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* Transcript for October 23rd, 2010: Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF (incl. plain vanilla humans) Part 2

Here’s Part 2 of our can of worms discussion on the lack of diversity in UF – especially with regard to minorities and other rarely represented persons… some of which are obvious, others it seems obvious once it’s pointed out. We dealt mainly with #racefail last week though we do return to it this week to (how can we not?) but this week we discuss less obviously unrepresented minorities as well as other groups of people missing in general and particularly with regard to main characters. Oh yes – and we get into the ‘plain vanilla human’ issues this week too. πŸ™‚

Minorities and Other Missing Persons of UF (including plain vanilla humans!)

@Ben_Aaronovitch asked an important question early on as people were arriving. It’s worth thinking about as you read through the transcript and as you tackle the diversity question in your own WIPs: What do writers need in order to diversify MCs in UF?

Official UFchat questions in YELLOW for easier reading.

Resources/ topic-related links are in BLUE.

If anyone wants to expand their thoughts in a blog post (or essay) in the coming weeks let me know and I’ll promote it.

AND: we’re talking monsters and Halloween next week! There are a TON of fabulous posts appearing right now. If you read one please forward it to @inkgypsy and/or tweet the link with the #UFchat hashtag. I’d really like to put together an ‘awesome Halloween & Monsters’ blog posts link list for the UFchat blog to help promote people and give y’all some excellent reading options while you lie there groaning and holding your too-much-candy-tummies on Sunday night. πŸ˜‰

In the meantime DO NOT MISS The Spooky Legends Event happening over at All Things Urban Fantasy & Dark Faerie Tales! Urban legends and traditional monster stories RETOLD BY YOUR FAVORITE URBAN FANTASY CHARACTERS every day! From the Headless Horseman to Dracula to The Body in the Bed and many, many more. Click HERE to see the list of authors participating, the stories they’re retelling and the giveaways they’re having. Awesome new writing but stories that sound familiar – really awesome, not-to-be-missed Halloween reading.

Primer for #UFchat early birds is the same as last week: Analyzing Urban Fantasy by racialicious.com (diversity discussed 4th para on) http://bit.ly/dnUKYq

As per the week before, I added a couple of important notes at the start of the chat which I’m reposting here at the head:

IMPORTANT #UFchat note: With the subject of minorities, people are bound to feel odd discussing some aspects. Pls note Q’s are in generalities & there will be book & character exceptions to every statement. Please DO share them so all can be aware of them!

