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Transcript for October 16th, 2010: Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF (incl. plain vanilla humans) Part 1

Welcome back from the forced hiatus! Apologies for the unexpected break but everything appears to be fixed at #UFchat headquarters. πŸ™‚

This week’s topic was a can of worms, opened and spread everywhere, just to get us back in the mood:

Minorities and Other Missing Persons of UF (including plain vanilla humans!)

Official UFchat questions in YELLOW for easier reading.

Resources/ topic-related links are in BLUE.

If anyone wants to expand their thoughts in a blog post (or essay) in the coming weeks let me know and I’ll promote it.

Primer for #UFchat early birds: Analyzing Urban Fantasy by racialicious.com (diversity discussed 4th para on) http://bit.ly/dnUKYq

I added a couple of important notes at the start of the chat which I will repost here at the head:

IMPORTANT #UFchat note: With the subject of minorities, people are bound to feel odd discussing some aspects. Pls note Q’s are in generalities & there will be book & character exceptions to every statement. Please DO share them so all can be aware of them!

October 16, 2010
10:35 am UF_Chat: #UFchat IS BACK ONLINE!! Topic today Oct 16th: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pm PST Pls RT
10:35 am inkgypsy: #UFchat IS BACK ONLINE!! Topic today Oct 16th: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pm PST Pls RT
10:41 am UF_Chat: I’m back online!!!! #UFchat is ready to run – please let all the regulars (& potential newbies) know it’s on again: #UFchat 3pm PST/6pm EST
10:41 am inkgypsy: I’m back online!!!! #UFchat is ready to run – please let all the regulars (& potential newbies) know it’s on again: #UFchat 3pm PST/6pm EST
10:42 am inkgypsy: Wow – made it with hours to spare – literally. Very glad #UFchat will be up and running again – missed everyone (& their yummy brains πŸ˜‰
10:46 am inkgypsy: Just quickly – I’m behind online in EVERYTHING thanks to my multi-week internet outage. #UFchat 1st then replies, blogs & so on – ‘k?
12:30 pm outagetracker: RT @inkgypsy Just quickly – I’m behind online in EVERYTHING thanks to my multi-week internet outage. #UFchat 1st then replies, blogs & so…
1:28 pm AnassaRh: RT @UF_Chat: #UFchat IS BACK ONLINE!! Topic today Oct 16th: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pm PST Pls RT
1:48 pm LocoLuna: RT @inkgypsy: #UFchat IS BACK ONLINE!! Topic today Oct 16th: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (inc plain old humans!) 3pm PST Pls RT
3:05 pm Cher_Dawn: RT @UF_Chat: I’m back online!!!! #UFchat is ready to run – please let all the regulars (& potential newbies) know it’s on again: #UFchat 3pm PST/6pm EST
5:00 pm inkgypsy: #UFchat is BACK! Yay! TODAY’S TOPIC: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pm PST/6pm EST Pls RT
5:00 pm UF_Chat: #UFchat is BACK! Yay! TODAY’S TOPIC: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pm PST/6pm EST Pls RT
5:01 pm StephanieLMcGee: @inkgypsy Welcome back! Sadly, I have to work so I won’t be able to join y’all for #UFChat this time around.
5:05 pm edentyler: RT @inkgypsy: #UFchat is BACK! Yay! TODAY’S TOPIC: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pm PST/6pm EST Pls RT
5:16 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat And this time I’m going to drink enough coffee to make it through the chat… #UFchat
6:00 pm inkgypsy: The Missing Persons of UF are tracked down TODAY in #UFchat (yes – I’m back online!) – Minorities & much more… 3pm PST/6pm EST
6:00 pm UF_Chat: The Missing Persons of UF are tracked down TODAY in #UFchat (yes – I’m back online!) – Minorities & much more… 3pm PST/6pm EST
6:55 pm tadbo: RT @inkgypsy: The Missing Persons of UF are tracked down TODAY in #UFchat (yes – I’m back online!) – Minorities & much more. 3pm PST/6pm EST
7:00 pm inkgypsy: 3 hours till #UFchat today! Yes – I’m baaaack… (no more search parties needed) The Missing Persons of UF – found! Today @ 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:00 pm UF_Chat: 3 hours till #UFchat today! Yes – I’m baaaack… (no more search parties needed) The Missing Persons of UF – found! Today @ 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:01 pm TENscribeshop: RT @inkgypsy: 3 hours till #UFchat today! Yes – I’m baaaack…The Missing Persons of UF – found! Today @ 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:01 pm cindymariej: RT @inkgypsy: 3 hours till #UFchat today! Yes – I’m baaaack…The Missing Persons of UF – found! Today @ 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:06 pm Patti_OShea: RT @inkgypsy: 3 hours till #UFchat today! Yes – I’m baaaack… (no more search parties needed) The Missing Persons of UF – found! Today @ 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:25 pm AlyxDellamonica: RT @inkgypsy: #UFchat is BACK! Yay! TODAY’S TOPIC: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pm PST/6pm EST Pls RT
7:34 pm miranda00writes: RT @UF_Chat: 3 hours till #UFchat today! Yes – I’m baaaack… (no more search parties needed) The Missing Persons of UF – found! Today @ 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:34 pm elizabethkarr: RT @inkgypsy: 3 hours till #UFchat today! Yes – I’m baaaack… (no more search parties needed) The Missing Persons of UF – found! Today @ 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:42 pm MarciSischo: RT @inkgypsy: 3 hours till #UFchat today! Yes – I’m baaaack… (no more search parties needed) The Missing Persons of UF – found! Today @ 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:00 pm inkgypsy: #UFchat is back! 2 hours till chat time! TODAY: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:00 pm UF_Chat: #UFchat is back! 2 hours till chat time! TODAY: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:13 pm DEcharacters: Looking forward to this week’s chat, if I can post using the chat site. #UFchat
8:16 pm inkgypsy: @DEcharacters Hi! I use Tweetchat as it seems to work best but I also have Tweetdeck open as backup. Hope to see you at #UFchat today!
8:20 pm inkgypsy: @VampBookClub Am reconnected to interwebz! Able to make #UFchat today? So behind due to outage, have no idea what’s happening in universe..
8:27 pm inkgypsy: @Daylilie222 Hi! I wasn’t home much and I had #UFchat to prep for so had to be disciplined – up till 4am as it was not having any other opp!
8:29 pm DEcharacters: @inkgypsy The last few weeks when I’ve tried chat it wouldn’t show any of my posts from this username, but it’s working this week #UFchat
8:30 pm inkgypsy: 90 mins till #UFchat! WE’RE BACK ONLINE!! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including garden variety humans!) 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:30 pm UF_Chat: 90 mins till #UFchat! WE’RE BACK ONLINE!! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including garden variety humans!) 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:31 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @inkgypsy: 90 mins till #UFchat! WE’RE BACK ONLINE!! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including garden variety humans!) 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:35 pm NebuKhet: RT @inkgypsy: 90 mins till #UFchat! WE’RE BACK ONLINE!! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including garden variety humans!) 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:40 pm Patti_OShea: RT @inkgypsy: 90 mins till #UFchat! WE’RE BACK ONLINE!! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including garden variety humans!) 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:49 pm LaylaMessner: @inkgypsy Welcome back!!! #UFchat
8:50 pm inkgypsy: @DEcharacters I’ve been offline – no internet access so #UFchat has been on forced hiatus as result BUT I’m back today & it’s running! Yay.
8:55 pm amandabonilla: Hoping to get all of my errands done in time for #ufchat. 3…2…1… GO!
8:59 pm UF_Chat: Got my can opener ready for the can of worms I’m bringing to #UFchat today… he he…
8:59 pm inkgypsy: Got my can opener ready for the can of worms I’m bringing to #UFchat today… he he…
9:00 pm UF_Chat: 1 hour countdown till #UFchat today! Pls spread word we’re up & running again! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF 3pmPST
9:00 pm inkgypsy: 1 hour countdown till #UFchat today! Pls spread word we’re up & running again! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF 3pmPST
9:08 pm wildbloom: RT @inkgypsy: 1 hour countdown till #UFchat today! Pls spread word we’re up & running again! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF 3pmPST
9:29 pm inkgypsy: I have an awesome guest post on the dark heroes of urban fantasy I can’t wait to put up! After #UFchat today – stay tuned!
