn: A11: Mainly I’ve only ever seen them used as chaos during disasters, then responding in various ways after the initial event. #ufchat
11:45 pm AuthorWilliam: @MarciSischo I know, I used check in for the first time on FB & now it asks me over and over if it can use my location when I login #ufchat
11:45 pm MarciSischo: A11 — Charlaine Harris used Hurricane Katrina to devastate her vamp population in New Orleans. #UFChat
11:46 pm MarciSischo: @J_GriffinB @AuthorWilliam Yep. It really is. #UFChat
11:46 pm annikkawoods: A10 & A11: Cannon fodder. Bait for something worse. Or just chaos until the situation is back under control. #ufchat
11:46 pm UF_Chat: Q12a: What about packs? Are all packs in UF related? #UFchat
11:46 pm MarciSischo: A11, cont, it changed up the whole political situation in the books. #UFChat
11:46 pm JLCoburn: @J_GriffinB Dietary needs brings to mind the Blood Bath from the first Blade movie. Good way to incite a riot. #ufchat
11:46 pm UF_Chat: Q12b: What are some supernatural/paranormal crowd groups (not teams) to be wary of? #UFchat
11:46 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Separating the undead from the living, if you were to use CS or CN gas, only the undead would be able to stay put. #UFchat
11:47 pm UF_Chat: Q12c: What kind of supernatural/UF crowds would you like to see/explore? #UFchat
11:47 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Or to expose the fakers. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:48 pm UF_Chat: Q13: How might a mole and/or plant be used in a shopping crowd to cause trouble for a UF MC? #UFchat
11:48 pm J_GriffinB: @JLCoburn I was also thinking a cult targeting particular persons for sacrifice or vamps needing AB blood or the like. #UFchat
11:49 pm UF_Chat: Q14: What are the motivating forces (beyond money) of ?normal? everyday crowds? #UFchat
11:49 pm shadowflame1974: Q13 rumors and spying on the MC or perhaps hinting to the MC that he/she needs to be somewhere(Stuck in the crowd) #ufchat
11:49 pm AuthorWilliam: A14: Security #ufchat
11:49 pm UF_Chat: Q15: When does greed as a motivating force no longer work in a crowd? Does it ever go away entirely? #UFchat
11:50 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam By security – do you mean safety/survival? #UFchat
11:50 pm JLCoburn: A14: Think about where you see major crowds. Work commutes, lunch time, parties, concerts, popular street exhibitions. #ufchat
11:50 pm MarciSischo: I expect the majority of the crowd would give up on greed if their lives were in danger. #UFChat
11:50 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam Or information/protection? #UFchat
11:50 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat A14, Sporting events, fandom of any kind. Fun to have shit break out at an SF convention or the like. #UFchat
11:51 pm MarciSischo: But you’d still have some die-hards who’d stick with greed even if the sky were coming down. #UFChat
11:51 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Yet people still go back to Black Friday sales where deaths/violence have happened – 😦 #UFchat
11:51 pm J_GriffinB: the crowd doesn’t run in fear, instead throwing themselves in the way, screaming “FEED FROM ME, YOU STUD!” #UFchat
11:51 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB That WOULD be fun! (So much potential) #UFchat
11:52 pm AuthorWilliam: RT @UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam Or information/protection? <Yes survival, sorry, not the guys/gals with badges and ID’s πŸ™‚ #ufchat
11:52 pm UF_Chat: Q16: What changes a crowd into a mob? What are the differences? Do all mobs need ?instigators/trouble-stirrers?? #UFchat
11:52 pm JLCoburn: @MarciSischo True, there will always be someone willing to risk it to profit from the chaos. #ufchat
11:52 pm MarciSischo: @J_GriffinB OMG. *dies laughing* That would be frickin’ fantastic! #UFChat
11:52 pm UF_Chat: Q16a: What might be some differences in having supernaturals in a crowd-turned-mob vs 100% humans only? #UFchat
11:52 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Let’s you play with tropes, clichΓ©s. #UFchat
11:53 pm JLCoburn: @AuthorWilliam Another security issue could be someone with an alter ego. All it would take is one telepath in the crowd to find em #ufchat
11:53 pm UF_Chat: Q16b: Would martial law be effective against supernatural mobs/groups/takeovers? #UFchat
11:53 pm shadowflame1974: Q16 mob is more a collective mental state. Crowds can be groups of individual Mob would have the same mindset or goal #ufchat
11:53 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Or an instance of outraged emotion visited upon a significant group. #UFchat
11:54 pm MarciSischo: A16: Would depend on the situation, kind of Supes involved, etc, I’d think. #UFChat
11:54 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat In the US? Unequivically, no. We haven’t the capacity to deal with evacuation, let alone locking down populations. #UFchat
11:54 pm UF_Chat: @JLCoburn One telepath makes all the difference.. πŸ˜‰ (Gotta hand Ms. Harris props 4 having premise in her books – lots potential) #UFchat
11:55 pm JLCoburn: A16b: Only if the supernatural powers were already taken into consideration by law enforcement. They would have no way to outfit an #ufchat
11:55 pm UF_Chat: Q16c: How is ?The Mob? different from ?a mob?? Examples of The Mob (& similar orgs.) used in UF? #UFchat
11:55 pm JLCoburn: A16b: entire police force in a short amount of time to deal with supernatural threats. #ufchat
11:55 pm MarciSischo: @J_GriffinB I dunno. We can do it on a small scale, like the CDC will do. Might have more trouble on a larger scale, tho. #UFChat
11:55 pm UF_Chat: [egs @Cameron_Haley?s Mob Rules, @hollyblack?s White Cat ? links to their books included at end] #UFchat
11:56 pm J_GriffinB: @MarciSischo I’d argue that it cannot be done. Look at Katrina. #UFchat
11:56 pm UF_Chat: Q17: Are there any creatures that can influence a crowd/group? How do they/might they do it? #UFchat
11:56 pm JLCoburn: @J_GriffinB Plus US only thinks about evacuation, not containment. Just look at bomb procedures in the airports. Evacuate 2k+ people #ufchat
11:56 pm UF_Chat: Q17a: Are there any crowd-influencing creatures used as MCs in UF? Are they generally benevolent or evil? #UFchat
11:57 pm J_GriffinB: @MarciSischo And we have very limited proof the CDC would be able to handle any significant outbreak. #UFchat
11:57 pm UF_Chat: [Note: Kelly Gay uses Sirens, as do Cat Adams (2 author team), various UF has necromancers controlling zombies/vamps] #UFchat
11:57 pm MarciSischo: @J_GriffinB Yeah, they made a mess of that one. They do better with small towns. Did it in Arizona for that Hunta virus outbreak. #UFChat
11:57 pm UF_Chat: S: Patricia Briggs? use of Marrock (ultimate alpha werewolf) has ?pack power? ? able to control/influence pack THROUGH pack. #UFchat
11:57 pm JLCoburn: A17: Any creature significantly larger than the individual or several individuals typically incite fear and thus can control. #ufchat
11:58 pm J_GriffinB: @JLCoburn It’s because even Martial Law requires an order from someone setting a curfew and otherwise limiting freedoms. #UFchat
11:58 pm UF_Chat: Going to Q20 with some sub questions if y’all can hang in there – creature feature time now! #UFchat
11:58 pm JLCoburn: A17: As for non-supernatural, look how well horses work during Mardi Gras. #ufchat
11:58 pm J_GriffinB: Which will be poitical suicide for any general who contemplates it, let alone goes with it, regardless of necessity. #UFchat
11:59 pm UF_Chat: Q18: Are there any other UF groups/creatures that use crowds/groups to build draw their power from? #UFchat
11:59 pm MarciSischo: Necromancer. Undead hordes FTW, y’all. #UFChat
11:59 pm JLCoburn: A18: Psychic vampires feed off the energy of others/crowds. (Yes, I was a part of Sanguinarium. Why do you ask?) #ufchat
November 28, 2010
UF_Chat: @JLCoburn Was talking to someone other day about how horses cannot be beat for law enforcement in many situations. Hard on them tho. #UFchat
UF_Chat: Q18a: What might be some other ways in which crowds could be used supernaturally? #UFchat
UF_Chat: Q18b: Think of herds, flocks & human mimicking of this behavior. Potential of this concept in UF? (beyond weresheep!) #UFchat
J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat And their riders. Lots of injuries. #UFchat
12:01 am UF_Chat: Q18c: What are some supernatural creatures that tend to work/exist in strong knit groups? How might they be used in UF crowd scenes? #UFchat
12:01 am J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Turn out the vote. #UFchat
12:01 am UF_Chat: 2 Questions left! #UFchat
12:01 am JLCoburn: @UF_Chat Flocks? The Birds. Think of the panic a large group could incite if they start divebombing. #ufchat
12:01 am UF_Chat: Q19: Considering supernatural in UF, faith referred to. What are potential situations faith/religious/church groups could be used? #UFchat
12:02 am MarciSischo: Covens and wolf packs come to mind. #UFChat
12:02 am J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat 18C: A faerie ring should always have its court, no? #UFchat
12:02 am MarciSischo: Just saw Torchwood: Children of Earth last night. Chanting crowds of kids = creepy, btw. #UFChat
12:02 am J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat A19: Elf, Santa’s sleigh powered by belief. #UFchat
12:02 am AuthorWilliam: RT @UF_Chat: Q19: Considering supernatural in UF, faith referred to. What are potential situations faith/religious/church groups could be used? #UFchat
12:02 am UF_Chat: @JLCoburn You notice that movie was never really resolved… the problem didn’t go away. (Love that movie) #UFchat
12:03 am JLCoburn: A19: Mass sacrifice to the Elder Gods! #ufchat
12:03 am AuthorWilliam: A19 Where do we start? lol #ufchat
12:03 am J_GriffinB: @MarciSischo Especially when they are chanting for your death or the death of a class of people. #UFchat
12:03 am UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Yes! And you think they’d do a whole lot more than look pretty… #UFchat
12:03 am MarciSischo: @JLCoburn Ia! Ia! Cthulu f’tagn! #UFChat
12:04 am UF_Chat: @JLCoburn Did you see HBO’s True Blood Season 2? (essentially went there) #UFchat
12:04 am MarciSischo: @JLCoburn *ahem* Sorry. πŸ˜‰ #UFChat
12:04 am AuthorWilliam: In UF the supernatural can sometime seamlessly be connected to faith groups because of the many fantastic beliefs. #ufchat
12:04 am JLCoburn: @UF_Chat No, no cable. Still need to start True Blood from the begining. #ufchat
12:05 am AuthorWilliam: A church group in UF could BE the supernatural group hidden in plain sight. #ufchat
12:05 am shadowflame1974: I’ll see True Blood one of these days I guess #ufchat
12:05 am MarciSischo: @AuthorWilliam Ooo, that could be a neat idea. #UFChat
12:06 am shadowflame1974: @AuthorWilliam that is very true. how much difference between faith and magic? #ufchat
12:06 am TopTv_Shows: RT @shadowflame1974 – I’ll see True Blood one of these days I guess #ufchat
12:06 am AuthorWilliam: A church group and be the lone band of rebels in an oppressed UF society or the dictators. #ufchat
12:06 am JLCoburn: @MarciSischo And I meant you had my adoration with the Necromancer line #ufchat
12:06 am J_GriffinB: @AuthorWilliam Princess of Wands by John Ringo has some very interesting takes on faith as a weapon against evil paranormals. #UFchat
12:06 am MarciSischo: @JLCoburn LOL! Thanks! Undead hordes: the answer to all your problems. #UFChat
12:07 am AuthorWilliam: A UF story could parallel a schism where light and dark sides of the same religion divide and become hostile. #ufchat
12:07 am inkgypsy: FINAL Q20: Crowds ?easy to consider bad potential. What are possible GOOD crowd scenes UF style? (powers, creatures, be creative!) #UFchat
12:08 am inkgypsy: Hey people in #UFchat I think I got kicked off as the mod. 😦 Last parts via the REAL me. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:08 am MarciSischo: A20: Crowd turns on bad guy, like in the Spiderman movies. #UFChat
12:08 am inkgypsy: S: Recent video/performance art brought smile to many faces using ?flash mobs? (random strangers join in ?spontaneous? dance/scene). #UFchat
12:08 am J_GriffinB: @inkgypsy A20: Using the power of a church group to heal someone, some rift between worlds? #UFchat
12:08 am shadowflame1974: @AuthorWilliam I have something similar in one of my short stories not all worked out though still revising #ufchat
12:08 am AuthorWilliam: @shadowflame1974 There’s a lot of room to explore that relationship especially in a fantasy or UF landscape. #ufchat
12:09 am inkgypsy: That?s a wrap for #UFchat today! Resources & some extras on crowds, mobs, innocent (& not-so-much) bystanders coming up.
12:09 am inkgypsy: Got a topic you want to chat about? Let me know! (@inkgypsy) I?ll add it to the list & maybe even bump up the chat-date for it. #UFchat
12:09 am inkgypsy: Some additional resources on crowd control, mob mentality, people packs & collateral damage in next few tweets: #UFchat
12:09 am J_GriffinB: A20 I should have said religious group. #UFchat
12:09 am shadowflame1974: @AuthorWilliam I agree. Huge amount of room to explore. #ufchat
12:09 am AuthorWilliam: @shadowflame1974 My debut novel is a fantasy with UF elements that has a primary theme of faith vs. religion. It’s ripe territory. #ufchat
12:09 am inkgypsy: Today’s primer for #UFchat early birds was: That Horrible Crowd! http://bit.ly/hQhVGG #UFchat
12:10 am JLCoburn: A20: A riot ends up taking out a dictator and putting someone that should be in power on the proverbial throne. #ufchat
12:10 am shadowflame1974: @AuthorWilliam *ads to read list* πŸ˜€ #ufchat
12:10 am inkgypsy: @AuthorWilliam (psst – pimp now! And tell people why UF peeps want to read it!) πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:10 am inkgypsy: The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street (Twilight Zone episode discussion where crowds are key) http://bit.ly/dP1vs6 #UFchat
12:10 am inkgypsy: Mobsourcing: A Term I?ve Been Needing http://bit.ly/ePYZIm #UFchat
12:10 am MarciSischo: @AuthorWilliam Linkage? Name of book? #UFChat
12:10 am inkgypsy: Crowd Management Safety Guidelines for Retailers http://bit.ly/bG0nXj #UFchat
12:11 am shadowflame1974: @JLCoburn or puts in some one who shouldn’t be ruling on the throne! #ufchat
12:11 am inkgypsy: Crowd Management Strategies – Safety Laws that Work http://bit.ly/gitF6d #UFchat
12:11 am inkgypsy: Riot control (Wkipedia) http://bit.ly/gPENBi #UFchat
12:12 am J_GriffinB: The Last Captain, the novel I just submitted; opens with a riot scene, and though it isn’t UF, it is Urban, and SF. #UFchat
12:12 am AuthorWilliam: I am actually in the middle of a BLACK FRIDAY WEEKEND promotion. Signed copies, free shipping+discount #ufchat
12:13 am inkgypsy: Flash mobs (Wikipedia) http://bit.ly/18RBg9 & eg. Freeze http://youtu.be/jwMj3PJDxuo & Sound of Music http://youtu.be/7EYAUazLI9k #ufchat
12:13 am JLCoburn: Side note, anyone that needs help with law enforcement riot control feel free to message me. I try to be a helpful one. #ufchat
12:13 am shadowflame1974: @J_GriffinB USF then hunh πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
12:13 am inkgypsy: Martial Law (by country) (Wikipedia) http://bit.ly/d8XIcT #UFchat #ufchat
12:13 am inkgypsy: Holly Black (@hollyblack) Talks About ?White Cat? (UF novel with magic organized crime) http://bit.ly/eVLuGj #ufchat
12:13 am inkgypsy: Cameron Haley?s (@Cameron_Haley) The Underworld Cycle (Bk 1: Mob Rules ? LA in the midst of an occult gang war) http://bit.ly/fUtGVd #ufchat
12:13 am larissa_sarah: RT @inkgypsy: Holly Black (@hollyblack) Talks About ?White Cat? (UF novel with magic organized crime) http://bit.ly/eVLuGj #ufchat
12:13 am inkgypsy: ?True Blood and Philosophy? ? Ch10 Let the Bon Temps Roll: Sacrifice, Scapegoats & Good Times http://bit.ly/gg7daU (preview) #ufchat
12:14 am shadowflame1974: RT @JLCoburn: Side note, anyone that needs help with law enforcement riot control feel free to message me. I try to be a helpful one #ufchat
12:14 am inkgypsy: #UFchat transcript available on the #UFchat blog in 48hrs-ish, allowing for late comments. Just use the hashtag. ? #ufchat
12:14 am AuthorWilliam: Visit http://www.darkprovince.com – The so called “Dark Province” has modern elements compared to MC’s homeland #ufchat
12:14 am inkgypsy: Many thanks once again to the awesome @shadowflame1974 for her help today! #UFchat #ufchat
12:14 am MarciSischo: Good chat! Thanks, all! πŸ˜€ #UFChat
12:14 am shadowflame1974: @inkgypsy always welcome! #ufchat
12:15 am inkgypsy: Happy shopping season everyone! Watch your wallets and your backs & we?ll see you next week. πŸ˜‰ ? @UF_Chat lights out. #ufchat
12:15 am shadowflame1974: Thanks for the discussion today folks! Hope to see you all next week #ufchat
12:15 am inkgypsy: @MarciSischo Thanks for participating today! Very fun! Be safe & see you next week we hope. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:17 am inkgypsy: It appears I twweted too much as the #UFchat mod? How annoying – will need to set up a second ‘overflow’ account for just in cases… blerg.
12:17 am AuthorWilliam: Bravo @inkgypsy! {applause} #ufchat
12:18 am J_GriffinB: @shadowflame1974 A bit, though it’s told from the point of view of military and civilian police officers, criminals, & agents POVs. #UFchat
12:19 am J_GriffinB: I am LE, and have stood on the line many a time, so feel free to DM any questions you might have. #UFchat
12:20 am shadowflame1974: @J_GriffinB so more of a switching in the POV? most UF is strictly first or third with tight POV #ufchat
12:20 am inkgypsy: @J_GriffinB Now why don’t we see that more? There are places/groups (all over world, diff religions) that do that right now! #UFchat
12:20 am JLCoburn: @J_GriffinB Hey, now I know were to go if I forget something or something seems off . #ufchat
12:21 am inkgypsy: RT @AuthorWilliam: @shadowflame1974 My debut novel is a fantasy with UF elements that has a primary theme of faith vs. religion. It’s ripe territory. #ufchat
12:22 am shadowflame1974: @JLCoburn looking for BetaReaders? #ufchat
12:23 am J_GriffinB: @shadowflame1974 Oh, my POVs are tight. I just (rather stupidly, as far as work-load goes) didn’t restrict myself to one or two… #UFchat
12:23 am LdyDisney: @inkgypsy You did a great job!!! *clapping* #UFchat
12:24 am shadowflame1974: @J_GriffinB oh that’s okay. First novel had 9 or so? *shivers at thoughts on revisions* #ufchat
12:24 am JLCoburn: @shadowflame1974 Still a ways off from that. Will keep you in mind though. #ufchat
12:24 am shadowflame1974: @JLCoburn Cool! πŸ˜€ #ufchat
12:25 am J_GriffinB: @shadowflame1974 I have eight, though the timeline is a straight shot. #UFchat
12:26 am J_GriffinB: My agent has it, should send it this week. #UFchat
12:26 am LdyDisney: Last minute promo… Please vote for Moonlight in the Writing with the Stars contest… http://bit.ly/bL9B86 PR/UF crossover! πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:27 am shadowflame1974: @J_GriffinB well mine has a few plotholes that need bulldozer so..I’ll fix them later after I get through the series I am working on #ufchat
12:28 am Patti_OShea: RT @LdyDisney: Last minute promo… Please vote for Moonlight in the Writing with the Stars contest… http://bit.ly/bL9B86 PR/UF crossover! πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:29 am J_GriffinB: You can see a few excerpts at http://therantinggriffin.blogspot.com/2010/08/snippet-from-last-captain.html #UFchat
12:29 am J_GriffinB: @shadowflame1974 good luck! #UFchat
12:30 am shadowflame1974: @J_GriffinB *takes a look* #ufchat
12:31 am shadowflame1974: @J_GriffinB Nice grabs you right away. #ufchat
12:31 am J_GriffinB: @shadowflame1974 There are more, just run a search for The Last Captain on the blog. #UFchat
12:32 am J_GriffinB: @shadowflame1974 Thanks. Thanks very much. #UFchat
12:53 am JLCoburn: To all my new followers (particularly from #UFChat) I am random, odd, and happy to have you. If I forget to follow back just @ me.
4:25 am hollyblack: RT @inkgypsy: Holly Black (@hollyblack) Talks About ?White Cat? (UF novel with magic organized crime) http://bit.ly/eVLuGj #ufchat
4:46 am EllenKushner: RT @inkgypsy: Holly Black (@hollyblack) Talks About ?White Cat? (UF novel with magic organized crime) http://bit.ly/eVLuGj #ufchat
6:12 am inkgypsy: @MorrigansWitch Hey! Sorry missed this earlier. #UFchat is urban fantasy chat for writers & readers. All welcome every Sat 3pmPST. πŸ™‚
8:35 am AnassaRh: A: In event of zombies, I’ve enough food for several weeks. That should buy me time to cobble together weapons of some sort ? #ufchat
8:36 am AnassaRh: ? at which point, I could get more food and maybe find smart people to be with, ones who’ve seen zombie films. #ufchat
8:38 am AnassaRh: A1: Concerts and other public/cultural events. Protests. Teen parties that get out of control. #ufchat
8:42 am AnassaRh: A1a: Theatres, amusement parks, planes, trains, other forms of transportation. #ufchat
8:44 am AnassaRh: A1b: Schools, public memorials and monuments, major sporting event locations (said as Vancouveite). #ufchat
8:49 am AnassaRh: A2: No spec. scenes come to mind, but have parties, proms, rallies, malls, mobs all used effectively. Parties, proms for busy-ness? #ufchat
8:50 am AnassaRh: A2: ? Rallies for ability to inspire or inspire terror. Mobs for the same. And malls to convey frenzy or separate people. #ufchat
8:55 am gavreads: RT @inkgypsy: Holly Black (@hollyblack) Talks About ?White Cat? (UF novel with magic organized crime) http://bit.ly/eVLuGj #ufchat
9:02 am AnassaRh: A2a: Crowds swarm. They think collectively; the individual disappears. People can do stupid, horrible things because of the mood. #ufchat
9:03 am AnassaRh: A2a: At same time, crowds can be composed of individuals all trying to be alone as much as possible. Leads to ignored surroundings. #ufchat
9:03 am AnassaRh: A2a: I think people become more animalistic, in crowds. #ufchat
9:05 am AnassaRh: A3: I remember a couple supportive crowds of allies. Lilith Saintcrow had one sent out to cover more ground than MC could. #ufchat
9:06 am AnassaRh: There’s also the market scene in Neverwhere, that’s used to set the stage for the hidden world and introduce a few characters. #ufchat
9:09 am AnassaRh: A4: Crowds of allies: brainstorming, more people hunting. Crowds of enemies: turn them on themselves, use mass stupidity to get info #ufchat
9:10 am AnassaRh: Crowds of neutrals: cause panic to delay enemies, use as barrier or hiding place, get a feel for public sentiment/awareness. #ufchat
9:13 am AnassaRh: A4a: Crowds are an easy way to trap or expose someone, or to drive a point home re: isolation, not belonging, dangerousness powers #ufchat
9:13 am AnassaRh: RT @JLCoburn: A4a: Hampering movement. Giving a villain a way to hide or distract the MC. Perfect setting to relieve the MC of something valuable. #ufchat
9:16 am AnassaRh: A5: Bad customer service on Black Friday (or other weekends) could turn a crowd. Long waits. Lack of stock. A Grinch. #ufchat
9:17 am AnassaRh: A5: In more UF terms, a grandstanding antag who knows what they’re doing could sway a crowd quickly. Or an arranged spectacle. #ufchat
9:23 am AnassaRh: A5a: For good: show MC as hero in positively charged environment (or antag as bad in same). Show urgency of situation. #ufchat
9:24 am AnassaRh: Can imagine situation: MC new in town, contacts local UF law enforcement. Depending on pitch, need, etc., could go either way. #ufchat
9:26 am AnassaRh: A5a: For bad: Well, if MC drops in on crowd of antags? XD Or if you gave them something to focus anger on. (Could help/hinder) #ufchat
9:30 am AnassaRh: A5b: Exposure to supernatural = questioning our knowledge, existence of God; existential crises; paranoia and fear, polarization. #ufchat
9:31 am AnassaRh: A5b: If supernatural irrevocably exposed, then everyone needs to cope with that. New rules, new laws, new hierarchies. Turmoil! #ufchat
9:36 am AnassaRh: A5c: Collateral: kids, seniors, small/frail people, salespeople. Anyone without ability to defend or keep up, goes down. #ufchat
9:38 am AnassaRh: And salespeople are could bear brunt of anger, try to stop the mob, be conditioned not to fight. #ufchat
9:42 am AnassaRh: A5d: Anyone could be hit by a spell, moving quickly, in wrong direction, in front of target. Epileptics? Anyone can -> clawed/bitten #ufchat
9:42 am AnassaRh: RT @JLCoburn: And just think if the MC instigates a crowd to get away from an Antag, then finds out later that a child was trampled. Guilt anyone? #ufchat
9:48 am AnassaRh: A6a: If I was a cop in a world with magic, would want to have magical talent (and prepped spells?) on my team. #ufchat
9:50 am AnassaRh: Silver, garlic, stakes: yes. Also salt, since it’s got a number of applications, and a blowtorch? #watchestoomuchSupernatural #ufchat
9:51 am AnassaRh: If there was a way to enchant clothes/vests/armor, or give magical boost to enforcers, I’d probably want that too. #ufchat
9:54 am AnassaRh: A8: Online connections would spread word faster, allow greater range of research, contacts. Rare demon? There’s a forum. Also an app #ufchat
9:55 am AnassaRh: A8: Magic hacking (or hacking in general). Vamps esp. seem to have business sense, which means websites. MC/antag could have blog. #ufchat
9:57 am AnassaRh: Seems like, if you alert the right people (BoingBoing?), world knows w/in hours. Good way to embarrass/destroy/frighten?or get help. #ufchat
9:59 am AnassaRh: Ooh,so if u know where 2 dig, closed becomes open?RT@Shevdon:?more difficult in closed world-Internet is persistent record of events #UFchat
10:00 am AnassaRh: Or to make a damning vid viral? RT @ajackwriting: A8 You could use the internet/social media to discredit a damning video as a fake. #UFchat
10:02 am AnassaRh: Since we’re in the middle of UF/web interface talk, taking moment to rec WebMage series. Hacker descended from Fates, spells as code #ufchat
10:06 am AnassaRh: A10: Someone earlier mentioned MC drawing on crowd energy for power. Lots of potential there. Blanking otherwise. 😦 #ufchat
10:09 am AnassaRh: A12: Well, there’s certainly potential for modern-day “torch+pitchfork vs. paranormal” encounters. #ufchat
10:09 am AnassaRh: And a crowd of vamps/witches/baddies could hold a crowd in thrall, weaponize them, use them as spies. #ufchat
10:10 am AnassaRh: A12a: Don’t see why they’d have to be. Lycanthropy could have arisen several places, several ways. So yes to “racist” battles. #ufchat
10:12 am AnassaRh: A12b: I’d definitely be wary of those thrall crowds I just mentioned. And hives and packs, of course. Or pantheons ? #ufchat
10:13 am AnassaRh: A12c: Actually, it would be neat to see more whole pantheons at work, rather than just a god or two. And maybe an imp swarm? #ufchat
10:15 am AnassaRh: A13: Relaying location and activities to antag, or causing delays in aisles or lines, so MC is stuck there longer. #ufchat
10:17 am AnassaRh: RT @JLCoburn: @AuthorWilliam Another security issue could be someone with an alter ego. All it would take is one telepath in the crowd to find em #ufchat
10:19 am AnassaRh: A16: Mobs have anger, focus. I don’t think they need an instigator if there’s a very, very clear enemy. See: Cooks Source. #ufchat
10:21 am AnassaRh: A16a: Presence of supes in a mob would up the danger, fear, and potential for chaos. And if vamps, and someone bleeds, beware. #ufchat
10:22 am AnassaRh: Or if weres turn not for moon, but heightened emotion? And again, psychic feeding, ambient magic, or mind control could be in play. #ufchat
10:24 am AnassaRh: Q16c: The Mob isn’t a crowd. It’s an organization, a business. It has a political agenda. It’s individuals, following orders? #ufchat
10:25 am AnassaRh: Q16c: ? and therefore there’s potential for disobedience of a kind you don’t see in a mob. #ufchat
10:28 am AnassaRh: A17: No specifics come to mind, but anything that can cause hallucinations or make things “appear”, could be great at crowd control. #ufchat
10:31 am AnassaRh: Folklore via Pratchett: Can control people thru hair, skin, etc. If you raid a hairdresser’s garbage, you can create a crowd. #ufchat
10:37 am AnassaRh: A18b: Insects and arachnids would cause chaos. If supernaturals have an animal phobia/superstition? #ufchat
10:39 am AnassaRh: Ooh! RT@AuthorWilliam: A UF story could parallel a schism where light and dark sides of the same religion divide and become hostile. #ufchat
10:42 am AnassaRh: A19: Religious holidays. KKK-type activities. Religion as repository of info, as Watcher Council with purpose twisted or forgotten. #ufchat
10:42 am AnassaRh: A19: Naturally, any religion that involves god or demon summoning could feature, but that’s been done. Lots. #ufchat
10:44 am AnassaRh: A19: Church or faith could be something the MC turns to in crisis, or is part of daily routine. Many MC atheist/agnostic, no? #ufchat
10:48 am AnassaRh: And that’s it for me and #ufchat tonight, I think. Sorry for the Twitter spam! G’night, all.
11:51 am shevdon: @inkgypsy Thanks, I enjoyed the #ufchat. A bit late for me, though, midnight here. Will try and join next wk. Cheers
November 30, 2010
12:18 am UF_Chat: Aiming to get #UFchat transcript on mob mentalities & other dangers of shopping UF-style up today. Use hashtag to have yur comment included!
12:18 am inkgypsy: Aiming to get #UFchat transcript on mob mentalities & other dangers of shopping UF-style up today. Use hashtag to have yur comment included!
12:25 am inkgypsy: @leapetra Oh please link us! (story that would have fit with #UFchat) I’ll include it so everyone knows where to find it. πŸ™‚
12:54 am inkgypsy: A Black Fri UF story! Perfect for last wks #UFchat. RT @leapetra http://bit.ly/gAsPXS It features my characters dealing with Black Friday