Jinxie_G: RT @UF_Chat: #UFchat in 15 mins! Sharpening can opener, letting worms wriggle free again… Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF Pt 2 – 3pmPST/6pmEST
9:48 pm JSterlingS: Wait, is this true? #UfChat is tackling #racefail? I’m there!
9:50 pm inkgypsy: Swapping to my #UFchat moderator identity, boots and all. Ouch! Yep can opener nicely sharp. More than the keyboard may get bloody tho.. πŸ˜‰
9:51 pm inkgypsy: Yes – yes we are. In 9 mins! (Did I mention cans of worms?) RT @JSterlingS: Wait, is this true? #UfChat is tackling #racefail? I’m there!
9:52 pm J_GriffinB: #UFchat be on a few minutes late, but I’ll be on…
9:58 pm UF_Chat: Primer for #UFchat early birds (same last wk): Analyzing Urban Fantasy racialicious.com (diversity 4th para on) http://bit.ly/dnUKYq #UFchat
9:59 pm UF_Chat: Shaking up the can of worms for the 2nd week on #UFchat today. Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF! #UFchat
9:59 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat release the Worms! #UFchat #UFchat
10:00 pm UF_Chat: 3, 2.. & now live with #UFchat! Welcome back for Pt 2 of our controversial comeback discussion on lack of race & other minorities! #UFchat
10:00 pm UF_Chat: TODAY: Pt II – Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF ? esp. in MCs -(including plain old vanilla humans!) #UFchat
10:00 pm UF_Chat: IMPORTANT #UFchat note repeat: With subject of minorities, people are bound to feel odd discussing some aspects. Pls note: #UFchat
10:01 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat We need more race in UF! #UFchat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: #UFchat note cont: Q’s are in generalities. There will be book /character exceptions to evry statement-DO share so all can be aware! #UFchat
10:01 pm StephanieLMcGee: I’ll be in and out today. Mostly reading, not so much commenting from me. #UFChat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: Reminder: ?S? stands for statement which will be followed by a ?Q? (a related #UFchat question for discussion). #UFchat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: Q numbers will continue from last week. ? Ton of sub-questions this week. If you?d like a full chat on one of aspects let me know! #UFchat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: For those missed it, last week?s primer for #UFchat early birds discusses some of the (lack of) diversity in UF http://bit.ly/dnUKYq #UFchat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: S: Last week dealt mainly w race & ended on lack of geek/?brainpower? heroes in UF, incl. Giles-types as MC & MacGyver types. #UFchat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: Q9a&b rpt: Any thoughts on why the lack of such MCs in UF? (note: Both have xlnt female following) #UFchat
10:03 pm inkgypsy: @Ben_Aaronovitch Yes! Especially with regard to MCs. #UFchat
10:03 pm UF_Chat: For those interested in race issues & missed last week, don’t worry – we’re coming back to them in a bit. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:04 pm UF_Chat: Q10: What about MCs who are parents (babies thru teens)? Where are they? Why aren?t they more prolific (esp re risky lifestyles)? #UFchat
10:05 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Perhaps refocus: what do writers need in order to diversify MCs in UF #UFchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: Have we got many people around today? I’m not seeing many regulars… (I know, pre-Halloween activities etc.. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch We covered last week how many writers don’t feel comfortable writing outside own race. Other suggestions? #UFchat
10:07 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @Ben_Aaronovitch I’m so lonely… #UFchat
10:07 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Aw – how weird! Wonder where everyone is? Had lots of RTs… #UFchat
10:08 pm JSterlingS: @Ben_Aaronovitch Writers need to realize there are more crayons than just the white male one in the box of creativity. #ufchat
10:08 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Did you see the transcript from last week at all? #UFchat
10:08 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat with risky lifestyles, you don’t want family/friends in the way if things go wrong. too much of a risk.
10:09 pm UF_Chat: @JSterlingS With regard to MCs in particular – diversity gets a good representation in supporting casts. #UFchat
10:09 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat If a writer is only writing what the feel comfortable with, then they have already lost the point of writing. #ufchat
10:10 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Agreed & sure many ‘take care of it’ but there must be some that fall through the ‘cracks’ & end up with children. #UFchat
10:10 pm StephanieLMcGee: It’s something I struggle with. My last book, the MC struggles with overcoming his parents’ racism. Not sure I did it so well, tho #UFChat
10:10 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat I was there live, I was thinking more of solutions rather than problems #UFchat
10:10 pm UF_Chat: @JSterlingS Yes – agreed – which is why this is so ironic in UF – genre that pushed boundaries & challenged acceptable norm to start #UFchat
10:11 pm UF_Chat: S: Several parent MCs of pre-teens have surfaced as well as ?removed? parents (eg ?just found out I have a 5 yr old). #UFchat
10:11 pm UF_Chat: Q10a: What about parents of toddlers or infants? Ever heard of a UF MC as such? Why aren?t they more common? #UFchat
10:11 pm UF_Chat: Q10b: Is there way to have MC offspring as anything other than monster bait or is it inevitable? #UFchat
10:11 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat hi taking a peek in but busy home life w kids, so may not be able to linger! Happy 2 b here for what I can, though! πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:12 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Appreciate it very much! You’d think with internet/social networking people would have more access to racial help. #UFchat
10:13 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat I’m sure you’d find that most characters would leave the kid somewhere. 😦
10:13 pm UF_Chat: @JulieeJohnsonn hi! Great to see you. Small number today it seems. Or the parent questions are stumping people. πŸ˜€ #UFchat
10:13 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat re: parenting. I love that idea! I think it would bring more complexity to MC. It would also make MC less of a loner? #ufchat
10:13 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat #ufchat I find it perfectly acceptable to have MC offspring to be a motivation for action instead of reaction.
10:13 pm UF_Chat: S: Only 1 main character (I?m aware of) in UF that is/was pregnant: Elena- werewolf in K. Armstrong?s ?Broken?. (Thx @jsmithready!) #UFchat
10:14 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Again it’s one of those things you’d think would be a huge challenge to a writer to figure out how to make it work. #UFchat
10:14 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat People should start with first hand accounts (of which there are plenty) books are still a good resource #UFchat
10:14 pm UF_Chat: Q10c: Why is the challenge of writing a pregnant MC not taken on more often in the ?edgy? UF? #UFchat
10:14 pm JSterlingS: There was one great story where an MC parent just wanted to take their kid to the zoo and what happened on the way… #ufchat
10:15 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat I think there is. With a pack mentality in weres children are very important. Covens have to have someone to pass knowledge to.
10:15 pm UF_Chat: Q10d: What about the child/children of a UF MC? What would they grow up to be like? (@StephanieLMcGee any thoughts?) #UFchat
10:15 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Speaking of kids just off to put mine to bed #UFchat
10:15 pm JSterlingS: Merry Gentry is pregnant, Anita thought she was… #ufchat
10:16 pm StephanieLMcGee: I would like to think that should my MC ever have kids, they’d be far more accepting than the MC’s parents b/c of opened world-view #UFChat
10:16 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat @jsmithready Has Kitty in Carrie Vaughn’s books gotten pregnant yet? Haven’t read them all…but she seems a good 1 for it! #ufchat
10:16 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 I didn’t even consider the pack mentality loving/requiring children! Xlnt. Usually see ‘new vamps’ but not same. #UFchat
10:16 pm MishaPolonsky: A bit late but I made it πŸ™‚ Hi everyone; new here at #UFchat
10:16 pm UF_Chat: @JulieeJohnsonn I agree, though I’m also not completely up-to-date on the Kitty books now. #UFchat
10:17 pm JSterlingS: A10c: Too many male MCs/male writers #ufchat
10:17 pm UF_Chat: Q11: What about seniors? (as in aged – not vampire old) Beyond 2ndry mentors & challengers, why are not seeing them as MCs? #UFchatQ11a: What are challenges of writing a senior MC? #UFchat
10:17 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat pregnancy is a huge challenge in itself. Would the MC be less likely to put self in danger, or would others try to protect more?
10:17 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky Hi! Welcome. We’ll be coming back to race issues in a bit – looking at other untapped MC types in UF right now. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:17 pm J_GriffinB: Back… #UFChat
10:18 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @MishaPolonsky welcome aboard – grab yourself a worm #UFchat
10:18 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat re: Carrie V. you’d think it’s the natural evolution between characters Kitty & Ben…first comes marriage, then… πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:18 pm JSterlingS: A11a: More limited mobility, slower healing… though the pros would be more experience, more cautious… #ufchat
10:18 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat 11a keeping the voice of the character true to their nascent era, I should think #UFChat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 Find interesting-my experience not at all ‘natural’ but some cool weird stuff too that inspired supernatural ideas. #UFchat
10:19 pm StephanieLMcGee: I think one challenge of a senior MC would be the lack of energy that I’ve seen so often in the elderly. Hard to go monster killing #UFChat
10:19 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat I’m seriously now thinking a pregnant MC dur to this chat #UFchat
10:19 pm StephanieLMcGee: if you’re pooped. #UFChat
10:19 pm ericahayes: If you include a kid (or any 2ndary character) they need to serve a purpose. Hard with a 2-yo, except for using them as bad guy bait #UFchat
10:19 pm MishaPolonsky: @UF_Chat Cool, I’m excited. #UFchat
10:19 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat thinking of 4th Twilight book + Bella being pregnant…not UF persea but shows a way of dealing with vamps/parenting etc. #ufchat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Do you think all seniors sound their ‘era’ though? Most vital ones I’ve met more up-to-date than me! LOL #UFchat
10:19 pm J_GriffinB: @StephanieLMcGee That would also preclude them as MC, I should think #UFChat
10:20 pm MishaPolonsky: @Ben_Aaronovitch Thanks. Got my bucket full of them right here πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:20 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat My MC does become pregnant at some point later in her stories. Huge problem with family/friends as she has to fight
10:20 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat True, but you don’t want them sound like someone who grew up in the 20s if they grew up in the 30s, do you? #UFChat
10:20 pm UF_Chat: @ericahayes Agree would be hard but not impossible. And toddlers (esp once talking) could add a lot… #UFchat
10:20 pm UF_Chat: Q11b: Considering large % of consumers of UF bks are well over 30, why are older MCs not used more? #UFchat
10:21 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @ericahayes perhaps when they turn teenagers they get to be rebellious and more of a conflict character! πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:21 pm UF_Chat: Q11c: Is UF following ParaRom trend of young, hot, 1st love for MCs for marketing sake or really only want to read young MCs? #UFchat
10:21 pm UF_Chat: Q12: What about a disabled MC? Challenges vs potential? #UFchat
10:22 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat A11b Good question but in a long running series sooner or later a non-immortal is going to be a senior #UFchat
10:22 pm JSterlingS: 11c: I so certainly hope not. I’m angered that that ParaRom genre is even being recognized as a genre. #ufchat
10:22 pm StephanieLMcGee: My MC goes from 26-30+ in the course of the book. What can I say, I’m an older person in a younger body. LOL #UFChat
10:22 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat older MC lose that sex/fantasy flavor. Who wants to read about getting older. Readers want to have someone who is eager and rdy.
10:22 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Oh yes – agree there -just meant not all are stuck in their ‘prime era’. But yes going backward would be… not right. #UFchat
10:23 pm J_GriffinB: @Ben_Aaronovitch Stands to reason the earlier you start them, the longer the run you could make with them… #UFChat
10:23 pm MarciSischo: Ooops! Running late today. Hello! #UFChat
10:23 pm UF_Chat: @JSterlingS Angered because it’s really just romance? #UFchat
10:23 pm annikkawoods: Am I too late? #ufchat
10:23 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat Disabled MC: Daredevil. Cyclops Rogue Disabled does not mean unable. #ufchat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB See that’s what I think with UF series being the norm you think aging would show up a bit more. #UFchat
10:24 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat And that’s a problem I see with vamps & other ‘elder’ creatures; they rarely speak like the era of their origin, end up 1/2 #UFChat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: @annikkawoods Welcome! Here – minorities cont this week. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:24 pm GeneDoucette: Made it to #ufchat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: S: Disabled MC in UF used: T.Huff?s MC going blind = big part of story. C.Crane?s takes on madness/mental disorders. #UFchat
10:24 pm J_GriffinB: Sounding ‘old-fashioned’ rather than using the cadences of someone of a specific era. #UFChat
10:24 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat 11b: for me writing a character born in 1985 was harder than him being mixed race. #UFchat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: S cont: Both gutsy author choices that paid off w critical acclaim. Suggestion that non-human blood been the ?disability? MC?s have. #UFchat
10:24 pm bentley1530: @UF_Chat @jsmithready I like that Elena did not change after having children but she has a good support system and uses it. #UFchat
10:25 pm Laura_Bickle: @UF_Chat Q11b: I’m all for over-30 heroines. My heroine in DARK ORACLE is over 30…a criminal profiler under 30 is unrealistic. #UFchat
10:25 pm MarciSischo: Both my MCs are older, one mid-thirties, one mid-late forties. I’m having fun with the “kids these days” jokes. #UFChat
10:25 pm UF_Chat: Q12a: Is this true? That non-human = disability? Or is non-human just to show isolation most everyone feels anyway? #UFchat
10:25 pm JSterlingS: @J_GriffinB It’s one of those continuity things ignored for easy reading I’ve heard. #ufchat
10:25 pm UF_Chat: Q12b: What?s the difference between disability & difference? #UFchat
10:25 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Goes back to halitosis and body odor. Nobody eats that up like they do hot characters with ripped abs. #UFChat
10:26 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat A12b: Having no legs is a disability. being Black is a difference. #ufchat
10:26 pm GeneDoucette: @J_GriffinB why would characters necessarily retain those speech patterns? They aren’t trapped in amber, they grow w/times. #ufchat
10:26 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Now you’re just asking for bots. :p #UFchat
10:27 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat probably to recature the allure of youth? I’d love to see older, wiser, tired but ‘I still got it’ type mature heroine/hero #ufchat
10:27 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat 12a: Non-Human can also=privilidge, I’m looking at you blood suckers. #UFchat
10:27 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat And I shall meet them, beat them and wear their circuit harness for garters. #UFChat
10:27 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB But see IRL women get bored VERY quickly w guys who ‘have it all’ like that -we want complexity, maturity, flexibility.. #UFchat
10:27 pm J_GriffinB: @GeneDoucette They can, certainly. #UFChat
10:27 pm J_GriffinB: @GeneDoucette They can, certainly. #UFChat
10:27 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB I like the way you think! LOL #UFchat
10:28 pm UF_Chat: S: Metaphors for disabilities in UF are sometimes really about disease. We see blood disorders commonly represented in UF. #UFchat
10:28 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Sure you do. #UFChat
10:28 pm UF_Chat: Q12c: How is dealing with disease different from having a disability? Why is disease more readily represented in UF than disability? #UFchat
10:28 pm MishaPolonsky: @J_GriffinB I’d have to agree w/ @GeneDoucette Tho if a vampire is extremely old, it’d be harder to grow out of their era-of-origin. #UFchat
10:29 pm UF_Chat: Q12d: How could more common disabilities make for unique premise of sustained interest? Deafness? Blindness? Impaired movmnt? #UFchat
10:29 pm MarciSischo: A12c — UFs tend to be action-heavy. Easier to be an action hero w/ a disease than w/ a wheelchair. #UFChat
10:29 pm Laura_Bickle: @UF_Chat Q11b: Anya in SPARKS is in her 30s..she’s an arson investigator, which isn’t a career she can be fully hatched into at 20. #UFchat
10:29 pm UF_Chat: Q12e: Considering chance of handicap is very high considering exploits of UF MCs could exploring such work within trope? #UFchat
10:29 pm JSterlingS: A12c: Diseases scare the mess out of us. Look at our love of zombies. Diseases we like to believe can be cured. #ufchat
10:29 pm StephanieLMcGee: RE: 12c Could it be a perception that disease is something that can happen on a dime more than can disability? (Don’t agree tho) #UFChat
10:29 pm GeneDoucette: Disability in the hands of some become the defining characteristic. #ufchat
10:30 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @J_GriffinB @UF_Chat I’m not sure I want a hero/heroine w bad breath…isn’t that 4 the villains? The ‘good’ guys emulate our ideals #ufchat
10:30 pm eileenandrews: #ufchat I think disease is seen as more of a challenge to overcome and disability is something you have to accept in the character.
10:30 pm GeneDoucette: @StephanieLMcGee disease is contagious. Disability isn’t. #ufchat
10:30 pm UF_Chat: @Laura_Bickle Read that recently & noticed! Glad to see it. Think 30s are emerging more now. #UFchat
10:30 pm J_GriffinB: @JulieeJohnsonn Sure, if they’re cookie-cutter… #UFChat
10:31 pm UF_Chat: @Laura_Bickle And must also say really enjoyed it – fire-fighting family here & also appreciated your research! Looking fwd to next! #UFchat
10:31 pm JSterlingS: A12d: Again I go to Marvel. Daredevil, Ironman, Cyclops, Prof X all disabled chars in an uf environment #ufchat
10:31 pm J_GriffinB: @GeneDoucette And that’s the big difference right there. #UFChat
10:31 pm StephanieLMcGee: Have to run. Catch y’all next week. #UFChat
10:31 pm curlyrbr: Hi, #UFchat what’s the topic?
10:31 pm UF_Chat: Q13: What about a child/underage MC BUT adult story, not YA or middle-grade novel? Is it possible? Good or bad idea? Why? #UFchat
10:31 pm UF_Chat: Q13a: There are adult literary books w child protags. How would you make it work in mainstream UF? #UFchat
10:31 pm J_GriffinB: @JSterlingS Cyclops is not blind, therefore not qualified. #UFChat
10:31 pm MishaPolonsky: A12d: All those disabilities are challenges to be overcome. The key is finding an interesting solution that makes them stand out. #UFchat
10:32 pm UF_Chat: @curlyrbr Hi! Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF – pt 2 (coming back to race shortly) #UFchat
10:32 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky Yes – funny thing is superhero stories make huge use of this but UF not so much. #UFchat
10:32 pm curlyrbr: @UF_Chat A13: Firestarter works #UFChat
10:32 pm J_GriffinB: @MishaPolonsky I am still liking the older protagonist limping his way into the fight. #UFChat
10:32 pm JSterlingS: a13: I hope it’s possible because that’s what I’m working on. In order to do realistic YA, we need to move into reality not dreams #ufchat
10:33 pm UF_Chat: S: UF often uses paranormal/supernatural creatures to explore social issues, continuing fantasy/sci-fi tradition of doing so. #UFchat
10:33 pm UF_Chat: S: Been a suggestion that lack of diversity in UF is actually due to ?replacement? of human minorities w supernatural groups. #UFchat
10:33 pm AnassaRh: Ha! Made it back for the last half of #ufchat. Putting on my writer hat again?
10:33 pm J_GriffinB: @MishaPolonsky and integral to the tales being told. #UFChat
10:33 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat a child MC would be difficult to write for mainstream adults. A child would have to be very grown up to be believable.
10:33 pm UF_Chat: Q14: What supernatural groups have been used to represent minorities (racial/sexual/other) that you?re aware of? #UFchat
10:33 pm JSterlingS: @J_GriffinB Not blind, but needs special “corrective” lenses to not kill, destroy. That’s a disability. #ufchat
10:34 pm curlyrbr: A13: Charlie’s dad has a major role, but she’s the MC #Firestarter #UFChat
10:34 pm GeneDoucette: @J_GriffinB limping protagonist. That’s what made the first Die Hard movie such a breath of fresh air when it came out. #ufchat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 It would be hard but it’s been done in literary circles so why not UF? Curious.. #UFchat
10:34 pm MishaPolonsky: @J_GriffinB I agree. #UFchat
10:34 pm J_GriffinB: @JSterlingS No, the power scale tips to even when you can cut through almost any substance. #UFChat
10:34 pm MarciSischo: A14: All of them, I’d think. True Blood + Vamps = Homosexuals. #UFChat
10:34 pm GeneDoucette: @J_GriffinB I mean, you never saw Ahnold bleed. #ufchat
10:35 pm AnassaRh: A13a: Treat the child protag as an adult, make them have adult decisions. Aim at adults, not kids. #ufchat
10:35 pm UF_Chat: S: Often UF has Β½ (or less than Β½) humans as MCs. Less often are ?badass normal? humans. Even less common are plain vanilla mortals. #UFchat
10:35 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat weres, witches, vamps, zombies etc
10:35 pm MarciSischo: Vamps and shifters in the Anitaverse stand in as kind of “generic” minorities. #UFChat
10:36 pm UF_Chat: S: Though some MCs begin as plain mortals in UF they?re often turned or transformed early in 1st book. #UFchat
10:36 pm AnassaRh: A lot of the child-protag books for adults that I’ve seen involve adult themes. Lovely Bones, Lullabies for Little Criminals. #ufchat
10:36 pm JSterlingS: @J_GriffinB Unintentional, uncontrollable death and destruction counts as a disability in my book. #ufchat
10:36 pm UF_Chat: Q15: Where are plain vanilla humans (any race or persuasion)? ie. not half-breeds or w magical destiny/doodad or soon-to-be-turned #UFchat
10:37 pm AnassaRh: And stepping back to Q13 itself: Yes, definitely possible to have a child protag in adult UF. Could be great if done well. #ufchat
10:37 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat the situations the MC put themselves in, would you want to be the one putting a child in that place? cont.
10:37 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat And then there are the plain mortals who for some reason every non-mortal falls in love with. #ufchat
10:37 pm JSterlingS: @AnassaRh You mean like the second half of the Potter sagas? #ufchat
10:37 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat I think, in UF, the non-vanilla humans have a higher survival rate than normal humans. #ufchat
10:37 pm AnassaRh: If done poorly, of course, will probably a) not sell or b) be sold as YA. #ufchat
10:37 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat Depends on the story, but would have to be a very special child to handle such things.
10:37 pm UF_Chat: Q15a: What are the challenges in writing plain vanilla humans as UF MCs (not having military background/police/etc background)? #UFchat
10:37 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat would you accept a plain vanilla human who just never gets older? #ufchat