9:30 pm UF_Chat: Only 30 minutes to the controversial return of #UFchat! (you know you want ‘in’) Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:30 pm inkgypsy: Only 30 minutes to the controversial return of #UFchat! (you know you want ‘in’) Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:30 pm edentyler: RT @inkgypsy: 90 mins till #UFchat! WE’RE BACK ONLINE!! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including garden variety humans!) 3pmPST/6pmEST
9:32 pm TENscribeshop: RT @UF_Chat: Only 30 min 2 controversial return of #UFchat! (you know U wnt ‘in’) Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:32 pm cindymariej: RT @UF_Chat: Only 30 min 2 controversial return of #UFchat! (you know U wnt ‘in’) Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:35 pm edentyler: RT @inkgypsy: Only 30 minutes to the controversial return of #UFchat! (you know you want ‘in’) Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:37 pm Saffy: @inkgypsy I’m going to be off to bed 😦 so no me as either Saffy or @TheMonsterBlogs I’m afraid #UFChat
9:38 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: #UFchat More coffee!
9:41 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @MauriceBroaddus #UFChat is discussing missing minorities (including vanilla humans) in Urban Fantasy. Starts in 20mins.
9:43 pm annikkawoods: @inkgypsy And I’m REALLY looking forward to #UFChat today. I’d bounce up & down but I’d hurt myself again. LOL
9:45 pm inkgypsy: 15 minutes to #UFchat! Time to pull on my boots & check my search ‘n’ rescue pack – we’re hunting down The Missing Persons of UF! 3pmPST
9:45 pm UF_Chat: 15 minutes to #UFchat! Time to pull on my boots & check my search ‘n’ rescue pack – we’re hunting down The Missing Persons of UF! 3pmPST
9:45 pm annikkawoods: RT 15 minutes to #UFchat! Time to pull on my boots & check my search ‘n’ rescue pack – we’re hunting down The Missing Persons of UF! 3pmPST
9:49 pm AnassaRh: Getting ready for #UFChat! Excited to have it back. New followers, prepare thyselves. I’m about to get talkative.
9:51 pm UF_Chat: Does word ‘minority’ make you twitchy? What if I told you humans are just that in UF? Come look at our can of worms today- #UFchat -10 mins!
9:51 pm inkgypsy: Does word ‘minority’ make you twitchy? What if I told you humans are just that in UF? Come look at our can of worms today- #UFchat -10 mins!
9:51 pm JulieeJohnsonn: RT @UF_Chat: Does word ‘minority’ make you twitchy? What if I told you humans are just that in UF? Come look at our can of worms today- #UFchat -10 mins!
9:52 pm AnassaRh: RT @inkgypsy: Does word ‘minority’ make you twitchy? What if I told you humans are just that in UF? Come look at our can of worms today- #UFchat -10 mins!
9:52 pm KellyMeding: RT @UF_Chat: Does word ‘minority’ make you twitchy? What if I told you humans are just that in UF? Come look at our can of worms today- #UFchat -10 mins!
9:52 pm inkgypsy: About to change identities to the #UFchat moderator – getting boots on & sharpening my can opener for the worms I’m about to spill… he he!
9:53 pm UF_Chat: Primer for #UFchat early birds: Analyzing Urban Fantasy by racialicious.com (diversity discussed 4th para on) http://bit.ly/dnUKYq #UFchat
9:53 pm JulieeJohnsonn: Urban fantasy enthusiasts! #UFchat is soon to start! 6PM EST! Great group to chat with! Come join!
9:56 pm shadowflame1974: RT @UF_Chat: Primer for #UFchat early birds: Analyzing Urban Fantasy by racialicious.com (diversity discussed 4th para on) http://bit.ly/dnUKYq #UFchat
9:56 pm shadowflame1974: Yea, home in time for #UFchat
9:57 pm UF_Chat: Taking urban fantasy and shaking up cans of worms on #UFchat today. Minorities & Other Missing Persons (including humans!) in UF!
9:57 pm wildbloom: Finally made it to #UFChat
9:58 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: #UFChat Grab some coffee while we warm up.
9:58 pm annikkawoods: RT Primer for #UFchat early birds: Analyzing Urban Fantasy (diversity discussed 4th para on) http://bit.ly/dnUKYq #UFchat
9:58 pm MarciSischo: Hello, UFChat! I’ve been trying to make this chat since it started! πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:00 pm UF_Chat: 3, 2… & now live with #UFchat! Welcome back after #UFchat?s forced hiatus! Let’s get back in the saddle with something controversial:
10:00 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Hello! Welcome! So glad to be back myself & welcome a #UFchat newbie all in one day. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:00 pm UF_Chat: @wildbloom Hi! Great to see you today! #UFchat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: There may be a lot of exclamation marks today as I’m so happy to be back finally!! LOL #UFchat
10:01 pm wildbloom: @UF_Chat Glad to be here. Bring on the UF goodness. πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: TODAY?S TOPIC: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF ? esp. in MCs -(including plain old vanilla humans!) #UFchat
10:01 pm DEcharacters: Yay! and I got back from the grocery store just in time #UFchat
10:01 pm AnassaRh: It’s good to be back. Excited for the topic! #UFChat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: IMPORTANT #UFchat note: With subject of minorities, people are bound to feel odd discussing some aspects. Pls note Q’s are in generalities..
10:02 pm annikkawoods: Yay! So glad to have you back. *snuggles down* Ready for the chat! #ufchat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: IMPORTANT #UFchat cont: & there will be book & character exceptions to every statement. Please DO share them so all can be aware of them!
10:02 pm UF_Chat: Reminder: ?S? stands for statement which will be followed by a ?Q? (a related #UFchat question for discussion). #UFchat
10:03 pm UF_Chat: For those who missed it, the primer for #UFchat early birds discusses some of the (lack of) diversity in UF http://bit.ly/dnUKYq #UFchat
10:03 pm UF_Chat: S: UF initially preferred non-standards for MCs (misfits, strong/violent women, not blonde etc) but now accused of lack diversity. #UFchat
10:03 pm UF_Chat: Q1: Who are the ?missing persons? of UF ? particularly w regard to MCs? (There are a lot?) & don?t forget vanilla variety humans! #UFchat
10:04 pm last_lines: Made it to the chat #ufchat
10:04 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat Hello all! I was away for awhile. Glad to be back! Topic looks very interesting! #ufchat
10:04 pm MarciSischo: Just discussing topic with my co-author. The only example he can think of is a cartoon network cartoon. #UFChat
10:04 pm Patti_OShea: RT @inkgypsy: Does word ‘minority’ make you twitchy? What if I told you humans are just that in UF? Come look at our can of worms today- #UFchat -10 mins!
10:04 pm annikkawoods: A1: Blacks, Hispanics, Japanese, Asian in general, anyone not white…and of course plain vanilla humans are all missing. #ufchat
10:05 pm MarciSischo: Er, only example of minorities w/ lead roles in UF, that is. #UFChat
10:05 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat I think UF was really the frontier, but its becoming mainstream…hence the lack of diversity #ufchat
10:05 pm DEcharacters: I think some diversity is there, the books are just harder to find. GLBT in most genres takes research instead of grab off shelf #UFchat
10:05 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo LOL What cartoon is that? #UFchat
10:05 pm MarciSischo: Well, I suppose there’s Anita Blake herself. Half-Mexican but, & I quote, “pale enough to pass.” *eyeroll* #UFChat
10:06 pm MarciSischo: Um … seems like the character’s name is Jake Long? #UFChat
10:06 pm annikkawoods: @DEcharacters I’ve had a heck of a time finding GLBT characters. #ufchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: @JulieeJohnsonn Yes – started by hitting atypical heroines/heroes & tropes but now mainstreamed. Interesting societal response! #UFchat
10:06 pm cindymariej: Jumping in and out of #UFChat – more of a listener!
10:06 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Um, American Dragon. Jake Long, high school kid, Asian, turns into a dragon & fights evil in his spare time. #UFChat
10:07 pm simonm223: Oh hey, #ufchat is now. Kewl!
10:07 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo American Dragon: Jake Long is the cartoon series & it’s actually on Disney, I think. #ufchat
10:07 pm AnassaRh: A1: Non-whites, definitely and LGBT MCs. And I think we’ve skewed too far towards violent. Need to move back to more normal people. #ufchat
10:07 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Hi Patti! Should be a fun topic today (hope we don’t ruffle feathers TOO much, though some is good. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:07 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: #UFchat Kingmaker is a good example of non-white UF