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END OF TRANSCRIPT FOR NOVEMBER 27th, 2010

Happy crazy-season to all! Stay safe and remember ‘most’ bargains aren’t worth risking your life and soul for – especially if the dealer is a slick talking character, standing at the crossroads, fiddle in hand… πŸ˜‰

Stay tuned to @UF_Chat on Twitter for countdowns and updates.

See you next week!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)


Transcript for Nov 20th, 2010 – Slayers with Kids, Pets & Other Monster Bait in Tow (the Thanksgiving concerns of UF MCs)

Here’s our Thanksgiving edition of #UFchat! You didn’t think urban fantasy could be so feel-good-y did you? Well, it’s not so simple – read on… :)

TOPIC: The threat kids, pets & loved ones pose to UF MCs, their monster bait potential & why MCs could STILL have great Thanksgivings.. πŸ˜‰

It’s all about the risks of having loved ones vs the rewards, legacies, superstitions & traditions passed along as only a UF family know how. Oh, and don’t forget the menu for the various different family/pack members and all those handy sharp accessories your MC has stashed on his/hew person – just in case any kind of carving is required. πŸ˜‰

Official UFchat questions in YELLOW for easier reading.

Resources/ topic-related links are in BLUE.

Also: it’s STILL National Novel Writing Month! Or NaNoWriMo (or just NaNo for even shorter) – and it’s the Thanksgiving meltdown/rush-write week! Best wishes to all participating and we hope to hear news of your new UF novels-in-progress soon. We are thankful for every new UF being brought to life!