10:37 pm MarciSischo: A15: Now there’s something I’d like to see more of. UF underestimates the ability of humans to hold their own vs the monsters. #UFChat
10:37 pm MishaPolonsky: A13a: A child protag would be great for a faerie story. Evil faerie captures child turns into their adventure w/ the goal to escape. #UFchat
10:37 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat *raises hand* Plain vanilla human in mine! *shameless self promotion* #UFChat
10:37 pm Laura_Bickle: @UF_Chat I’m probably biased… My 30s are MUCH more fun than my 20s, so I love reading about characters who are a bit older. #ufchat
10:38 pm AnassaRh: Yes, exactly. RT @JSterlingS: @AnassaRh You mean like the second half of the Potter sagas? #ufchat
10:38 pm UF_Chat: Good stuff too – promote away! RT @tasmin21: @UF_Chat *raises hand* Plain vanilla human in mine! *shameless self promotion* #UFchat
10:38 pm UF_Chat: @Laura_Bickle Agree – wouldn’t want to go through 20s again actually… LOL #UFchat
10:38 pm JSterlingS: A15: Being plain in a world of Supers can be terrifying if written well, or HORRID if written poorly . #ufchat
10:39 pm curlyrbr: A15: plain vanilla humans are too easily killed #ufchat
10:39 pm J_GriffinB: @JSterlingS And my opinion is different on that point…And we all know how opinions smell. #UFChat
10:39 pm Laura_Bickle: @UF_Chat Q15a: That whole sense of “Mrrrr…what fresh hell is this?” I love it when characters do that. #UFchat
10:39 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette LOL Can they be hurt? #UFchat
10:39 pm AnassaRh: Probably true. RT @annikkawoods: @UF_Chat I think, in UF, the non-vanilla humans have a higher survival rate than normal humans. #ufchat
10:40 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat yes. No invincibility, just immunity to disease. That’s my MC right there. #ufchat
10:40 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat plan mortals usually turn ‘badass’ as the mayhem beings… #ufchat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: Q15b: What would be awesome about reading a plain vanilla human MC? #UFchat
10:40 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat I’ll vouch his immortal can be hurt…maybe even killed. He takes a lot of abuse. (Just read IMMORTAL earlier this wk.) #ufchat
10:40 pm AnassaRh: A15: We get vanilla humans in supporting roles right now, since you’re asking where they are. πŸ˜‰ Would love to see more as MCs. #ufchat
10:40 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Gene’s plugging his recently published novel, Immortal #UFChat
10:40 pm leapetra: very late, was making supper, but I am here #ufchat
10:40 pm elizabethkarr: @UF_Chat Am lurking.Must admit I’m partial to ‘vanilla’ characters. Ordinary people who due to circumstances do extraordinary things #UFChat
10:40 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat That was in regards to @GeneDoucette‘s comment. #ufchat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: Must mention I LOVE seeing the plain vanilla survive, beat the odds – war stories through UF. Need more in UF please! #UFchat
10:41 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat It’s all about the struggle. #UFChat
10:41 pm bentley1530: @UF_Chat #ufchat As a person of color, the supers can not represent me when most of the time they are white themselves.
10:41 pm GeneDoucette: @J_GriffinB sneaky, huh? #ufchat
10:41 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat like Rincewind. yeah he was a wizard but couldn’t cast a spell. He could run fast and a lot #ufchat
10:41 pm elizabethkarr: Many occurences of Death by Chocolate… RT @curlyrbr A15: plain vanilla humans are too easily killed #ufchat
10:41 pm JSterlingS: a15b: That may cross over into the world of horror. Similar to a zombie flick. #ufchat
10:41 pm AnassaRh: A15a: You’d have to work the story so they didn’t get killed, and give them something they could use to win fights. #ufchat
10:42 pm J_GriffinB: @GeneDoucette Perfectly placed, if you ask me. #UFChat
10:42 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat A15b watching them outsmart all those ubermenchen #UFchat
10:42 pm JulieeJohnsonn: Me too! RT @elizabethkarr I’m partial to ‘vanilla’ characters. Ordinary people who due to circumstances do extraordinary things #UFChat
10:42 pm AnassaRh: RT @JSterlingS: A15: Being plain in a world of Supers can be terrifying if written well, or HORRID if written poorly . #ufchat
10:42 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr Agree! Lot of variation as is. Throw in normal life, race diff.s & already ton to work with. Add supernatural = love #UFchat
10:42 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr But if the plain vanilla MC does something for the supernaturals or provides a service, then can be indispensable. #UFchat
10:43 pm UF_Chat: See this is why I’m partial to Batman out of Superheroes – he’s human, honed himself & skills but 100% human (with hang-ups) πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:43 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @AnassaRh normal mortals seem to gain badass skills as the tale progresses (or they die)…there’s a learning curve! #ufchat
10:43 pm GeneDoucette: altho actually the MC is also in a world with some toned down supers. No magic. #ufchat
10:44 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @MishaPolonsky Or it could be their job; cop, vampire hunter, dog keeper… #UFchat
10:44 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Racism is one of the things it is very hard to write without descending into cliches. #UFChat
10:44 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky Came up last week (?) re in humans if you get ‘gifts’ (eg supersmarts) DNA usually balances to be deficient elsewhere #UFchat
10:44 pm J_GriffinB: @Ben_Aaronovitch bus driver. #UFChat
10:45 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky So if the supers esp are ‘turned’ from human you’d think they would have lost something essentially human they want. #UFchat
10:45 pm MarciSischo: I like Supernatural for that, too. Plain humans, fighting with just skills & knowledge. #UFChat
10:45 pm AnassaRh: Q15b: I think you’d get more sense of badass-ness, and more sense of peril. With magic-humans, you kind of know they’ll get out ok. #ufchat
10:45 pm UF_Chat: Q16: What are the most memorable ATYPICAL MC premises for a UF story you?ve read (novel length or short)? #UFchat
10:45 pm curlyrbr: @J_GriffinB I agree; it’s hard and dangerous to write from a culture that isn’t yours #ufchat
10:45 pm Laura_Bickle: @UF_Chat Yes, Batman beats Superman HANDS DOWN! #ufchat
10:45 pm AnassaRh: @JulieeJohnsonn Yes, that’s true too. I like that about regular mortal stories, and even some magic-human ones. #ufchat
10:45 pm JSterlingS: @J_GriffinB Cliches are a key component of racism though. It’s where we get stereotypes from. #ufchat
10:45 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @MarciSischo And lots of salt, lets not forget the salt #UFChat
10:45 pm J_GriffinB: I hate driving into that fuckin part of town.Damn weres are _always_ chasing the fuckin’ bus. Course, you would too, were U a dog! #UFChat
10:46 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat I think humans turned “supers” lose part of their humanity. That’s how I’ve always played it, at least, in my stories. #ufchat
10:46 pm MarciSischo: Also, now that I think of it, Supernatural has had disable characters, too. The blind psychic, Bobby in a wheelchair. #UFChat
10:46 pm AnassaRh: Seconded! RT @UF_Chat: I LOVE seeing the plain vanilla survive, beat the odds – war stories through UF. Need more in UF please! #UFchat
10:46 pm curlyrbr: @UF_Chat Yes, like compassion, faith, hope, etc. #ufchat
10:46 pm GeneDoucette: @annikkawoods Adam does take a beating at the end of the book, doesn’t he? #ufchat
10:46 pm MishaPolonsky: @Ben_Aaronovitch True. Or a journalist even πŸ™‚ Something I’m playing around with with one of my MCs. Course he’s working for a vamp. #UFchat
10:46 pm JSterlingS: Black female singer dealing with a Puerto Rican drug lord vamp-slaying team – Vampire Huntress Series #ufchat
10:47 pm ericahayes: @JulieeJohnsonn or a sidekick #UFchat
10:47 pm annikkawoods: @GeneDoucette Mm-hmm. Poor guy. LOL #ufchat
10:47 pm MarciSischo: @Ben_Aaronovitch Salt: the answer to all your supernatural problems! πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:47 pm curlyrbr: @AnassaRh Not always true, you can always make kryptonite for your magical MCs #ufchat
10:47 pm leapetra: I can’t think of a atypical MC, all of them seem to be cops, cia, priests, professors. #ufchat
10:47 pm UF_Chat: One of my fave UF short stories is about a black mother of toddler who has to fight vamp while kid watches. Heart wrenching. #UFchat
10:48 pm GeneDoucette: Magic bugs me. You have to set some hard rules to employ magic well. #ufchat
10:48 pm MishaPolonsky: @UF_Chat Could be that the supernaturals turn to normal humans to find something they lost. Vampires fit this category esp. well. #UFchat
10:48 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat One of my fav was “Confessions of a Soccer Mom” – retired demon hunter lured back into the fray w/her daughter threatened. #ufchat
10:48 pm GeneDoucette: atypical MC? Um… *insert another plug here* #ufchat
10:48 pm JSterlingS: @curlyrbr It may be hard, but the research required to write from another culture would make you a better writer. #ufchat
10:48 pm MishaPolonsky: @UF_Chat At least the ones still trying to retain their humanity. #UFchat
10:49 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat in a non UF story similar premise A daughter convinces her now vampire mother to leave them alone out of love. #ufchat
10:49 pm J_GriffinB: @GeneDoucette And a way to reveal them without ‘telling’ what you are revealing. I loved that about Nine Princes In Amber. #UFChat
10:49 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @GeneDoucette I always dislike it when magic (as in wizards) is an inate power. #ufchat
10:49 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat I think my Jesse is atypical. That’s why I wrote him the way I did. #UFChat
10:50 pm elizabethkarr: πŸ™‚ @UF_Chat @JulieeJohnsonn GMTA #UFchat
10:50 pm elizabethkarr: RT @UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr Agree! Lot of variation as is. Throw in normal life, race diff.s & already ton to work with. Add supernatural = love #UFchat
10:50 pm AnassaRh: A16: @alyxdellamonica had a story on Tor.com about a lesbian and a werewolf puppy. Loved that one. #ufchat
10:50 pm leapetra: @GeneDoucette mine too, Beka for the first 6 chapters, fat, emotional issues, after 6, becomes a vampire, still fat. #ufchat
10:50 pm MarciSischo: @Ben_Aaronovitch @GeneDoucette Magic as inate annoys me, too. You should have to work for that much power. #UFChat
10:50 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat I don’t think that’s the exact title of the book, but I thought it was interesting. #ufchat
10:50 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Tor recently had short re lesbian carpenter MC who helps woman who adopts werewolf baby -didn’t read as GLBT lit. wow xlnt #UFchat
10:50 pm GeneDoucette: @Ben_Aaronovitch my favorite use of magic was probably in Constantine. the books, not the movie. #ufchat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Heh – you wrote my tweet.. LOL #UFchat
10:51 pm annikkawoods: @GeneDoucette I agree. I liked the way the magic was used in those stories. The movie was ok but not as good as the books. #ufchat
10:51 pm Laura_Bickle: I think I’m okay with magic as long as there’s a heavy price to pay. A lot of stories make magic too easy. #UFChat
10:51 pm GeneDoucette: @MarciSischo the advantage of making it innate is to explain why it’s not common. #ufchat
10:51 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @MarciSischo I think we can take my flagrant plug for own book as read here #UFChat
10:51 pm JSterlingS: Magic itself can be a huge disability. Or at the very least a crutch. That’s why we as writers should steal that crutch. #ufchat
10:51 pm annikkawoods: And if we’re talking atypical characters, I could introduce you to Crysali, Jae Lin, Jerryth, Brad, Celeste, and Gabriel. #ufchat
10:51 pm GeneDoucette: @annikkawoods I took a lot from them when writing. #ufchat
10:52 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Yeah, I saw that. Heh. Definitely means it’s a good story, then. #ufchat
10:52 pm UF_Chat: @annikkawoods What are they? What do they do? How are they atypical? #UFchat
10:52 pm MishaPolonsky: @Ben_Aaronovitch @MarciSischo Interesting. I like innate magic, but as a tiny power a young mage needs to work and train to perfect. #UFchat
10:52 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @GeneDoucette Making it rare is a problem: I went for making it hard work, dangerous and few teachers #ufchat
10:53 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @annikkawoods @UF_Chat re Soccer Mom Just got that book out of the library! Yes, UR are right, great idea re: older MC with family! #ufchat
10:53 pm J_GriffinB: @GeneDoucette Unless it’s a key to success, in which case they’d breed more often, lots more little Adam’s running about. #UFChat
10:53 pm MarciSischo: @GeneDoucette @Ben_Aaronovitch We deliberately kept supes v. uncommon in our story, too. Most our secondaries are plain human. 1/2 #UFChat
10:53 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Crysali is a Native American shaman cursed by Raven. He’s her familiar. She’s a hunter who’s also very mortal. #ufchat
10:53 pm UF_Chat: Also read another short in which a toddler was turned zombie. Parents caring for but out of wits re care. MC was mother. LOVED it! #UFchat
10:53 pm MarciSischo: @GeneDoucette @Ben_Aaronovitch Magic makes you grossly powerful… if you can get it right. πŸ˜‰ And live long enough to learn it. #UFChat
10:54 pm specficdb: @GeneDoucette @Ben_Aaronovitch I totally agree Constantine was brilliant w Its use of.magic but not in ur face religion #ufchat
10:54 pm curlyrbr: My MC is the only magic wielder, and it has a tendancy to corrupt #ufchat
10:54 pm UF_Chat: Must mention this doesn’t mean we’re against human/non-human mixes or MCs that are supernatural but we get lots choice re those. #UFchat
10:54 pm GeneDoucette: @J_GriffinB yes, except Adam’s not magic. #ufchat
10:54 pm J_GriffinB: I want some redneck, barely a toof between ’em protags too. Urban environment scary to them, but they know how to ‘Get r done’ #UFChat
10:54 pm Laura_Bickle: @UF_Chat I want to read the zombie toddler story…where did you see it? #UFChat
10:55 pm AnassaRh: Going back to previous questions now, during gaps: Q10 Parent MC features in Kelly Gay’s books. Teenage daughter. #ufchat
10:55 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Jae Lin is a Japanese monster given human form who hunts only to pay her way through college…and avenge her dad. #ufchat
10:55 pm GeneDoucette: @Ben_Aaronovitch yes, but it’s a different kind of problem. Depends on what you want to do with magic. #ufchat
10:55 pm leapetra: @MarciSischo I like Pratchett’s rules for magic. The ones that study it know its better not to use it. #ufchat
10:55 pm JSterlingS: @UF_Chat Def have to share the zombie toddler story. #ufchat
10:55 pm JulieeJohnsonn: Have to go now but thanks to everyone for a great #ufchat! Always gives me lots to think about! πŸ™‚
10:55 pm GeneDoucette: @specficdb yes, Constantine hardly uses magic at all. His strength is knowledge and intellect. and ruthlessness. #ufchat
10:55 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr Magic can definitely corrupt. It can turn into a vile drug if abused too much. #UFchat
10:55 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Jerryth is a muscle bound werewolf who wants to be an artist/painter instead of a fighter. Very bright, strong, creative. #ufchat
10:55 pm MarciSischo: @leapetra Me too! We wanted to use an idea like that, but it didn’t work out for us. We were sad. #UFChat
10:56 pm leapetra: @J_GriffinB I would read that #ufchat
10:56 pm UF_Chat: Q17: Re racial migration (because it’s everywhere) why don’t we see much of this in UF? Story potential is huge! #UFchat
10:56 pm UF_Chat: @JulieeJohnsonn *Waves* #UFchat
10:56 pm AnassaRh: A10: I think if someone knows they’ll be involved in supernatural, lthey’re ess likely to risk having kids to be caught up in that. #ufchat
10:56 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @GeneDoucette Agreed, wild, esoteric or functional #ufchat
10:56 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky Ah yes – the magic as drug and actually straight forward drug use in UF – don’t see too much! #UFchat
10:57 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Celeste & Gabriel are fallen angels. Celeste wants to be a singer. Gabe owns a club that’s home to some unusual pasttimes. #ufchat
10:57 pm J_GriffinB: @GeneDoucette See that’s the paradox. If something is terribly far beyond our comprehension, the very idea of it _becomes_ magic #UFChat
10:57 pm Daylilie222: #UFChat Lovey, can you send me the link so I can join in?
10:57 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat I touch upon that in my series, for background about how the city has changed. #ufchat
10:57 pm AnassaRh: Oooh, y’know what could be cool? Vamp/were MC who has to “parent” a newly-turned supe. Off topic, I know? #ufchat
10:57 pm UF_Chat: Currently reading Kelly Gay’s 2nd bk & some main characs have to deal with a new forced drug addiction. Interesting complication. #UFchat
10:57 pm J_GriffinB: In an irony, I am listening to Queen’s I want it all… #UFChat
10:57 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @GeneDoucette Our three main weapons are strength, knowledge, ruthlessness and the truth… our four main weapons #ufchat
10:57 pm UF_Chat: @Daylilie222 http://tweetchat.com/room/UFchat (almost done – hurry!) #UFchat
10:58 pm AnassaRh: Would also like to see UF parents bringing kids into The Business, a la Supernatural. #ufchat
10:58 pm curlyrbr: @leapetra Right, and no sex for wizards in Pratchett’s world as it depletes their casting abilities #ufchat
10:58 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat None of them are white, none of them have a great deal of “magic”, and they all want something different out of their lives #ufchat
10:58 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Yes – there is that problem of balancing all the wishlists against a solid story! #UFchat
10:58 pm leapetra: @curlyrbr yup, but not a problem for witches. Nanny ogg! #ufchat
10:58 pm Daylilie222: Hey all.. better late.. #ufchat
10:58 pm UF_Chat: FINAL Q18: UF wish lists: what ?missing persons? would you like to see take center stage in UF? #UFchat
10:59 pm MishaPolonsky: @UF_Chat What about vampire blood? I’ve seen it used as an addictive drug many times – esp. for normal humans. #UFchat
10:59 pm J_GriffinB: @annikkawoods One issue that can arise from this is creating your own heterogenous society. We’re all different! See how different? #UFChat
10:59 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Did you see earlier question about how kid with a UF MC parent would grow up? Haven’t seen it dealt with (xpt superheroes) #UFchat
11:00 pm MarciSischo: A18: More vanilla humans, I think. #UFChat
11:00 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat more older characters, just saw Red, the potential to transfer that plot to a UF would be fun #ufchat
11:00 pm curlyrbr: @leapetra LOL I have her cookbook #ufchat
11:00 pm GeneDoucette: @Ben_Aaronovitch should I expect the Spanish Inquisition? #ufchat
11:00 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat A18 Giinna Yashere: Vampire Hunter #UFchat
11:00 pm MarciSischo: A18: More older characters would be good, too. #UFChat
11:00 pm annikkawoods: @J_GriffinB I base my worlds (protags are from 2 diff uf stories) on my hometown. Very unique environment around here. #ufchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky Now True Blood is so big & director really took the idea of ‘V’ & explored it seeing more but trying to list was hard #UFchat
11:00 pm AnassaRh: A18: Anyone and everyone we’ve discussed during #ufchat the last two weeks? Really, not picky? πŸ˜‰
11:00 pm MarciSischo: After all, older hunters would be scary, esp in world where humans fight the supernatural. #UFChat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch What was the atypicality (is that a word?) for that MC? #UFchat
11:01 pm GeneDoucette: A18: I sort of invent my own when I need them. #ufchat
11:01 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @GeneDoucette Must…resist…urge… too late… ‘NOBODY EXPECTS… #ufchat
11:01 pm annikkawoods: RT @AnassaRh: A18: Anyone and everyone weve discussed during #ufchat the last two weeks? Really, not picky?<~ Exactly. This. #ufchat
11:01 pm MarciSischo: Like Pratchett’s “Old Barbarians” theory. πŸ˜€ #UFChat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo YES! I like that idea – scary older hunters, absolutely! #UFchat
11:01 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Not yet, I don’t think. Working my way through the chat now. Had a sudden lunch date. #ufchat
11:01 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat A18 Red neck hunter of bad’uns; a bit ignorant, missing some teeth, missing political correctness, in touch with his anger. #UFChat
11:01 pm curlyrbr: @UF_Chat sounds like celebrity rehab: superheroes’ kids edition #ufchat
11:02 pm leapetra: @MarciSischo or in the Call of Ctuthulu RPG, older characters would be the fastest ones. LOL #ufchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette Can you give us examples? #UFchat
11:02 pm MishaPolonsky: @UF_Chat True. Although I’ve seen vamp blood used as a drug a few times even before True Blood introduced “V” #UFchat
11:02 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Archetype would probably be a better word. #UFChat
11:02 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Black female middle aged british stand up comic #UFchat
11:02 pm GeneDoucette: @Ben_Aaronovitch bring out… the comfy chair! #ufchat
11:02 pm specficdb: @UF_Chat lol u ask tough questions. #ufchat like to see a different take on angels w o involving too much religion
11:02 pm JSterlingS: I would love to see more non-whites of all varieties including but not limited to blacks and women in UF. #ufchat
11:03 pm J_GriffinB: A18: Billy Bob the Hunter #UFChat
11:03 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat I created a creature called an iffrit… I’ll probably create a few more. And when I’m not creating new ones I’m (cont) #ufchat
11:03 pm MarciSischo: I wouldn’t mind seeing a few more male heros in UF. Seems like the gals have the guys way outnumbered. #UFChat
11:03 pm annikkawoods: @specficdb That’s what I explore w/”The Fallen”, my UF about angels/demons. Religion isn’t the focal point at all. #ufchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky Well Charlaine Harris pretty much opens her series (many yrs old now) with draining blood to sell (‘V’) so yes. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:03 pm J_GriffinB: @leapetra With the best running shoes. I don’t have to be the fastest, I just have to be faster than you. #UFChat
11:03 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat …redefining old ones. I like removing magic and seeing what’s left. #ufchat
11:03 pm curlyrbr: @MarciSischo The Silver Horde is a perfect example! #ufchat
11:03 pm leapetra: I would like to see a Native American, not as the mystical character #ufchat
11:04 pm TrueBloodBot: RT @MishaPolonsky @UF_Chat True. Although I’ve seen vamp blood used as a drug a few times even before True Blood introduced “V” #UFchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette There is such a thing as an iffrit… I’d have to look up it’s origins but definitely in the myth canon. #UFchat
11:04 pm AnassaRh: Q17: UF is typically set in ONE city. People hesitant to use multiple ones in a single story, as a result? “Too much” research? #ufchat
11:04 pm MarciSischo: @curlyrbr Right? I LOVED that story! πŸ˜€ #UFChat
11:04 pm specficdb: @JSterlingS @labanks does black female MC #ufchat
11:04 pm leapetra: We need more Rincewinds in UF. #ufchat
11:04 pm JSterlingS: @J_GriffinB This is why one should have a machete. To make sure YOU are the fastest. #ufchat #hamstringem
11:04 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Patricia Briggs MC Mercy Thompson is – there are more Native Am. than blacks in UF actually. Weird I know. #UFchat
11:04 pm AnassaRh: Would love to see stories about people fleeing Super-X only to encounter Super-Y in their new country. #ufchat
11:04 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat yes, but not the way I use them. I think iffrit is similar to genie. #ufchat
11:04 pm J_GriffinB: @TrueBloodBot WoD had it a long time back #UFChat