10:07 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo Anita doesn’t count. She’s “white associated”, aka she sees herself as white rather than half Mexican. #ufchat
10:07 pm simonm223: RT @annikkawoods: A1: Blacks, Hispanics, Japanese, Asian in general, anyone not white…and of course plain vanilla humans missing. #ufchat
10:08 pm MarciSischo: @annikkawoods Ah, that’s it! He wasn’t sure. πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:08 pm DEcharacters: @annikkawoods same here. even generalized fantasy, there are some old ones an occasional new but i really have to search for any #UFchat
10:08 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo See? That’s great! I’d add Sesame Street too – classic urban fantasy (for kids) with diversity! πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:08 pm simonm223: @annikkawoods correction: Asians who are not senseis or sifus for MCs. #ufchat
10:08 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo Kid I used to babysit loved the show. #ufchat
10:08 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @AnassaRh Definately need some non bad ass VCs #ufchat
10:08 pm MarciSischo: @annikkawoods Nah, I wouldn’t count her either. I was just always annoyed w/ the “pale enough to pass” line. πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:08 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat what’s great about UF is it has potential for more diversity within the fantasy structure…wonder why its not? #ufchat
10:09 pm UF_Chat: S: 2 trends re minorities (either as is or represented by supernatural race): 1) hardly any 2) a ton of different min. in one place. #UFchat
10:09 pm annikkawoods: @DEcharacters I’ve seen a few YA offerings come out. But not much. #ufchat
10:09 pm UF_Chat: Q2: Why are there often no (or hardly any) minority groups represented in a chock-full creature UF world? #UFchat
10:09 pm annikkawoods: @simonm223 Very true. Too many of them are “teachers” and not the MC themselves. #ufchat
10:09 pm UF_Chat: @JulieeJohnsonn EGGZACTLY! (hence the topic) πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:10 pm AnassaRh: RT @JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat what’s great about UF is it has potential for more diversity within the fantasy structure…wonder why its not? #ufchat
10:10 pm MarciSischo: @JulieeJohnsonn Are most UF writers whites, themselves? #UFChat
10:10 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat A2:Probably because people aren’t as willing to write non-white MCs because that’s always been seen as the “norm”. #ufchat
10:11 pm MarciSischo: We’ve made an effort to add minorities to our book, but they aren’t MCs. (Nor are they stereotype teachers. Heh.) #UFChat
10:11 pm last_lines: My WIP is set in Africa so actually has many African characters..two of the MCs are african #ufchat
10:11 pm DEcharacters: I don’t read much in genre yet, but do all books say the characters race? or does it end up that way with covers, etc? #UFchat
10:12 pm annikkawoods: @DEcharacters A lot of times it does reference how “pale” they are, or how enemies fear to “mar the pale perfection” of their bodies #ufchat
10:12 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo That’s a good question and from tours & profiles it would seem so.. which begs question is UF more appealing to whites? #UFchat
10:12 pm AnassaRh: A2: Easiest answer’s probably that writers want to be seen as diverse, so use a bunch of skin colors instead of one or two. #ufchat
10:13 pm annikkawoods: I do have minorities as MCs in my books. Cel’s 1/2 Mexican (and identifies as Mexican), Sal’s Native American, and Jae is Japanese. #ufchat
10:13 pm UF_Chat: Q2a: On other extreme, why is tendency to lump lots of minorities into one place (ie ALL/MANY represented in one room/pack/hive etc) #UFchat
10:13 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat As a small-town white girl myself, I tend to not use minorities, because I’m afraid of getting them wrong by mistake. #UFChat
10:13 pm AnassaRh: A2: Also, if you have lots of one min. group, then you probably have to research the culture more. Harder to gloss over. #ufchat
10:13 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat To me, that’s b/c in cities minorities do tend to lump together in neighborhoods according to their racial profiles. #ufchat
10:14 pm DEcharacters: @annikkawoods interesting. Might check for that in my reading. I rarely ever mention any characters’ skin tone or race in general #UFchat
10:14 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: A2 TV: recently told to think in terms of ‘raceless’ characters. Raceless=white 9 times out of 10. #UFChat
10:14 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @MarciSischo that’s what I suspect, they don’t go beyond their own race reality…afraid to? introducing race can be tricky…? #ufchat
10:14 pm annikkawoods: @DEcharacters I tend to do it to give people an idea of what I see when I think of the character. But I try to keep it vague too. #ufchat
10:15 pm MarciSischo: @JulieeJohnsonn Well, I wouldn’t want to inadvertently offend someone. That’s why I’m careful about it. #UFChat
10:15 pm wildbloom: My WIP has white, african american and asian–all sisters–in main or sub-main roles. It’s been interesting to write. #UFChat
10:15 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: A2 – I have mixed race protagonist for my series. #UFChat
10:15 pm annikkawoods: @JulieeJohnsonn It is tricky. I’ve been blessed to have several multi-ethnicity friends. Otherwise I’d be scared to try. #ufchat
10:15 pm AnassaRh: I think min. groups do tend to clump in our world. Solidarity, similarities, protection ? So why not in packs and hives? #ufchat
10:16 pm wildbloom: Haven’t read some of those other UF books, so I can’t comment on their MCs. #UFChat
10:16 pm AnassaRh: But to have a mix of minorities in the same group? Not as likely. #ufchat
10:16 pm UF_Chat: @annikkawoods Yes -re groups tog -meant more of all diff types lumped tog. Rarely see Asian, Hispanic, Blacks etc all tog in 1 place #UFchat
10:16 pm AnassaRh: Oh! Other minorities we’ve missed: disabled, handicapped, visually impaired, etc. #ufchat
10:16 pm MarciSischo: Our MCs are white, but we have several minority 2nd characters. #UFChat
10:17 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat That’s true. The mixed minorities don’t happen very often unless you’ve got a ghetto & then the lines are still drawn. #ufchat
10:17 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Maybe didn’t phrase Q well – meant all DIFF minorities clumping together in same place – that rarely happens IRL. #UFchat
10:17 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat At least, that’s been my experience. I could be totally off on my last comment. #ufchat
10:17 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Yay! Was hoping someone would start thinking outside race. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:18 pm DEcharacters: @AnassaRh good one. I did find the character interesting in Avatar as he was in a wheel chair in his human body #UFchat
10:18 pm UF_Chat: @annikkawoods Agree – in fact in ghettos lines are often STRONGLY drawn b/w races – to extremes it seems. #UFchat
10:18 pm annikkawoods: @AnassaRh Good point. We do tend to overlook them & they’re minorities. Though to be honest, I’m not sure a disabled MC would work #ufchat
10:18 pm AnassaRh: MCs in WIP include 2 of Chinese descent. Want to run MS past people with same background before subbing (if I can find some). #ufchat
10:19 pm MarciSischo: The MC for Tanya Huff’s detective series was going blind. It was a big thing in the early books. #UFChat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: @annikkawoods There is one successful series where MC has vision impairment that gets worse thru 4 bks before gets turned to vamp. #UFchat
10:19 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat I was working my way to addressing that. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
10:19 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @annikkawoods I think a disabled MC might work – wizard in a wheelchair anyone? #ufchat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo That’s the one – Tanya Huff. #UFchat
10:19 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo Haven’t read those. Think I’ll have to look into that. @UF_Chat which series? I’d love to read those. #ufchat
10:20 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Yep. Can’t for the life of me remember the name of the series, though. MC was Victoria, vamp was Henry Fitzhugh, though. #UFChat