6:53 am inkgypsy: @jsmithready Also forgot to mention in mail that will do an animals in UF topic for #UFchat sometime, so any answer good for then too. πŸ™‚
8:07 am UF_Chat: #UFchat TODAY! The threat kids/pets /loved ones pose to UF MCs, their monster bait-ness & why MCs can STILL have great Thanksgivings! 3pmPST
8:07 am inkgypsy: #UFchat TODAY! The threat kids/pets /loved ones pose to UF MCs, their monster bait-ness & why MCs can STILL have great Thanksgivings! 3pmPST
2:22 pm jsmithready: @inkgypsy No problem at all! I’m replying as we speak. πŸ™‚ What’s the topic on tonight’s #ufchat? I will actually be home for once (I think.)
2:25 pm shadowflame1974: RT @inkgypsy: #UFchat TODAY! The threat kids/pets /loved ones pose to UF MCs, their monster bait-ness & why MCs can STILL have great Thanksgivings! 3pmPST
5:00 pm UF_Chat: Yes #UFchat is on TODAY! Nov 20th – there’s a Thanksgiving tone to the topic today regarding risks vs rewards of loved ones! 3pmPST Pls RT!
5:00 pm inkgypsy: Yes #UFchat is on TODAY! Nov 20th – there’s a Thanksgiving tone to the topic today regarding risks vs rewards of loved ones! 3pmPST Pls RT!
5:04 pm Patti_OShea: RT @inkgypsy: Yes #UFchat is on TODAY! Nov 20th – there’s a Thanksgiving tone to the topic today regarding risks vs rewards of loved ones! 3pmPST Pls RT!
5:06 pm harleyquinn0887: RT @UF_Chat: Yes #UFchat is on TODAY! Nov 20th – there’s a Thanksgiving tone to the topic today regarding risks vs rewards of loved ones! 3pmPST Pls RT!
6:00 pm UF_Chat: #UFchat today: risks vs rewards of MC having loved ones in UF – bring your gravy (good stuff) & your turkeys (pls no’s!) to table! 3pm PST
6:00 pm inkgypsy: #UFchat today: risks vs rewards of MC having loved ones in UF – bring your gravy (good stuff) & your turkeys (pls no’s!) to table! 3pm PST
6:04 pm MerrieDestefano: RT @inkgypsy: #UFchat TODAY! The threat kids/pets /loved ones pose to UF MCs, their monster bait-ness & why MCs can STILL have great Thanksgivings! 3pmPST
7:35 pm UF_Chat: Thanksgiving themed #UFchat today! Slayers with Kids, Pets & Other Monster Bait in Tow (the Thanksgiving concerns of UF MCs) 3pmPST Pls RT!
7:35 pm inkgypsy: Thanksgiving themed #UFchat today! Slayers with Kids, Pets & Other Monster Bait in Tow (the Thanksgiving concerns of UF MCs) 3pmPST Pls RT!
7:37 pm shadowflame1974: RT @inkgypsy: Thanksgiving themed #UFchat today! Slayers with Kids, Pets & Other Monster Bait in Tow (the Thanksgiving concerns of UF MCs) 3pmPST Pls RT!
8:00 pm UF_Chat: 3 hours till #UFchat TODAY! The Thanksgiving headaches of UF Mcs – the risk vs reward of loved ones in UF 3pm PST/6pmEST
8:00 pm inkgypsy: 3 hours till #UFchat TODAY! The Thanksgiving headaches of UF Mcs – the risk vs reward of loved ones in UF 3pm PST/6pmEST
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9:00 pm inkgypsy: 2 hrs to #UFchat! The threat kids, pets & loved ones pose to UF MCs (monster bait! & more) & why MCs STILL have great Thanksgivings 3pm PST
9:00 pm UF_Chat: 2 hrs to #UFchat! The threat kids, pets & loved ones pose to UF MCs (monster bait! & more) & why MCs STILL have great Thanksgivings 3pm PST
9:35 pm MarciSischo: RT @UF_Chat: 2 hrs to #UFchat! The threat kids, pets & loved ones pose to UF MCs (monster bait! & more) & why MCs STILL have great Thanksgivings 3pm PST
9:42 pm MerrieDestefano: @inkgypsy Hi, sweetie! Hoping to stop by #UFchat today, if I can get caught up in freelance work. =)
10:00 pm inkgypsy: 1 hr to #UFchat! The nightmarish risk of UF MCs loved ones gathering for Thanksgiving & why it’s worth loving monster bait, er, kids/pets.
10:00 pm UF_Chat: 1 hr to #UFchat! The nightmarish risk of UF MCs loved ones gathering for Thanksgiving & why it’s worth loving monster bait, er, kids/pets.
10:07 pm shadowflame1974: RT @inkgypsy: 1 hr to #UFchat! The nightmarish risk of UF MCs loved ones gathering for Thanksgiving & why it’s worth loving monster bait, er, kids/pets.
10:30 pm inkgypsy: 30 mins to #UFchat TODAY! Thanksgiving themed: risk vs reward of having kids, pets, family & other loved ones in a UF MCs life 3pmPST/6pmEST
10:30 pm UF_Chat: 30 mins to #UFchat TODAY! Thanksgiving themed: risk vs reward of having kids, pets, family & other loved ones in a UF MCs life 3pmPST/6pmEST
10:30 pm MaryCDavid: 30 mins to #UFchat TODAY! Thanksgiving themed: risk vs reward of having kids, pets, family & other loved ones in a UF MCs life 3pmPST…
10:44 pm AnassaRh: RT @UF_Chat: 30 mins to #UFchat TODAY! Thanksgiving themed: risk vs reward of having kids, pets, family & other loved ones in a UF MCs life 3pmPST/6pmEST
10:45 pm inkgypsy: 15 minute countdown to #UFchat today – you’ll get the gravy (good stuff) & the turkeys (pls NO!) on monster bait, er, loved ones in UF!
10:45 pm UF_Chat: 15 minute countdown to #UFchat today – you’ll get the gravy (good stuff) & the turkeys (pls NO!) on monster bait, er, loved ones in UF!
10:46 pm shadowflame1974: RT @inkgypsy: 15 minute countdown to #UFchat today – you’ll get the gravy (good stuff) & the turkeys (pls NO!) on monster bait, er, loved ones in UF!
10:46 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @inkgypsy: 15 minute countdown to #UFchat today – you’ll get the gravy (good stuff) & the turkeys (pls NO!) on monster bait, er, loved ones in UF!
10:46 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @UF_Chat: 15 minute countdown to #UFchat today – you’ll get the gravy (good stuff) & the turkeys (pls NO!) on monster bait, er, loved ones in UF!
10:50 pm inkgypsy: Swapping into UFchat mod mode & pulling on my kickass #UFchat boots. (I am thankful for my boots! And for people who wanna chat UF. πŸ˜‰
10:54 pm shadowflame1974: 5 minutes people! 5 minutes #UFchat
10:55 pm AnassaRh: Looking forward to #ufchat today! @hannahnpbowman, you attending?
10:57 pm inkgypsy: #UFchat coming right up! 3pm PST Slayers with Kids, Pets & Other Monster Bait in Tow (the Thanksgiving concerns of UF MCs)
10:58 pm inkgypsy: Primer for #UFchat early birds: Gee mom, what?s with the stake? http://bit.ly/bxALRT #UFchat
10:58 pm inkgypsy: We?re talking about the risk of UF MCs having children, pets or even families and the unused potential of said monster bait. #UFchat
10:59 pm shadowflame1974: 1 minute to go! #UFchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: 3, 2… & now we’re live with #UFchat! Welcome back the Thanksgiving edition of #UFchat! #UFchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: The threat kids, pets & loved ones pose to UF MCs, their monster bait potential & why MCs COULD still have great Thanksgivings.. #UFchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: Reminder: ?S? stands for statement which will be followed by a ?Q? (a related #UFchat question for discussion). #UFchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: S: Thanksgiving is looming in the US & people have loved ones and families uppermost in their minds. That?d include many UF MCs? #UFchat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: Q1: With most MCs being loners, how would such a family focused holiday impact the American MCs? #UFchat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: Toughie I know – don’t worry – I get more specific for you. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:01 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat A! Suicidal despair? #UFchat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: Q1a: Personal impact? (mood, reflections, vows, traditions, etc) #UFchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: Q1b: Professional impact? (eg. many people ? kids & pets too ? travel unusually long distances etc to be with family) #UFchat
11:02 pm Sarah_Bromley: Popping in to #ufchat. Hopefully, I can stay for a bit.
11:02 pm shadowflame1974: Q1 depends on if their friends and adoptive families took them to dinner with them. Some might be depressed, angry, etc #UFchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch LOL! (I totally get that!) #UFchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: @Sarah_Bromley Hiya! thanks for coming, however briefly. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:03 pm shadowflame1974: Q1b might be more likely to tackle something they normally wouldn’t bc of anger issues or loneliness #UFchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Gotta be mixed feelings for sure (like many of us prob.) – families tend toward the not healthy side for UF! #UFchat
11:03 pm AnassaRh: A1 Loner MCs would a) get depressed, lonely, or angry at not attending b) go but really not enjoy it. #ufchat
11:03 pm thedragongem: Depends on if they are part of a pack or not #UFCHAT
11:03 pm AnassaRh: More outgoing MCs would probably have a fine time, provided nothing attacked over the weekend. #ufchat
11:03 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @thedragongem Good point. #UFCHAT
11:04 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh I’m thinking of the outfits they’d wear – probably more weapons than usual… πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:04 pm Sarah_Bromley: Q1a: They might be reminded of what’s changed for them, how normalcy isn’t something they can have. #ufchat
11:04 pm shadowflame1974: or might be a great time for that SO to get in close for some comfort #UFchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: We do have that issues of human MCs vs non-human/part human MCs too… #UFchat
11:05 pm AnassaRh: A vamp or were would probably do Thanksgiving with their clan rather than their birth family, if there was a difference. #ufchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Or maybe a good time to reveal ‘something’ when all are together and can be protected/kept an eye on… #UFchat
11:05 pm Sarah_Bromley: Q1b: Well, in case of an attack, there’s certainly plenty of cutlery available to use as a weapon #ufchat
11:05 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: A1: They might meditate on the nature of the holiday and it’s historical significance, spec. in relation to a ‘hidden’ history. #UFCHAT
11:05 pm UF_Chat: @Sarah_Bromley Normalcy – one of these days I’ll have to figure out exactly what that is! LOL #UFchat
11:05 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Ha, yes, that’s true! They would probably attend heavily armed. Possibly would carve the turkey too, for access to knives. #ufchat
11:05 pm MerrieDestefano: I’d guess that it would be more stressful. MC would bring a lot of baggage, with villains dropping in on dinner #UFChat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: Q1c: How might other people?s loved ones ? so prevalent/prominent at this time of year ? impact an MCs missions/movements? #UFchat
11:06 pm AnassaRh: Absolutely. RT @Sarah_Bromley: Q1a: They might be reminded of what’s changed for them, how normalcy isn’t something they can have. #ufchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Thinking of traffic, airplanes, almost like mass migration.. maybe for some species/families/packs it might be.. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:06 pm leapetra: Made it! #ufchat
11:06 pm shadowflame1974: @Sarah_Bromley FOOD FIGHT! might even make it into a game/instruction scene #UFchat
11:06 pm thedragongem: Kitty Norville avoided the holidays if it was during a full moon until she came out #UFCHAT
11:06 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano Right?! I’d totally make sure I had all my concealed weapons handy!! #UFchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Yay! Hi and welcome! #UFchat
11:07 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Axtually good time for all sorts of ‘things’ to move around the country unheeded #UFCHAT
11:07 pm MerrieDestefano: Depending on the lifespan of the MC, he/she would probably be used to this. So, same a cynical attitude. #UFChat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: @thedragongem Good point – weather/moon etc can have an extra effect. Sheesh – talk about problems! #UFchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Agreed! Conspiracy theories abound in my head at the thought… such potential. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:08 pm AnassaRh: A1c: Traffic jams would make it hard to get places on short notice. And bad guys need Thanksgiving too?. Could be an awful weekend. #ufchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: S: Animals in UF are whole topic by themselves so we?ll focus on pets & those that have a special relationship with MCs. #UFchat
11:08 pm shadowflame1974: Depending on the MC all of the issues could be taken as just another phase in life. Others well, they teeter on the edge anyway #UFchat
11:08 pm Sarah_Bromley: @MerrieDestefano Agreed. For those with longer lifespans, it would be just another day. #ufchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: Q2: MCs in UF are generally loners and rarely even have pets ? at least not ones that travel with them. Why is this? #UFchat
11:09 pm MerrieDestefano: Like, dinner at Mom’s, green casserole, check; weapons, check; wait, who’s guarding the gate this time? Crap, it’s me this year. #UFchat
11:09 pm jsmithready: Made it to #ufchat, at least until the oven timer goes off! (Speaking of Thanksgiving) πŸ™‚
11:09 pm UF_Chat: Aside: Traveling with pets is always fun.. OK a challenge. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:09 pm Sarah_Bromley: @shadowflame1974 Of course. Turkey legs make great blunt objects if Aunt Ruth overcooks the poor bird as usual. #ufchat
11:09 pm MerrieDestefano: @Sarah_Bromley Right, and they would be used to dealing with the holidays. #UFchat
11:09 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat less “baggage” to deal with #ufchat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano I’d be more worried if she had me to do the big traditional dish that year! LOL #UFchat
11:10 pm MerrieDestefano: Cool twist could be if MC’s family saw this as a special Holy Day, something that ties in with their supernatural powers. #ufchat
11:10 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: A2: I think some of it comes from the Noir roots of UF (one of the roots anyway) #UFCHAT
11:10 pm shadowflame1974: Q2 can’t always be there to take care of a pet. Would not want to have loose ends if he/she were killed #UFchat
11:10 pm AnassaRh: I think there’s a lack of pets to accent the loner-ness. And if you’re constantly broke, can you afford dogfood? #ufchat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: Q2a: What MCs can you think of that have pets as part of their lifestyle and how does it affect them? #UFchat
11:10 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat Yikes, traveling with pets! #ufchat
11:11 pm jsmithready: @UF_Chat If a vampire is sun-averse, air travel is always tricky. Few late-night flights, and then what about delays? #UFchat
11:11 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat I think it’s about the lack of being connected to anything long term. Gives them grit. LOL #UFchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: S: (2a starter prompts): J. Butcher?s Harry Dresden with Mouse & Mister, @jsmithready?s Ciara with Dexter. #UFchat
11:11 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat I know. What if they all wanted to hold it at YOUR house this year, since their house always ends up trashed by monsters. #ufchat
11:11 pm Sarah_Bromley: @UF_Chat Re Q2a: Pirate the dog from Angie Fox’s “The Accidental Demon Slayer” series annoys the MC. #ufchat
11:12 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready Xtra coffin transport… yikes. The ticking clock + crowd factor makes for racked up tension for sure. #UFchat
11:12 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat Does a shifter side-kick/boyfriend count as a pet? Because Jill Kismet has one. #UFchat
11:12 pm AnassaRh: It’s interesting that there /is/ a lack of pets, given witches’ familiars. Also hellhounds, grims? great pets for half demons! #ufchat
11:12 pm shadowflame1974: @MerrieDestefano lol just hope you have insurance! #UFchat
11:12 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @MerrieDestefano You could hold it at an unpopular relative’s house on purpose! #ufchat
11:12 pm MerrieDestefano: My MC’s have a dog, but they haven’t tried traveling for holidays yet. Grin. #ufchat
11:12 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano Agreed! And that carpenter I stopped dating isn’t going to do me any favors to get it looking good in time either.. #UFchat
11:12 pm thedragongem: Harper Blaine has that ferret #UFCHAT
11:13 pm MerrieDestefano: I can really see this as fodder for tongue-in-cheek writing. #ufchat
11:13 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch I love your weird wicked mind! Perfect for UF. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:13 pm HC_Palmquist: @Ben_Aaronovitch @MerrieDestefano I have a list of relatives I’d be happy to volunteer for that. #UFchat
11:13 pm leapetra: @jsmithready @UF_Chat mine would skip the airport (I gave them a way to teleport) or walk very fast very far. #ufchat
11:13 pm UF_Chat: Q2b: How many of these pets are actually supernatural in some way? #UFchat
11:13 pm AnassaRh: Toby Daye has two Siamese cats, and a cat-like rose goblin. #ufchat
11:13 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: A2: My MC aquired a dog as part of him becoming the MC. #UFCHAT
11:13 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano Agreed! So why hasn’t it been done more? Need a new anthology… πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:13 pm J_GriffinB: I’m late, but here. #ufchat
11:13 pm shadowflame1974: My MC drives a motorcycle and moves all over the states. No room for a pet that way #UFchat
11:14 pm UF_Chat: To rephrase: Q2c: Are there any MCs with pets that are NOT supernatural in some way? #UFchat
11:14 pm Sarah_Bromley: My MC’s love interest has a cat named Tesla. He tore up my YA heroine’s stuffed cat, Edison. #ufchat
11:14 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Q2c: Mister isn’t supernatural (Dresden) #UFCHAT
11:14 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Known two bikers who traveled with pets all over – one was a cat (!) the other a teeny dog… so cute, I mean tough #UFchat
11:14 pm fentonslee: RT @Sarah_Bromley: My MC’s love interest has a cat named Tesla. He tore up my YA heroine’s stuffed cat, Edison. #ufchat // LOVE
11:14 pm jsmithready: @UF_Chat If the pets are supernatural, that could help with the issue of not getting attached to something that will soon die. #UFchat
11:15 pm J_GriffinB: @Sarah_Bromley Very cool. Will YA audience get it? #ufchat
11:15 pm leapetra: @Sarah_Bromley love that! #ufchat
11:15 pm AnassaRh: Two of Toby Daye’s cats are normal? or at least we haven’t been lead to think otherwise. And Harper Blaine’s ferret is normal. #ufchat
11:15 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch True – though I keep waiting for something there.. LOL Maybe the supernatural rubs off in some way too. #UFchat
11:15 pm jsmithready: That is hilarious. RT @Sarah_Bromley: My MC’s love interest has a cat named Tesla. He tore up my YA heroine’s stuffed cat, Edison. #ufchat
11:15 pm thedragongem: Someone needs to have a pet dragon #UFCHAT
11:15 pm Sarah_Bromley: Q2c: Kate Conner from Julie Kenner’s Demon Hunting Soccer Mom series has a cat. I don’t think it’s supernatural. #ufchat
11:15 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Good point, pets that start off normal but… #UFchat
11:16 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready True. Wonder if pets could absorb the supernatural – they’re already sensitive in ways humans aren’t. #UFchat
11:16 pm jsmithready: @leapetra Teleporting! Good solution. But then they have no excuse for not visiting *all* the family. ;-p #ufchat
11:16 pm Sarah_Bromley: @jsmithready πŸ™‚ Glad you find it amusing. #ufchat
11:16 pm UF_Chat: Q2d: How could having a pet adversely affect an MC? #UFchat
11:16 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat Queen Betsy has a cat. #UFchat
11:16 pm UF_Chat: @Sarah_Bromley I have yet to read that series – on my list. #UFchat
11:17 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Responsibility, kennels, finding people to take it in, monster chow #UFchat
11:17 pm jsmithready: @UF_Chat You mean be turned supernatural through the MC’s influence? Interesting. Or do you mean sense it? #UFchat
11:17 pm AnassaRh: Like to see a supernatural pet as sidekick/partner, nt a companion. Then again, haven’t seen many pets, so may be standard already. #ufchat
11:17 pm UF_Chat: Q2e: How could having a pet/special animal be a bonus to an MC? (Think abilities & more) #UFchat
11:17 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat Having painted myself into that corner, ahem, it can hinder traveling alone. #ufchat
11:17 pm leapetra: @jsmithready they can teleport, but they can’t be at all places at once@ #ufchat
11:17 pm AnassaRh: Yes! RT @thedragongem: Someone needs to have a pet dragon #UFCHAT
11:17 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat A2d Blackmail avenue, also potential avenue for magical attack. #ufchat
11:18 pm thedragongem: Constantine has a line that cats always have one foot in hell #UFCHAT
11:18 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready Sense seems to be standard anyway but I meant absorb – change in essence or become more attuned. #UFchat
11:18 pm Sarah_Bromley: Q2d: Pets are an attachment. Attachments makes UF MCs vulnerable. #ufchat
11:18 pm AnassaRh: A2d: Pet gets desperately sick at a crucial point, and it’s save the animal or save the world. #ufchat
11:18 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat One more creature to fight the bad guys. Someone to watch over loved ones when MC is away. #ufchat
11:18 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat That’s actually possible under my magic system #UFchat
11:18 pm shadowflame1974: A pet could be a bonus because a pet doesn’t care if you screwed up or made a wrong decision. pets just love #UFchat
11:19 pm jsmithready: @leapetra Right, but they could visit one family for a few hrs, then another family, etc. In-laws would demand it. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
11:19 pm AnassaRh: Or the pet nobly sacrifices itself, to great grief from the MC? #ufchat
11:19 pm MerrieDestefano: @AnassaRh Oooh, I love your answer! #ufchat
11:19 pm leapetra: I’m afraid I would have my MC’s use their pets in battle. Like the hunters in WOW #ufchat
11:19 pm MerrieDestefano: RT @AnassaRh: A2d: Pet gets desperately sick at a crucial point, and it’s save the animal or save the world. #ufchat
11:20 pm MerrieDestefano: @shadowflame1974 Exactly. Pets don’t care if you have two heads or glow in the dark. #ufchat
11:20 pm jsmithready: @AnassaRh Ack! You can’t kill the dog–that’s Unwritten Rule #1 of all book writing. #ufchat
11:20 pm AnassaRh: Or the pet’s dropped on them unwanted, and MC suddenly has an obligation they didn’t plan for. #ufchat
11:20 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra I think pets would want to be in the battle quite frankly – they see you as family, they defend, fight alongside, natural. #UFchat
11:20 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @leapetra Or used as trackers #ufchat
11:20 pm AnassaRh: @jsmithready Never said it had to be a dog? *grins* But yeah, I get your meaning. #ufchat
11:21 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat @leapetra Unless a cat, which would not be terribly concerned. #ufchat
11:21 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready Agreed – #1 way to make audience/readers hate the protag – have them be cruel to a dog. I hate Holly Golightly. #UFchat
11:21 pm UF_Chat: Q2f: @jsmithready helps shelter dogs find loving homes. Any other connections between author’s attitude to animals & MCs with pets? #UFchat
11:21 pm shadowflame1974: @MariAdkins #UFchat is a urban fantasy chat on Sat afternoons πŸ˜€ great questions
11:21 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat but then the MC’s would have to awesome pets. like a badger. #ufchat
11:22 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Remember virulant anti-Bujold screed sparked by kitten tree #UFCHAT
11:22 pm AnassaRh: A2e: Can’t many pets “sense” the paranormal already? Plus there are psychopomp animals, no? #ufchat
11:22 pm jsmithready: @UF_Chat 2e: In Laura Bickle’s series, her familiar is a giant salamander that channels her magic & protects her. & adorable, too. #UFchat
11:22 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready (And yes – I know it was a cat she threw out of the car but nevertheless..) #UFchat
11:22 pm jsmithready: @UF_Chat I was horrified when the cat was killed in the 1st Sookie book. Hated Sookie for leaving it outside w/vamps around. #1 #UFchat
11:22 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready Agreed on the adorable. Very nice to read -had nice personality without being overwhelming.& still mysterious. #UFchat
11:23 pm AnassaRh: My parents have a huge black dog. He’d make a great Black Dog, if it weren’t for his disposition. #ufchat
11:23 pm leapetra: hmm I am liking the badger idea. I may end up using it. #ufchat
11:23 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Agreed on the sensing paranormal – seems to be accepted by most people who believe in spiritual dimension. #UFchat
11:23 pm UF_Chat: Q2g: What ?real? pets would you like to see an MC have and why? (ie. Not Disney-type sidekicks) #UFchat
11:23 pm J_GriffinB: The horses in campier westerns also get quite a bit of play… #ufchat
11:24 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Mountie’s horse. #ufchat
11:24 pm AnassaRh: Animals that fight alongside their masters and have the muscle/claw/teeth to do damage? Definite plus. #ufchat
11:24 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat cats are easy, but you have to give them great personalities to fit into the story. #ufchat
11:24 pm J_GriffinB: But then it’d be a little less Urban, eh? #ufchat
11:24 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Yes, and aren’t there stories where cats can cross between the worlds? #ufchat
11:24 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Interesting as police horses, for eg, usually have strong relationship with riders & police is oft used in UF. Like. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:24 pm AnassaRh: RT @shadowflame1974: A pet could be a bonus because a pet doesn’t care if you screwed up or made a wrong decision. pets just love #UFchat
11:25 pm UF_Chat: S: Parents rarely referred to/fleshed out in UF. Quote from post on UF clichΓ©s: ?are good parents illegal within city limits…?!?? #UFchat
11:25 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Stories and legends and myths and superstitions I think. Egypt & Bast have a lot to do with that too. #UFchat
11:25 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Yeah, I was thinking of those. πŸ™‚ #ufchat
11:26 pm UF_Chat: Q3: What UF novels/series have living/active parents (incl. long term caregivers ? not mentors but adopters)? #UFchat
11:26 pm shadowflame1974: have you ever seen Lipizzaner stallions? now that would be a UF fighter sidekick #UFchat
11:26 pm Sarah_Bromley: @J_GriffinB My agent didn’t suggest I take it out. It’s a nod, nothing more. Some will get it. Some won’t. I’m okay with that. #ufchat
11:26 pm UF_Chat: Q3a: How many of these parents are an asset to the MC? (ie a ?good? parent?) #UFchat
11:26 pm UF_Chat: Q3b: How can/could parents affect MCs in UF? (negative AND positive) #UFchat
11:26 pm jsmithready: @AnassaRh Shorthand for “Don’t Kill the innocent one.” You could substitute “child” if need be. But somehow dogs are worse. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
11:26 pm J_GriffinB: @Sarah_Bromley @J_GriffinB And I certain;y didn’t mean to imply something wrong with it. Very cool, just wondered. #ufchat
11:27 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Q3 Like friends, noir influence dictates protag without attachments #UFCHAT
11:27 pm UF_Chat: Q3c: What are some ways having a living/involved parent could be a unique asset in UF? #UFchat
11:27 pm Jinxie_G: Oh crap, #UFchat is going on! I almost missed it.
11:27 pm AnassaRh: A2g: Fish die so frequently that they could be a running gag. #ufchat
11:27 pm Sarah_Bromley: @J_GriffinB I didn’t take it that way. πŸ™‚ #ufchat
11:27 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat The parent can take care of the pets. #UFchat
11:28 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @HC_Palmquist Reluctantly LOL #UFchat