11:05 pm specficdb: @GeneDoucette @UF_Chat I believe an ifriit is a fire elemental but I could be wrong #ufchat
11:05 pm JSterlingS: @specficdb Oh I know. I’ve been devouring her books for some t ime now. #ufchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: Coming to close here & we’re already talking different monsters! Which is xlnt because next week is all about them (+ Halloween) #UFchat
11:05 pm AnassaRh: Vampires lurking in refugee camps. Monsters immigrating along with humans, like in American Gods. #ufchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: That?s a wrap for #UFchat today! Next week will be all about Monsters & our fave UF holiday Halloween! #UFchat
11:06 pm MishaPolonsky: @J_GriffinB Yep. Even now. I’ve always been a fan of the WoD. #UFchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Got a topic you want to chat about? Let me know! (@inkgypsy) I?ll add it to the list & maybe even bump up the chat-date for it. ? #UFchat
11:06 pm J_GriffinB: Goin’ to WFC, who’m I gonna have to buy a drink there? #UFChat
11:06 pm GeneDoucette: Finally made it to this chat. Glad to have. #ufchat
11:06 pm MarciSischo: Yaay, Halloween! πŸ˜€ #UFChat
11:06 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Hurrah, next week, monster worms #ufchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Some additional resources on minorities & the other missing persons of UF for writers & readers in next few tweets: #UFchat
11:06 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat warning next week UFchat is during my halloween party, might get drunk tweets #ufchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Gay Protagonist in Urban Fantasy? (the lack of and how ?other? being characters may be substituting. http://bit.ly/9K3tTF #UFchat
11:06 pm AnassaRh: Ooh. RT @UF_Chat: Coming to close here & we’re already talking different monsters! Which is xlnt because next week is all about them #UFchat
11:06 pm GeneDoucette: And not incidentally, Immortal is out now, copies ARE available (finally, it kept selling out) on Amazon. http://amzn.to/a7mCQg #ufchat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: Diversity in Urban Fantasy (Equal Rights For Humans!) by Rob Thurman http://bit.ly/bdKqoC #UFchat
11:07 pm MarciSischo: Nice chatting, everyone! See you next week! (I think… must check work schedule…) #UFChat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: Gee mom, what?s with the stake? by Sharon Ashwood http://bit.ly/bxALRT #UFchat
11:07 pm elizabethkarr: RT @JulieeJohnsonn: Me too! RT @elizabethkarr I’m partial to ‘vanilla’ characters. Ordinary people who due to circumstances do extraordinary things #UFChat
11:07 pm curlyrbr: @UF_Chat Ifrit is a fire-based aeon in FF10; all their names come from myths #ufchat
11:07 pm J_GriffinB: @MishaPolonsky Know a couple of their early writers… One wrote the core Twilight 2013 Rules. #UFChat
11:07 pm EnHNorthman: RT @TrueBloodBot: RT @MishaPolonsky @UF_Chat True. Although I’ve seen vamp blood used as a drug a few times even before True Blood introduced “V” #UFchat
11:07 pm specficdb: @GeneDoucette #ufchat that’s the whole issue people end up arguing about…they want new takes on old mythos but u can’t make.them sparkle
11:07 pm MishaPolonsky: Really great chat! I’m so glad I made my first #UFchat I’ll definitely try and make the next one. Thanks everyone.
11:07 pm GeneDoucette: @specficdb yeah, I took the name but nothing else. w/o magic in my universe I’m free to play. #ufchat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh I like that whole idea – so much you could do with it – plus think of monsters in territory that have to be dealt with 2. #UFchat
11:08 pm JSterlingS: Why #racefail was a GOOD thing: http://is.gd/geNd2 #ufchat
11:08 pm J_GriffinB: @elizabethkarr I think the best fiction around is rooted in the overcoming of adversity. #UFChat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky Thanks for coming! #UFchat
11:08 pm specficdb: RT @UF_Chat: Diversity in Urban Fantasy (Equal Rights For Humans!) by Rob Thurman http://bit.ly/bdKqoC #UFchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: Mind Games by Carolyn Crane (review by All Things Urban Fantasy incl handicaps of the characters) http://bit.ly/9Clze8 #UFchat
11:08 pm GeneDoucette: @specficdb I trash all of that. I treat demons as simply another species, for instance. Dragons, get demystified as well. #ufchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: RT @JSterlingS: Why #racefail was a GOOD thing: http://is.gd/geNd2 #UFchat
11:09 pm AnassaRh: Q10b: Probably inevitable if you’ve got a series going. At some point, the baddies will think to raise the stakes. #ufchat
11:09 pm MishaPolonsky: @J_GriffinB That’s pretty sweet that you know some of the early writers. I’m reading the oWoD VtM Clan Novels right now πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: A Brief Note on Disabled Superheroes? by SuperheroNation.com http://bit.ly/dse00Y #UFchat
11:09 pm GeneDoucette: this is actually the first chat I’ve been in with at least two people who’ve read/are reading the book. Pinch me. #ufchat
11:09 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Or the clashes between new and old monsters? 3 different types of vamp find themselves with the same territory? #ufchat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: @UF_Chat lights out. πŸ˜‰ See you all Halloween weekend! Bring your favorite monsters, legends, movies & stories for a lot of fun. ? #UFchat
11:10 pm J_GriffinB: @MishaPolonsky Incestuous community, like hollywood. Feed off one another. #UFChat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: #UFchat transcript available on the #UFchat blog in 36hrs-ish, allowing for late comments. Just use the hashtag. ? #UFchat
11:10 pm MishaPolonsky: @GeneDoucette I’m cracking it open tonight! #UFchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Kinda what I meant but didn’t tweet well – yeah! LOL Think of eco-system changes etc #UFchat
11:11 pm specficdb: Please feel free to add me. I’m the twitter acct 4 the new spec fic site listing specfic authors #ufchat (plz rt) hope 2chat more next week
11:11 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat I might post from WFC, might not. Got a seat at the Baen dinner at WFC…Pays to have friends in low places… #UFChat
11:11 pm AnassaRh: Q10c: Suspect pregnancy is rare because harming babies is slightly taboo. Also (cynic here) pregnant woman aren’t hot. #ufchat
11:11 pm GeneDoucette: @MishaPolonsky awesome…! #ufchat
11:12 pm UF_Chat: RT @curlyrbr: @UF_Chat Ifrit is a fire-based aeon in FF10; all their names come from myths #UFchat
11:12 pm GeneDoucette: OK I should put the groceries away now… #ufchat
11:12 pm J_GriffinB: @AnassaRh Beg to differ. I’d like to see a witch’s power get amped by her pregnancy. #UFChat
11:13 pm AnassaRh: Q10d: If kid knew about parent’s job, would likely be tough but worried, and good with a knife. Possibly eager to come with. #ufchat
11:13 pm J_GriffinB: @AnassaRh and to me, preggars is pretty, just not for touching. #UFChat
11:13 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh See this is my question tho – UF started with writing all the ‘taboo’ stuff – women, violence, rape etc & literary fic.. #UFchat
11:13 pm J_GriffinB: @J_GriffinB woman’s Power, that kind of thing. #UFChat
11:14 pm AnassaRh: Q10d: If kid didn’t know, would think parent neglectful/abused or maybe not even care. #ufchat
11:14 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh deals with all these things already so why not UF? Just seems… like a big gap. #UFchat
11:15 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh There is that ‘soccer mom’ vamp hunter in the suburbs series but I’ve heard mixed reviews. Yet to read myself. #UFchat
11:15 pm AnassaRh: @J_GriffinB Was thinking more on “so many UF woman are stick figure sex symbols”, and pregnancy isn’t a “turn-on” like D-cups. #ufchat
11:15 pm ruthbeingruth: @AnassaRh thinking Principal Wood, whose mom was a Slayer… #ufchat
11:15 pm AnassaRh: @J_GriffinB I’d love pregnancy to be a bonus too. #ufchat
11:15 pm MarciSischo: RT @curlyrbr: @MarciSischo The Silver Horde is a perfect example! #ufchat
11:15 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Thing is pregnancy does really WEIRD crap to a woman’s body – it feels supernatural not natural at all. Untapped for UF. #UFchat
11:16 pm J_GriffinB: @AnassaRh Well, an established character might be fun to put through this… Especially if she has a holy shit moment when power +5 #UFChat
11:17 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Xactly what I meant. It’s also ‘Woman’s magic’, and something no ‘dead thing’ could hope to match, pretty cool. #UFChat
11:17 pm UF_Chat: @ruthbeingruth People keep forgetting Buffy series-dealt with almost all the the current issues UF is neglecting. Incredible really. #UFchat
11:18 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Def. a big gap. Definitely NOT suggesting we keep to norms. But you asked why no pregnant women. πŸ™‚ #ufchat
11:18 pm J_GriffinB: And is the in-vitro child affected by the action? #UFChat
11:18 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Same here, on the soccer mom. So many books, so little time! #ufchat
11:18 pm AnassaRh: @J_GriffinB Yes yes yes! #ufchat
11:19 pm UF_Chat: @ruthbeingruth Actually I think short story I mentioned of black mom fighting vamp while kid watched WAS Principle Wood’s origin. #UFchat
11:19 pm J_GriffinB: en utero, I should have said, I think? #UFChat
11:19 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB OK – definitely reading your next book. πŸ˜‰ I’d love to see this explored. #UFchat
11:20 pm ruthbeingruth: @UF_Chat (not) Balancing Slayer life & normal life from “The Body” on was one of Buffy’s strengths. No steady job, etc. #UFchat
11:20 pm elizabethkarr: AGREE! RT @J_GriffinB @elizabethkarr I think the best fiction around is rooted in the overcoming of adversity. #UFChat
11:20 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat But I don’t write UF, dears. I just like the community here. #UFChat
11:20 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Yes – I want to see them all but all in one book would be a disaster! LOL #UFchat
11:20 pm J_GriffinB: I have many more ideas than I could ever write. #UFChat
11:21 pm curlyrbr: I have an MC who has to deal with the issue of bringing a child into her world that is unkind to humans #ufchat
11:21 pm AnassaRh: And it looks like I won’t make it through the remaining #ufchat until after work. Got to earn more money for books!
11:21 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Ditto – waiting for the direct brain download function for the rest & choosing the most urgent to actually write. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:22 pm J_GriffinB: It seems no one will be attending WFC with me? #UFChat
11:23 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh 😦 Will have to stay up for you again. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:23 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr Ooh – that sounds interesting. So are humans a minority in that world? #UFchat
11:23 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat I just finished the second draft of my SF cop thriller. #UFChat
11:23 pm UF_Chat: Gotta fly people! Thank you for a great ton of ideas. Monsters & Halloween next week! #UFchat
11:24 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Not on my behalf, please. If you want to respond to my posts, do so in the morning. Get your sleep. #ufchat
11:24 pm curlyrbr: @MishaPolonsky Enslaved and my MC is a free, wild human #ufchat
11:24 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky You might like Benighted – plain humans are the minority & werewolves are the normal ones. Need humans for full moons #UFchat
11:25 pm UF_Chat: @MishaPolonsky but otherwise are reviled – maybe more so because weres can’t completely do away with them. Fascinating book. #UFchat
11:25 pm curlyrbr: @J_GriffinB Pardon my dumb ?? but what is WFC #ufchat
11:26 pm MishaPolonsky: @UF_Chat Hm, I haven’t checked that out. Will do. Thanks πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:26 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Current;y have insomnia & sleepless toddler – likely up anyway. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:26 pm J_GriffinB: World Fantasy Convention… Industry folks, etc. End of October each year…Standby for link. #UFChat
11:26 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr Now that sounds even more interesting. #UFchat
11:27 pm UF_Chat: REALLY got to go! Pumpkins need picking & monsters hunting (for research purposes of course!) See y’all next week! #UFchat
11:27 pm J_GriffinB: http://www.contextsf.org/WFC/ #UFChat
11:27 pm MishaPolonsky: @UF_Chat Take care! #UFchat
11:27 pm inkgypsy: @J_GriffinB Hoping I can attend when toddler grows to be non-toddler… πŸ™‚ #UFchat (WFC)
11:28 pm J_GriffinB: @inkgypsy Next year is in San Diego, so not quite so far for you, I think? #UFChat
11:28 pm curlyrbr: @MishaPolonsky Yes, but then I say “Vampires rule” and the agents run away #ufchat
11:30 pm curlyrbr: @J_GriffinB if a con doesn’t fall during a holiday, I can’t go #ufchat
11:30 pm J_GriffinB: @curlyrbr Perhaps if they met you at something like WFC, they might listen… Just sayin. #UFChat
11:30 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr Haha. I have an idea stored away for a (believe it or not) sci-fi/UF story w/ vampires enslaving humans on another planet. #UFchat
11:31 pm J_GriffinB: @curlyrbr I took it off to go… Made some friends and came off last year’s high on the craft and possibilities. #UFChat
11:32 pm curlyrbr: @J_GriffinB I totally agree, but until I finish my PhD, math and work take precedence over travel for writing #ufchat
11:32 pm J_GriffinB: @MishaPolonsky Lifeforce was an incredible movie. Zombies at the will of Space Vampires. Truly awesome. #UFChat
11:33 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr Tho the humans on Earth aren’t and they don’t know about the vampire agents living there as spies for their “home” planet. #UFchat
11:34 pm J_GriffinB: @curlyrbr Good on you for getting educated. I failed to get an undergraduate degree, myself. Academia and me don’t mix well. #UFChat
11:34 pm MishaPolonsky: @J_GriffinB I was going to say: I personally haven’t seen much in the realm of sci-fi mixed w/ UF. I’ll check Lifeforce out. #UFchat
11:34 pm curlyrbr: @MishaPolonsky interesting…my humans are farmed like cows #ufchat
11:35 pm J_GriffinB: @MishaPolonsky The female lead is naked for most of the film, just warning you. #UFChat
11:36 pm J_GriffinB: @MishaPolonsky Not that it isn’t a pleasure to watch… #UFChat
11:36 pm rpgdm: RT @leapetra: @MarciSischo or in the Call of Ctuthulu RPG, older characters would be the fastest ones. LOL #ufchat
11:36 pm MishaPolonsky: @J_GriffinB Yeah, what’s wrong with that? πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:37 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr Cool. Are they kept alive for the most part or sucked dry? #UFchat
11:38 pm curlyrbr: @J_GriffinB College isn’t for everyone, but the PhD is something I had to go for, just like writing a novel #ufchat if I fail, I tried
11:38 pm J_GriffinB: @MishaPolonsky Nuttinatall, just warning in case there are children, religious fanatics or disapproving elders near your television. #UFChat
11:39 pm J_GriffinB: @curlyrbr May I ask what course of study you are pursuing? I like to have experts I can reach… #UFChat
11:40 pm MishaPolonsky: @J_GriffinB Gotcha. Thanks for the heads up. #UFchat
11:41 pm curlyrbr: @MishaPolonsky well, some have to be kept alive to breed, right? #ufchat
11:43 pm J_GriffinB: ‘Bout time fer me to git wannerin o’er ta da next perject. #UFChat
11:43 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr Oh, of course. Guess I meant whether any died at all or whether they were all kept alive and just fed on but never killed. #UFchat
11:45 pm curlyrbr: @MishaPolonsky Most diseases are under control by super-vaccines; some are kept as mates or “pets” #ufchat
11:46 pm J_GriffinB: I must remember to duck when I leave the room. #UFChat
11:48 pm MishaPolonsky: @curlyrbr That makes sense. Cool deal. It sounds like it’ll be a really great read. #UFchat
October 24, 2010
2:06 am hannahnpbowman: @AnassaRh I only follow your #ufchat posts, not the whole chat, but they have great ideas in them. πŸ™‚ I should read the rest…
2:08 am hannahnpbowman: @AnassaRh Re: pregnancy, Thursday Next is pregnant in one of her books, which are kind of UF, maybe… #ufchat
3:06 am specficdb: @annikkawoods would love to know your take on the angels and how you kept out the religion (under @kimidreams) #ufchat
6:36 am AnassaRh: @hannahnpbowman Kind of, maybe, yes. Thursday’s too out there in terms of setting for me to count them. But point about pregnancy. #ufchat
6:58 am AnassaRh: #ufchat A11a: Senior MC challenges: Voice and health, both mentioned already, spring to mind. Also several generations of concerned kids.
7:00 am AnassaRh: Re: senior health: “There are vampires!” mistaken as senility; MC has to avoid the senior’s home; walker as weapon. #ufchat
7:00 am jolantru: RT @AnassaRh: #ufchat A11a: Senior MC challenges: Voice and health, both mentioned already, spring to mind. Also several generations of concerned kids.
7:00 am AnassaRh: @J_GriffinB Heh, glad we’re not the only ones! @UF_chat #ufchat
7:01 am AnassaRh: Throwing this out there, at random: Has anyone written Deaf or anorexic MCs? #ufchat
7:02 am AnassaRh: A11b: I almost think we get young MCs because they’re “easier”, more athletic, bounce back quicker. #ufchat
7:03 am jolantru: @AnassaRh I have a partially paralyzed character. #UFchat
7:03 am AnassaRh: I’ve seen a few books with MCs in their 30s, but nobody older than that. You’d think age = experience and greater bad-assery, no? #ufchat
7:04 am AnassaRh: Ooh, excellent! RT @jolantru: @AnassaRh I have a partially paralyzed character. #UFchat
7:05 am AnassaRh: A11c: The cynic in me wants to “marketing” but I also suspect it’s a case of pub industry being several years behind. #ufchat
7:05 am AnassaRh: In other words, they’re probably buying middle-aged MCs now, but we won’t see any till 2012. #ufchat
7:09 am AnassaRh: Q12: Challenges of “disabled” MC: Finding ways to work around inabilities. Realistic portrayal from able-bodied writers. #ufchat
7:12 am AnassaRh: A12: Potential of “disabled” MC: Really cool weapons disguised as living aids. Seeing Eye Familiar. Disability turned into positive. #ufchat
7:12 am jolantru: @AnassaRh And most of my characters are in their 30s. πŸ˜‰ With kids. #UFchat
7:17 am AnassaRh: If #ufchat consensus re: minorities, accuracy, pet peeves indicative of desires of most UF readers, @jolantru‘s books will be bestsellers.
7:18 am AnassaRh: @jolantru Your books are sounding better and better? #ufchat
7:19 am jolantru: RT @AnassaRh: If #ufchat consensus re: minorities, accuracy, pet peeves indicative of desires of most UF readers, @jolantru‘s books will be bestsellers.
7:19 am jolantru: @AnassaRh Well, I hope so. But I write what I know – I want my story to be at least inclusive and real. #UFchat
7:21 am jolantru: @AnassaRh My main character is a mom, in her 30s. Mmm. With kids. Mmm. Her best friend is partially paralyzed/physically disabled. #UFchat
7:22 am AnassaRh: A12a: I don’t see being non-human as a disability. It’s all about isolation, feeling different?with bonus magic powers. #ufchat
7:23 am AnassaRh: @jolantru Inclusive and real are major selling points for me (and others, I suspect.) Love books that’re grounded in life like that. #ufchat
7:26 am AnassaRh: A12b: Disabilities = major physical disadvantage. Differences make you stand out. World not built for ppl who “don’t move right”, eg #ufchat
7:27 am AnassaRh: Another random thought: Have lower class/poor/homeless MCs been discussed? See lots of middle class women? #ufchat
7:29 am UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Most MCs seem to be scrounging for change, no matter what the background. True lower income heritage not so much tho. #ufchat
7:31 am AnassaRh: A12c: Disease can worsen; disabilities usually don’t. Disease saps strength differently, I think. #ufchat
7:32 am AnassaRh: A12c: Also, at some point disease can become disability. Chronic illnesses like MS, for instance. #ufchat
7:35 am AnassaRh: Blindness: See Daredevil, but more realistic. Honed senses, esp. to vibration. Possibly blind = able to see Beyond. #ufchat
7:36 am AnassaRh: Deafness: You’re not going to hear that siren/banshee, are you? Those vamps aren’t going to put you in thrall. #ufchat
7:38 am AnassaRh: Cerebral palsy: Paired with magic, could mean small movement, writ large. Jerk a finger, throw someone across the room. #ufchat
7:39 am AnassaRh: What if becoming supernatural didn’t cure you of human disabilities, and you’re still deaf, paralyzed, blind, etc? #ufchat
7:40 am AnassaRh: Or what if being supernatural meant your disabilities got exaggerated? Man with glasses ?> blind vamp. #ufchat
7:43 am AnassaRh: A12e: Definitely think exploring permanent injury would be cool. MC gets more and more beat up as the series goes on. #ufchat
7:44 am AnassaRh: Though now I’m reminded of Monty Python’s Black Knight: “It’s only a flesh wound!” #ufchat
7:45 am AnassaRh: On the subject of injured MCs, Kat Richardson’s gets a bum knee. Not much of a wound, compared to some, but? #ufchat
7:47 am MishaPolonsky: One of my fav. parts in that movie. RT @AnassaRh Though now I’m reminded of Monty Python’s Black Knight: “It’s only a flesh wound!” #ufchat
7:50 am AnassaRh: Okay, I think I’m talked out, unless anyone wants to respond to what I put out there. #ufchat
7:51 am MishaPolonsky: @AnassaRh W/ the permanent injury idea, every major wound/scar could tie to an important event in that series. Could be interesting. #UFchat
7:53 am AnassaRh: RT @MishaPolonsky: @AnassaRh W/ the permanent injury idea, every major wound/scar could tie to an important event in that series. Could be interesting. #UFchat
7:55 am AnassaRh: .@MishaPolonsky Or could store memory, or yield power? Touch the claw marks, get were powers for 2 hours? #ufchat
7:55 am AnassaRh: Or ? ooh! ooh! ? what about exploring phantom limb syndrome, in a literal sense? #ufchat
7:57 am MishaPolonsky: @AnassaRh Totally forgot to include the #UFchat in that last response. Oh well.
7:59 am AnassaRh: RT @MishaPolonsky: Activating powers? now that’s even more interesting.Could be opposite too – a curse.Touch claw marks, summon were #ufchat
8:00 am AnassaRh: @MishaPolonsky That’s a cool idea too. πŸ™‚ Could run the risk of doing both at once, as well. #ufchat
8:02 am MishaPolonsky: @AnassaRh Perhaps the cursed wounds are the deepest & most hidden. The others are more visible and provide minor powers. #UFchat
11:35 am jolantru: RT @AnassaRh: @jolantru Inclusive and real are major selling points for me (and others, I suspect.) Love books that’re grounded in life like that. #ufchat
1:01 pm hannahnpbowman: @AnassaRh The thing about Thursday’s pregnancy is it has basically no effect on what she does. So it barely counts anyway. #ufchat
1:03 pm hannahnpbowman: @AnassaRh I agree! #ufchat
3:51 pm AnassaRh: @hannahnpbowman Yeah, that’s true. Half the time she’s unaware it’s there. #ufchat
October 25, 2010
4:38 am inkgypsy: @kimidreams Liked your write up in the last Talechasing on the new website! Will try to promote this week during & at #UFchat. πŸ™‚
9:24 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat totally after the fact but here’s unique fantasy book w 13yr old MC + a teddy bear side kick. #ufchat http://amzn.to/cICbk6
11:22 pm inkgypsy: @JulieeJohnsonn The Hollow Chocolate Bunnies of the Apocalypse! Thx! #UFchat (Is reason I put up transcript later – to include late gold)
11:55 pm UF_Chat: Got a Halloween/haunted blog post going up urban fantasist’s will enjoy? Add #UFchat hashtag. I’ll collect & publish links on official blog!
11:55 pm inkgypsy: Got a Halloween/haunted blog post going up urban fantasist’s will enjoy? Add #UFchat hashtag. I’ll collect & publish links on official blog!
11:56 pm hashtager: # Got a Halloween/haunted blog post going up urban fantasist’s will enjoy? Add #UFchat hashtag. I’ll collect & publish links on offici…
11:58 pm ugbclub: RT @inkgypsy: Got a Halloween/haunted blog post going up urban fantasist’s will enjoy? Add #UFchat hashtag. I’ll collect & publish links on official blog!
October 26, 2010
2:03 am simonm223: Blogging the speculative Fiction Colloquium http://bit.ly/aPAiI5 #scifichat #writer #litchat #amwriting #wip #nanowrimo #ufchat #author
12:11 pm saskatoonauthor: The Walking Dead at Dark Central Station! Win copy of DEADTOWN or HELLFORGED by @nancyholzner http://tinyurl.com/33z2xnk #ufchat #scifichat
2:04 pm NancyHolzner: RT @saskatoonauthor: The Walking Dead at Dark Central Station! Win copy of DEADTOWN or HELLFORGED by @nancyholzner http://tinyurl.com/33z2xnk #ufchat #scifichat