10:20 pm cindymariej: @DEcharacters That’s where the interesting part of him ended, unfortunately #notanAvatarfan #UFchat
10:20 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Maybe that’s one of reasons don’t see it much – people want 2 cents from people of ‘x’ descent before submitting -not easy #UFchat
10:20 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Think I’ll have to look those up. #ufchat
10:20 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @annikkawoods @AnassaRh but in fantasy world ‘disability’ could = difference but also = a special power: like in comicbooks #ufchat
10:20 pm UF_Chat: Q3: Racial minorities: who?s often missing from the ranks? (not just MCs). #UFchat
10:21 pm MarciSischo: @annikkawoods Aha! Google says they were called the “Blood Books.” Blood Price, Blood Trail, etc. #UFChat
10:21 pm UF_Chat: Re Q3 think beyond ‘Asian, Black, Hispanic’ etc – many more peoples in the world… #UFchat
10:21 pm cindymariej: RT @MarciSischo: The MC for Tanya Huff’s detective series was going blind. It was a big thing in the early books. #UFChat
10:21 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat You don’t see many (if any) Middle Eastern characters. Or many deaf ones. #ufchat
10:22 pm AnassaRh: @annikkawoods Don’t see why not. We have wheelchair athletes, so why not wheelchair fighters? They’d also work in less actiony plots #ufchat
10:22 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo *adds to the TBR list* Hanging out with all of you has definitely improved my reading list. LOL #ufchat
10:22 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Q3: Kazahks, Uzbeks , Georgians etc #UFchat
10:22 pm UF_Chat: @JulieeJohnsonn Xlnt! Agree – rarely see it as such but the potential definitely there. #UFchat
10:22 pm annikkawoods: @AnassaRh A very good point. And I stand corrected. LOL I guess I’m a little more narrow-minded than I thought. #ufchat
10:23 pm AnassaRh: @annikkawoods Limping MCs, MCs with glasses or artificial limbs ? I see backstory and obstacles, not impossibility. #ufchat
10:23 pm J_GriffinB: Bit late, but here. #ufchat
10:23 pm UF_Chat: Q3a: Age groups: who?s missing, especially in lead roles? #UFchat
10:23 pm DEcharacters: here’s a question. how often does white consider the characters family background? or is it just a general used type #UFchat
10:23 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Indonesians, anyone who doesn’t have a media presence in the US #UFchat
10:23 pm MarciSischo: Q3 — I can’t think of any Middle Eastern characters or MCs. Seems a shame, too. Their mythology is ripe for UF plunder. πŸ˜‰ #UFChat
10:23 pm annikkawoods: I also tend to look at disabilities as MENTAL disabilities. Too many deaf/blind friends who didn’t look on it like that. #ufchat
10:23 pm AnassaRh: I liked her! RT @MarciSischo: The MC for Tanya Huff’s detective series was going blind. It was a big thing in the early books. #UFChat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: Q3b: Other minorities: sexual orientation, disabled, religious? what?s missing from mainstream UF particularly re MCs? #UFchat
10:24 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Teenagers that AREN’T raised to be “the chosen one”, middle aged heroes/heroines. #ufchat
10:25 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Aged people #UFchat
10:25 pm MarciSischo: Vanilla humans in general are missing from the genre. That annoys me a bit. I’d like to see the “norms” better represented. #UFChat
10:25 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat LGBT was already mentioned. The disabled in just about any variety. MCs who AREN’T tied to the Catholic church in some way. #ufchat
10:25 pm J_GriffinB: The fat, the ugly, the coneheads… #ufchat
10:25 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Q3b out and out athiests #UFchat
10:26 pm DEcharacters: does the character have to be sexual? *thinking of asexual characters* #UFchat
10:26 pm MarciSischo: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Q3b out and out athiests — TOTALLY. #UFChat
10:26 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Plain, nerdy, more intelligent than strong, sickly, etc. There’s so much out there that ISN’T included in UF. #ufchat
10:26 pm AnassaRh: @ufchat With Twitter and other networking, shouldn’t be hard to find someone though. And I’m in heavily Asian city, too. #ufchat
10:26 pm UF_Chat: Q3c: Who else is missing? How about plain ‘vanilla’ humans w no ?half? heritages or magical doodads they?re the keeper/user of? #UFchat
10:27 pm J_GriffinB: A3c: I’d like to see the Flashman of the UF world. #ufchat
10:28 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Q3c: Murphy in Dresden #UFchat
10:28 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh That’s awesome-was just thinking re many authors who want to use a diff heritage & don’t b/c don’t have real life ‘access’ #UFchat
10:28 pm MarciSischo: Q3c — Yeah, that drives me nuts. I’d love to see more of that. Several of my secondaries are just humans. #UFChat
10:28 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat Q3b: all these ideas R great, but I always wonder…how far can U go BR you R out of the genre? Can U change tropes 2 much? #ufchat
10:28 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Q3c: Vanilla humans have short life spans unless they tool up quick. #UFchat
10:28 pm MarciSischo: @Ben_Aaronovitch That’s the only one I can think of off the top of my head, though. #UFChat
10:29 pm AnassaRh: Q3: To add to the list, Koreans, Thai, Filipinos, Polynesians, Mongols? #ufchat
10:29 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @J_GriffinB Flashman: a feel a series coming on, sort of Interview with a Non Vampire #ufchat
10:29 pm UF_Chat: Q4: Why has there been a tendency to stick to the young, single, hot, usually Caucasian, often magically-enhanced/powered ?type?? #UFchat
10:29 pm annikkawoods: @JulieeJohnsonn I look at it this way. Tropes are guides, not hard & fast rules. Rules were meant to be bent or broken in writing. #ufchat
10:30 pm J_GriffinB: @AnassaRh Or the Aboriginal Dreaming. #ufchat
10:30 pm simonm223: RT @J_GriffinB: The fat, the ugly, the coneheads… #ufchat
10:30 pm simonm223: RT @MarciSischo: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Q3b out and out athiests — TOTALLY. #UFChat
10:30 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Most easily marketed. #ufchat
10:30 pm AnassaRh: A3a: Would love to over-30s and over-50s, any gender. #ufchat
10:30 pm simonm223: RT @UF_Chat: Q3c: Who else is missing? How about plain ‘vanilla’ humans w no ?half? heritages or magical doodads they?re user of? #UFchat
10:31 pm MarciSischo: RT @J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Most easily marketed. — Yep, I think you’re on to something. #UFChat
10:31 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Q4: answer is embedded in the question – young. single, hot…. #UFchat
10:31 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Very interested in that too -Aussie here and even when modernized the Aboriginal people have strong spiritual connection #UFchat
10:31 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @annikkawoods yes, agreed, but the transformation of tropes has 2 B gradual? Big breaks from tradition = not in genre anymore? #ufchat
10:31 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat The dreaming is an unopened box of goodies. #ufchat
10:32 pm AnassaRh: A3b: We’re missing non-Christians, for sure. Lots more religions to choose from. #ufchat
10:32 pm MarciSischo: (You all know I’m taking notes here, so I can double-check against our WIP, right? πŸ˜‰ ) #UFChat
10:32 pm last_lines: I think normal “vanilla” mc would make interesting reading, that would be why the fantasy creatures are drawn to them & viceversa. #ufchat
10:32 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Yes but also why? I don’t find those type appealing in daily life (esp in jaded LA) – so why so much in UF? #UFchat
10:32 pm AnassaRh: RT @annikkawoods: Plain, nerdy, more intelligent than strong, sickly, etc. There’s so much out there that ISN’T included in UF. #ufchat
10:32 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @JulieeJohnsonn TRuce but not sure race/class/kickassness of MC is a critical trope. #ufchat
10:32 pm datadivajf: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: A2 TV: recently told to think in terms of ‘raceless’ characters. Raceless=white 9 times out of 10. #UFChat
10:33 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo He he – it’s one of the reasons we have the chat – to help y’all write awesome UF! πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:33 pm J_GriffinB: @Ben_Aaronovitch A coward who gets credit for fighting the evils would be quite fun, I think…. #ufchat