11:28 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Agreed – but UF isn’t ‘just’ noir in it’s make-up (though I adore that aspect – it’s what drew me there) #UFchat
11:28 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Q3a “You should really be looking to get married, it’s such a pain when you’ve sprouted hair and fangs, dearie.” #ufchat
11:28 pm UF_Chat: S: Despite the lack of parental figures, the concept of ?legacy? is a strong one in UF (incl. YA). #UFchat
11:28 pm leapetra: @AnassaRh like Lisa and the cats in the Simpsons, None of the deaths were her fault! #ufchat
11:29 pm AnassaRh: I’d also like to see more lesser known pets: rabbits, guinea pigs, hamsters, mice? #ufchat
11:29 pm UF_Chat: Q3d: With an awareness in family of the ?other? in legacies, how might an MC use that to their advantage? #UFchat
11:29 pm J_GriffinB: Previous generation is always a fertile source of plot points in fiction. #ufchat
11:29 pm jsmithready: Gotta run and eat now. Have fun and Happy Thanksgiving! #ufchat
11:29 pm MariAdkins: @shadowflame1974 ah. i see. #UFchat
11:29 pm AnassaRh: And of course, there’s a movement now to raise chickens in cities. #ufchat
11:29 pm Sarah_Bromley: Parents/caregivers are actually very active in my dark YA UF. Avoiding parents is a pet peeve of mine. #ufchat
11:29 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @J_GriffinB Sins of the father and all that… #ufchat
11:29 pm Jinxie_G: @jsmithready Damn it, I missed you. lol #UFchat
11:30 pm AnassaRh: @jsmithready Yeah, understood. So maybe the animal nearly dies? Even though, there is something about brave sacrifice. #ufchat
11:30 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready Thanks for stopping by Jeri! Grateful thanks for your input & expertise. πŸ™‚ Happy Thanksgiving! #UFchat
11:30 pm J_GriffinB: @AnassaRh Toads, frogs as traditional pets of witches. #ufchat
11:30 pm shadowflame1974: @Sarah_Bromley yes I have seen quite a bit of the parents alive in YA but not adult. #UFchat
11:30 pm UF_Chat: S: Parents (esp those w/out resources) also have tendency 2B monster bait or similar victims. #UFchat
11:30 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat in mine, the bloodlines are a major point. But no one realizes it until later on. #ufchat
11:30 pm Sarah_Bromley: Q3d: Family heritage is a great way to develop backstory and bring it into the present. #ufchat
11:30 pm UF_Chat: S cont: (eg Buffy?s mom going along to watch her slaying baddies then discovering a horror of child victims). #UFchat
11:31 pm UF_Chat: Q3e: What are some different ways a UF MC might cope with these scenarios? #UFchat
11:31 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Fading fast guys, gotta go bed, laters #UFCHAT
11:31 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 @Sarah_Bromley Alive but usually well in background though. Parent as a main charac. still rare. #UFchat
11:31 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Be emotionally damaged, drink heavily, fail to meet their parent’s expectations? Oh wait, that’s me. #ufchat
11:31 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch *waves* #UFchat
11:32 pm UF_Chat: Q3f: What about living/daily involved bad parents? How could they be utilized? What do you do with them at Thanksgiving in UF land? #UFchat
11:32 pm AnassaRh: A3 Harper Blaine, Toby Daye, Alexia Tarabotti all have living mothers. In order: self-involved, insane, indifferent. #ufchat
11:32 pm shadowflame1974: @Ben_Aaronovitch night #UFchat
11:32 pm leapetra: Q3e Depends on the parent’s role. I could see it be a source of conflict with each side #ufchat
11:33 pm AnassaRh: Toby gets magic from her mom, and her mom’s fame eases her way at times, but I guess we could call her helpful? #ufchat
11:33 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Um.. *gives you a tissue* #UFchat
11:33 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat In my YA, the MC’s mom is horrible & is a big part of what pushes the MC into the actions she takes, good & bad. #UFchat
11:33 pm UF_Chat: Q3f: What about living/daily involved bad parents? How could they be utilized? What do you do with them at Thanksgiving in UF land? #UFchat
11:33 pm shadowflame1974: I think adult UF seems to have a much more complex parental relationship. Many parents not good role models or not there at all #UFchat
11:33 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Especially for the mixed ‘race’ fantastic. #ufchat
11:33 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat At Thanksgiving, you feed them to the wereturkeys. #UFchat
11:34 pm L_Bushman: RT @HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat At Thanksgiving, you feed them to the wereturkeys. #UFchat
11:34 pm UF_Chat: S: Let?s change focus to kids ? both kids in general and offspring of all ages. #UFchat
11:34 pm shadowflame1974: RT @HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat At Thanksgiving, you feed them to the wereturkeys.>> LOL #UFchat
11:34 pm AnassaRh: Parents can be liability, incentive, reason for MC’s job/attitude, supporters, trainers, antagonist even. #ufchat
11:34 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Jeez so serious today. #ufchat
11:34 pm theMindjuggler: The Juggler tries something new. Peeking in #UFchat
11:34 pm UF_Chat: Q4: What types of kid-characters do you see in UF? #UFchat
11:35 pm AnassaRh: I’m big on MCs with teams and support networks, so idea of involved parents? AWESOME! #ufchat
11:35 pm Jinxie_G: @HC_Palmquist @UF_Chat Ahahahaha! #UFchat
11:35 pm UF_Chat: S: Children in UF are often someone else?s or lost/enigmatic street children/similar or odd supernatural somethings ?not just human. #UFchat
11:35 pm Sarah_Bromley: I’m going to need to bow out. 3 year-old having a meltdown post-nap. It’s been fun. #ufchat
11:36 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB I always hand tissues out. It covers me trying to keep a straight face. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:36 pm UF_Chat: @Sarah_Bromley 😦 My 3 yr old is too – now typing with his help.. erk! #UFchat
11:36 pm shadowflame1974: kids can be the next generation, bait for baddies or even the baddie themselves #UFchat
11:36 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat I think it’s common in UF to focus on the broken elements in society, hence few solid families, more lost children #ufchat
11:36 pm UF_Chat: Q4a: Why do you think that is? (children usually something other than 100% human) #UFchat
11:37 pm UF_Chat: S: There are a few newer novels emerging with MC single moms with daughters around 10yrs but little else. #UFchat
11:37 pm AnassaRh: Knowing that a parent was famous, important, or powerful could give MC leverage and allow them to bluff. #ufchat
11:37 pm UF_Chat: Q4b: What does that say about writing kickass MCs as parents? Why the single-mom, why girls & why that age? #UFchat
11:37 pm AnassaRh: “Mom was powerful witch and you don’t know what I inherited?” #ufchat
11:37 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Because writers always want something special out of their kids (books or real) #ufchat
11:37 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano And changelings too! #UFchat
11:37 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat Q4: It’s the element of the other; not fitting in; feeling different #ufchat
11:38 pm shadowflame1974: Q4a ads to the UF tone. if it is mixed then seen as more vulnerable? #UFchat
11:38 pm UF_Chat: Q4c: Re the supernatural/gifted kids, why is this the trend rather than 100% human? #UFchat
11:38 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat ten? Old enough to know better, most of the time, can run, aren’t seen as threat yet #ufchat
11:38 pm UF_Chat: Q4d: What could be advantages of writing a 100% human kid as major character? (offspring or not ? think MC w kids in daily life) #UFchat
11:38 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat My next UF has a single mom MC with 9-year-old son. #ufchat
11:39 pm shadowflame1974: thinking the single mom with 10yo daughter has the potential of MC to think of how her life started falling apart at that age. #UFchat
11:39 pm AnassaRh: A3f Living bad parents? Great way to get the MC angry or distract them at key moments (nagging phone calls, etc.). #ufchat
11:39 pm thedragongem: Kelley Armstrong’s Women of the Otherworld has kickass mothers #UFCHAT
11:39 pm UF_Chat: Q4e: Tendency for children to be used as monster bait. What are usually overlooked strengths children have could use in UF? #UFchat
11:39 pm leapetra: Q4c you can emphasize the awkwardness of being a teenager. #ufchat
11:40 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano Yay! I’m really enjoying the different ideas you’re putting in your stories/books. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:40 pm AnassaRh: Also, bad parents /could/ be comic relief in a way, constantly misinterpreting MC’s behaviour. #ufchat
11:40 pm AnassaRh: LOL! RT @HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat At Thanksgiving, you feed them to the wereturkeys. #UFchat
11:40 pm UF_Chat: Q4f: What if the child were aware of parents vocation/?others? existence? How could that be used to advantage/disadvantage in UF? #UFchat
11:40 pm shadowflame1974: Q4e smaller size, creative, might see a weakness an adult might not see #UFchat
11:41 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Unexpected threat. Could be more in touch with ‘Other’ more powerful. #ufchat
11:41 pm UF_Chat: Q4g: 100% human kids are not prevalent in Young Adult UF either. Why do you think that is? #UFchat
11:41 pm leapetra: Q4e kids are the best at fighting monsters! They know all about them #ufchat
11:42 pm AnassaRh: A4: I’ve seen street kids and gang members. Also victims and clean-cut schoolkids. #ufchat
11:42 pm UF_Chat: S: In ?olde? fairy tales (which are very similar to UF) kids often (50%+ of time) protags who outwit evil would make UF MCs proud. #UFchat
11:42 pm MerrieDestefano: @leapetra And they believe in them! #ufchat
11:42 pm leapetra: Q4e non UF example. In Wee Free Men She goes home finds the right pan and hits Jenny Greenteeth (using her brother as bait!) #ufchat
11:43 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Agreed! The concept is very much uppermost with kids – and they’re often smart about it too. #UFchat
11:43 pm UF_Chat: Q4h: How could old/dark fairy tales be examples of strong story characters we?d love to read in UF? #UFchat
11:43 pm UF_Chat: S: Thanksgiving tends to revolve around food, food traditions & hearth/home rituals as well as family. #UFchat
11:44 pm UF_Chat: Q5: What is the connection between family & sharing food? #UFchat
11:44 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Harvest ritual. #ufchat
11:44 pm AnassaRh: A4b Why girls? Continuing girl power themes. Why single moms? Same, + more on radar than dads. We see single moms as more stressed. #ufchat
11:44 pm UF_Chat: NOTE: UF is actually very prevalent on middle grade shelves too BTW – supernatural in real world. Almost standard. #UFchat
11:45 pm shadowflame1974: food nourished the body sharing nourishes the relationships between people #UFchat
11:45 pm leapetra: Q4h any kids in fairy tales work. Often they were the ones that figured out the weakness #ufchat
11:45 pm UF_Chat: Q5a: How might that (family, food sharing rituals) be used in UF? #UFchat
11:45 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat Fairy tales often had moral center: don’t hang around with suspicious people, etc. Trying to teach children what not to do. #ufchat
11:45 pm shadowflame1974: @UF_Chat yep both boys bringing home UF themes middle grade and HS #UFchat
11:46 pm AnassaRh: A completely human child would be more imperiled by bad guys than a non-human child. More plot tension! #ufchat
11:46 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat Sustenance, survival, celebration #ufchat
11:46 pm leapetra: Q5a My vampires will still have “dinners” but its only to be polite to the others that can eat food. #ufchat
11:46 pm AnassaRh: Though the monster bait thing is overdone, true. #ufchat
11:46 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano The Grimm brothers are mostly responsible for that – felt all the tales needed that ‘moral center’ so edited. #UFchat
11:47 pm AnassaRh: A4e Children tend to see things more clearly than adults, might have a solution that parents don’t think of. #ufchat
11:47 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat What do you mean: BTW – supernatural in real world. Almost standard. #ufchat *easily confused*
11:47 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano Still useful and interesting of course but a lot of the tales ‘teeth’ were removed. #UFchat
11:47 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Q5a Power runs in the blood, ritual feeds the power, having family near increases the ‘income’ of the ritual. #ufchat
11:47 pm UF_Chat: Q5b: Hard question! What are some family-based food traditions/mythologies that could be made use of in UF? #UFchat
11:47 pm AnassaRh: A kid could sneakily call for backup when MC is stressed. Or could help with research. #ufchat
11:48 pm UF_Chat: S: Every culture has rituals/superstitions about keeping house/hearth safe/protected. (links in resources at end on this too) #UFchat
11:48 pm UF_Chat: Q5c: What are some that could make for good home-based UF plot? #UFchat
11:48 pm MerrieDestefano: @AnassaRh I disagree. Half-human child can be threatened by both humans or creatures. She/he doesn’t fit in anywhere. #ufchat
11:48 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Or be observant because they don’t have preconceptions… #UFchat
11:48 pm AnassaRh: A4g Part human teens: accenting puberty, and wish fulfillment. #ufchat
11:49 pm AnassaRh: Point! RT @MerrieDestefano: I disagree.Half-human child can be threatened by both humans or creatures.S/he doesn’t fit in anywhere. #ufchat
11:49 pm UF_Chat: Q6: Imagine a Thanksgiving meal in which UF MCs attend. What food would be served? Avoided? #UFchat
11:49 pm J_GriffinB: A5b @UF_Chat Cooking brings family together. Perhaps something needs to be eaten at each changing of season to prevent bad things? #ufchat
11:49 pm AnassaRh: Also point! RT @UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Or be observant because they don’t have preconceptions… #UFchat
11:49 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat Yes, I prefer the versions with teeth. The ones that showed what could happen if…#ufchat
11:49 pm J_GriffinB: 12 grapes at New years #ufchat
11:49 pm UF_Chat: Q6a: What unique traditions might these MCs have/start? (Think of all those handy knives for instance πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:50 pm leapetra: Q6 you would have to leave the garlic out, or have extra, depending on who was invited #ufchat
11:50 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano Me too. (Fairy tales are something I’ve studied semi-seriously for yrs – much in common with dark UF) #UFchat
11:50 pm shadowflame1974: I think a family hunt might be in order hehehe #UFchat
11:51 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB I haven’t heard of that one! Whats’ that supposed to signify/prevent? #UFchat
11:51 pm AnassaRh: RT @UF_Chat: NOTE: UF is actually very prevalent on middle grade shelves too BTW – supernatural in real world. Almost standard. #UFchat
11:51 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Potions from vanquished foes in previous books. #ufchat
11:51 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Yeah! Like it! (re family hunt) #UFchat
11:51 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Health, I believe. #ufchat
11:51 pm MerrieDestefano: @UF_Chat There are a lot of rich Jewish traditions about sharing food & festivals that could be incorporated. #ufchat
11:51 pm UF_Chat: Q6b: What things might happen at a Thanksgiving gathering where a UF MC (or 2) attend? Within family & from outside? #UFchat
11:51 pm J_GriffinB: One for each month. #ufchat
11:51 pm leapetra: @shadowflame1974 Where I grew up that was the tradition (I’m talking blaze orange and hunting deer.) #ufchat
11:52 pm UF_Chat: S: Household fairies/demons = HUGE in every culture yet barely used in UF. (cont) #UFchat
11:52 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Bickering would be quite fun to observe/write, “Bitch!” “Um, duh?” #ufchat
11:52 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Makes sense. #UFchat
11:52 pm shadowflame1974: @leapetra I was thinking more of a family hunt for some baddies or dinner which ever you prefer #UFchat
11:52 pm UF_Chat: S cont: MCs usually fight away from home, move often, have a ?base? but home isn?t where action is. #UFchat
11:53 pm AnassaRh: A5b Many cultures have a welcome the dead with food and family ritual. Goes back to the Halloween chat. #ufchat
11:53 pm UF_Chat: Q7: How could the inclusion of home creatures/spirits affect a UF MCs home/family? #UFchat
11:53 pm UF_Chat: Q7a: Fire used to be central to homes (hearth & its protection). What UF creatures could get in on this action at family gatherings? #UFchat
11:54 pm UF_Chat: Q7b: Family gatherings in life/cultures often time to pass on wisdom & traditions. What might these be in a UF household? #UFchat
11:54 pm leapetra: @shadowflame1974 true, but imagine it going on during hunting season #ufchat
11:54 pm shadowflame1974: Q7 when they did come “home” it would always be waiting for them. Clean and neat so they could rest/relax #UFchat
11:54 pm MerrieDestefano: Not really UF, but does anyone remember the weird grok ceremony from STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND? #ufchat
11:54 pm AnassaRh: I read @tanyahuff‘s Enchantment Emporium recently. Family are huge bakers of pies and put charms in all food. #ufchat
11:54 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat a7: Depends on what level of intelligence the spirit has. #ufchat
11:54 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh In many ways all the harvest stuff (which Thanksgiving is part of) is connected to Halloween – I like that about it. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:54 pm AnassaRh: Vamps would probably serve blood or people, easy on garlic. Weres would likely go for raw/rare meat. #ufchat
11:55 pm UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano Oh yeah! #UFchat
11:55 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Hearth spirit, “Frying that turkey? I’m gonna burn down the house, you fail to pay me homage.” #ufchat
11:55 pm UF_Chat: Q7b: Family gatherings in life/cultures often time to pass on wisdom & traditions. What might these be in a UF household? #UFchat
11:55 pm leapetra: Q7a I had one, that made his potential GF start a fire by with no matches, because it was an important symbol to him. #ufchat
11:55 pm AnassaRh: Just got this great idea of MC doing something “crazy” at Thanksgiving, and it becomes injoke/tradition without people knowing why. #ufchat
11:56 pm UF_Chat: S: An astute ?UFchatee? mentioned importance of children in packs & how rarely we see that. #UFchat
11:56 pm MerrieDestefano: @shadowflame1974 Like Superman’s Fortress of Solitude. Okay, slipped into fantasy/comic land. #ufchat
11:56 pm rfamovie: Greeings to #ufchat from 8 hour day of #distribU. Art & commerce. Intense.
11:56 pm UF_Chat: Sorry I cannot remember who it was! #UFchat
11:56 pm UF_Chat: Q8: How might a pack Thanksgiving be different from an all-human (or mostly human) one? #UFchat
11:56 pm leapetra: Q7a he was a wild man, making a fire is important to survival, she had to do it. (she passed) #ufchat
11:57 pm UF_Chat: S: Let?s turn the Thanksgiving gathering on its head for a second & look at the ?monsters? for fun. #UFchat
11:57 pm MerrieDestefano: @AnassaRh That sounds like an awesome book! Thanks for sharing. #ufchat
11:57 pm AnassaRh: A7 Lots of cultures with household spirits treat spirits as part of family. Also brownies etc. require food tribute. #ufchat
11:57 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Pack unlikely to celebrate ‘harvest’ more a ‘culling’ #ufchat
11:57 pm UF_Chat: Q9: How might a ?monstrous? Thanksgiving gathering go? #UFchat
11:58 pm MerrieDestefano: @J_GriffinB I love the hearth spirit! =) #ufchat
11:58 pm jamigold: *gah* I saw the tweet from @AnassaRh about #ufchat too late. Sorry!
11:58 pm AnassaRh: A7a Fire? Salamanders, dragons, phoenixes immediately spring to mind. Vamps would avoid hearths, depending on mythology used. #ufchat
11:59 pm leapetra: Q9 Werewolves would be very similar to humans, minus some of the food choices #ufchat
11:59 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Harvest is time of plenty for both carnivores & herbivores – not just about farming but is important to keep hunts going #UFchat
11:59 pm AnassaRh: @JamiGold You’re welcome to join in after the fact. Transcript goes up a few days later, for latecomers to add opinions. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
11:59 pm shawntelle: I miss this every Saturday! Taking the time to listen to urban fantasy chat. πŸ˜€ #ufchat
11:59 pm jamigold: I use Thanksgiving and what that means to bring my mortal and non-mortal characters together. #ufchat
11:59 pm shadowflame1974: depends on if the monsters were human or had human connections. they might have a normal thanksgiving like we do #UFchat
11:59 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh In Red Hot Fury there’s a brief appearance of a phoenix – very interesting. Wish it had been expanded. #UFchat
November 21, 2010
UF_Chat: Q Bonus: What the heck do UF MCs do with all those jack-o-lanterns & pumpkin creatures at Thanksgiving?! #UFchat
J_GriffinB: @shadowflame1974 And also if they can get intoxicated. #ufchat
UF_Chat: @jamigold You’re non mortal characters are American too then? #UFchat
12:01 am shadowflame1974: @J_GriffinB hahahaha #UFchat
12:01 am jamigold: @UF_Chat Living in America, yes. Trying to fit in. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:01 am UF_Chat: @shawntelle *waves* You can always catch up with the transcript & post late comments. I try to include late ones using hashtag. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:01 am AnassaRh: Ooh, random idea: Werebears! They’d be finishing up their pre-hibernation feed around Thanksgiving. #ufchat
12:01 am UF_Chat: S: Turkey Tales Week start at All Things Urban Fantasy tomorrow! (Bad books & great giveaways) #UFchat
12:01 am UF_Chat: @AnassaRh There are a LOT f fairy tales with ‘were-bears – huge potential would like to see. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:01 am UF_Chat: FINAL FUN Q10: What ?turkey awards? would you give to UF & why? (Pls be kind & remember to be thankful for something too!) #UFchat
12:02 am UF_Chat: @jamigold I know the feeling – Thanksgiving impacts you a LOT as someone ‘new’ to the US! #UFchat
12:02 am AnassaRh: A9: If the monsters are villains, we’d get mass kidnappings for feasts. Possibly they could tie it into an (unleashing) ritual. #ufchat
12:03 am AnassaRh: Me too, now I think of it! RT @UF_Chat: There are a LOT f fairy tales with ‘were-bears – huge potential would like to see. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:03 am jamigold: @UF_Chat Yep, I have the Macy’s Parade and football games all as part of their experience too. The whole shebang. #UFchat
12:03 am UF_Chat: @jamigold Just saw your previous tweet. You can follow @UF_chat to get reminders/countdowns on the day and me too (@inkgypsy) πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:04 am UF_Chat: Turkey awards? Anyone? #UFchat
12:04 am UF_Chat: @jamigold So busy – it’s a miracle anything gets done! LOL #UFchat
12:05 am leapetra: in my stories, Thanksgiving dinner would have vampires, humans, werewolves, and berserks, around the table. #ufchat
12:06 am MerrieDestefano: Sorry. Must get back to work. =( Had fun at #ufchat today! *hugs to all*
12:06 am leapetra: slightly off topic: imagine monsters at the black friday sales! #ufchat
12:06 am jamigold: Just followed both of those IDs – Thx! RT @UF_Chat: follow @UF_chat to get reminders/countdowns on the day & me too (@inkgypsy) πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:06 am UF_Chat: Looks like there will be no turkey awards given out to any UF today.. so wrap up next! #UFchat
12:06 am UF_Chat: That?s a wrap for #UFchat today! Resources & some extras on our Thanksgiving themed UF discussion for you next. #UFchat
12:07 am shadowflame1974: @leapetra rofl yea I think they would clear the aisles and be the first in line anywhere #UFchat
12:07 am UF_Chat: @MerrieDestefano Thanks for staying so long! Enjoyed seeing your input. πŸ™‚ Happy working! #UFchat
12:07 am jamigold: RT @leapetra: slightly off topic: imagine monsters at the black friday sales! #ufchat <– LOL! As if those stores weren’t crazy enough!
12:07 am UF_Chat: Got a topic you want to chat about? Let me know! (@inkgypsy) I?ll add it to the list & maybe even bump up the chat-date for it. ? #UFchat
12:07 am UF_Chat: Some additional resources on family, kids & other monster bait we love in next few tweets: #UFchat
12:07 am UF_Chat: Turkey Tales week at All Things Urban Fantasy (thanks @abigail_ATUF!) http://bit.ly/9XmQBX #UFchat
12:07 am UF_Chat: Gee mom, what?s with the stake? http://bit.ly/bxALRT (Primer for today?s chat) #UFchat
12:08 am AnassaRh: RT @jamigold: RT @leapetra: slightly off topic: imagine monsters at the black friday sales! #ufchat <– LOL! As if those stores weren’t crazy enough!
12:08 am J_GriffinB: @jamigold Perhaps they already are there, and feeding from the emotional discharge #ufchat
12:08 am UF_Chat: Jeri Smith-Ready (@jsmithready) supports Tails of Hope http://bit.ly/b6Y7lo #UFchat
12:08 am shadowflame1974: on the other hand though, you got to be tough at those Black Friday sales. the baddies might just meet their match #UFchat
12:09 am UF_Chat: @jamigold Oh wow – I know people/family who spend 1/2 of Thanksgiving planning Black Friday runs! (not my cup of tea..) #UFchat
12:09 am UF_Chat: Dexter the Vampire Dog interviews Antoine the Cat http://bit.ly/ce3m9d (characs in @jsmithready?s WMVP series) Read comments too! #UFchat
12:09 am shadowflame1974: @J_GriffinB indeed they might be, or be the ones causing all the misery #UFchat
12:09 am UF_Chat: “Mom” by YA UF author Karen Kincey http://bit.ly/arjdyG (on absent parents & the potential of kickass moms, & moms of UF MCs in UF) #UFchat
12:09 am UF_Chat: The Children of Superheroes Rise Up to Avenge Their Fallen Parents by Kelly Meding http://on.io9.com/bTGeuR #UFchat
12:09 am jamigold: @J_GriffinB Ooo, good point about that. #ufchat
12:09 am leapetra: @shadowflame1974 lol a vamp being beat up by a woman that has to get elmo! #ufchat
12:09 am UF_Chat: 10 Odd Superstitions About Food http://bit.ly/2TvQJc #UFchat
12:10 am UF_Chat: The History of Holiday Superstitions (incl. Thanksgiving) http://bit.ly/aOfWGl #UFchat
12:10 am shadowflame1974: @leapetra lol okay this has got some potential here! #UFchat
12:10 am leapetra: I have to work black friday. After 10 years, you have seen it all. #ufchat
12:10 am UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Sounds very banshee-like. I like banshees… πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:10 am UF_Chat: Why Urban Fantasy Heroes Come From Dysfunctional Families by Suzanne Johnson http://bit.ly/bdQabl #UFchat
12:11 am jamigold: @UF_Chat Thanks for this! I’m sorry I missed most of it. My MC is a wife and mother (5yo son). Interesting dynamics there. #UFchat
12:11 am UF_Chat: Many thanks to @shadowflame1974 for her help today (she knows what she did) πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
12:11 am UF_Chat: #UFchat transcript available on the #UFchat blog in 48hrs-ish, allowing for late comments. Just use the hashtag. ? #UFchat
12:11 am shadowflame1974: @leapetra and since some of the stores open here at midnight very possible! #UFchat
12:12 am shadowflame1974: @UF_Chat no problem at all. Can’t wait until next week! #UFchat
12:12 am leapetra: @shadowflame1974 might be the only time some monsters could shop! #ufchat
12:13 am UF_Chat: May you all have joyful, safe & crazy-free Thanksgiving & enjoy dining with monsters of all sorts. πŸ˜‰ ? @UF_Chat lights out. #UFchat
12:13 am shadowflame1974: have a safe and happy Thanksgiving everyone! #UFchat
12:15 am UF_Chat: @jamigold Oh! Will be interested to read! #UFchat
12:21 am jamigold: @AnassaRh & @HC_Palmquist thanks for the notification about #UFChat . I just didn’t see your tweets until it was too late.
1:05 am ganymeder: RT @leapetra: in my stories, Thanksgiving dinner would have vampires, humans, werewolves, and berserks, around the table. #ufchat