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END OF TRANSCRIPT FOR OCTOBER 23rd, 2010

Next week is Halloween weekend! Woot! And we’ll be chatting about Why We Need Monsters in Urban Fantasy & the Awesome that is Halloween (our favorite holiday! Right?) ;) :D

Remember – if you are posting a Halloween post on your blog that has anything to do with writing monsters or scary or urban fantasy this week, please add the #UFchat hashtag so we can all read, enjoy and help promote you!

Also feel free to add thoughts and resources during the week – both on Halloween and on Urban Fantasy – as you think them (and create awesome posts) or find them – again, just use the #UFchat hashtag so I can find them and add them to the discussion & transcript.

Stay tuned to @UF_Chat on Twitter for countdowns and updates and happy Halloween week!

See you next week – it’s Halloween weekend!!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)


Transcript for October 16th, 2010: Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF (incl. plain vanilla humans) Part 1

Welcome back from the forced hiatus! Apologies for the unexpected break but everything appears to be fixed at #UFchat headquarters. πŸ™‚

This week’s topic was a can of worms, opened and spread everywhere, just to get us back in the mood:

Minorities and Other Missing Persons of UF (including plain vanilla humans!)

Official UFchat questions in YELLOW for easier reading.

Resources/ topic-related links are in BLUE.

If anyone wants to expand their thoughts in a blog post (or essay) in the coming weeks let me know and I’ll promote it.

Primer for #UFchat early birds: Analyzing Urban Fantasy by racialicious.com (diversity discussed 4th para on) http://bit.ly/dnUKYq

I added a couple of important notes at the start of the chat which I will repost here at the head:

IMPORTANT #UFchat note: With the subject of minorities, people are bound to feel odd discussing some aspects. Pls note Q’s are in generalities & there will be book & character exceptions to every statement. Please DO share them so all can be aware of them!