10:33 pm UF_Chat: S: One of the first big UF series by LA Banks had strong black female MC. #UFchat
10:33 pm UF_Chat: Q5: Why has there been a distinct lack of black MCs in urban fantasy despite success of The Vampire Huntress series? #UFchat
10:33 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat Q4: sex sells? people want to identify with a powerful individual, and that is how our society defines power? #ufchat
10:33 pm annikkawoods: @JulieeJohnsonn Genre guidelines, I’ve noticed, get blurred all the time. That’s why I tell my story & worry about genre later. #ufchat
10:34 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @J_GriffinB Oh man, the true adventures of Van Helsing – there just aren’t enough hours in the day (wail) #ufchat
10:34 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat romance and fantasy. No one wants to identify with the fat, ugly, narcissism and halitosis of reality. They want hotnsexy #ufchat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: @JulieeJohnsonn Agree on surface but we tire of it quickly & UF great at dealing with societal issues so why not transcend this 2? #UFchat
10:34 pm last_lines: RT @annikkawoods: Genre guidelines, Ive noticed, get blurred all the time. Thats why I tell my story & worry about genre later. #ufchat
10:34 pm AnassaRh: A4: Easier to give them drama outside of main plot. Multiple love interests, for starters? #ufchat
10:35 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @annikkawoods I find that so interesting. Other writes have said that. But I can’t escape genre, always aware of the boundaries! #ufchat
10:35 pm Cher_Dawn: @null A lot of all this depends on the writer. We write what we know. It’s hard to fake being another race, etc. #UFchat
10:35 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Halitosis IS a problem – esp for women to get beyond in mates. Smell is more important than looks according to studies.. #UFchat
10:35 pm simonm223: RT @J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat romance and fantasy. No one wants to identify with the fat, ugly, narcissism and halitosis of reality. #ufchat
10:35 pm J_GriffinB: @JulieeJohnsonn Write it. Let others decide your genre, then disappoint them. #ufchat
10:35 pm MarciSischo: RT @Cher_Dawn: @null A lot of all this depends on the writer. We write what we know. Its hard to fake being another race, etc. #UFChat
10:36 pm miranda00writes: Q5: Maybe authors write what they live? If they live in a diverse family or community, then their characters will be as well. #UFChat
10:36 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat It’s taken me 24 months from idea to release so many more could be on the way #UFchat
10:36 pm UF_Chat: @Cher_Dawn Agree – and it DOES seem more whites write UF than other heritages. Not sure why that’s the case though. #UFchat
10:36 pm MarciSischo: @Cher_Dawn True that. Main reason right there why I’ll prob never write a minority MC. I’d be scared of screwing it up. #UFChat
10:37 pm UF_Chat: Should I repost Q5? #UFchat
10:37 pm annikkawoods: @JulieeJohnsonn I prefer writing w/o boundaries. One of the reasons I write UF/fantasy most of the time. Boundaries are set by me. #ufchat
10:37 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Of course it is. That is why I own stock in altoids. Soon my massive cranium shall be the norm. All shall worship my skull. #ufchat
10:37 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @miranda00writes Growing up with diverse neighbours, friends etc certainly helps #UFChat
10:37 pm miranda00writes: For example, I’m in a mixed-race marriage, so guess what? Often my protagonist is as well. #UFchat
10:37 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat There was a Q5? #UFChat
10:37 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat Yes + I think UF is going 2 do amazing things in terms of gender, race, etc as writers subtly transform the genre. #ufchat
10:38 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Now we have no empires, we must impose our thoughts on others in some manner. #ufchat
10:38 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Seems we are VERY concerned about stepping on minority toes in this PC age – which is ironic considering what UF is. #UFchat
10:38 pm AnassaRh: A4: Also maybe we/pubs think UF = escapist and escapist = younger MC than reader? #ufchat
10:38 pm UF_Chat: REPOST for Q5 – S: One of the first big UF series by LA Banks had strong black female MC. #UFchat
10:39 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Well, I’ve never known many minorities. I feel like even w/ research, I’d mess up the culture if I tried, you know? #UFChat
10:39 pm UF_Chat: Q5: Why has there been a distinct lack of black MCs in urban fantasy despite success of The Vampire Huntress series? #UFchat
10:39 pm annikkawoods: A5: There’s a lack of black MCs because people are scared to write them. The stigma of being non-white is so strong even today. #ufchat
10:39 pm Cher_Dawn: #null And it depends on what the publishers are buying/marketing/ as hot (or not) and what readers are buying. #UFchat
10:39 pm J_GriffinB: @MarciSischo Always good to know what you can do and what might be a stretch. #ufchat
10:39 pm JulieeJohnsonn: Thanks everyone for a great #ufchat! Unfortunately, I have to go grocery shopping now (I’ve held off long enough!) See you next time! πŸ™‚
10:40 pm annikkawoods: A5: It’s why there’s a distinct lack of non-white MCs. People are scared to branch out from what’s normal/what they see sells. #ufchat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Hmm – pity re that POV of younger – don’t agree with it, but that’s me… #UFchat
10:40 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat I think the number is increasing. #UFchat
10:40 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat I’d put it down to what we’ve already said. Us whites are too worried about writing minorities & Doin It Rong. πŸ˜‰ #UFChat
10:40 pm wildbloom: I’ve known a few writers who do black MCs but they aren’t mainstream published, nor are they novels yet. Great MCs, too. #UFChat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: @JulieeJohnsonn Thanks for joining in! Awesome contributions today. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: S: Oddly, urban FICTION (as opposed to urban FANTASY) not only suggests inner-city & grit but often black characters too. #UFchat
10:40 pm J_GriffinB: @MarciSischo I think that is it. #ufchat
10:41 pm AnassaRh: @annikkawoods A5: I’d say the stigma of Getting It Wrong is just as powerful. #ufchat
10:41 pm UF_Chat: Q5a: Why is there not more prevalence of black MCs, characters & culture in inner city UF stories as in life? #UFchat
10:41 pm wildbloom: We might see more diversity as more people get published w/Kindle etc. #UFChat
10:41 pm UF_Chat: Q5b: Quick survey shows more Native American MCs than black to date, tho both are still rare. Why more Native Americans than blacks? #UFchat
10:41 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Q5: Kingmaker is a case in point. #UFchat
10:41 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Yeah, I don’t agree either (Gimme older!) but I’ve read that’s “what people want”. #ufchat
10:42 pm annikkawoods: @AnassaRh True. There’s that aspect of it too. I’d be kind of scared to write someone from Russia or China. No friends from there. #ufchat
10:42 pm Faithful_Shadow: #UFchat Maybe because black MCs are expected to conform to the usual excepted black stereotype.
10:42 pm MarciSischo: A5a — I’ve noticed that w/ Dresden Files. It’s in Chicago.There should be more minorities, esp. Blacks, Asians, but there’s v. few. #UFChat
10:42 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat because NA are already associated w/shamanism & mysticism in the US, and ‘noble red man’ is another well established trope #ufchat
10:42 pm UF_Chat: Wow – only 20 mins to go and still a ton of questions – will ask near end if people want to explore this topic more next week. #UFchat
10:43 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat A5b Native Americans more romanticised than black people #UFchat
10:43 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat I can say that I have a Native American b/c I loved the idea of a woman cursed by Raven. I know more abt them than blacks. #ufchat
10:43 pm UF_Chat: @Faithful_Shadow That’s a good point! #UFchat
10:43 pm Cher_Dawn: #UFchat Is urban fantasy written by white authors mostly? Was the Vampire Huntress series written by a black author?
10:43 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @annikkawoods Research, anything can be solved with enough research. #ufchat
10:43 pm AnassaRh: A5b: Because Native myths are more diverse and interesting to play with than African-American ones? African itself, another matter. #ufchat