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END OF TRANSCRIPT FOR NOVEMBER 20th, 2010

Happy Thanksgiving to all the US participants and to everyone else, happy end of November/pre-December-madness. May you have feasting and abundance of all sorts – including stories.

Stay tuned to @UF_Chat on Twitter for countdowns and updates.

See you next week! We’ll be happening – even if it’s an abbreviated version (as in shorter time) in nods to all traveling & feasting this weekend.

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)


Transcript for October 30, 2010: Why We Need Monsters! (& Halloween Too)

Here’s our Halloween edition of #UFchat – which happened somehow despite all sorts of computer and health issue craziness at #UFchat headquarters! I expected a tiny turnout due to weekend Halloween parties but we had plenty of opinions and ideas contributing, which was wonderful to see. πŸ™‚

If you're interested in helping out by being my 'emergency back-up co-moderator' please contact me and let me know!
It'd be awesome to have emergency back-up for the session and also to help get the transcript up within a couple of days
if I have computer &/or toddler issues delaying me. Please @inkgypsy or DM me for details. πŸ™‚

TOPIC: Why We Need Monsters! (& the Importance of Halloween)

We get into all kinds of classic monsters, not-so-classic monsters, urban legends, urban myths-in-the-making, dealing with fear and much more! There are a TON of resources at the end of this week’s transcript, including some fun lists for reading and viewing (and don’t forget to add The X-Files series to your viewing lists)!

Official UFchat questions in YELLOW for easier reading.

Resources/ topic-related links are in BLUE.

Also: it’s National Novel Writing Month! Or NaNoWriMo (or just NaNo for even shorter). Hoping to hear news of all the fantastic UF novels taking shape this month and I wish you luck every day in meeting your word counts and beyond! Happy writing! May all your monsters be ones you love to write… πŸ˜‰

One final announcement: if anyone comes across the story of the zombie toddler being fed by it’s human parents, please let me know! (There is much interest in finding this one – you will be loved by many if you can hunt this one down.) Google has lost much of its “fu” in the recent ‘upgrades’ and despite knowing the short story very well, including actual phrases I can quote I cannot find it! The author is female, the story is available to read free online and someone on Twitter originally posted it as a guest entry on their blog, though I don’t think it was specifically UF related at the time, nor on the topic of Halloween. It may actually have been posted on the theme of parents.. with a possible title of “The Terrible Twos” (or similar). Many thanks for all hunters tracking this story!

And now without further ado, here’s the transcript and all the monster related goodness… πŸ˜‰