October 16, 2010
10:35 am UF_Chat: #UFchat IS BACK ONLINE!! Topic today Oct 16th: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pm PST Pls RT
10:35 am inkgypsy: #UFchat IS BACK ONLINE!! Topic today Oct 16th: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pm PST Pls RT
10:41 am UF_Chat: I’m back online!!!! #UFchat is ready to run – please let all the regulars (& potential newbies) know it’s on again: #UFchat 3pm PST/6pm EST
10:41 am inkgypsy: I’m back online!!!! #UFchat is ready to run – please let all the regulars (& potential newbies) know it’s on again: #UFchat 3pm PST/6pm EST
10:42 am inkgypsy: Wow – made it with hours to spare – literally. Very glad #UFchat will be up and running again – missed everyone (& their yummy brains πŸ˜‰
10:46 am inkgypsy: Just quickly – I’m behind online in EVERYTHING thanks to my multi-week internet outage. #UFchat 1st then replies, blogs & so on – ‘k?
12:30 pm outagetracker: RT @inkgypsy Just quickly – I’m behind online in EVERYTHING thanks to my multi-week internet outage. #UFchat 1st then replies, blogs & so…
1:28 pm AnassaRh: RT @UF_Chat: #UFchat IS BACK ONLINE!! Topic today Oct 16th: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pm PST Pls RT
1:48 pm LocoLuna: RT @inkgypsy: #UFchat IS BACK ONLINE!! Topic today Oct 16th: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (inc plain old humans!) 3pm PST Pls RT
3:05 pm Cher_Dawn: RT @UF_Chat: I’m back online!!!! #UFchat is ready to run – please let all the regulars (& potential newbies) know it’s on again: #UFchat 3pm PST/6pm EST
5:00 pm inkgypsy: #UFchat is BACK! Yay! TODAY’S TOPIC: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pm PST/6pm EST Pls RT
5:00 pm UF_Chat: #UFchat is BACK! Yay! TODAY’S TOPIC: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pm PST/6pm EST Pls RT
5:01 pm StephanieLMcGee: @inkgypsy Welcome back! Sadly, I have to work so I won’t be able to join y’all for #UFChat this time around.
5:05 pm edentyler: RT @inkgypsy: #UFchat is BACK! Yay! TODAY’S TOPIC: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pm PST/6pm EST Pls RT
5:16 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat And this time I’m going to drink enough coffee to make it through the chat… #UFchat
6:00 pm inkgypsy: The Missing Persons of UF are tracked down TODAY in #UFchat (yes – I’m back online!) – Minorities & much more… 3pm PST/6pm EST
6:00 pm UF_Chat: The Missing Persons of UF are tracked down TODAY in #UFchat (yes – I’m back online!) – Minorities & much more… 3pm PST/6pm EST
6:55 pm tadbo: RT @inkgypsy: The Missing Persons of UF are tracked down TODAY in #UFchat (yes – I’m back online!) – Minorities & much more. 3pm PST/6pm EST
7:00 pm inkgypsy: 3 hours till #UFchat today! Yes – I’m baaaack… (no more search parties needed) The Missing Persons of UF – found! Today @ 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:00 pm UF_Chat: 3 hours till #UFchat today! Yes – I’m baaaack… (no more search parties needed) The Missing Persons of UF – found! Today @ 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:01 pm TENscribeshop: RT @inkgypsy: 3 hours till #UFchat today! Yes – I’m baaaack…The Missing Persons of UF – found! Today @ 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:01 pm cindymariej: RT @inkgypsy: 3 hours till #UFchat today! Yes – I’m baaaack…The Missing Persons of UF – found! Today @ 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:06 pm Patti_OShea: RT @inkgypsy: 3 hours till #UFchat today! Yes – I’m baaaack… (no more search parties needed) The Missing Persons of UF – found! Today @ 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:25 pm AlyxDellamonica: RT @inkgypsy: #UFchat is BACK! Yay! TODAY’S TOPIC: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pm PST/6pm EST Pls RT
7:34 pm miranda00writes: RT @UF_Chat: 3 hours till #UFchat today! Yes – I’m baaaack… (no more search parties needed) The Missing Persons of UF – found! Today @ 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:34 pm elizabethkarr: RT @inkgypsy: 3 hours till #UFchat today! Yes – I’m baaaack… (no more search parties needed) The Missing Persons of UF – found! Today @ 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:42 pm MarciSischo: RT @inkgypsy: 3 hours till #UFchat today! Yes – I’m baaaack… (no more search parties needed) The Missing Persons of UF – found! Today @ 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:00 pm inkgypsy: #UFchat is back! 2 hours till chat time! TODAY: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:00 pm UF_Chat: #UFchat is back! 2 hours till chat time! TODAY: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including plain old vanilla humans!) 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:13 pm DEcharacters: Looking forward to this week’s chat, if I can post using the chat site. #UFchat
8:16 pm inkgypsy: @DEcharacters Hi! I use Tweetchat as it seems to work best but I also have Tweetdeck open as backup. Hope to see you at #UFchat today!
8:20 pm inkgypsy: @VampBookClub Am reconnected to interwebz! Able to make #UFchat today? So behind due to outage, have no idea what’s happening in universe..
8:27 pm inkgypsy: @Daylilie222 Hi! I wasn’t home much and I had #UFchat to prep for so had to be disciplined – up till 4am as it was not having any other opp!
8:29 pm DEcharacters: @inkgypsy The last few weeks when I’ve tried chat it wouldn’t show any of my posts from this username, but it’s working this week #UFchat
8:30 pm inkgypsy: 90 mins till #UFchat! WE’RE BACK ONLINE!! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including garden variety humans!) 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:30 pm UF_Chat: 90 mins till #UFchat! WE’RE BACK ONLINE!! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including garden variety humans!) 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:31 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @inkgypsy: 90 mins till #UFchat! WE’RE BACK ONLINE!! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including garden variety humans!) 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:35 pm NebuKhet: RT @inkgypsy: 90 mins till #UFchat! WE’RE BACK ONLINE!! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including garden variety humans!) 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:40 pm Patti_OShea: RT @inkgypsy: 90 mins till #UFchat! WE’RE BACK ONLINE!! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including garden variety humans!) 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:49 pm LaylaMessner: @inkgypsy Welcome back!!! #UFchat
8:50 pm inkgypsy: @DEcharacters I’ve been offline – no internet access so #UFchat has been on forced hiatus as result BUT I’m back today & it’s running! Yay.
8:55 pm amandabonilla: Hoping to get all of my errands done in time for #ufchat. 3…2…1… GO!
8:59 pm UF_Chat: Got my can opener ready for the can of worms I’m bringing to #UFchat today… he he…
8:59 pm inkgypsy: Got my can opener ready for the can of worms I’m bringing to #UFchat today… he he…
9:00 pm UF_Chat: 1 hour countdown till #UFchat today! Pls spread word we’re up & running again! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF 3pmPST
9:00 pm inkgypsy: 1 hour countdown till #UFchat today! Pls spread word we’re up & running again! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF 3pmPST
9:08 pm wildbloom: RT @inkgypsy: 1 hour countdown till #UFchat today! Pls spread word we’re up & running again! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF 3pmPST
9:29 pm inkgypsy: I have an awesome guest post on the dark heroes of urban fantasy I can’t wait to put up! After #UFchat today – stay tuned!
9:30 pm UF_Chat: Only 30 minutes to the controversial return of #UFchat! (you know you want ‘in’) Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:30 pm inkgypsy: Only 30 minutes to the controversial return of #UFchat! (you know you want ‘in’) Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:30 pm edentyler: RT @inkgypsy: 90 mins till #UFchat! WE’RE BACK ONLINE!! Today: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF (including garden variety humans!) 3pmPST/6pmEST
9:32 pm TENscribeshop: RT @UF_Chat: Only 30 min 2 controversial return of #UFchat! (you know U wnt ‘in’) Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:32 pm cindymariej: RT @UF_Chat: Only 30 min 2 controversial return of #UFchat! (you know U wnt ‘in’) Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:35 pm edentyler: RT @inkgypsy: Only 30 minutes to the controversial return of #UFchat! (you know you want ‘in’) Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:37 pm Saffy: @inkgypsy I’m going to be off to bed 😦 so no me as either Saffy or @TheMonsterBlogs I’m afraid #UFChat
9:38 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: #UFchat More coffee!
9:41 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @MauriceBroaddus #UFChat is discussing missing minorities (including vanilla humans) in Urban Fantasy. Starts in 20mins.
9:43 pm annikkawoods: @inkgypsy And I’m REALLY looking forward to #UFChat today. I’d bounce up & down but I’d hurt myself again. LOL
9:45 pm inkgypsy: 15 minutes to #UFchat! Time to pull on my boots & check my search ‘n’ rescue pack – we’re hunting down The Missing Persons of UF! 3pmPST
9:45 pm UF_Chat: 15 minutes to #UFchat! Time to pull on my boots & check my search ‘n’ rescue pack – we’re hunting down The Missing Persons of UF! 3pmPST
9:45 pm annikkawoods: RT 15 minutes to #UFchat! Time to pull on my boots & check my search ‘n’ rescue pack – we’re hunting down The Missing Persons of UF! 3pmPST
9:49 pm AnassaRh: Getting ready for #UFChat! Excited to have it back. New followers, prepare thyselves. I’m about to get talkative.
9:51 pm UF_Chat: Does word ‘minority’ make you twitchy? What if I told you humans are just that in UF? Come look at our can of worms today- #UFchat -10 mins!
9:51 pm inkgypsy: Does word ‘minority’ make you twitchy? What if I told you humans are just that in UF? Come look at our can of worms today- #UFchat -10 mins!
9:51 pm JulieeJohnsonn: RT @UF_Chat: Does word ‘minority’ make you twitchy? What if I told you humans are just that in UF? Come look at our can of worms today- #UFchat -10 mins!
9:52 pm AnassaRh: RT @inkgypsy: Does word ‘minority’ make you twitchy? What if I told you humans are just that in UF? Come look at our can of worms today- #UFchat -10 mins!
9:52 pm KellyMeding: RT @UF_Chat: Does word ‘minority’ make you twitchy? What if I told you humans are just that in UF? Come look at our can of worms today- #UFchat -10 mins!
9:52 pm inkgypsy: About to change identities to the #UFchat moderator – getting boots on & sharpening my can opener for the worms I’m about to spill… he he!
9:53 pm UF_Chat: Primer for #UFchat early birds: Analyzing Urban Fantasy by racialicious.com (diversity discussed 4th para on) http://bit.ly/dnUKYq #UFchat
9:53 pm JulieeJohnsonn: Urban fantasy enthusiasts! #UFchat is soon to start! 6PM EST! Great group to chat with! Come join!
9:56 pm shadowflame1974: RT @UF_Chat: Primer for #UFchat early birds: Analyzing Urban Fantasy by racialicious.com (diversity discussed 4th para on) http://bit.ly/dnUKYq #UFchat
9:56 pm shadowflame1974: Yea, home in time for #UFchat
9:57 pm UF_Chat: Taking urban fantasy and shaking up cans of worms on #UFchat today. Minorities & Other Missing Persons (including humans!) in UF!
9:57 pm wildbloom: Finally made it to #UFChat
9:58 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: #UFChat Grab some coffee while we warm up.
9:58 pm annikkawoods: RT Primer for #UFchat early birds: Analyzing Urban Fantasy (diversity discussed 4th para on) http://bit.ly/dnUKYq #UFchat
9:58 pm MarciSischo: Hello, UFChat! I’ve been trying to make this chat since it started! πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:00 pm UF_Chat: 3, 2… & now live with #UFchat! Welcome back after #UFchat?s forced hiatus! Let’s get back in the saddle with something controversial:
10:00 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Hello! Welcome! So glad to be back myself & welcome a #UFchat newbie all in one day. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:00 pm UF_Chat: @wildbloom Hi! Great to see you today! #UFchat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: There may be a lot of exclamation marks today as I’m so happy to be back finally!! LOL #UFchat
10:01 pm wildbloom: @UF_Chat Glad to be here. Bring on the UF goodness. πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: TODAY?S TOPIC: Minorities & Other Missing Persons in UF ? esp. in MCs -(including plain old vanilla humans!) #UFchat
10:01 pm DEcharacters: Yay! and I got back from the grocery store just in time #UFchat
10:01 pm AnassaRh: It’s good to be back. Excited for the topic! #UFChat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: IMPORTANT #UFchat note: With subject of minorities, people are bound to feel odd discussing some aspects. Pls note Q’s are in generalities..
10:02 pm annikkawoods: Yay! So glad to have you back. *snuggles down* Ready for the chat! #ufchat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: IMPORTANT #UFchat cont: & there will be book & character exceptions to every statement. Please DO share them so all can be aware of them!
10:02 pm UF_Chat: Reminder: ?S? stands for statement which will be followed by a ?Q? (a related #UFchat question for discussion). #UFchat
10:03 pm UF_Chat: For those who missed it, the primer for #UFchat early birds discusses some of the (lack of) diversity in UF http://bit.ly/dnUKYq #UFchat
10:03 pm UF_Chat: S: UF initially preferred non-standards for MCs (misfits, strong/violent women, not blonde etc) but now accused of lack diversity. #UFchat
10:03 pm UF_Chat: Q1: Who are the ?missing persons? of UF ? particularly w regard to MCs? (There are a lot?) & don?t forget vanilla variety humans! #UFchat
10:04 pm last_lines: Made it to the chat #ufchat
10:04 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat Hello all! I was away for awhile. Glad to be back! Topic looks very interesting! #ufchat
10:04 pm MarciSischo: Just discussing topic with my co-author. The only example he can think of is a cartoon network cartoon. #UFChat
10:04 pm Patti_OShea: RT @inkgypsy: Does word ‘minority’ make you twitchy? What if I told you humans are just that in UF? Come look at our can of worms today- #UFchat -10 mins!
10:04 pm annikkawoods: A1: Blacks, Hispanics, Japanese, Asian in general, anyone not white…and of course plain vanilla humans are all missing. #ufchat
10:05 pm MarciSischo: Er, only example of minorities w/ lead roles in UF, that is. #UFChat
10:05 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat I think UF was really the frontier, but its becoming mainstream…hence the lack of diversity #ufchat
10:05 pm DEcharacters: I think some diversity is there, the books are just harder to find. GLBT in most genres takes research instead of grab off shelf #UFchat
10:05 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo LOL What cartoon is that? #UFchat
10:05 pm MarciSischo: Well, I suppose there’s Anita Blake herself. Half-Mexican but, & I quote, “pale enough to pass.” *eyeroll* #UFChat
10:06 pm MarciSischo: Um … seems like the character’s name is Jake Long? #UFChat
10:06 pm annikkawoods: @DEcharacters I’ve had a heck of a time finding GLBT characters. #ufchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: @JulieeJohnsonn Yes – started by hitting atypical heroines/heroes & tropes but now mainstreamed. Interesting societal response! #UFchat
10:06 pm cindymariej: Jumping in and out of #UFChat – more of a listener!
10:06 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Um, American Dragon. Jake Long, high school kid, Asian, turns into a dragon & fights evil in his spare time. #UFChat
10:07 pm simonm223: Oh hey, #ufchat is now. Kewl!
10:07 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo American Dragon: Jake Long is the cartoon series & it’s actually on Disney, I think. #ufchat
10:07 pm AnassaRh: A1: Non-whites, definitely and LGBT MCs. And I think we’ve skewed too far towards violent. Need to move back to more normal people. #ufchat
10:07 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Hi Patti! Should be a fun topic today (hope we don’t ruffle feathers TOO much, though some is good. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:07 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: #UFchat Kingmaker is a good example of non-white UF
10:07 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo Anita doesn’t count. She’s “white associated”, aka she sees herself as white rather than half Mexican. #ufchat
10:07 pm simonm223: RT @annikkawoods: A1: Blacks, Hispanics, Japanese, Asian in general, anyone not white…and of course plain vanilla humans missing. #ufchat
10:08 pm MarciSischo: @annikkawoods Ah, that’s it! He wasn’t sure. πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:08 pm DEcharacters: @annikkawoods same here. even generalized fantasy, there are some old ones an occasional new but i really have to search for any #UFchat
10:08 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo See? That’s great! I’d add Sesame Street too – classic urban fantasy (for kids) with diversity! πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:08 pm simonm223: @annikkawoods correction: Asians who are not senseis or sifus for MCs. #ufchat
10:08 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo Kid I used to babysit loved the show. #ufchat
10:08 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @AnassaRh Definately need some non bad ass VCs #ufchat
10:08 pm MarciSischo: @annikkawoods Nah, I wouldn’t count her either. I was just always annoyed w/ the “pale enough to pass” line. πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:08 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat what’s great about UF is it has potential for more diversity within the fantasy structure…wonder why its not? #ufchat
10:09 pm UF_Chat: S: 2 trends re minorities (either as is or represented by supernatural race): 1) hardly any 2) a ton of different min. in one place. #UFchat
10:09 pm annikkawoods: @DEcharacters I’ve seen a few YA offerings come out. But not much. #ufchat
10:09 pm UF_Chat: Q2: Why are there often no (or hardly any) minority groups represented in a chock-full creature UF world? #UFchat
10:09 pm annikkawoods: @simonm223 Very true. Too many of them are “teachers” and not the MC themselves. #ufchat
10:09 pm UF_Chat: @JulieeJohnsonn EGGZACTLY! (hence the topic) πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:10 pm AnassaRh: RT @JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat what’s great about UF is it has potential for more diversity within the fantasy structure…wonder why its not? #ufchat
10:10 pm MarciSischo: @JulieeJohnsonn Are most UF writers whites, themselves? #UFChat
10:10 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat A2:Probably because people aren’t as willing to write non-white MCs because that’s always been seen as the “norm”. #ufchat
10:11 pm MarciSischo: We’ve made an effort to add minorities to our book, but they aren’t MCs. (Nor are they stereotype teachers. Heh.) #UFChat
10:11 pm last_lines: My WIP is set in Africa so actually has many African characters..two of the MCs are african #ufchat
10:11 pm DEcharacters: I don’t read much in genre yet, but do all books say the characters race? or does it end up that way with covers, etc? #UFchat
10:12 pm annikkawoods: @DEcharacters A lot of times it does reference how “pale” they are, or how enemies fear to “mar the pale perfection” of their bodies #ufchat
10:12 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo That’s a good question and from tours & profiles it would seem so.. which begs question is UF more appealing to whites? #UFchat
10:12 pm AnassaRh: A2: Easiest answer’s probably that writers want to be seen as diverse, so use a bunch of skin colors instead of one or two. #ufchat
10:13 pm annikkawoods: I do have minorities as MCs in my books. Cel’s 1/2 Mexican (and identifies as Mexican), Sal’s Native American, and Jae is Japanese. #ufchat
10:13 pm UF_Chat: Q2a: On other extreme, why is tendency to lump lots of minorities into one place (ie ALL/MANY represented in one room/pack/hive etc) #UFchat
10:13 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat As a small-town white girl myself, I tend to not use minorities, because I’m afraid of getting them wrong by mistake. #UFChat
10:13 pm AnassaRh: A2: Also, if you have lots of one min. group, then you probably have to research the culture more. Harder to gloss over. #ufchat
10:13 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat To me, that’s b/c in cities minorities do tend to lump together in neighborhoods according to their racial profiles. #ufchat
10:14 pm DEcharacters: @annikkawoods interesting. Might check for that in my reading. I rarely ever mention any characters’ skin tone or race in general #UFchat
10:14 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: A2 TV: recently told to think in terms of ‘raceless’ characters. Raceless=white 9 times out of 10. #UFChat
10:14 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @MarciSischo that’s what I suspect, they don’t go beyond their own race reality…afraid to? introducing race can be tricky…? #ufchat
10:14 pm annikkawoods: @DEcharacters I tend to do it to give people an idea of what I see when I think of the character. But I try to keep it vague too. #ufchat
10:15 pm MarciSischo: @JulieeJohnsonn Well, I wouldn’t want to inadvertently offend someone. That’s why I’m careful about it. #UFChat
10:15 pm wildbloom: My WIP has white, african american and asian–all sisters–in main or sub-main roles. It’s been interesting to write. #UFChat
10:15 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: A2 – I have mixed race protagonist for my series. #UFChat
10:15 pm annikkawoods: @JulieeJohnsonn It is tricky. I’ve been blessed to have several multi-ethnicity friends. Otherwise I’d be scared to try. #ufchat
10:15 pm AnassaRh: I think min. groups do tend to clump in our world. Solidarity, similarities, protection ? So why not in packs and hives? #ufchat
10:16 pm wildbloom: Haven’t read some of those other UF books, so I can’t comment on their MCs. #UFChat
10:16 pm AnassaRh: But to have a mix of minorities in the same group? Not as likely. #ufchat
10:16 pm UF_Chat: @annikkawoods Yes -re groups tog -meant more of all diff types lumped tog. Rarely see Asian, Hispanic, Blacks etc all tog in 1 place #UFchat
10:16 pm AnassaRh: Oh! Other minorities we’ve missed: disabled, handicapped, visually impaired, etc. #ufchat
10:16 pm MarciSischo: Our MCs are white, but we have several minority 2nd characters. #UFChat
10:17 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat That’s true. The mixed minorities don’t happen very often unless you’ve got a ghetto & then the lines are still drawn. #ufchat