10:44 pm MarciSischo: Black/White race issues are extra touchy right now, too. Mostly white writers in UF, prob worried about tackling it. #UFChat
10:44 pm annikkawoods: @Cher_Dawn UF, as far as I can tell, is written mainly by whites. Then again, look @ fiction in general. White authors. #ufchat
10:44 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Interesting. Also wondering if inherently spiritual respect of Native Amer. culture fits more easily. (worms!) #UFchat
10:44 pm J_GriffinB: @AnassaRh No, because we are ignorant of most African myths. We have some good hybrids, Serpent and the Rainbow. The Believers. #ufchat
10:44 pm annikkawoods: @Ben_Aaronovitch Yes, but researching is WORK. (LOL It’s also my fav part of writing something new.) #ufchat
10:45 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Definitely up for more of the same next week! #ufchat
10:45 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Odd that in the day of a Black president in US – no matter how you feel about it – the issues still so extreme. 😦 #UFchat
10:45 pm UF_Chat: Q6: What about other races? Would changing the MCs race change the nature of world or creatures? #UFchat Why? (For both yes & no answers)
10:45 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat — Me too! #UFChat
10:46 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @J_GriffinB You can get good books on Ifa, Condomble and Santeria these days #ufchat
10:46 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat I’ll be late (work 7:30a-4p next Saturday) but I’m up for more of this next week too. #ufchat
10:46 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Obama polarized the white/black issue more than healed it, though.Sadly.:(Racists came out of woodwork when he was elected. #UFChat
10:46 pm UF_Chat: Q6a: What other ?different-heritaged? MCs feature in UF? #UFchat
10:47 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @annikkawoods I love research #ufchat
10:47 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Personally, I don’t think it would change it. It might change the world a little, in the perception of the world by the MC. #ufchat
10:47 pm UF_Chat: Q6b: How important is racial heritage in UF? Why? #UFchat
10:47 pm J_GriffinB: @Ben_Aaronovitch Yes, but unlike going to your local church, it’s a bit hard to get a personal experience of, say the gris-gris. #ufchat
10:47 pm UF_Chat: Q6c: What racially different MCs would you like to see and WHY? (Not diff for different sake..) #UFchat
10:48 pm MarciSischo: A6b — that would depend on the story, I’d think. #UFChat
10:48 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat That would depend on the heritage of the magic that impinges on the world. #ufchat
10:48 pm simonm223: A6B less important than in reality. #ufchat
10:48 pm AnassaRh: Q6: Changing race wouldn’t change world. Can have Japanese woman going against European monsters, if setting’s appropriate. #ufchat
10:48 pm Cher_Dawn: #UFchat Some things go together. Irish/scot fae, Native American shapeshifters, wendigo, Anyone read about american fairies?
10:48 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @J_GriffinB Look for personal accounts by believers (Brazil is good for this) #ufchat
10:48 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat For Sal & Jae, their varying cultures completely color how they look on the non-human aspects of the world. #ufchat
10:48 pm UF_Chat: @annikkawoods I think it would depend on your upbringing too – no matter what your heritage – as well as how you see your own. #UFchat
10:48 pm wildbloom: Q6b: I think MCs background, what makes him/her tick is more important than race. Decisions are what makes plot turn, not skin color #UFChat
10:48 pm AnassaRh: A6: The perspective of the world would be affected, though, because of the character’s background. #ufchat
10:49 pm J_GriffinB: @Ben_Aaronovitch Again, the smell of blood, cigar smoke, body odor and rum a different experience than reading about it. #ufchat
10:49 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat A6b Heritage is important (sort of) to my MC #UFchat
10:49 pm AnassaRh: A6: And it’s certainly easier to write non-European monsters/setting with a non-European MC. More PC too. #ufchat
10:49 pm UF_Chat: @Cher_Dawn Of course! They’re rarely called ‘fairies’ though. Think we get tripped up on terminology so we end up ‘importing’ a lot. #UFchat
10:49 pm cindymariej: Can someone pls write this? @AnassaRh: Can have Japanese woman going against European monsters, if setting’s appropriate. #ufchat
10:50 pm UF_Chat: @wildbloom Yes – ultimately it needs to be a personal story doesn’t it? Not a ‘typified response’. #UFchat
10:50 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat *nods* That’s true too. A lot of how you see the world is changed by how you were raised, your culture/heritage. #ufchat
10:50 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @J_GriffinB Sounds like Christmas dinner to me #ufchat
10:50 pm MarciSischo: YES PLEASE. πŸ˜€ RT @cindymariej: Can someone pls write this? @AnassaRh: Can have Japanese woman going against European monsters… #UFChat
10:50 pm annikkawoods: @cindymariej Writing something similar, though I change the monsters to suit my world. #ufchat
10:50 pm Cher_Dawn: @UF_Chat #UFchat Exactly.
10:50 pm MarciSischo: @cindymariej I would read the hell out of that story. πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:51 pm inkgypsy: RT @cindymariej: Can someone pls write this? @AnassaRh: Can have Japanese woman going against European monsters, if setting’s appropriate. #ufchat
10:51 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @annikkawoods Thnicity =/ race – important to remember #ufchat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: S: In early UF Buffy was ?cheerleader-blonde? & white (typical-till-then victim) yet most UF has darker haired (or ginger+) fem MCs. #UFchat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: (Yes – changing focus from race – finally) #UFchat
10:51 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo @cindymarij I’m hunting for more European monsters. The gaki & changelings are so boring. LOL #ufchat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: Q7: Why has there been a distinct lack of ?specifically blonde? lead females in UF? #UFchat
10:51 pm AnassaRh: A6b: We need more ppl of other heritages, so that’s important to have. But having MC who thinks race important? Depends on their BG. #ufchat
10:52 pm annikkawoods: @Ben_Aaronovitch Ah, but ethnicity does tie into race. #ufchat
10:52 pm AnassaRh: A6b: I can easily imagine character who doesn’t think their heritage is special, esp. in a global world. #ufchat
10:52 pm Cher_Dawn: @UF_Chat #UFchat Buffy also had two black and one chinese slayer too.
10:52 pm J_GriffinB: @AnassaRh Anyone read Princess of Wands, by John Ringo? #ufchat
10:52 pm UF_Chat: Q7a: Since Buffy did away with typical blonde female victim type ? who is the typical victim (especially in UF) now? Is there one? #UFchat
10:53 pm MarciSischo: A7 — Blonde heroines? How cliche! Make her redheaded. That’s totally new. (Says the gal writing a redheaded MC.) #UFChat
10:53 pm AnassaRh: A6b: But I think that non-whites would have a sense of heritage/race, if only because they’re minority and marginalized. #ufchat
10:53 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @annikkawoods The russians have some good ones #ufchat
10:53 pm AnassaRh: RT @cindymariej: Can someone pls write this? @AnassaRh: Can have Japanese woman going against European monsters, if setting’s appropriate. #ufchat
10:53 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @annikkawoods Yes but African-American =/Haitian =/LOndon Black #ufchat
10:54 pm J_GriffinB: @Ben_Aaronovitch Baba Yaga scares shit out of me, but then most russian women do. #ufchat
10:54 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch ADORE Russian monsters/creatures etc. Rusalka story please! πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:54 pm AnassaRh: A6c: Would love to see non-Western European, non-American settings, so any MC that would be in those areas? #ufchat
10:55 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch And Baba Yaga is an eternal fave – we even have an Easter tradition based on her in our house (no I’m not Russian) #UFchat
10:55 pm MarciSischo: @Ben_Aaronovich: Long-time WoD player here. Just mentioning Baba Yaga makes me pee a little. πŸ˜‰ #UFChat
10:55 pm UF_Chat: Did the blonde question stump people? Curious… #UFchat
10:55 pm cindymariej: RT @UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch ADORE Russian monsters/creatures etc. Rusalka story please! πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:56 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat There’s a guy who climbs on your back and makes you drink – genius #UFchat