12:02 am shadowflame1974: @inkgypsy #UFchat maybe because of the difficulty of the hybrid. seems to reason that if weres produced like wild cousins wed be up to 1/2
12:02 am shadowflame1974: @inkgypsy #UFchat our eyeballs in baby weres. might make humans a lot uncomfortable.
12:16 am inkgypsy: @Laura_Bickle Just going thru #UFchat transcript & saw your question re zombie toddler story. Will re-find it shortly & link you.
12:17 am inkgypsy: @shadowflame1974 Maybe all toddlers really are weres on the brink and have to choose… πŸ˜‰ #UFchat #saystoddlermom
12:18 am inkgypsy: @JSterlingS Will link you to toddler zombie story when I find it – looking after transcript up. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
12:19 am shadowflame1974: @inkgypsy lol wait until they are teens #UFchat #saysteenmom sometimes you WISH they would choose!
1:00 am inkgypsy: Strange, (awesome) weird post on pregnant zombie females encouraged NOT to eat their babies… http://bit.ly/9KYpsY #UFchat
1:29 am UF_Chat: Transcript for #UFchat Pt II Minorities & Other Missing Persons is UP! http://alturl.com/vebvy
1:29 am inkgypsy: Transcript for #UFchat Pt II Minorities & Other Missing Persons is UP! http://alturl.com/vebvy
October 28, 2010
12:26 am UF_Chat: Got a Halloween/haunted blog post going up urban fantasist’s will enjoy? Add #UFchat hashtag. I’ll collect & publish links on official blog!
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12:28 am UF_Chat: Please RT my call for Halloween & monster blog posts – help me promote your blog and writing this weekend! #UFchat
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12:34 am CoachCMJ: RT @inkgypsy: Got a Halloween/haunted blog post going up urban fantasist’s will enjoy? Add #UFchat hashtag. I’ll collect & publish links on official blog!
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12:39 am inkgypsy: #UFchat RT @thefourpartland: “What happens when you cage the beast without? – The Letter – http://bit.ly/9hyTZg #horror
12:40 am amergina: RT @UF_Chat Got a Halloween/haunted blog post urban fantasist’s will enjoy? Add #UFchat I’ll collect & publish links on official blog!
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12:53 am deborahblake: RT @UF_Chat: Got a Halloween/haunted blog post going up urban fantasist’s will enjoy? Add #UFchat hashtag. I’ll collect & publish links on official blog!
12:53 am JayelKaye: RT @UF_Chat: Please RT my call for Halloween & monster blog posts – help me promote your blog and writing this weekend! #UFchat
1:17 am AnassaRh: RT @inkgypsy: Got a Halloween/haunted blog post going up urban fantasist’s will enjoy? Add #UFchat hashtag. I’ll collect & publish links on official blog!
1:19 am ElleMoonGoddess: RT @UF_Chat: Got a Halloween/haunted blog post going up urban fantasist’s will enjoy? Add #UFchat hashtag. I’ll collect & publish links on official blog!
2:08 am Suzanne_Johnson: Urban fantasy and paranormal romance fans–check out 40 new releases coming in November! #paranormal #romance #ufchat http://bit.ly/bzvwb9
2:10 am wastepaperprose: RT @Suzanne_Johnson: Urban fantasy and paranormal romance fans–check out 40 new releases coming in November! #paranormal #romance #ufchat http://bit.ly/bzvwb9
2:11 am specficdb: RT @Suzanne_Johnson: Urban fantasy and paranormal romance fans–check out 40 new releases coming in November! #paranormal #romance #ufchat http://bit.ly/bzvwb9
2:13 am specficdb: @Suzanne_Johnson so many great authors who need to be listed at specficdb.com! #paranormal #romance #ufchat
2:14 am bethaniey: @Suzanne_Johnson so many great authors who need to be listed at specficdb.com! #paranormal #romance #ufchat
2:14 am bethaniey: Urban fantasy and paranormal romance fans–check out 40 new releases coming in November! #paranormal #romance #ufchat http://bit.ly/bzvwb9
2:15 am inkgypsy: Got Halloween/haunted/monster blog post urban fantasy peeps will enjoy? Add #UFchat hashtag. I’ll collect & publish links on official blog!
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2:16 am Suzanne_Johnson: RT @specficdb: @Suzanne_Johnson so many great authors who need to be listed at specficdb.com! #paranormal #romance #ufchat
2:17 am jolantru: Paranormals in Singapore: http://awolfstale.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/writing-about-non-humans-and-the-paranormal-in-singapore/ #UFchat
2:22 am Sarah_Bromley: @inkgypsy I just did a Halloween reading/watching blog post earlier today and mention some YA UF. http://tinyurl.com/29wqyxv #UFchat
2:29 am talechasing: RT @UF_Chat: Got Halloween/haunted/monster blog post urban fantasy peeps will enjoy? Add #UFchat hashtag. I’ll collect & publish links on official blog!
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2:32 am LaylaMessner: RT @UF_Chat: Please RT my call for Halloween & monster blog posts – help me promote your blog and writing this weekend! #UFchat
2:45 am bethaniey: RT @specficdb: @Suzanne_Johnson so many great authors who need to be listed at specficdb.com! #paranormal #romance #ufchat
1:11 pm Suzanne_Johnson: List of 67 November releases in #paranormal #romance, #scifi, urban fantasy #UFchat, and #fantasy–good stuff http://bit.ly/aSCxNg
1:27 pm bethaniey: List of 67 November releases in #paranormal #romance, #scifi, urban fantasy #UFchat, and #fantasy–good stuff http://bit.ly/aSCxNg
2:11 pm UF_Chat: Please RT my call for Halloween & monster blog posts – help me promote your blog and writing this weekend! #UFchat
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2:22 pm lil_monmon: RT @UF_Chat: Please RT my call for Halloween & monster blog posts – help me promote your blog and writing this weekend! #UFchat
2:26 pm Puppetguy: Yes! RT @inkgypsy Please RT my call for Halloween & monster blog posts – help me promote your blog and writing this weekend! #UFchat
2:26 pm lil_monmon: #fridayflash Dare you try the bottomless coffee at DR. FRANKENSTEIN’S HOUSE OF PANCAKES? http://tinyurl.com/2a5lmav #UFchat
2:27 pm FutureNostalgic: RT @lil_monmon: #fridayflash Dare you try the bottomless coffee at DR. FRANKENSTEIN’S HOUSE OF PANCAKES? http://tinyurl.com/2a5lmav #UFchat
2:36 pm WerewolfMike: RT @lil_monmon: #fridayflash Dare you try the bottomless coffee at DR. FRANKENSTEIN’S HOUSE OF PANCAKES? http://tinyurl.com/2a5lmav #UFchat
2:37 pm Patti_OShea: RT @inkgypsy: Please RT my call for Halloween & monster blog posts – help me promote your blog and writing this weekend! #UFchat
2:59 pm J_GriffinB: RT @UF_Chat: Please RT my call for Halloween & monster blog posts – help me promote your blog and writing this weekend! #UFchat
4:52 pm AnassaRh: This one’s not mine, but definitely fits the #ufchat Halloween call! Gnomes in Latin America: http://bit.ly/dcUtOE
5:00 pm AnassaRh: RT @inkgypsy: Please RT my call for Halloween & monster blog posts – help me promote your blog and writing this weekend! #UFchat
6:15 pm Jamgrrl: I’ve posted on Indie Urban Fantasy: Argentina Gnome: Creepy Reality? Or Just a Hoax? http://bit.ly/b9cynL #ufchat #fairies #paranormal
6:16 pm Jamgrrl: RT @inkgypsy: Please RT my call for Halloween & monster blog posts – help me promote your blog and writing this weekend! #UFchat
October 29, 2010
3:02 am MarshaAMoore: RT @Suzanne_Johnson: Urban fantasy/paranormal romance fans-40 new releases coming November!#paranormal #romance #ufchat http://bit.ly/bzvwb9
3:49 am annikkawoods: RT @UF_Chat: Please RT my call for Halloween & monster blog posts – help me promote your blog and writing this weekend! #UFchat
7:04 am GraylinFox: Halloween Blog TourοΏ½Stop: http://wp.me/p11In3-77 #blogtour #horror #fantasy #halloween #UFChat
7:16 am LiiaAnn: Ooohhh gruesome!! I Love it! RT @GraylinFox Halloween Blog Tour Stop: http://wp.me/p11In3-77 #blogtour #horror #fantasy #halloween #UFChat
2:14 pm Suzanne_Johnson: Who’s the urban fantasy character you hate the most? Bella? Anita? Vampire Bill? Voldemort? http://bit.ly/aaxxeX #UFchat
6:42 pm NancyHolzner: It’s Walking Dead Week on Dark Central Station. Zombie posts and book giveaways! http://darkcentralstation.com/ #UFchat
9:00 pm AnassaRh: My blog today combines the last #ufchat topic with tomorrow’s: http://bit.ly/96o3Kr I also tell a personal story.
11:14 pm UF_Chat: Dashing in to borrowed computer to say YES #UFchat is definitely ON tomorrow! (3pm PST) TOPIC: Why we need Monsters! (& Halloween too) PlsRT
11:14 pm inkgypsy: Dashing in to borrowed computer to say YES #UFchat is definitely ON tomorrow! (3pm PST) TOPIC: Why we need Monsters! (& Halloween too) PlsRT
11:16 pm leapetra: RT @UF_Chat: #UFchat is definitely ON tomorrow! (3pm PST) TOPIC: Why we need Monsters! (& Halloween too) (i might be drunk tweeting shhhh)
11:20 pm Queryaddict: RT @UF_Chat: Dashing in to borrowed computer to say YES #UFchat is definitely ON tomorrow! (3pm PST) TOPIC: Why we need Monsters! (& Halloween too) PlsRT
11:24 pm SpiceBites: RT @inkgypsy: Dashing in to borrowed computer to say YES #UFchat is definitely ON tomorrow! (3pm PST) TOPIC: Why we need Monsters! (& Halloween too) PlsRT
11:24 pm JulieeJohnsonn: Hey everyone! Ohhh! Great topic for #ufchat on Sat 6pm EST: Why we need monsters! Hope I can make it! RT @leapetra @UF_Chat
11:24 pm ShennandoahDiaz: RT @inkgypsy: Dashing in to borrowed computer to say YES #UFchat is definitely ON tomorrow! (3pm PST) TOPIC: Why we need Monsters! (& Halloween too) PlsRT
11:25 pm jeremymcnabb: RT @UF_Chat: Dashing in to borrowed computer to say YES #UFchat is definitely ON tomorrow! (3pm PST) TOPIC: Why we need Monsters! (& Halloween too) PlsRT
11:50 pm Kalayna: RT @UF_Chat: Dashing in to borrowed computer to say YES #UFchat is definitely ON tomorrow! (3pm PST) TOPIC: Why we need Monsters! (& Halloween too) PlsRT
October 30, 2010
1:32 am MarciSischo: RT @UF_Chat: Dashing in to borrowed computer to say YES #UFchat is definitely ON tomorrow! (3pm PST) TOPIC: Why we need Monsters! (& Halloween too) PlsRT
2:30 am J_GriffinB: At UF party at #ufchat
6:32 am AnassaRh: Late night people, have you seen my latest blog post? Monsters, folktales, and a story. http://bit.ly/96o3Kr #ufchat
2:30 pm UF_Chat: Monsters With Human Faces – a For-Real! Guest Post by Emmett Spain (@oldhauntsauthor) http://bit.ly/ceoJvf #UFchat
2:30 pm inkgypsy: Monsters With Human Faces – a For-Real! Guest Post by Emmett Spain (@oldhauntsauthor) http://bit.ly/ceoJvf #UFchat
3:50 pm inkgypsy: Been up all night on borrowed computer prepping for today’s Halloween #UFchat – getting some quick shut-eye. Back in a few hours!
3:51 pm AnassaRh: RTing my blog again in case anyone hasn’t seen it. Folklore! Urban legends! A call to writers! http://bit.ly/96o3Kr #ufchat
5:00 pm inkgypsy: The Halloween edition of #UFchat is on today at 3pm PST/6pm EST! join us to discuss Why We Need Monsters! (& Halloween too) #UFchat
5:00 pm UF_Chat: The Halloween edition of #UFchat is on today at 3pm PST/6pm EST! join us to discuss Why We Need Monsters! (& Halloween too) #UFchat
7:00 pm inkgypsy: 3 hour countdown to #UFchat – The Halloween edition! 3pm PST/6pm EST Pls RT
7:02 pm edentyler: RT @inkgypsy: 3 hour countdown to #UFchat – The Halloween edition! 3pm PST/6pm EST Pls RT
7:02 pm AnassaRh: RT @inkgypsy: 3 hour countdown to #UFchat – The Halloween edition! 3pm PST/6pm EST Pls RT
7:13 pm tadbo: RT @inkgypsy: 3 hour countdown to #UFchat – The Halloween edition! 3pm PST/6pm EST Pls RT
8:00 pm UF_Chat: 2 hours countdown to #UFchat today! TOPIC: Why We Need Monsters (and of course Halloween!) 3PM PST/6PM EST
8:00 pm inkgypsy: 2 hours countdown to #UFchat today! TOPIC: Why We Need Monsters (and of course Halloween!) 3PM PST/6PM EST
8:01 pm talechasing: RT @UF_Chat: 2 hours countdown to #UFchat today! TOPIC: Why We Need Monsters (and of course Halloween!) 3PM PST/6PM EST
8:02 pm specficdb: RT @UF_Chat: 2 hours countdown to #UFchat today! TOPIC: Why We Need Monsters (and of course Halloween!) 3PM PST/6PM EST
8:43 pm inkgypsy: So tired! Need coffee.. And a miracle to keep Jackzilla from eating me alive, er, allowing me to do #UFchat without the usual Daddy-help…
8:52 pm leapetra: RT @inkgypsy: #UFchat today! TOPIC: Why We Need Monsters (and of course Halloween!) 3PM PST/6PM EST
8:53 pm UF_Chat: In line with today’s #UFchat topic: Monsters With Human Faces by Emmett Spain (@oldhauntsauthor) http://bit.ly/ceoJvf
8:53 pm inkgypsy: In line with today’s #UFchat topic: Monsters With Human Faces by Emmett Spain (@oldhauntsauthor) http://bit.ly/ceoJvf
8:55 pm rbwood: @inkgypsy @oldhauntsauthor That explains his mugshot on my website. πŸ™‚ #UFchat #NOWitallmakessense
8:56 pm shadowflame1974: RT @inkgypsy: In line with today’s #UFchat topic: Monsters With Human Faces by Emmett Spain (@oldhauntsauthor) http://bit.ly/ceoJvf
9:00 pm UF_Chat: 1 hour to go till we talk Monsters of all kinds and why we NEED them in our UF (& have some Halloween fun too) #UFchat 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:07 pm UF_Chat: Here’s a pic to give you an idea of why we need monsters in our fiction… #UFchat http://twitpic.com/32c6rk
9:08 pm UF_Chat: http://twitpic.com/32c6rk – A little visual extra for the serious undercurrent of today’s #UFchat.. πŸ˜‰
9:11 pm UF_Chat: An early chunk of food for thought for today’s #UFchat: Monsters and the Meat-ness of Us http://bit.ly/cy1M54 #UFchat (Yum!)
9:11 pm inkgypsy: An early chunk of food for thought for today’s #UFchat: Monsters and the Meat-ness of Us http://bit.ly/cy1M54 #UFchat (Yum!)
9:21 pm leapetra: I am going to try to make it to chat tonight, but our party starts at the same time, most invited come late though #ufchat
9:30 pm inkgypsy: 30 minutes till we go monster hunting and hugging! (with stakes) We need our monsters & we’ll tell you why during #UFchat 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:32 pm AnassaRh: RT @inkgypsy: 30 minutes till we go monster hunting and hugging! (with stakes) We need our monsters & we’ll tell you why during #UFchat 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:34 pm SpiceBites: RT @inkgypsy: 30 minutes till we go monster hunting and hugging! (with stakes) We need our monsters & we’ll tell you why during #UFchat 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:45 pm inkgypsy: Bong! Bong! 15 minute bell for Monster Hunters gathering for today’s Halloween edition of #UFchat! 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:45 pm UF_Chat: Bong! Bong! 15 minute bell for Monster Hunters gathering for today’s Halloween edition of #UFchat! 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:48 pm tadbo: RT @inkgypsy: Bong! Bong! 15 minute bell for Monster Hunters gathering for today’s Halloween edition of #UFchat! 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:50 pm inkgypsy: Primer for #UFchat early birds #1: Monsters With Human Faces by Emmett Spain (@oldhauntsathor) http://bit.ly/ceoJvf #UFchat
9:50 pm wildbloom: @inkgypsy Have fun on #UFChat! Wish I could be there but dinner’s calling! πŸ™‚
9:51 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @inkgypsy You know I only come here for the primers. #ufchat
9:51 pm JonBrazerEnt: RT @UF_Chat: Here’s a pic to give you an idea of why we need monsters in our fiction… #UFchat http://twitpic.com/32c6rk
9:55 pm UF_Chat: Primer for #UFchat early birds #2: Monsters and the Moral Imagination http://bit.ly/1uvGER #UFchat
9:55 pm leapetra: no guests yet. I am here for the chat #ufchat
9:56 pm AnassaRh: Sitting down, getting ready for #ufchat.
9:57 pm jterzieff: RT @inkgypsy: Primer for #UFchat early birds #1: Monsters With Human Faces by Emmett Spain (@oldhauntsathor) http://bit.ly/ceoJvf #UFchat
9:57 pm jterzieff: RT @UF_Chat: Primer for #UFchat early birds #2: Monsters and the Moral Imagination http://bit.ly/1uvGER #UFchat
9:57 pm leapetra: my son is at the party dressed as Walter Sullivan a character form Silent hill that really needs to slay his monsters. #ufchat
9:57 pm rcmurphy: @inkgypsy I would love to come play in #UFchat, but duty calls. Gotta prep to play vampire tonight. Have fun. I’ll read trough later!
9:58 pm inkgypsy: We?re talking about why we NEED monsters (yes ? ?need?) both in fiction and IRL & why Halloween is such an important ?holiday?. #UFchat
9:58 pm UF_Chat: We?re talking about why we NEED monsters (yes ? ?need?) both in fiction and IRL & why Halloween is such an important ?holiday?. #UFchat
9:58 pm Sarah_Bromley: is getting ready for some #ufchat. Don’t get to do this chat much–falls during dinner time. Know I can’t stay too long tonight.
9:59 pm jterzieff: RT @UF_Chat: We?re talking about why we NEED monsters (yes ? ?need?) both in fiction and IRL & why Halloween is such an important ?holiday?. #UFchat
9:59 pm shadowflame1974: RT @UF_Chat: We?re talking about why we NEED monsters (yes ? ?need?) both in fiction and IRL & why Halloween is such an important ?holiday?. #UFchat
9:59 pm AnassaRh: RT @UF_Chat: We?re talking about why we NEED monsters (yes ? ?need?) both in fiction and IRL & why Halloween is such an important ?holiday?. #UFchat
10:00 pm UF_Chat: 3, 2… & now live with #UFchat! Welcome back the Halloween edition of #UFchat!
10:00 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat We need monsters to know we can slay our fears! #ufchat
10:00 pm Sarah_Bromley: Happy Halloween! #ufchat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: TODAY: We?ll be discussing importance of monsters (we NEED them!) and also of Halloween ? and have some light-hearted fun too. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:02 pm SpiceBites: Made it! Happy Halloween to y’all! #UFChat
10:02 pm JSterlingS: We need monsters so that we can confront the best and worst of human nature. Frankenstein wasn’t about fear but intolerance. #ufchat
10:02 pm inkgypsy: Also ? if you have blogged/posted a Halloween/haunted/UF friendly post this week tweet it now with the #UFchat hashtag!
10:02 pm MariAdkins: @UF_Chat @shadowflame1974 today’s halloween flat out sucks. imho. #UFchat
10:02 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat We need monsters because it is not politically correct to point at the RL monsters
10:02 pm UF_Chat: OOps-wrong identity. Also ? if you have blogged/posted a Halloween/haunted/UF friendly post this week tweet it now with the #UFchat hashtag!
10:03 pm UF_Chat: Reminder: ?S? stands for statement which will be followed by a ?Q? (a related #UFchat question for discussion).
10:03 pm Sarah_Bromley: I like monsters to be thoughtful nemesis and less brainless killing machine #ufchat
10:03 pm UF_Chat: Q1: It?s Halloween! Time for monsters. πŸ˜€ Can you list the classic (sentient) figures/monsters? (I count 8 big classics & 2 sortas) #UFchat
10:04 pm Sarah_Bromley: Here’s my blog post on Halloween reading & watching http://tinyurl.com/29wqyxv #ufchat
10:04 pm UF_Chat: Just me and Jackzilla the toddler here today so pls forgive me for odd delays here and there! #UFchat
10:04 pm AnassaRh: My monster post: http://bit.ly/96o3Kr #ufchat
10:05 pm leapetra: vampire, werewolf, mummy, Frankenstein, witch, creature from the black lagoon #ufchat
10:05 pm shadowflame1974: @MariAdkins #UFchat yea it does. we are going to the park tonight… “safe” halloween my arse
10:05 pm UF_Chat: Do we have anyone here today or is everyone still working on their costumes for tomorrow…? #UFchat
10:06 pm JSterlingS: A: Frankenstein, Dracula, Elmo, Chuckie, Gizmo, Bert, Godzilla, Mothra….. #ufchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: RT @AnassaRh: My monster post: http://bit.ly/96o3Kr #ufchat
10:06 pm leapetra: a guest post by Chris Kelly bit.ly/d2s5Mu #ufchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: @JSterlingS Oh Bert! Of course! LOL #ufchat
10:06 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat I am wearing my costume! #ufchat
10:06 pm Sarah_Bromley: @leapetra @Uf_Chat Don’t forget zombies int he list of monsters #ufchat
10:06 pm AnassaRh: Vampire, werewolf, demon, Frankenstein’s monster, witch, ghost, zombie? Stumped now. 😦 #ufchat
10:06 pm tadbo: RT @inkgypsy: Also ? if you have blogged/posted a Halloween/haunted/UF friendly post this week tweet it now with the #UFchat hashtag!
10:07 pm UF_Chat: S: My list: vampire, mummy, werewolf, ghost, witch, devil, swamp creature, Frankenstein?s monster Xtras: Phantom, invisible man #ufchat
10:07 pm MariAdkins: @shadowflame1974 trick or treating in the mall? trunk or treat? give me a break. #UFchat
10:07 pm leapetra: I mean a guest post by Chris Kelly http://bit.ly/d2s5Mu #ufchat
10:07 pm UF_Chat: S: Each of the classics seems to represent a large ?fear? of society thru ages. #ufchat
10:07 pm UF_Chat: Q2: Why do people like being scared? #ufchat
10:07 pm larissa_sarah: RT @leapetra: I mean a guest post by Chris Kelly http://bit.ly/d2s5Mu #ufchat
10:07 pm AnassaRh: Right, mummies! Forgot about mummies! @leapetra #ufchat
10:08 pm Sarah_Bromley: @UF_Chat Humanoid (Yeti, Bigfoot) and dragons? #ufchat
10:08 pm UF_Chat: @Sarah_Bromley Yes! Zombies too. Especially now. I knew I missed one in my delirium! #ufchat
10:08 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat 1 reason when you are under stress, your body reacts as if it is scared. To release the stress, you need a good scare #ufchat