10:17 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Maybe didn’t phrase Q well – meant all DIFF minorities clumping together in same place – that rarely happens IRL. #UFchat
10:17 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat At least, that’s been my experience. I could be totally off on my last comment. #ufchat
10:17 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Yay! Was hoping someone would start thinking outside race. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:18 pm DEcharacters: @AnassaRh good one. I did find the character interesting in Avatar as he was in a wheel chair in his human body #UFchat
10:18 pm UF_Chat: @annikkawoods Agree – in fact in ghettos lines are often STRONGLY drawn b/w races – to extremes it seems. #UFchat
10:18 pm annikkawoods: @AnassaRh Good point. We do tend to overlook them & they’re minorities. Though to be honest, I’m not sure a disabled MC would work #ufchat
10:18 pm AnassaRh: MCs in WIP include 2 of Chinese descent. Want to run MS past people with same background before subbing (if I can find some). #ufchat
10:19 pm MarciSischo: The MC for Tanya Huff’s detective series was going blind. It was a big thing in the early books. #UFChat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: @annikkawoods There is one successful series where MC has vision impairment that gets worse thru 4 bks before gets turned to vamp. #UFchat
10:19 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat I was working my way to addressing that. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
10:19 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @annikkawoods I think a disabled MC might work – wizard in a wheelchair anyone? #ufchat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo That’s the one – Tanya Huff. #UFchat
10:19 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo Haven’t read those. Think I’ll have to look into that. @UF_Chat which series? I’d love to read those. #ufchat
10:20 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Yep. Can’t for the life of me remember the name of the series, though. MC was Victoria, vamp was Henry Fitzhugh, though. #UFChat
10:20 pm cindymariej: @DEcharacters That’s where the interesting part of him ended, unfortunately #notanAvatarfan #UFchat
10:20 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Maybe that’s one of reasons don’t see it much – people want 2 cents from people of ‘x’ descent before submitting -not easy #UFchat
10:20 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Think I’ll have to look those up. #ufchat
10:20 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @annikkawoods @AnassaRh but in fantasy world ‘disability’ could = difference but also = a special power: like in comicbooks #ufchat
10:20 pm UF_Chat: Q3: Racial minorities: who?s often missing from the ranks? (not just MCs). #UFchat
10:21 pm MarciSischo: @annikkawoods Aha! Google says they were called the “Blood Books.” Blood Price, Blood Trail, etc. #UFChat
10:21 pm UF_Chat: Re Q3 think beyond ‘Asian, Black, Hispanic’ etc – many more peoples in the world… #UFchat
10:21 pm cindymariej: RT @MarciSischo: The MC for Tanya Huff’s detective series was going blind. It was a big thing in the early books. #UFChat
10:21 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat You don’t see many (if any) Middle Eastern characters. Or many deaf ones. #ufchat
10:22 pm AnassaRh: @annikkawoods Don’t see why not. We have wheelchair athletes, so why not wheelchair fighters? They’d also work in less actiony plots #ufchat
10:22 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo *adds to the TBR list* Hanging out with all of you has definitely improved my reading list. LOL #ufchat
10:22 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Q3: Kazahks, Uzbeks , Georgians etc #UFchat
10:22 pm UF_Chat: @JulieeJohnsonn Xlnt! Agree – rarely see it as such but the potential definitely there. #UFchat
10:22 pm annikkawoods: @AnassaRh A very good point. And I stand corrected. LOL I guess I’m a little more narrow-minded than I thought. #ufchat
10:23 pm AnassaRh: @annikkawoods Limping MCs, MCs with glasses or artificial limbs ? I see backstory and obstacles, not impossibility. #ufchat
10:23 pm J_GriffinB: Bit late, but here. #ufchat
10:23 pm UF_Chat: Q3a: Age groups: who?s missing, especially in lead roles? #UFchat
10:23 pm DEcharacters: here’s a question. how often does white consider the characters family background? or is it just a general used type #UFchat
10:23 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Indonesians, anyone who doesn’t have a media presence in the US #UFchat
10:23 pm MarciSischo: Q3 — I can’t think of any Middle Eastern characters or MCs. Seems a shame, too. Their mythology is ripe for UF plunder. πŸ˜‰ #UFChat
10:23 pm annikkawoods: I also tend to look at disabilities as MENTAL disabilities. Too many deaf/blind friends who didn’t look on it like that. #ufchat
10:23 pm AnassaRh: I liked her! RT @MarciSischo: The MC for Tanya Huff’s detective series was going blind. It was a big thing in the early books. #UFChat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: Q3b: Other minorities: sexual orientation, disabled, religious? what?s missing from mainstream UF particularly re MCs? #UFchat
10:24 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Teenagers that AREN’T raised to be “the chosen one”, middle aged heroes/heroines. #ufchat
10:25 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Aged people #UFchat
10:25 pm MarciSischo: Vanilla humans in general are missing from the genre. That annoys me a bit. I’d like to see the “norms” better represented. #UFChat
10:25 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat LGBT was already mentioned. The disabled in just about any variety. MCs who AREN’T tied to the Catholic church in some way. #ufchat
10:25 pm J_GriffinB: The fat, the ugly, the coneheads… #ufchat
10:25 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Q3b out and out athiests #UFchat
10:26 pm DEcharacters: does the character have to be sexual? *thinking of asexual characters* #UFchat
10:26 pm MarciSischo: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Q3b out and out athiests — TOTALLY. #UFChat
10:26 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Plain, nerdy, more intelligent than strong, sickly, etc. There’s so much out there that ISN’T included in UF. #ufchat
10:26 pm AnassaRh: @ufchat With Twitter and other networking, shouldn’t be hard to find someone though. And I’m in heavily Asian city, too. #ufchat
10:26 pm UF_Chat: Q3c: Who else is missing? How about plain ‘vanilla’ humans w no ?half? heritages or magical doodads they?re the keeper/user of? #UFchat
10:27 pm J_GriffinB: A3c: I’d like to see the Flashman of the UF world. #ufchat
10:28 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Q3c: Murphy in Dresden #UFchat
10:28 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh That’s awesome-was just thinking re many authors who want to use a diff heritage & don’t b/c don’t have real life ‘access’ #UFchat
10:28 pm MarciSischo: Q3c — Yeah, that drives me nuts. I’d love to see more of that. Several of my secondaries are just humans. #UFChat
10:28 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat Q3b: all these ideas R great, but I always wonder…how far can U go BR you R out of the genre? Can U change tropes 2 much? #ufchat
10:28 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Q3c: Vanilla humans have short life spans unless they tool up quick. #UFchat
10:28 pm MarciSischo: @Ben_Aaronovitch That’s the only one I can think of off the top of my head, though. #UFChat
10:29 pm AnassaRh: Q3: To add to the list, Koreans, Thai, Filipinos, Polynesians, Mongols? #ufchat
10:29 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @J_GriffinB Flashman: a feel a series coming on, sort of Interview with a Non Vampire #ufchat
10:29 pm UF_Chat: Q4: Why has there been a tendency to stick to the young, single, hot, usually Caucasian, often magically-enhanced/powered ?type?? #UFchat
10:29 pm annikkawoods: @JulieeJohnsonn I look at it this way. Tropes are guides, not hard & fast rules. Rules were meant to be bent or broken in writing. #ufchat
10:30 pm J_GriffinB: @AnassaRh Or the Aboriginal Dreaming. #ufchat
10:30 pm simonm223: RT @J_GriffinB: The fat, the ugly, the coneheads… #ufchat
10:30 pm simonm223: RT @MarciSischo: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Q3b out and out athiests — TOTALLY. #UFChat
10:30 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Most easily marketed. #ufchat
10:30 pm AnassaRh: A3a: Would love to over-30s and over-50s, any gender. #ufchat
10:30 pm simonm223: RT @UF_Chat: Q3c: Who else is missing? How about plain ‘vanilla’ humans w no ?half? heritages or magical doodads they?re user of? #UFchat
10:31 pm MarciSischo: RT @J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Most easily marketed. — Yep, I think you’re on to something. #UFChat
10:31 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Q4: answer is embedded in the question – young. single, hot…. #UFchat
10:31 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Very interested in that too -Aussie here and even when modernized the Aboriginal people have strong spiritual connection #UFchat
10:31 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @annikkawoods yes, agreed, but the transformation of tropes has 2 B gradual? Big breaks from tradition = not in genre anymore? #ufchat
10:31 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat The dreaming is an unopened box of goodies. #ufchat
10:32 pm AnassaRh: A3b: We’re missing non-Christians, for sure. Lots more religions to choose from. #ufchat
10:32 pm MarciSischo: (You all know I’m taking notes here, so I can double-check against our WIP, right? πŸ˜‰ ) #UFChat
10:32 pm last_lines: I think normal “vanilla” mc would make interesting reading, that would be why the fantasy creatures are drawn to them & viceversa. #ufchat
10:32 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Yes but also why? I don’t find those type appealing in daily life (esp in jaded LA) – so why so much in UF? #UFchat
10:32 pm AnassaRh: RT @annikkawoods: Plain, nerdy, more intelligent than strong, sickly, etc. There’s so much out there that ISN’T included in UF. #ufchat
10:32 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @JulieeJohnsonn TRuce but not sure race/class/kickassness of MC is a critical trope. #ufchat
10:32 pm datadivajf: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: A2 TV: recently told to think in terms of ‘raceless’ characters. Raceless=white 9 times out of 10. #UFChat
10:33 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo He he – it’s one of the reasons we have the chat – to help y’all write awesome UF! πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:33 pm J_GriffinB: @Ben_Aaronovitch A coward who gets credit for fighting the evils would be quite fun, I think…. #ufchat
10:33 pm UF_Chat: S: One of the first big UF series by LA Banks had strong black female MC. #UFchat
10:33 pm UF_Chat: Q5: Why has there been a distinct lack of black MCs in urban fantasy despite success of The Vampire Huntress series? #UFchat
10:33 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat Q4: sex sells? people want to identify with a powerful individual, and that is how our society defines power? #ufchat
10:33 pm annikkawoods: @JulieeJohnsonn Genre guidelines, I’ve noticed, get blurred all the time. That’s why I tell my story & worry about genre later. #ufchat
10:34 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @J_GriffinB Oh man, the true adventures of Van Helsing – there just aren’t enough hours in the day (wail) #ufchat
10:34 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat romance and fantasy. No one wants to identify with the fat, ugly, narcissism and halitosis of reality. They want hotnsexy #ufchat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: @JulieeJohnsonn Agree on surface but we tire of it quickly & UF great at dealing with societal issues so why not transcend this 2? #UFchat
10:34 pm last_lines: RT @annikkawoods: Genre guidelines, Ive noticed, get blurred all the time. Thats why I tell my story & worry about genre later. #ufchat
10:34 pm AnassaRh: A4: Easier to give them drama outside of main plot. Multiple love interests, for starters? #ufchat
10:35 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @annikkawoods I find that so interesting. Other writes have said that. But I can’t escape genre, always aware of the boundaries! #ufchat
10:35 pm Cher_Dawn: @null A lot of all this depends on the writer. We write what we know. It’s hard to fake being another race, etc. #UFchat
10:35 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Halitosis IS a problem – esp for women to get beyond in mates. Smell is more important than looks according to studies.. #UFchat
10:35 pm simonm223: RT @J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat romance and fantasy. No one wants to identify with the fat, ugly, narcissism and halitosis of reality. #ufchat
10:35 pm J_GriffinB: @JulieeJohnsonn Write it. Let others decide your genre, then disappoint them. #ufchat
10:35 pm MarciSischo: RT @Cher_Dawn: @null A lot of all this depends on the writer. We write what we know. Its hard to fake being another race, etc. #UFChat
10:36 pm miranda00writes: Q5: Maybe authors write what they live? If they live in a diverse family or community, then their characters will be as well. #UFChat
10:36 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat It’s taken me 24 months from idea to release so many more could be on the way #UFchat
10:36 pm UF_Chat: @Cher_Dawn Agree – and it DOES seem more whites write UF than other heritages. Not sure why that’s the case though. #UFchat
10:36 pm MarciSischo: @Cher_Dawn True that. Main reason right there why I’ll prob never write a minority MC. I’d be scared of screwing it up. #UFChat
10:37 pm UF_Chat: Should I repost Q5? #UFchat
10:37 pm annikkawoods: @JulieeJohnsonn I prefer writing w/o boundaries. One of the reasons I write UF/fantasy most of the time. Boundaries are set by me. #ufchat
10:37 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Of course it is. That is why I own stock in altoids. Soon my massive cranium shall be the norm. All shall worship my skull. #ufchat
10:37 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @miranda00writes Growing up with diverse neighbours, friends etc certainly helps #UFChat
10:37 pm miranda00writes: For example, I’m in a mixed-race marriage, so guess what? Often my protagonist is as well. #UFchat
10:37 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat There was a Q5? #UFChat
10:37 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @UF_Chat Yes + I think UF is going 2 do amazing things in terms of gender, race, etc as writers subtly transform the genre. #ufchat
10:38 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Now we have no empires, we must impose our thoughts on others in some manner. #ufchat
10:38 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Seems we are VERY concerned about stepping on minority toes in this PC age – which is ironic considering what UF is. #UFchat
10:38 pm AnassaRh: A4: Also maybe we/pubs think UF = escapist and escapist = younger MC than reader? #ufchat
10:38 pm UF_Chat: REPOST for Q5 – S: One of the first big UF series by LA Banks had strong black female MC. #UFchat
10:39 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Well, I’ve never known many minorities. I feel like even w/ research, I’d mess up the culture if I tried, you know? #UFChat
10:39 pm UF_Chat: Q5: Why has there been a distinct lack of black MCs in urban fantasy despite success of The Vampire Huntress series? #UFchat
10:39 pm annikkawoods: A5: There’s a lack of black MCs because people are scared to write them. The stigma of being non-white is so strong even today. #ufchat
10:39 pm Cher_Dawn: #null And it depends on what the publishers are buying/marketing/ as hot (or not) and what readers are buying. #UFchat
10:39 pm J_GriffinB: @MarciSischo Always good to know what you can do and what might be a stretch. #ufchat
10:39 pm JulieeJohnsonn: Thanks everyone for a great #ufchat! Unfortunately, I have to go grocery shopping now (I’ve held off long enough!) See you next time! πŸ™‚
10:40 pm annikkawoods: A5: It’s why there’s a distinct lack of non-white MCs. People are scared to branch out from what’s normal/what they see sells. #ufchat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Hmm – pity re that POV of younger – don’t agree with it, but that’s me… #UFchat
10:40 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat I think the number is increasing. #UFchat
10:40 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat I’d put it down to what we’ve already said. Us whites are too worried about writing minorities & Doin It Rong. πŸ˜‰ #UFChat
10:40 pm wildbloom: I’ve known a few writers who do black MCs but they aren’t mainstream published, nor are they novels yet. Great MCs, too. #UFChat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: @JulieeJohnsonn Thanks for joining in! Awesome contributions today. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: S: Oddly, urban FICTION (as opposed to urban FANTASY) not only suggests inner-city & grit but often black characters too. #UFchat
10:40 pm J_GriffinB: @MarciSischo I think that is it. #ufchat
10:41 pm AnassaRh: @annikkawoods A5: I’d say the stigma of Getting It Wrong is just as powerful. #ufchat
10:41 pm UF_Chat: Q5a: Why is there not more prevalence of black MCs, characters & culture in inner city UF stories as in life? #UFchat
10:41 pm wildbloom: We might see more diversity as more people get published w/Kindle etc. #UFChat
10:41 pm UF_Chat: Q5b: Quick survey shows more Native American MCs than black to date, tho both are still rare. Why more Native Americans than blacks? #UFchat
10:41 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Q5: Kingmaker is a case in point. #UFchat
10:41 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Yeah, I don’t agree either (Gimme older!) but I’ve read that’s “what people want”. #ufchat
10:42 pm annikkawoods: @AnassaRh True. There’s that aspect of it too. I’d be kind of scared to write someone from Russia or China. No friends from there. #ufchat
10:42 pm Faithful_Shadow: #UFchat Maybe because black MCs are expected to conform to the usual excepted black stereotype.
10:42 pm MarciSischo: A5a — I’ve noticed that w/ Dresden Files. It’s in Chicago.There should be more minorities, esp. Blacks, Asians, but there’s v. few. #UFChat
10:42 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat because NA are already associated w/shamanism & mysticism in the US, and ‘noble red man’ is another well established trope #ufchat
10:42 pm UF_Chat: Wow – only 20 mins to go and still a ton of questions – will ask near end if people want to explore this topic more next week. #UFchat
10:43 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat A5b Native Americans more romanticised than black people #UFchat
10:43 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat I can say that I have a Native American b/c I loved the idea of a woman cursed by Raven. I know more abt them than blacks. #ufchat
10:43 pm UF_Chat: @Faithful_Shadow That’s a good point! #UFchat
10:43 pm Cher_Dawn: #UFchat Is urban fantasy written by white authors mostly? Was the Vampire Huntress series written by a black author?
10:43 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @annikkawoods Research, anything can be solved with enough research. #ufchat
10:43 pm AnassaRh: A5b: Because Native myths are more diverse and interesting to play with than African-American ones? African itself, another matter. #ufchat
10:44 pm MarciSischo: Black/White race issues are extra touchy right now, too. Mostly white writers in UF, prob worried about tackling it. #UFChat
10:44 pm annikkawoods: @Cher_Dawn UF, as far as I can tell, is written mainly by whites. Then again, look @ fiction in general. White authors. #ufchat
10:44 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Interesting. Also wondering if inherently spiritual respect of Native Amer. culture fits more easily. (worms!) #UFchat
10:44 pm J_GriffinB: @AnassaRh No, because we are ignorant of most African myths. We have some good hybrids, Serpent and the Rainbow. The Believers. #ufchat
10:44 pm annikkawoods: @Ben_Aaronovitch Yes, but researching is WORK. (LOL It’s also my fav part of writing something new.) #ufchat
10:45 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Definitely up for more of the same next week! #ufchat
10:45 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo Odd that in the day of a Black president in US – no matter how you feel about it – the issues still so extreme. 😦 #UFchat
10:45 pm UF_Chat: Q6: What about other races? Would changing the MCs race change the nature of world or creatures? #UFchat Why? (For both yes & no answers)
10:45 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat — Me too! #UFChat
10:46 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @J_GriffinB You can get good books on Ifa, Condomble and Santeria these days #ufchat
10:46 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat I’ll be late (work 7:30a-4p next Saturday) but I’m up for more of this next week too. #ufchat
10:46 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Obama polarized the white/black issue more than healed it, though.Sadly.:(Racists came out of woodwork when he was elected. #UFChat
10:46 pm UF_Chat: Q6a: What other ?different-heritaged? MCs feature in UF? #UFchat
10:47 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @annikkawoods I love research #ufchat
10:47 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Personally, I don’t think it would change it. It might change the world a little, in the perception of the world by the MC. #ufchat
10:47 pm UF_Chat: Q6b: How important is racial heritage in UF? Why? #UFchat
10:47 pm J_GriffinB: @Ben_Aaronovitch Yes, but unlike going to your local church, it’s a bit hard to get a personal experience of, say the gris-gris. #ufchat
10:47 pm UF_Chat: Q6c: What racially different MCs would you like to see and WHY? (Not diff for different sake..) #UFchat
10:48 pm MarciSischo: A6b — that would depend on the story, I’d think. #UFChat
10:48 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat That would depend on the heritage of the magic that impinges on the world. #ufchat
10:48 pm simonm223: A6B less important than in reality. #ufchat
10:48 pm AnassaRh: Q6: Changing race wouldn’t change world. Can have Japanese woman going against European monsters, if setting’s appropriate. #ufchat
10:48 pm Cher_Dawn: #UFchat Some things go together. Irish/scot fae, Native American shapeshifters, wendigo, Anyone read about american fairies?