10:56 pm J_GriffinB: The reason I ask about Wands is that his MC is a Catholic, and has to overcome stigma in organization that is mostly pagan. #ufchat
10:56 pm MarciSischo: RT @MarciSischo: A7 — Blonde heroines? How cliche! Make her redheaded. Thats totally new. (Says the gal writing a redheaded MC.) #UFChat
10:56 pm Cher_Dawn: @MarciSischo #UFchat lol Note to Self: Look up Baba Yaga’s bad self.
10:56 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo LOL – one of best things about her is she’s damn scary – but also has benevolent side we rarely see – unpredictable! #UFchat
10:56 pm annikkawoods: @Ben_Aaronovitch Another good point, and again, I’m rightfully corrected. πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:57 pm AnassaRh: Stumped me? RT @UF_Chat: Did the blonde question stump people? Curious… #UFchat
10:57 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo You too? *shudder* WoD was my fav rp world to play in back when I still played. Nobody around to play w/these days. #ufchat
10:57 pm J_GriffinB: Ahem, I mentioned the baba yaga, @benaaronovitch just has the rus chops to pull it off. #ufchat
10:57 pm MarciSischo: @Cher_Dawn in Vampire: the Masquerade she was an ancient scary Nosferatu. Like, OMG scary ancient. πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:57 pm Cher_Dawn: @UF_Chat #UFchat Who’s the typical victim? I guess the thing there is that anyone & everyone is vulnerable and might be a victim. None safe.
10:57 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Blondes are still the victims, but now it’s ANY tiny, “defenseless” female – or the bookish, “defenseless” males #ufchat
10:57 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Funny – because UF started taking the typical victim & empowering her but now she rarely appears.. #UFchat
10:57 pm MarciSischo: @annikkawoods Same thing here. I ❀ WoD. Liked the newer Requiem a lot, too. #UFChat
10:58 pm UF_Chat: S: Quick look at the many white MCs still shows specific ?type?. No geeks, no career-minded students, no young parents etc. #UFchat
10:58 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat I don’t remember Blond women being particularly victimised pre-Buffy #UFchat
10:58 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Thank you! πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:58 pm Cher_Dawn: @MarciSischo #UFchat Oh. ewwwwwwwwwwww That would make me pee myself a little too!
10:58 pm UF_Chat: Q8: Why is this ?type? so pervasive in UF? (Different to the hot question – not just about sex this time) #UFchat
10:58 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo Blech. Hated Requiem. I liked 2nd ed, but played primarily 3rd ed WoD #ufchat
10:58 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @J_GriffinB Via the East End #ufchat
10:58 pm J_GriffinB: @Ben_Aaronovitch Except in film, where they usually had to run topless for a few breathless minutes before gettin’ the chop. #ufchat
10:59 pm MarciSischo: @annikkawoods I liked that they got rid of all the garbage canon. Made it easier to make your own stories. #UFChat
10:59 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Typical horror movie victim (also comic books) = blonde screaming high school girl needing rescuing #UFchat
10:59 pm J_GriffinB: @Ben_Aaronovitch I was profiling based on your last name. #ufchat
10:59 pm MarciSischo: @annikkawoods Also, I LOVED the new Nos discipline. What was it called? Nightmare? Awesome. #UFChat
10:59 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo I’ll give you that, but I’m the Storyteller who threw canon out the window. LOL #ufchat
10:59 pm Cher_Dawn: @Ben_Aaronovitch #UFchat In the horror movies, it’s always the buxom blonde that gets it first.
10:59 pm UF_Chat: Q9: Many #UFchat participants have expressed want of ?geek? hero (aka ?brain power hero?). Why have there been none to date? #UFchat
10:59 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat I think @Cher_Dawn might have a point about victims. Nobody’s more “victimized” than others these days? except ethnicities? #ufchat
11:00 pm wildbloom: Q8: The only type that seems pervasive to me right now are the amazonian, badass chicks with unrealistic super powers. #UFChat
11:00 pm Cher_Dawn: @UF_Chat #UFchat You owe me a coke!
11:00 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo I think it was called Nightmare. You & I should talk more. LMAO #ufchat
11:00 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @J_GriffinB Actually from Vilnius in 1900 —-> London #ufchat
11:00 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat B/c geeks die fast in UF. #ufchat
11:00 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat we’re circling back to halitosis and flabby abs… #ufchat
11:00 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat I never liked slasher movies #UFchat
11:01 pm annikkawoods: RT @wildbloom: The only type that seems pervasive to me right now are the amazonian, badass chicks with unrealistic super powers. #ufchat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: Hm – out of time & we have a ton of questions to go. Anyone interested in continuing next week? We talk geeks, MacGyvers, humans.. #UFchat
11:01 pm MarciSischo: A9 — I think ’cause MC slot usually gets taken by some supernatural badass. I love Gail Carriger’s Alexia for brainpower. #UFChat
11:01 pm AnassaRh: Q8: The “type” is freer, able to do more. Parents and students are tied down. Geeks don’t get out much? #ufchat
11:01 pm annikkawoods: @Ben_Aaronovitch @UF_Chat I don’t do slasher films either. Stupid, annoying, & predictable. #ufchat
11:01 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat I’m totally up for more of this topic next week. #UFChat
11:01 pm Cher_Dawn: @Ben_Aaronovitch #UFchat Old black and white Bela Lugosi and Chris Lee…it’s always a blonde.
11:01 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Me neither. Think being blond didn’t help. Always considered stupid enough to walk into ‘that’ place & die. LOL #UFchat
11:02 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat I’m up for an extension next week #UFchat
11:02 pm AnassaRh: A8: If you’ve got a young, single, party gal, she’ll go more places, do more stuff. So if writing a series, like most UF is? #ufchat
11:02 pm wildbloom: @UF_Chat Up for it next week! Great topic and questions. #UFChat
11:02 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat YES YES YES YES YES! LOL I’ll be late but I’ll be here. πŸ™‚ #ufchat
11:03 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @annikkawoods Plus scarey and gory… (wimp) #ufchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: Shall I ask the 9a and 9b questions just to finish today then? Then we’ll continue on broad topic next week? #UFchat
11:03 pm J_GriffinB: @annikkawoods Now they’ve done away with the slashers altogether. We just keep everyone in a room and torture them. #ufchat
11:03 pm AnassaRh: Q9: I think to date there’s been a perception that UF readers want action stories, sex, and gore. Brainiacs won’t provide that. #ufchat
11:03 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Sure! #UFChat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: Ok 9a and 9b then we’ll rejoin next week on same topic… πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:03 pm annikkawoods: @Ben_Aaronovitch LOL I’m a wimp myself. Don’t like that kind of crap at all. #ufchat
11:03 pm AnassaRh: Q9: But based on #ufchat discussions, I’d say that perception’s about to change.
11:03 pm UF_Chat: S: Consider Giles from Buffy series ? brain power, normal human w supernatural savvy/exposure & also badass past & possibilities. #UFchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: Q9a: As example, there have been a few attempts to make a TV spin-off series based on Giles but no go. Why not? #UFchat
11:04 pm annikkawoods: @J_GriffinB That’s true. And I like those even less. Not a huge gore fan. #ufchat
11:04 pm AnassaRh: Definitely up for more minorities next week! #ufchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: S: Also been interest here in a MacGyver-type hero ? uses quick thinking/brain smarts & practical know-how to survive/win. #UFchat
11:04 pm Cher_Dawn: @UF_Chat #UFchat mmm Giles.
11:04 pm UF_Chat: Q9b: Are there any MacGyver heroes/heroines out there in UF you can think of? Why is genre not full of this type? #UFchat
11:05 pm MarciSischo: A9a — For TV? Too old. No normative sex appeal. #UFChat
11:05 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat I think people, in general, want the “badass” over the “brainy”. They want brawns over thinking power. #ufchat