10:08 pm JSterlingS: A2: It reminds us that we are alive and it’s an adrenaline rush. Plus us guys like girls jumping into our laps. #ufchat
10:09 pm curlyrbr: @UF_Chat Hi! What’s the topic today? #ufchat
10:09 pm shadowflame1974: @MariAdkins #UFchat BOOO! Boring!
10:09 pm UF_Chat: RT @leapetra: I mean a guest post by Chris Kelly http://bit.ly/d2s5Mu #ufchat
10:09 pm JSterlingS: Can’t forget about killer robots. #ufchat
10:09 pm Sarah_Bromley: @UF_Chat Fictional fear is an escape from real fears #ufchat
10:09 pm UF_Chat: Q2a: Does this have anything to do with why people love UF? #ufchat
10:10 pm leapetra: RT @JSterlingS: Cant forget about killer robots. #ufchat
10:10 pm SpiceBites: @Sarah_Bromley I love dragons! #UFChat
10:10 pm AnassaRh: I think adrenaline is part of why scary is fun. And laughing at how silly you were, afterwards, so ? social bonding too? #ufchat
10:10 pm UF_Chat: @curlyrbr Welcome! TOPIC: Why we need monsters! (& Halloween too) #ufchat
10:10 pm leapetra: But Fear is the Mind Killer #dune #ufchat
10:11 pm Sarah_Bromley: @UF_Chat UF has a lot of people standing up to face fear. Readers may find this inspiring. #ufchat
10:11 pm AnassaRh: Never said I got ’em all! Thanks. #ufchat RT @wordofmousebook: @AnassaRh what about ghoul?
10:11 pm SpiceBites: I think it’s also social commentary maybe? #UFChat
10:11 pm UF_Chat: Q2a: Does this have anything to do with why people love UF? #UFchat
10:12 pm leapetra: sometimes its easier to deal with fictional fear, than the real serial killer down the block #ufchat
10:12 pm shadowflame1974: #UFChat of course. easier to slay fictional monsters than minorities. Also gives creative solutions for modern problems
10:12 pm Sarah_Bromley: @wordofmousebook @AnassaRh Do ghouls fall into the zombie category or something else? #ufchat
10:12 pm MariAdkins: @shadowflame1974 kids can’t even wear masks anymore – they might trip and fall becasue they can’t see well. #UFchat
10:12 pm AnassaRh: A2a: One of the primer articles mentioned the “what if” factor of fear? What if zombie/vampire/demon/alien attacked me? 1/2 #ufchat
10:12 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Looking at the classics in that list – all the old masks & monsters made into movies. But ghoul is long time bogeycreature #ufchat
10:13 pm UF_Chat: Q2b: What does vampire represent/cover fear-wise? (Note: I?ll ask for each but not necessarily straight forward ? think about it) #ufchat
10:13 pm shadowflame1974: @MariAdkins #UFchat dddoha! I think this will be our last year. next we celebrate halloween by going to haunted houses!
10:13 pm leapetra: @Sarah_Bromley I think are zombies are a type of ghoul #ufchat
10:14 pm AnassaRh: ? And that same thing happens within UF. It’s the basis for the genre, no? What IF there were vampires? #ufchat
10:14 pm SpiceBites: The monster can also be a metaphor for the ugliness inside — Hyde & Jekyll And most alien takeovers is fear of others #UFChat
10:14 pm UF_Chat: @Sarah_Bromley I think they are covered by zombies in the classic monster umbrella. The classics cover most ‘types’ of monsters. #ufchat
10:14 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat sexual fear. fear of domination #ufchat
10:14 pm AnassaRh: That was, of course, 2/2/ #ufchat
10:14 pm Sarah_Bromley: A2b: vampires can represent a fear of seduction/corruption of what’s natural #ufchat
10:15 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat Vampires represent the fear of death (in addition to sexual stress) and a way to overcome death. #ufchat
10:15 pm AnassaRh: @Sarah_Bromley I think they’re different. Different origins, though I can’t recall the exact distinction. #ufchat
10:15 pm SpiceBites: I usually throw a get-together for a few families. Dads & kids go hs2hs, moms relax with wine…i mean fix dinner πŸ™‚ #UFChat
10:15 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat vampires- soul draining cooperates? the mighty industry? your boss? lol
10:15 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat I’d say that means we need a good ghoul story, wouldn’t you? *grins* #ufchat
10:16 pm UF_Chat: Remember vampires have been the uber-monster well before they became sexy. What do they represent fear-wise? #ufchat
10:16 pm leapetra: @AnassaRh ghouls are from the middle east, creatures that eat corpses. traditional zombies from haiti #ufchat
10:16 pm SayVampire: RT @shadowflame1974 #UFchat vampires- soul draining cooperates? the mighty industry? your boss? lol
10:16 pm Sarah_Bromley: @AnassaRh My MS that’s on sub has revenants which are rather ghoul-like. πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:16 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Amazing how widespread metaphor can get – huh? πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
10:16 pm SpiceBites: RT @SayVampire: RT @shadowflame1974 #UFchat vampires- soul draining cooperates? the mighty industry? your boss? lol #UFChat
10:17 pm AnassaRh: Agreed. They’re very sexual. RT @Sarah_Bromley: A2b: vampires can represent a fear of seduction/corruption of what’s natural #ufchat
10:17 pm UF_Chat: Q2b1: The mummy? How is this different from the zombie type? #ufchat
10:17 pm leapetra: @shadowflame1974 sound like most of the places I have worked at #ufchat
10:17 pm Sarah_Bromley: @leapetra Ah, thanks for the reminder. I need to brush up on my monster origins again #ufchat
10:17 pm AnassaRh: Explanation! Yay! RT @leapetra:@AnassaRh ghouls are from the middle east, creatures that eat corpses. traditional zombies from haiti #ufchat
10:18 pm SpiceBites: A2B1 Mummy’s are sentient, zombies are not usually, i think #UFChat
10:18 pm AnassaRh: @Sarah_Bromley Cool! #ufchat
10:18 pm tasmin21: Sorry I’m late, folks! #UFChat
10:18 pm UF_Chat: Q2b2: Werewolves & the wolfman? #ufchat
10:18 pm UF_Chat: Q2b3: Witches? (not the Wiccan kind ?the typical nasty kind) #ufchat
10:18 pm SpiceBites: In Middle Eastern lore they are called ghools #UFChat
10:18 pm Sarah_Bromley: @UF_Chat Mummies are usually brought about by a curse. Zombies have more variation in origin stories–ie, infection, disaster. #ufchat
10:18 pm JSterlingS: Mummies are corpses that come back a live to attack the cursed. They need not flesh to survive. Head shots don’t worth either. #ufchat
10:19 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat Q2b1 a form of burial as well, not just Egyptian #ufchat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: Q2b4: (Racing thru the rest to get to the next set ok?) Devils & demons? (clue: it?s more than fear of hell) #ufchat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: Q2b5: Swamp Creatures? #ufchat
10:19 pm Sarah_Bromley: Q2b2: werewolves are primal urge and the fear of what happens when it takes over #ufchat
10:20 pm UF_Chat: Q2b6: Frankenstein?s monster? (think mad scientist, Igor as well as the creation here) #ufchat
10:20 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat Q2b4 demons are only messengers, its who they are delivering the message from you have to watch out for #ufchat
10:20 pm JSterlingS: Swamp creatures is nature taking a more active role in smacking us for polluting it. #ufchat
10:20 pm Sarah_Bromley: Q2B3: Witches can be fear of others working against us and the power they hold over us #ufchat
10:20 pm AnassaRh: A2b: East Euro vamps: fear of death, fear of stalkers, fear of darkness? Chinese vamps: loss of self. #ufchat
10:21 pm SpiceBites: I remember a TED talk by Elizabeth Gilbert and she mentioned demons came from daemons, geniies from genius #UFChat
10:21 pm UF_Chat: @Sarah_Bromley Zombies originally just corpses brought back from dead. Infection/disease is later incarnation but still relevant. #ufchat
10:21 pm UF_Chat: S: Ghosts I left for a separate question as they?re particularly important to Halloween. #ufchat
10:21 pm UF_Chat: Q3: How have ghosts been portrayed in UF? Do they have any connection to Halloween? #ufchat
10:22 pm JSterlingS: As I said in the beginning Frankenstein’s monster is about intolerance and fear of the different. #ufchat
10:22 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat Q2b6 fear of technology. the lack of humanity #ufchat
10:22 pm tasmin21: A3: For the Downside series, the ghosts ARE the premise, really. #UFChat
10:22 pm SpiceBites: @UF_Chat But can zombies think? I thot they were controlled by whoever created them. #UFChat
10:23 pm AnassaRh: 2b1: Mummy: fear of death, I think, coupled with a love of the Middle East. Zombies: fear of losing self, fear of infection. #ufchat
10:23 pm Sarah_Bromley: Q3: Ghosts are important to Halloween since “the veil is thin.” More transference between spirit realm and living realm #ufchat
10:23 pm UF_Chat: Sorry – power outage – swapping systems to the back-up. #UFchat
10:23 pm AnassaRh: Also think with zombies we’re afraid of being forced to act against our will (vamps have this too). You don’t want to kill, but? #ufchat
10:23 pm leapetra: @SpiceBites modern zombies are worst, a mindless thing makes them.ie the flu #ufchat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: Q3: How have ghosts been portrayed in UF? Do they have any connection to Halloween? #UFchat
10:24 pm AnassaRh: 2b2: Werewolves: There’s definitely an element of body horror there, as well as the traditional “wolves kill our livestock” thing. #ufchat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra I’m not big on zombies but the metaphor is astounding to me. I keep finding uses for this monster! #UFchat
10:24 pm leapetra: RT @UF_Chat: Sorry – power outage – <- quit trying to revive your monster during chats. #ufchat
10:24 pm JSterlingS: @SpiceBites depends on if you’re talking old school zombie or new. Old school = no. New = maybe #ufchat
10:25 pm tasmin21: Agree with @Sarah_Bromley. Most of the time, Halloween is viewed as a time of greater power for ghosts. #UFChat
10:25 pm AnassaRh: 2b3: Witches: Curses are the biggie here. And poisonings. Don’t want to be a frog! #ufchat
10:25 pm Sarah_Bromley: @UF_Chat I’m more partial to the reanimated corpse version of zombies. The new, infected sort don’t do it for me #ufchat
10:25 pm UF_Chat: I’m assuming here most UF people know the origins of Halloween so no going over that ground today but let me know if you’re lost. #UFchat
10:26 pm leapetra: Ghost are a bit hopeful. They show that death is not the end for some #ufchat
10:26 pm UF_Chat: Q4: Supernatural is ?very close? on H’ween. What other celebrations/days/etc fall in this season & what is focus? Eg All Souls Day #UFchat
10:26 pm UF_Chat: Q4a: What other ?ghost centered celebrations? are there around the world? (eg Japanese Grave sweeping) #UFchat
10:26 pm tasmin21: Seems like ghosts are usually used as a) motivation for the hero or b) a source of information to solve the case. #UFChat
10:26 pm leapetra: Ghosts also give you a link to the past. not many of the other monsters do that. #ufchat
10:26 pm Sarah_Bromley: I love writing ghost stories or using ghosts in all different kinds of roles. So much material to mine for fiction. #ufchat
10:26 pm tasmin21: @leapetra See, I don’t see it as hopeful. I see it as they never rest. It’s a bit depressing, really. #UFChat
10:26 pm AnassaRh: 2b4: Demons: Brutal, violent death. Fear of the Other, the unknown. Also, incubus/succubus demons are sexual. #ufchat
10:27 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat Day of the Dead! #ufchat
10:27 pm UF_Chat: S: It appears all cultures have a day in which the dead are honored/celebrated. Halloween is ours. #UFchat
10:27 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat Which origins? I’ve found no less than 3. #ufchat
10:27 pm UF_Chat: Q5: Why is death given such attention? #UFchat
10:27 pm Sarah_Bromley: @UF_Chat Q4a: don’t forget Dia de los Muertos where the souls of the deceased return to celebrate w/ family/friends #ufchat
10:27 pm UF_Chat: Q5a: What about ancestors? What celebrations/rituals focus on this? #UFchat
10:27 pm tasmin21: A5: Death gets so much attention because it’s the last great mystery. #UFChat
10:28 pm AnassaRh: 2b5 and 2b6: Both are a fear of the Other, of body horror. Don’t know much about swamp creatures, so won’t say more there. #ufchat
10:28 pm Sarah_Bromley: @UF_Chat Q5: death is something we all have to face and among the greatest unknowns #ufchat
10:28 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat Day of the Dead, All Hallows Eve, Easter, Devil’s Eve. #ufchat
10:28 pm UF_Chat: @JSterlingS Essentially re both changing seasons & the idea of supernatural world closest to ours at this time (incl souls departed) #UFchat
10:28 pm MarciSischo: Hello! Late, but here! πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:28 pm UF_Chat: Q5b: What could be gained by considering those gone before each year (child thru adult)? #UFchat
10:29 pm AnassaRh: But as for Frankenstein’s monster? there’s also the relentlessness of his pursuit, and his unnaturalness. Some zombie stuff there? #ufchat
10:29 pm leapetra: Death: we are dying as soon as we take our first breath #Buddhism #ufchat
10:29 pm UF_Chat: @JSterlingS Glad you mentioned Devil’s Night… #UFchat
10:29 pm alisonwells: RT @leapetra: Death: we are dying as soon as we take our first breath #Buddhism #ufchat
10:29 pm AnassaRh: Have to admit, when I read Frankenstein, I sympathized with the monster much more than I did with Frankenstein himself. #ufchat
10:29 pm UF_Chat: S: On the other extreme is Devil?s Night (Oct 30) where extreme mischief (to put it mildly) prevails. #UFchat
10:29 pm UF_Chat: Q5c: Why is Devil?s Night celebrated at all (anywhere)? #UFchat
10:30 pm dref22: RT @leapetra: Death: we are dying as soon as we take our first breath #Buddhism #ufchat
10:30 pm AnassaRh: RT @Sarah_Bromley: Q3: Ghosts are important to Halloween since “the veil is thin.” More transference between spirit realm and living realm #ufchat
10:30 pm SpiceBites: Thanx for explaining zombies πŸ™‚ #UFChat
10:30 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh I think that was kinda the big idea – the REAL monster in that story was Frankenstein himself. Not his creation. #UFchat
10:30 pm UF_Chat: Q5d: Apart from The Crow (classic & very dark UF) are the other UF stories that use Devil?s Night? #UFchat
10:31 pm leapetra: Devil’s Night. We have to blow off steam ever so often. I would rather do Walprugis Night myself. #ufchat
10:31 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat We all have the souls of a trickster in us. Plus it allows relief of tension. #ufchat
10:31 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra You’ve heard the heartbeat theory – right? We’re all allocated so many heart beats for our life span? #UFchat
10:31 pm UF_Chat: @JSterlingS Agree – but why the violence. Devil’s Night is traditionally big on intense violence. #UFchat
10:32 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat I have, #ufchat
10:32 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra See comment to @JSterlingS… #UFchat
10:32 pm SpiceBites: RT @UF_Chat: @leapetra Youve heard the heartbeat theory – right? Were all allocated so many heart beats for our life span?OoH cool! #UFChat
10:32 pm UF_Chat: Q6: What UF novels center around Halloween or have key event happen on that date? #UFchat
10:32 pm AnassaRh: A3: Haven’t read many UF with ghosts. @katrchrdsn‘s Greywalker books have multiples, from memories to semi-aware to active (and Bad) #ufchat
10:33 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat unfortunately some people can’t have fun mischief and have to go to extremes. #ufchat
10:33 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Devil’s Night violence is mostly in the bigger cities, though. Small towns just smash pumpkins and toilet paper houses. #UFChat
10:33 pm AnassaRh: In that series, at least, they’re not really connected to Hallowe’en. They’re always there. #ufchat
10:33 pm Sarah_Bromley: @UF_Chat @JSterlingS It’s the last really huge night to get out your evil before All Hallow’s Eve and All Saints’ & All Souls’ Days. #ufchat
10:33 pm SpiceBites: Lately seen some mysteries with ghosts…. #UFChat
10:33 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat I’ve always suspected such. And there we have the mad scientist as monster trope. #ufchat
10:34 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat I know at least one of the Dresden Files series centers on H alloween. #ufchat
10:34 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat A6: Again, I’ll mention @StaciaKane‘s Downside series. The ghostly catastrophe hit the world for a week, around Halloween. #UFChat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: S: Monsters & Halloween go together yet monsters in UF are more classic & classically quite urban (though been urbanized). #UFchat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: Q7: Considering how Urban Legends (& nightmares) often represented at Halloween why don?t we see these more in UF? #UFchat
10:35 pm MarciSischo: @JSterlingS @UF_Chat — Dresden’s got one centering on ghosts, too. Same one, I think. Dead Beat? #UFChat
10:35 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 Such an amazing series. I remain in awe. #UFchat
10:35 pm UF_Chat: Q7: What urban legends could use the UF treatment? #UFchat
10:35 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat in the movies we see more urban legends. but books not so much. Too bad great fodder there #ufchat
10:35 pm AnassaRh: A4: The Mexican Day of the Dead revolves around respect for and celebration of the dead, doesn’t it? #ufchat
10:35 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo That sounds familiar… #UFchat
10:35 pm SesshaBatto: RT @leapetra: Death: we are dying as soon as we take our first breath #Buddhism #ufchat
10:36 pm MarciSischo: All the urban legends are belong to me. At least, all the Michigan ones. πŸ˜‰ #UFChat
10:36 pm AnassaRh: And I guess for a more modern celebration/day, there’s Remembrance/Veteran’s Day. That’s respect as well. #ufchat
10:36 pm Sarah_Bromley: Q7: I think we don’t see as many Urban Legends in UF because, while they’re urban, they’re not really fantasy. #ufchat.
10:36 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat Perhaps because it’s too easy. Most now would not blink at seeing Dracula walking down the street on Oct 31st #ufchat
10:36 pm leapetra: In Killer I worked in an urban legend for the fictional town, that comes to light in a later book. it gave the story a nice feel #ufchat
10:37 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Yeah, that was the one w/ the necromancer killing ghosts to become a god on Devil’s Night or Halloween. Also, a t-rex. #UFChat
10:37 pm Sarah_Bromley: @UF_Chat Q7: Hook Man! I’d love tos ee someone do something with that one. #ufchat
10:37 pm MarciSischo: Because if you’re going to do necromancy, why NOT raise a t-rex? #UFChat
10:37 pm UF_Chat: Q8: Bogeymen are still around in various guises. Where are the bogeymen of UF? Are there any? #UFchat
10:38 pm AnassaRh: A5: Death comes for everyone eventually. You don’t know when, or how, or what happens afterwards. #ufchat
10:38 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Which brings up a good question of what the heck are we doing in science anyway? πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:38 pm UF_Chat: Q9: Why do you personally like monsters? What is it about them that you like to read? #UFchat
10:38 pm JSterlingS: The scariest monster to ever walk this planet is also the most numerous: man. #ufchat
10:39 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat We’re working on it. You heard about the zombie dogs, right? #UFChat
10:39 pm leapetra: A great series on Urban legends is anything from Jan Harold Brunvand #ufchat
10:39 pm UF_Chat: You all are aware of the Spooky Legends event over at All Things Urban Fantasy – right? Urban legends retold by fave UF characters? #UFchat
10:39 pm MarciSischo: A9) They make such lovely metaphors! #UFChat
10:40 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat Q9 you can relate to monsters on some level. there are times everyone feels like they do not belong. #ufchat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Yay! Kinda. I’m partial to were-llamas – which are suspiciously zombie like for some reason… (weird I know) #UFchat
10:40 pm AnassaRh: A5b: A greater sense of heritage, a reverence. Traditions of any sort are for bonding, as well. #ufchat
10:40 pm MarciSischo: RT @JSterlingS: The scariest monster to ever walk this planet is also the most numerous: man. #UFChat
10:41 pm AnassaRh: A5b: From a more UF standpoint, remembering the dead means pacifying them, preventing them from causing mischief/curses. #ufchat
10:41 pm leapetra: Were-yetis, we need more of those #ufchat
10:41 pm UF_Chat: Are you guys aware of the Myths Over Miami articles? Street kids form own myths? (all scary & from kids under 10) #UFchat
10:41 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat And now I must write a story about were-llamas. Or read one someone else has written. #UFChat
10:41 pm UF_Chat: RT @MarciSischo: RT @JSterlingS: The scariest monster to ever walk this planet is also the most numerous: man. #UFchat
10:41 pm Sarah_Bromley: A9: Monsters and UF are a great distraction from one’s “real” problems. If you defeat a rampaging werewolf, you can beat anything. #ufchat