10:48 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @J_GriffinB Look for personal accounts by believers (Brazil is good for this) #ufchat
10:48 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat For Sal & Jae, their varying cultures completely color how they look on the non-human aspects of the world. #ufchat
10:48 pm UF_Chat: @annikkawoods I think it would depend on your upbringing too – no matter what your heritage – as well as how you see your own. #UFchat
10:48 pm wildbloom: Q6b: I think MCs background, what makes him/her tick is more important than race. Decisions are what makes plot turn, not skin color #UFChat
10:48 pm AnassaRh: A6: The perspective of the world would be affected, though, because of the character’s background. #ufchat
10:49 pm J_GriffinB: @Ben_Aaronovitch Again, the smell of blood, cigar smoke, body odor and rum a different experience than reading about it. #ufchat
10:49 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat A6b Heritage is important (sort of) to my MC #UFchat
10:49 pm AnassaRh: A6: And it’s certainly easier to write non-European monsters/setting with a non-European MC. More PC too. #ufchat
10:49 pm UF_Chat: @Cher_Dawn Of course! They’re rarely called ‘fairies’ though. Think we get tripped up on terminology so we end up ‘importing’ a lot. #UFchat
10:49 pm cindymariej: Can someone pls write this? @AnassaRh: Can have Japanese woman going against European monsters, if setting’s appropriate. #ufchat
10:50 pm UF_Chat: @wildbloom Yes – ultimately it needs to be a personal story doesn’t it? Not a ‘typified response’. #UFchat
10:50 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat *nods* That’s true too. A lot of how you see the world is changed by how you were raised, your culture/heritage. #ufchat
10:50 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @J_GriffinB Sounds like Christmas dinner to me #ufchat
10:50 pm MarciSischo: YES PLEASE. πŸ˜€ RT @cindymariej: Can someone pls write this? @AnassaRh: Can have Japanese woman going against European monsters… #UFChat
10:50 pm annikkawoods: @cindymariej Writing something similar, though I change the monsters to suit my world. #ufchat
10:50 pm Cher_Dawn: @UF_Chat #UFchat Exactly.
10:50 pm MarciSischo: @cindymariej I would read the hell out of that story. πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:51 pm inkgypsy: RT @cindymariej: Can someone pls write this? @AnassaRh: Can have Japanese woman going against European monsters, if setting’s appropriate. #ufchat
10:51 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @annikkawoods Thnicity =/ race – important to remember #ufchat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: S: In early UF Buffy was ?cheerleader-blonde? & white (typical-till-then victim) yet most UF has darker haired (or ginger+) fem MCs. #UFchat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: (Yes – changing focus from race – finally) #UFchat
10:51 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo @cindymarij I’m hunting for more European monsters. The gaki & changelings are so boring. LOL #ufchat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: Q7: Why has there been a distinct lack of ?specifically blonde? lead females in UF? #UFchat
10:51 pm AnassaRh: A6b: We need more ppl of other heritages, so that’s important to have. But having MC who thinks race important? Depends on their BG. #ufchat
10:52 pm annikkawoods: @Ben_Aaronovitch Ah, but ethnicity does tie into race. #ufchat
10:52 pm AnassaRh: A6b: I can easily imagine character who doesn’t think their heritage is special, esp. in a global world. #ufchat
10:52 pm Cher_Dawn: @UF_Chat #UFchat Buffy also had two black and one chinese slayer too.
10:52 pm J_GriffinB: @AnassaRh Anyone read Princess of Wands, by John Ringo? #ufchat
10:52 pm UF_Chat: Q7a: Since Buffy did away with typical blonde female victim type ? who is the typical victim (especially in UF) now? Is there one? #UFchat
10:53 pm MarciSischo: A7 — Blonde heroines? How cliche! Make her redheaded. That’s totally new. (Says the gal writing a redheaded MC.) #UFChat
10:53 pm AnassaRh: A6b: But I think that non-whites would have a sense of heritage/race, if only because they’re minority and marginalized. #ufchat
10:53 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @annikkawoods The russians have some good ones #ufchat
10:53 pm AnassaRh: RT @cindymariej: Can someone pls write this? @AnassaRh: Can have Japanese woman going against European monsters, if setting’s appropriate. #ufchat
10:53 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @annikkawoods Yes but African-American =/Haitian =/LOndon Black #ufchat
10:54 pm J_GriffinB: @Ben_Aaronovitch Baba Yaga scares shit out of me, but then most russian women do. #ufchat
10:54 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch ADORE Russian monsters/creatures etc. Rusalka story please! πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:54 pm AnassaRh: A6c: Would love to see non-Western European, non-American settings, so any MC that would be in those areas? #ufchat
10:55 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch And Baba Yaga is an eternal fave – we even have an Easter tradition based on her in our house (no I’m not Russian) #UFchat
10:55 pm MarciSischo: @Ben_Aaronovich: Long-time WoD player here. Just mentioning Baba Yaga makes me pee a little. πŸ˜‰ #UFChat
10:55 pm UF_Chat: Did the blonde question stump people? Curious… #UFchat
10:55 pm cindymariej: RT @UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch ADORE Russian monsters/creatures etc. Rusalka story please! πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:56 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat There’s a guy who climbs on your back and makes you drink – genius #UFchat
10:56 pm J_GriffinB: The reason I ask about Wands is that his MC is a Catholic, and has to overcome stigma in organization that is mostly pagan. #ufchat
10:56 pm MarciSischo: RT @MarciSischo: A7 — Blonde heroines? How cliche! Make her redheaded. Thats totally new. (Says the gal writing a redheaded MC.) #UFChat
10:56 pm Cher_Dawn: @MarciSischo #UFchat lol Note to Self: Look up Baba Yaga’s bad self.
10:56 pm UF_Chat: @MarciSischo LOL – one of best things about her is she’s damn scary – but also has benevolent side we rarely see – unpredictable! #UFchat
10:56 pm annikkawoods: @Ben_Aaronovitch Another good point, and again, I’m rightfully corrected. πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:57 pm AnassaRh: Stumped me? RT @UF_Chat: Did the blonde question stump people? Curious… #UFchat
10:57 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo You too? *shudder* WoD was my fav rp world to play in back when I still played. Nobody around to play w/these days. #ufchat
10:57 pm J_GriffinB: Ahem, I mentioned the baba yaga, @benaaronovitch just has the rus chops to pull it off. #ufchat
10:57 pm MarciSischo: @Cher_Dawn in Vampire: the Masquerade she was an ancient scary Nosferatu. Like, OMG scary ancient. πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:57 pm Cher_Dawn: @UF_Chat #UFchat Who’s the typical victim? I guess the thing there is that anyone & everyone is vulnerable and might be a victim. None safe.
10:57 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Blondes are still the victims, but now it’s ANY tiny, “defenseless” female – or the bookish, “defenseless” males #ufchat
10:57 pm UF_Chat: @AnassaRh Funny – because UF started taking the typical victim & empowering her but now she rarely appears.. #UFchat
10:57 pm MarciSischo: @annikkawoods Same thing here. I ❀ WoD. Liked the newer Requiem a lot, too. #UFChat
10:58 pm UF_Chat: S: Quick look at the many white MCs still shows specific ?type?. No geeks, no career-minded students, no young parents etc. #UFchat
10:58 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat I don’t remember Blond women being particularly victimised pre-Buffy #UFchat
10:58 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Thank you! πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:58 pm Cher_Dawn: @MarciSischo #UFchat Oh. ewwwwwwwwwwww That would make me pee myself a little too!
10:58 pm UF_Chat: Q8: Why is this ?type? so pervasive in UF? (Different to the hot question – not just about sex this time) #UFchat
10:58 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo Blech. Hated Requiem. I liked 2nd ed, but played primarily 3rd ed WoD #ufchat
10:58 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @J_GriffinB Via the East End #ufchat
10:58 pm J_GriffinB: @Ben_Aaronovitch Except in film, where they usually had to run topless for a few breathless minutes before gettin’ the chop. #ufchat
10:59 pm MarciSischo: @annikkawoods I liked that they got rid of all the garbage canon. Made it easier to make your own stories. #UFChat
10:59 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Typical horror movie victim (also comic books) = blonde screaming high school girl needing rescuing #UFchat
10:59 pm J_GriffinB: @Ben_Aaronovitch I was profiling based on your last name. #ufchat
10:59 pm MarciSischo: @annikkawoods Also, I LOVED the new Nos discipline. What was it called? Nightmare? Awesome. #UFChat
10:59 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo I’ll give you that, but I’m the Storyteller who threw canon out the window. LOL #ufchat
10:59 pm Cher_Dawn: @Ben_Aaronovitch #UFchat In the horror movies, it’s always the buxom blonde that gets it first.
10:59 pm UF_Chat: Q9: Many #UFchat participants have expressed want of ?geek? hero (aka ?brain power hero?). Why have there been none to date? #UFchat
10:59 pm AnassaRh: @UF_Chat I think @Cher_Dawn might have a point about victims. Nobody’s more “victimized” than others these days? except ethnicities? #ufchat
11:00 pm wildbloom: Q8: The only type that seems pervasive to me right now are the amazonian, badass chicks with unrealistic super powers. #UFChat
11:00 pm Cher_Dawn: @UF_Chat #UFchat You owe me a coke!
11:00 pm annikkawoods: @MarciSischo I think it was called Nightmare. You & I should talk more. LMAO #ufchat
11:00 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @J_GriffinB Actually from Vilnius in 1900 —-> London #ufchat
11:00 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat B/c geeks die fast in UF. #ufchat
11:00 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat we’re circling back to halitosis and flabby abs… #ufchat
11:00 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat I never liked slasher movies #UFchat
11:01 pm annikkawoods: RT @wildbloom: The only type that seems pervasive to me right now are the amazonian, badass chicks with unrealistic super powers. #ufchat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: Hm – out of time & we have a ton of questions to go. Anyone interested in continuing next week? We talk geeks, MacGyvers, humans.. #UFchat
11:01 pm MarciSischo: A9 — I think ’cause MC slot usually gets taken by some supernatural badass. I love Gail Carriger’s Alexia for brainpower. #UFChat
11:01 pm AnassaRh: Q8: The “type” is freer, able to do more. Parents and students are tied down. Geeks don’t get out much? #ufchat
11:01 pm annikkawoods: @Ben_Aaronovitch @UF_Chat I don’t do slasher films either. Stupid, annoying, & predictable. #ufchat
11:01 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat I’m totally up for more of this topic next week. #UFChat
11:01 pm Cher_Dawn: @Ben_Aaronovitch #UFchat Old black and white Bela Lugosi and Chris Lee…it’s always a blonde.
11:01 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Me neither. Think being blond didn’t help. Always considered stupid enough to walk into ‘that’ place & die. LOL #UFchat
11:02 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat I’m up for an extension next week #UFchat
11:02 pm AnassaRh: A8: If you’ve got a young, single, party gal, she’ll go more places, do more stuff. So if writing a series, like most UF is? #ufchat
11:02 pm wildbloom: @UF_Chat Up for it next week! Great topic and questions. #UFChat
11:02 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat YES YES YES YES YES! LOL I’ll be late but I’ll be here. πŸ™‚ #ufchat
11:03 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @annikkawoods Plus scarey and gory… (wimp) #ufchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: Shall I ask the 9a and 9b questions just to finish today then? Then we’ll continue on broad topic next week? #UFchat
11:03 pm J_GriffinB: @annikkawoods Now they’ve done away with the slashers altogether. We just keep everyone in a room and torture them. #ufchat
11:03 pm AnassaRh: Q9: I think to date there’s been a perception that UF readers want action stories, sex, and gore. Brainiacs won’t provide that. #ufchat
11:03 pm MarciSischo: @UF_Chat Sure! #UFChat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: Ok 9a and 9b then we’ll rejoin next week on same topic… πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:03 pm annikkawoods: @Ben_Aaronovitch LOL I’m a wimp myself. Don’t like that kind of crap at all. #ufchat
11:03 pm AnassaRh: Q9: But based on #ufchat discussions, I’d say that perception’s about to change.
11:03 pm UF_Chat: S: Consider Giles from Buffy series ? brain power, normal human w supernatural savvy/exposure & also badass past & possibilities. #UFchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: Q9a: As example, there have been a few attempts to make a TV spin-off series based on Giles but no go. Why not? #UFchat
11:04 pm annikkawoods: @J_GriffinB That’s true. And I like those even less. Not a huge gore fan. #ufchat
11:04 pm AnassaRh: Definitely up for more minorities next week! #ufchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: S: Also been interest here in a MacGyver-type hero ? uses quick thinking/brain smarts & practical know-how to survive/win. #UFchat
11:04 pm Cher_Dawn: @UF_Chat #UFchat mmm Giles.
11:04 pm UF_Chat: Q9b: Are there any MacGyver heroes/heroines out there in UF you can think of? Why is genre not full of this type? #UFchat
11:05 pm MarciSischo: A9a — For TV? Too old. No normative sex appeal. #UFChat
11:05 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat I think people, in general, want the “badass” over the “brainy”. They want brawns over thinking power. #ufchat
11:05 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Brains got nothing on six pack abs and pouty lips, unless they are attached to massive…income. #ufchat
11:05 pm MarciSischo: Q9b: Wondered that, myself. I’d love to read that. #UFChat
11:06 pm AnassaRh: A9a: I’m totally blaming Hollywood for that one. They want more of the same, and kill slow, thinking shows more often than not. #ufchat
11:06 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Dresden has a touch of the MacGyvers. #UFchat
11:06 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat ❀ MacGyver, but you’re right. Don’t see too many of that type of hero in UF. Or anywhere else, for that matter. #ufchat
11:06 pm wildbloom: I don’t mind badass as long as that’s not all the MC is made of. Or all the story revolves around. Which seems trendy today. #UFChat
11:06 pm MarciSischo: A lot of the reason why I like Supernatural. Mostly, normal humans kicking lots of supernatural ass. #UFChat
11:06 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Thanks everyone for a great chat… see you next week #UFchat
11:06 pm J_GriffinB: @UF_Chat Once world has been around long enough, there might be room for a MacG approach, but the ‘verse has to have been shared1/2 #ufchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Agree – one of reasons he appeals to me – not all about the magic mojo. He survives even when magic fails him. #UFchat
11:07 pm J_GriffinB: long enough for the macG’s macguyvering to work in an understandable way… #ufchat
11:07 pm annikkawoods: RT @wildbloom: I dont mind badass as long as not all the MC is made of.Or all the story revolves around.Which seems trendy today. #ufchat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: That?s a wrap for #UFchat today! Next week Minorities cont then it will be all about Monsters & our fave UF holiday Halloween! #UFchat
11:07 pm AnassaRh: Q9b: Only answer I can give for this one is “because”. #ufchat
11:07 pm AnassaRh: Oooh yes! RT @MarciSischo: A lot of the reason why I like Supernatural. Mostly, normal humans kicking lots of supernatural ass. #UFChat
11:07 pm Cher_Dawn: @UF_Chat #UFchat I liked Dresden too. Was that a book too?
11:07 pm UF_Chat: Got a topic you want to chat about? Let me know! (@inkgypsy) I?ll add it to the list & maybe even bump up the chat-date for it. ? #UFchat
11:07 pm miranda00writes: That was fun! Look forward to next week. . . #UFchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: Some additional resources on minorities & the other missing persons of UF for writers & readers in next few tweets: #UFchat
11:08 pm Cher_Dawn: @AnassaRh #UFchat I just started watching that series. very good.
11:08 pm UF_Chat: Why is Urban Fantasy so ?White?? http://bit.ly/abzhHc #UFchat
11:08 pm annikkawoods: Definitely looking fwd to next week. #ufchat
11:08 pm wildbloom: See you all next time! πŸ™‚ #UFChat
11:08 pm MarciSischo: Great chat! πŸ˜€ I’ll definitely be here next week! #UFChat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: Diverse Paranormal Romance and Urban Fantasy ? Book Recs http://bit.ly/d4eiOv #UFchat
11:09 pm J_GriffinB: Back to editations. #ufchat
11:09 pm MarciSischo: @AnassaRh I love Supernatural. Season 5 was a bit lame, but otherwise, it’s great. Also, funny. #UFChat
11:09 pm Cher_Dawn: @UF_Chat #UFchat You’ll save the chat?
11:09 pm UF_Chat: Badass Normal Protagonists (in Urban Fantasy) http://bit.ly/96yIHK (Spacebattles.com forum discussion) #UFchat
11:09 pm MarciSischo: And now, back to writing, folks. Good chatting with you all! #UFChat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: I’ll save a couple of resources to add to next weeks Minorities Part 2 chat as they’re more pertinent to those Q’s. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:10 pm AnassaRh: By the way, if anyone knows Chinese/Chinese-heritage UF readers or writers who’d like to critique a manuscript, let me know, please! #ufchat
11:11 pm J_GriffinB: And very glad of your return, @inkgypsy. #ufchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: @Cher_Dawn Yep – transcript will be up in ~ 36 hours-allowing for people to add late comments using hashtag that will get included. #UFchat
11:12 pm AnassaRh: @MarciSischo I liked the Season 5 season arc, but thought the episodes themselves were iffy. Love the humor overall! #ufchat
11:12 pm UF_Chat: @J_GriffinB Thank you! (Being without internet at home is HARD! LOL) #UFchat
11:13 pm inkgypsy: RT @AnassaRh: By the way, if anyone knows Chinese/Chinese-heritage UF readers or writers who’d like to critique a manuscript, let me know, please! #ufchat
11:14 pm inkgypsy: @Cher_Dawn Dresden Files is up to book 11? (I’ve lost count – look up Wikipedia) If you liked TV series you’ll LOVE the books! #UFchat
11:15 pm UF_Chat: @Cher_Dawn You started watching Supernatural? I have yet to – need to find season 1! (I hate starting mid-series) #UFchat
11:15 pm UF_Chat: @UF_Chat lights out. πŸ˜‰ Transcript available on the #UFchat blog in 36hrs-ish, allowing for late comments. Just use the hashtag. #UFchat
11:16 pm GargoylePhan: RT @AnassaRh: By the way, if anyone knows Chinese/Chinese-heritage UF readers or writers who’d like to critique a manuscript, let me know, please! #ufchat
11:16 pm UF_Chat: Scooping up worms, stuffing them back into their cans until next week. πŸ™‚ #UFchat boots being traded for my usual stomping pair. #UFchat
11:22 pm annikkawoods: #UFChat was fun, but now off to do some stuff w/the #wip. #amwriting #amediting #amrewriting
11:37 pm inkgypsy: @leapetra Missed you in #UFchat today! (I got reconnected just in time to run it but not to let people know before today)
11:43 pm inkgypsy: @evangelineh Sounds like an interesting topic for a #UFchat – may I borrow for possible future discussion?
October 17, 2010
1:00 am inkgypsy: #UFchat RT @evangelineh: I wonder who wld win in an urban fantasy heroine showdown? Rachel? Sookie? Maxine? Anita? Mercy?
1:09 am inkgypsy: #UFchat RT @Suzanne_Johnson: Fascinating discussion of #urban fantasy by Daniel Abraham–good stuff: http://bit.ly/cOMDHh
3:00 am talechasing: do you know an author who writes #speculativefiction of any kind? point them at http://www.specficdb.com – #scifi #ufchat #uf # horror (plz rt)
3:00 am giftedreader: do you know an author who writes #speculativefiction of any kind? point them at http://www.specficdb.com – #scifi #ufchat #uf # horror (plz rt)
3:00 am specficdb: do you know an author who writes #speculativefiction of any kind? point them at http://www.specficdb.com – #scifi #ufchat #uf # horror (plz rt)
5:44 am VilniusRT: @J_GriffinB Actually from Vilnius in 1900 —-> London #ufchat http://bit.ly/bGV3Y4
6:11 am J_GriffinB: #ufchat and since I mentioned halitosis in a couple tweets, I have a bot trying to sell me good mouth smells.
October 18, 2010
12:27 am jimnduncan: Ok, #ufchat folk. Post up to gather up some more rec’s to add to my tbr pile. Give me some options! http://www.jnduncan.wordpress.com
12:30 am jimnduncan: Sorry I missed #ufchat this week. I didn’t realize until today that it was going on.
10:17 pm oldhauntsauthor: A post on anti-heroes for my #ufchat people! http://bit.ly/cfyGtl
10:47 pm inkgypsy: In time for Halloween: Zombie Fairy Tales – collected as book. Download 99c or free read on Jill Myles website! http://bit.ly/cTpV4v #UFchat
10:56 pm inkgypsy: The Dark Heroes of Urban Fantasy – xlnt! RT @oldhauntsauthor: A post on anti-heroes for my #ufchat people! http://bit.ly/cfyGtl
10:58 pm AnassaRh: RT @inkgypsy: The Dark Heroes of Urban Fantasy – xlnt! RT @oldhauntsauthor: A post on anti-heroes for my #ufchat people! http://bit.ly/cfyGtl
October 19, 2010
12:08 am ShennandoahDiaz: RT @inkgypsy: The Dark Heroes of Urban Fantasy – xlnt! RT @oldhauntsauthor: A post on anti-heroes for my #ufchat people! http://bit.ly/cfyGtl
12:43 am inkgypsy: @jimnduncan No worries re missing #UFchat – I got up and running at 3am Saturday morning so barely any time to let people know. 😦

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END OF TRANSCRIPT FOR OCTOBER 16th, 2010

Next week we continue with PART TWO of Minorities & Other Missing Persons of UF (including Plain vanilla humans!), after which we will focus on Monsters in Urban Fantasy & Halloween (our favorite holiday! Right? πŸ˜‰Β  :D

Feel free to add thoughts and resources during the week as you think them or find them – just use the #UFchat hashtag so I can find them and add them to the discussion & transcript.

Stay tuned to @UF_Chat on Twitter for countdown’s and updates.

See you next week!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)