11:05 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Brains got nothing on six pack abs and pouty lips, unless they are attached to massive…income. #ufchat
11:05 pm MarciSischo: Q9b: Wondered that, myself. I’d love to read that. #UFChat
11:06 pm AnassaRh: A9a: I’m totally blaming Hollywood for that one. They want more of the same, and kill slow, thinking shows more often than not. #ufchat
11:06 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Dresden has a touch of the MacGyvers. #UFchat
11:06 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat ❀ MacGyver, but you’re right. Don’t see too many of that type of hero in UF. Or anywhere else, for that matter. #ufchat
11:06 pm wildbloom: I don’t mind badass as long as that’s not all the MC is made of. Or all the story revolves around. Which seems trendy today. #UFChat
11:06 pm MarciSischo: A lot of the reason why I like Supernatural. Mostly, normal humans kicking lots of supernatural ass. #UFChat
11:06 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Thanks everyone for a great chat… see you next week #UFchat
11:06 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Once world has been around long enough, there might be room for a MacG approach, but the ‘verse has to have been shared1/2 #ufchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Agree – one of reasons he appeals to me – not all about the magic mojo. He survives even when magic fails him. #UFchat
11:07 pm J_GriffinB: long enough for the macG’s macguyvering to work in an understandable way… #ufchat
11:07 pm annikkawoods: RT @wildbloom: I dont mind badass as long as not all the MC is made of.Or all the story revolves around.Which seems trendy today. #ufchat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: That?s a wrap for #UFchat today! Next week Minorities cont then it will be all about Monsters & our fave UF holiday Halloween! #UFchat
11:07 pm AnassaRh: Q9b: Only answer I can give for this one is “because”. #ufchat
11:07 pm AnassaRh: Oooh yes! RT @MarciSischo: A lot of the reason why I like Supernatural. Mostly, normal humans kicking lots of supernatural ass. #UFChat
11:07 pm Cher_Dawn: @UF_Chat #UFchat I liked Dresden too. Was that a book too?
11:07 pm UF_Chat: Got a topic you want to chat about? Let me know! (@inkgypsy) I?ll add it to the list & maybe even bump up the chat-date for it. ? #UFchat
11:07 pm miranda00writes: That was fun! Look forward to next week. . . #UFchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: Some additional resources on minorities & the other missing persons of UF for writers & readers in next few tweets: #UFchat
11:08 pm Cher_Dawn: @AnassaRh #UFchat I just started watching that series. very good.
11:08 pm UF_Chat: Why is Urban Fantasy so ?White?? http://bit.ly/abzhHc #UFchat
11:08 pm annikkawoods: Definitely looking fwd to next week. #ufchat
11:08 pm wildbloom: See you all next time! πŸ™‚ #UFChat
11:08 pm MarciSischo: Great chat! πŸ˜€ I’ll definitely be here next week! #UFChat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: Diverse Paranormal Romance and Urban Fantasy ? Book Recs http://bit.ly/d4eiOv #UFchat
11:09 pm J_GriffinB: Back to editations. #ufchat
11:09 pm MarciSischo: @AnassaRh I love Supernatural. Season 5 was a bit lame, but otherwise, it’s great. Also, funny. #UFChat
11:09 pm Cher_Dawn: @UF_Chat #UFchat You’ll save the chat?
11:09 pm UF_Chat: Badass Normal Protagonists (in Urban Fantasy) http://bit.ly/96yIHK (Spacebattles.com forum discussion) #UFchat
11:09 pm MarciSischo: And now, back to writing, folks. Good chatting with you all! #UFChat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: I’ll save a couple of resources to add to next weeks Minorities Part 2 chat as they’re more pertinent to those Q’s. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:10 pm AnassaRh: By the way, if anyone knows Chinese/Chinese-heritage UF readers or writers who’d like to critique a manuscript, let me know, please! #ufchat
11:11 pm J_GriffinB: And very glad of your return, @inkgypsy. #ufchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: @Cher_Dawn Yep – transcript will be up in ~ 36 hours-allowing for people to add late comments using hashtag that will get included. #UFchat
11:12 pm AnassaRh: @MarciSischo I liked the Season 5 season arc, but thought the episodes themselves were iffy. Love the humor overall! #ufchat
11:12 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Thank you! (Being without internet at home is HARD! LOL) #UFchat
11:13 pm inkgypsy: RT @AnassaRh: By the way, if anyone knows Chinese/Chinese-heritage UF readers or writers who’d like to critique a manuscript, let me know, please! #ufchat
11:14 pm inkgypsy: @Cher_Dawn Dresden Files is up to book 11? (I’ve lost count – look up Wikipedia) If you liked TV series you’ll LOVE the books! #UFchat
11:15 pm UF_Chat: @Cher_Dawn You started watching Supernatural? I have yet to – need to find season 1! (I hate starting mid-series) #UFchat
11:15 pm UF_Chat: @UF_Chat lights out. πŸ˜‰ Transcript available on the #UFchat blog in 36hrs-ish, allowing for late comments. Just use the hashtag. #UFchat
11:16 pm GargoylePhan: RT @AnassaRh: By the way, if anyone knows Chinese/Chinese-heritage UF readers or writers who’d like to critique a manuscript, let me know, please! #ufchat
11:16 pm UF_Chat: Scooping up worms, stuffing them back into their cans until next week. πŸ™‚ #UFchat boots being traded for my usual stomping pair. #UFchat
11:22 pm annikkawoods: #UFChat was fun, but now off to do some stuff w/the #wip. #amwriting #amediting #amrewriting
11:37 pm inkgypsy: @leapetra Missed you in #UFchat today! (I got reconnected just in time to run it but not to let people know before today)
11:43 pm inkgypsy: @evangelineh Sounds like an interesting topic for a #UFchat – may I borrow for possible future discussion?
October 17, 2010
1:00 am inkgypsy: #UFchat RT @evangelineh: I wonder who wld win in an urban fantasy heroine showdown? Rachel? Sookie? Maxine? Anita? Mercy?
1:09 am inkgypsy: #UFchat RT @Suzanne_Johnson: Fascinating discussion of #urban fantasy by Daniel Abraham–good stuff: http://bit.ly/cOMDHh
3:00 am talechasing: do you know an author who writes #speculativefiction of any kind? point them at http://www.specficdb.com – #scifi #ufchat #uf # horror (plz rt)
3:00 am giftedreader: do you know an author who writes #speculativefiction of any kind? point them at http://www.specficdb.com – #scifi #ufchat #uf # horror (plz rt)
3:00 am specficdb: do you know an author who writes #speculativefiction of any kind? point them at http://www.specficdb.com – #scifi #ufchat #uf # horror (plz rt)
5:44 am VilniusRT: @J_GriffinB Actually from Vilnius in 1900 —-> London #ufchat http://bit.ly/bGV3Y4
6:11 am J_GriffinB: #ufchat and since I mentioned halitosis in a couple tweets, I have a bot trying to sell me good mouth smells.
October 18, 2010
12:27 am jimnduncan: Ok, #ufchat folk. Post up to gather up some more rec’s to add to my tbr pile. Give me some options! http://www.jnduncan.wordpress.com
12:30 am jimnduncan: Sorry I missed #ufchat this week. I didn’t realize until today that it was going on.
10:17 pm oldhauntsauthor: A post on anti-heroes for my #ufchat people! http://bit.ly/cfyGtl
10:47 pm inkgypsy: In time for Halloween: Zombie Fairy Tales – collected as book. Download 99c or free read on Jill Myles website! http://bit.ly/cTpV4v #UFchat
10:56 pm inkgypsy: The Dark Heroes of Urban Fantasy – xlnt! RT @oldhauntsauthor: A post on anti-heroes for my #ufchat people! http://bit.ly/cfyGtl
10:58 pm AnassaRh: RT @inkgypsy: The Dark Heroes of Urban Fantasy – xlnt! RT @oldhauntsauthor: A post on anti-heroes for my #ufchat people! http://bit.ly/cfyGtl
October 19, 2010
12:08 am ShennandoahDiaz: RT @inkgypsy: The Dark Heroes of Urban Fantasy – xlnt! RT @oldhauntsauthor: A post on anti-heroes for my #ufchat people! http://bit.ly/cfyGtl
12:43 am inkgypsy: @jimnduncan No worries re missing #UFchat – I got up and running at 3am Saturday morning so barely any time to let people know. 😦

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END OF TRANSCRIPT FOR OCTOBER 16th, 2010

Next week we continue with PART TWO of Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF (including Plain vanilla humans!), after which we will focus on Monsters in Urban Fantasy & Halloween (our favorite holiday! Right? πŸ˜‰Β  :D

Feel free to add thoughts and resources during the week as you think them or find them – just use the #UFchat hashtag so I can find them and add them to the discussion & transcript.

Stay tuned to @UF_Chat on Twitter for countdown’s and updates.

See you next week!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)

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