10:41 pm UF_Chat: So we’re getting to ‘why we need monsters’ part -my argument is that we need them to keep us human. Man is the worst monster of all. #UFchat
10:42 pm UF_Chat: Q10: How do we use monsters in UF? (eg as metaphors? As catharsis? Other?) #UFchat
10:42 pm AnassaRh: A7: I definitely think the Hook Man and the Phantom Hitchhiker could be great UF stories! #ufchat
10:42 pm UF_Chat: Q11: UF wouldn?t be UF without a monster or two (or more). Why does UF need monsters to be “UF”? #UFchat
10:42 pm valerievaldes: @UF_Chat I wrote a book about those Myths Over Miami. #UFChat
10:42 pm leapetra: A zombie lawyer has just arrive the party is starting. I will catch you all later. #ufchat
10:42 pm Sarah_Bromley: The talk about urban legends reminds me of Candy Man, Bloody Mary, etc. where the supernatural does occur #ufchat
10:43 pm MarciSischo: Voltaire: “Learn what you can from the beasts you’ll defeat / You’ll need it for some of the people you’ll meet” #UFChat
10:43 pm UF_Chat: Q12: What would happen to UF if we took away the monsters? #UFchat
10:43 pm Sarah_Bromley: RT @MarciSischo: Voltaire: “Learn what you can from the beasts you’ll defeat / You’ll need it for some of the people you’ll meet” #UFChat
10:43 pm AnassaRh: I’d rather have a herd of raptors. RT @MarciSischo: Because if you’re going to do necromancy, why NOT raise a t-rex? #UFChat
10:44 pm UF_Chat: @Sarah_Bromley Definitely need to look up Myths Over Miami -Bloody Mary variations abound by kids too small to have heard about her #UFchat
10:44 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat Simplest answer would be that without them it would be just urban fiction. #ufchat
10:44 pm MarciSischo: @AnassaRh Ooo, good point. A horde of zombie raptors! #UFChat
10:44 pm MarciSischo: I don’t think you can have a UF without some monsters. #UFChat
10:45 pm AnassaRh: I read monsters partly to get their side of the story, see where they’re coming from, explore how they got to that point. #ufchat
10:45 pm Sarah_Bromley: @UF_Chat Re: Myths Over Miami–will do. Sounds like an interesting read! #ufchat
10:45 pm UF_Chat: Q13: Why is there a tendency to humanize monsters in UF novels? (To blend with humans, to get involved with humans etc) #UFchat
10:46 pm UF_Chat: Q13a: What is the difference between sentient & non-sentient monsters in novels? How are they typically written? #UFchat
10:46 pm AnassaRh: Granted, that’s more referring to the manipulative monsters, the Evil Overlord or serial killer types. #ufchat
10:46 pm Sarah_Bromley: Ah, I have a screaming 3-year-old. Time to run. Thanks for a wonderful #ufchat
10:46 pm UF_Chat: @Sarah_Bromley I’m tweeting a link at the end in the resource section. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:46 pm AnassaRh: I’m much more into those types than the “they just have to” monsters like zombies and some types of werewolf. #ufchat
10:46 pm UF_Chat: @Sarah_Bromley Mine is not screaming.. yet. Sympathies! #UFchat
10:46 pm MarciSischo: A13) Humanized monsters stand in for the worst in ourselves, and for keeping ourselves in check. #UFChat
10:46 pm UF_Chat: Q13b: How could this be turned on its head? #UFchat
10:47 pm AnassaRh: @Sarah_Bromley Oh yes, Bloody Mary! #ufchat
10:48 pm UF_Chat: Q14: What is/are your favorite monsters to read or write in UF and why? #UFchat
10:48 pm MarciSischo: I think UF kinda came from turning things on their head. Born out of horror stories, where the “monsters” were bad guys. #UFChat
10:48 pm UF_Chat: Q14a: Bestiaries were once taken very seriously. What creatures would you like to see explored in UF? #UFchat
10:48 pm UF_Chat: Q14a: What ?classic? sentient monsters/figures could be better utilized/explored in UF? #UFchat
10:48 pm MarciSischo: Now, some of the monsters are good guys. #UFChat
10:49 pm AnassaRh: A10 Monsters are catalysts or antagonists, or both. They make the MC change and grow and learn. #ufchat
10:49 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat UF needs more trolls. #ufchat
10:49 pm UF_Chat: S: Buffy is famous for its wide variety of monsters (eg monster of the week) beyond the vampire, witch, demon & werewolf regulars. #UFchat
10:50 pm AnassaRh: Overcoming monsters means overcoming fear. Accepting monsters (Oh, so you’re a vampire now? Cool.) means accepting the Other. #ufchat
10:50 pm UF_Chat: Q14b: In your ?monster rolodex? what obscure ones would you like to see used more? (any culture) #UFchat
10:50 pm MarciSischo: Middle Eastern demons. #UFChat
10:50 pm MarciSischo: Chinese demons. #UFChat
10:50 pm SpiceBites: Sorry, gotta go to a Diwali(festival of lights) party #UFChat
10:50 pm AnassaRh: I don’t think UF needs monsters to be UF. UF just needs magic and an antagonist. Monsters are just handy for the latter role. #ufchat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Any in mind in particular? (Middle Eastern demons) #UFchat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: @SpiceBites Ooh nice! #UFchat
10:51 pm AnassaRh: We’d have to get much more creative if we took away the original monsters. We’d probably have fewer possible plots, too. #ufchat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: S: Horror has been distinguished from ?dark UF? as the story is about surviving the monster. Been cry: ?monsters disappearing!? #UFchat
10:51 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Jeez. I dunno. There’s so many. I’ve seen djinn used quite a bit, but they’ve got demons for everything. #UFChat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: S: (cont) Here is argument for ?transformation? via UF genre: What?s happened to our monsters? http://bit.ly/alWF2D #UFchat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: Q15: What kinds (as in types of threats) of monsters are there in UF as opposed to horror? #UFchat
10:52 pm MarciSischo: I think the difference is that in horror, your protag isn’t usually equipped to go toe-to-toe with the monsters. #UFChat
10:52 pm AnassaRh: Absolutely! Big fan of trolls. RT @JSterlingS: @UF_Chat UF needs more trolls. #ufchat
10:52 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo They do – don’t they? Celts have fairies, Middle Easterns have demons – similar functions in many ways. #UFchat
10:53 pm UF_Chat: Q16: What about humans? What happens when they act monstrous in UF? #UFchat
10:53 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat In UF there are more innocents that can be collateral damage. In horror EVERYTHING is collateral damage. #ufchat
10:53 pm efevans: RT @dref22: RT @leapetra: Death: we are dying as soon as we take our first breath #Buddhism #ufchat
10:53 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Oh, I hadn’t thought of that. True! #UFChat
10:54 pm AnassaRh: A13a: Sentient monsters tend to have motive. Non-sentient just DO. And weres, if written half and half, often have sense of guilt. #ufchat
10:54 pm UF_Chat: Q17: What makes a monster (a real monster ?not a creature that isn?t human- but a horror)? (definition of ‘MONSTER’ pls!) #UFchat
10:54 pm UF_Chat: Q18: What types of real life human monsters are there? #UFchat
10:55 pm UF_Chat: Q18a: Do we see any of the human monsters in UF? Are they treated differently from the creature monsters? #UFchat
10:55 pm MarciSischo: A monster is something that destroys and terrorizes on purpose. With malice aforethought. πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:55 pm AnassaRh: Sentient monsters also get more page-time. Non-sentients often show up, rampage, get killed. They’re more sudden. #ufchat
10:55 pm MarciSischo: That’s why the sentient monsters are more fun. πŸ˜‰ #UFChat
10:55 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat A16: Then they ARE the monster. #ufchat
10:55 pm MarciSischo: Anything else is just… kind of a rabid dog. Gotta put it down, but not really its fault. #UFChat
10:56 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Originally weres have no sense of human minds left when in wolf state. More than beast too – more like madness than wolf. #UFchat
10:56 pm AnassaRh: Looked at bestiaries in a lit class, don’t remember much. Just people with their face in their chest, and no head. #ufchat
10:57 pm UF_Chat: @JSterlingS Yes – so what happens to the UF ‘creatures’/monsters in the same stories then? What’s their function? #UFchat
10:57 pm UF_Chat: Q19: Why DO we need monsters? (essays & studies coming in resources at end for those interested) In our fiction? In our rituals? #UFchat
10:57 pm AnassaRh: I would like to see a lake monster or Kraken, though. #ufchat
10:58 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Yeah. Know that. That’s what I meant with the half-and-half weres. No control as a wolf, guilty over the deaths they cause. #ufchat
10:58 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh I am partial to swamp things and related creatures (I see monsters as the human-like, creatures as the animal-like) #UFchat
10:59 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Yes – interesting society is set up for such a monster, yes? #UFchat
10:59 pm UF_Chat: FINAL Q20: What would you add to a UF Halloween viewing list (beyond typical/straight horror)? #UFchat
11:00 pm AnassaRh: A14a I’ve only seen one book where someone was pulling a Frankenstein. #ufchat
11:00 pm AnassaRh: A14b: In the post I linked to earlier, I made a call for Sasquatch stories. They were a boogieman for some cultures. #ufchat
11:00 pm tasmin21: A20: Old B vampire movie called Razorblade Smile. Vamp chick is the heroine, nice twist at the end. I love it. #UFChat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: I think The Crow is always on my Halloween viewing list (at least would be were it not for toddler) – classic myth & UF & dark #UFchat
11:01 pm JSterlingS: #ufchat The creatures just make the “evil” humans appear to be even more monstrous.
11:01 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh You mean creating own monster? (Pulling a Frankenstein? ) #UFchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 haven’t heard of that one! Must look it up. Thanks! #UFchat
11:02 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Yeah. One of Tanya Huff Blood books involves a scientist reanimating corpses. #ufchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: That?s a wrap for #UFchat today! Got a ton of resources & a few lists (viewing & reading) for you next. #UFchat
11:03 pm MarciSischo: Any campy old 80’s vamp movie. Once Bitten, Twice Shy, that one w/ Bruce Campbell and Lance Henrickson… #UFChat
11:03 pm AnassaRh: Humans who act monstrous in UF often get cast as villains, and get their just deserts in the end. Evil wizard. Zombie summoner. etc. #ufchat
11:03 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat It’s from 1998, Netflix has it. #UFChat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Myself I see Frankenstein as variation on zombie creation. Trying to go one step better… #UFchat
11:04 pm AnassaRh: RT @MarciSischo: A monster is something that destroys and terrorizes on purpose. With malice aforethought. πŸ˜€ #UFChat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: Got a topic you want to chat about? Let me know! (@inkgypsy) I?ll add it to the list & maybe even bump up the chat-date for it. ? #UFchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 Thanks! #UFchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: Some additional resources on monsters and Halloween in next few tweets: #UFchat #UFchat
11:04 pm JSterlingS: @AnassaRh Reminds me of Koontz’ take on Frankenstein. #ufchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: All Things Urban Fantasy: Spooky Legends (Retold By Your Favorite UF Characters) http://bit.ly/aBmMeq #UFchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: @JSterlingS Did you read all 3? #UFchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: Monsters With Human Faces by Emmett Spain (@oldhauntsauthor) http://bit.ly/ceoJvf #UFchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: (Xlnt!) Monsters and the Moral Imagination http://bit.ly/1uvGER #UFchat
11:05 pm AnassaRh: A17/18 Monsters may destroy on purpose, but the ones that can hold back, and know they should, and DON’T, really scare me. #ufchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: Why we need King Kong, Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster http://bit.ly/cC7Pfc #UFchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: We Need New Monsters Because Tweens Have Officially Hijacked Vampires http://bit.ly/bCf6aW #UFchat
11:05 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat I’ve read all but the 4th. #ufchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: A Brief History of Being Scared http://bit.ly/9SAU1K #UFchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Urban Fantasy at the Movies (List for Halloween ? by Goodreads Forum) http://bit.ly/bCRgPS #UFchat
11:06 pm AnassaRh: Psychopaths and sociopaths, in other words. Serial killers. #ufchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Halloween Fiction (List by Beebe Library) http://bit.ly/c5k8sU #UFchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Girl?s Guide to Guns & Monsters (anthology) edited by Martin H. Greenburg & Kerrie Hughes http://bit.ly/aU81wD #UFchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Those Who Fight Monsters : Tales of Occult Detectives (anthology) edited by Justin Gustainis http://bit.ly/ajlqQM #UFchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Why Aren?t Urban Fantasy Creatures More? Urban? http://bit.ly/bgtTFT #UFchat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: Monsters and the Meat-ness of Us http://bit.ly/cy1M54 #UFchat
11:07 pm AnassaRh: So do I. RT @UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Myself I see Frankenstein as variation on zombie creation. Trying to go one step better… #UFchat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: For fun in anticipation of a UF Christmas: Fold Your Own Zombie 2011 Calendar! http://bit.ly/agQZLm #UFchat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: Myths Over Miami (street kids create own myth culture & urban legends) http://bit.ly/XL8IR #UFchat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: #UFchat transcript available on the #UFchat blog in 36hrs-ish, allowing for late comments. Just use the hashtag. ? #UFchat
11:08 pm AnassaRh: A20: Any of the Buffy Hallowe’en episodes. Ghostbusters, though that barely counts. #ufchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: @JSterlingS That’s right – there’s a new release isn’t there? What did you think? (I’ve read 2) #UFchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh All Buffy! LOL #UFchat
11:09 pm AnassaRh: True. But I’m not about to marathon! RT @UF_Chat: @AnassaRh All Buffy! LOL #UFchat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: @UF_Chat lights out. πŸ˜‰ May you all have a happy and safe Halloween & enjoy the monster sightings. πŸ˜‰ ? #UFchat
11:10 pm AnassaRh: I’d also pick the black-and-white episode of Supernatural as slightly silly Halloween fare. #ufchat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Yeah – if only there were time.. sigh. LOL #UFchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: Forgot to mention am still collecting Halloween/haunted/UF blog posts – hope to post late tonight for Halloween reading! πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh I seriously need to catch up on Supernatural… #UFchat
11:11 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: Myths Over Miami (street kids create own myth culture & urban legends) http://bit.ly/XL8IR #UFchat
11:12 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: Why Aren?t Urban Fantasy Creatures More? Urban? http://bit.ly/bgtTFT #UFchat
11:12 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Quite a few X-Files too – didn’t see anyone mention them, despite talking Urban Legends! #UFchat
11:12 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: Monsters and the Meat-ness of Us http://bit.ly/cy1M54 #UFchat
11:12 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: Girl?s Guide to Guns & Monsters (anthology) edited by Martin H. Greenburg & Kerrie Hughes http://bit.ly/aU81wD #UFchat
11:12 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: Halloween Fiction (List by Beebe Library) http://bit.ly/c5k8sU #UFchat
11:12 pm inkgypsy: OK off to give Jackzilla much needed undivided attention. #UFchat was fun (& marathon – was running b/w rooms the whole time!)
11:13 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: (Xlnt!) Monsters and the Moral Imagination http://bit.ly/1uvGER #UFchat
11:13 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: Why we need King Kong, Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster http://bit.ly/cC7Pfc #UFchat
11:13 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: Monsters With Human Faces by Emmett Spain (@oldhauntsauthor) http://bit.ly/ceoJvf #UFchat
11:13 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: Some additional resources on monsters and Halloween in next few tweets: #UFchat #UFchat
11:14 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: I think The Crow is always on my Halloween viewing list (at least would be were it not for toddler) – classic myth & UF & dark #UFchat
11:16 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: FINAL Q20: What would you add to a UF Halloween viewing list (beyond typical/straight horror)? #UFchat
11:17 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: Q18a: Do we see any of the human monsters in UF? Are they treated differently from the creature monsters? #UFchat
11:17 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: Q18: What types of real life human monsters are there? #UFchat
11:18 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: Q17: What makes a monster (a real monster ?not a creature that isn?t human- but a horror)? (definition of ‘MONSTER’ pls!) #UFchat
11:18 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: Q16: What about humans? What happens when they act monstrous in UF? #UFchat
11:19 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: Q15: What kinds (as in types of threats) of monsters are there in UF as opposed to horror? #UFchat
11:19 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: S: (cont) Here is argument for ?transformation? via UF genre: What?s happened to our monsters? http://bit.ly/alWF2D #UFchat
11:19 pm yobyh: RT @UF_Chat: S: Horror has been distinguished from ?dark UF? as the story is about surviving the monster. Been cry: ?monsters disappearing!? #UFchat
11:51 pm hannahnpbowman: .@AnassaRh Also Christian holidays of All Hallows/All Saints/All Souls days (Oct. 31 – Nov. 2) abt. respect for dead, in part #ufchat
October 31, 2010
1:27 am tadbo: Tonight I will write a story about pie. It is a special pie, made by a special family. #halloween #ufchat
6:20 am tadbo: Story halfway done, not counting edits/rewrite. Not gonna make @inkgypsy‘s #ufchat list, but it will be done and up in time for #Halloween.
9:24 am oldhauntsauthor: RT @UF_Chat: Monsters With Human Faces by Emmett Spain (@oldhauntsauthor) http://bit.ly/ceoJvf #UFchat
9:25 am GraylinFox: Happy Halloween Six Sentence Sunday: http://wp.me/p11In3-7d #sixsunday #halloween #samhain #UFChat
11:43 am LaynaPimentel: RT @GraylinFox: Happy Halloween Six Sentence Sunday: http://wp.me/p11In3-7d #sixsunday #halloween #samhain #UFChat
11:48 am jsubject: RT @GraylinFox: Happy Halloween Six Sentence Sunday: http://wp.me/p11In3-7d #sixsunday #halloween #samhain #UFChat
12:01 pm GraylinFox: Now that I’m up – Happy Halloween Six Sentence Sunday: continues the Blog Hop Story. http://wp.me/p11In3-7d #sixsunday #halloween #UFChat
12:37 pm TarynKincaid: RT @GraylinFox: Now that I’m up – Happy Halloween Six Sentence Sunday: continues the Blog Hop Story. http://wp.me/p11In3-7d #sixsunday #halloween #UFChat
2:26 pm Silk_Labyrinth: RT @GraylinFox: Now that I’m up – Happy Halloween Six Sentence Sunday: continues the Blog Hop Story. http://wp.me/p11In3-7d #sixsunday #halloween #UFChat

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END OF TRANSCRIPT FOR OCTOBER 30th, 2010

I’m attempting to get things fixed ore permanently so I can be on Twitter during the week and prep for chats. I’m still hoping to put together the Halloween reading list in time for next Saturday’s #UFchat too – wish me luck in hunting down and capturing all the gremlins at #UFchat headquarters!

Once again:

If you're interested in helping out by being my 'emergency back-up co-moderator' please contact me and let me know!
It'd be awesome to have emergency back-up for the session and also to help get the transcript up within a couple of days
if I have computer &/or toddler issues delaying me. Please @inkgypsy or DM me for details. :)

Stay tuned to @UF_Chat on Twitter for countdowns and updates.

See you next week – and happy NaoNoWriMo-ing for all you ambitious writers out there! Looking forward to hearing about your new UF novels when you’re ready!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)