#UFchat – chat for urban fantasy writers

Transcript for September 4, 2010: Roasting the UF Genre – Pet Peeves & Wish Lists (Round 2)

Continued from the popular and very busy chat last week – Part II of Roasting the UF Genre (and what we want to see in the future)

Once again, writers especially will find this one a useful resource. :)

TODAY’S TOPIC: Roasting the UF –Genre The Good, the Bad & the Untapped: Urban Fantasy Pet Peeves & Wish Lists

7:00 pm UF_Chat: Today in #UFchat we continue to roast the UF genre till it’s nice & tasty! Got pet peeves? Bring along to pepper up our chat! 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:00 pm inkgypsy: Today in #UFchat we continue to roast the UF genre till it’s nice & tasty! Got pet peeves? Bring along to pepper up our chat! 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:00 pm rcmurphy: RT @UF_Chat: Today in #UFchat we continue to roast the UF genre till it’s nice & tasty! Got pet peeves? Bring along to pepper up our chat! 3pmPST/6pmEST
7:39 pm Daylilie222: RT @inkgypsy: Today in #UFchat we continue to roast the UF genre till it’s nice & tasty! Got pet peeves? Bring along to pepper up our chat! 3pmPST/6pmEST
8:00 pm UF_Chat: 2 hrs till we get out our goggles & dissecting forks again in #UFchat today! Pet peeves at 3pm PST/6pmEST Getting to the meaty parts today!
8:00 pm inkgypsy: 2 hrs till we get out our goggles & dissecting forks again in #UFchat today! Pet peeves at 3pm PST/6pmEST Getting to the meaty parts today!
8:04 pm SallyJCollins: …2 hrs till we get out our goggles & dissecting forks again in #UFchat today! Pet peeves at 3pm PST/6pmEST Getting to the meaty par…
8:05 pm Amanahl: …..2 hrs till we get out our goggles & dissecting forks again in #UFchat today! Pet peeves at 3pm PST/6pmEST Getting to the meaty p…
8:13 pm inkgypsy: @Daylilie222 Just seeing your email, no emailS, (LOL) I’ll have to look again properly after #UFchat is over and get back to you then on it.
9:00 pm UF_Chat: 1 hour till #UFchat! Bring your roasting forks (or sporks) – we’re digging into UF genre pet peeves – the meaty ones today! 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:00 pm inkgypsy: 1 hour till #UFchat! Bring your roasting forks (or sporks) – we’re digging into UF genre pet peeves – the meaty ones today! 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:00 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @UF_Chat: 1 hour till #UFchat! Bring your roasting forks (or sporks) – we’re digging into UF genre pet peeves – the meaty ones today! 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:09 pm QQwill: RT @UF_Chat: 1 hour till #UFchat! Bring your roasting forks (or sporks) – we’re digging into UF genre pet peeves – the meaty ones today! 3pm PST/6pm EST
9:30 pm UF_Chat: 30 min countdown to #UFchat! Get ready to storm the customer complaint window for the UF genre (battering rams & axes welcome) 3pmPST/6pmEST
9:30 pm inkgypsy: 30 min countdown to #UFchat! Get ready to storm the customer complaint window for the UF genre (battering rams & axes welcome) 3pmPST/6pmEST
9:32 pm editorialdept: RT @inkgypsy: 30 min to #UFchat! Get ready to storm the customer complaint window for the UF genre (battering rams & axes welcome) 6pmEST
9:43 pm inkgypsy: @ShadowPhoenix32 Come to #UFchat today – starts in 15-ish mins at 3pm PST – lots of advice for UF writers! (or @ me afterward & I’ll help)
9:45 pm UF_Chat: 15 minutes till #UFchat! Time to get my boots on. Need gloves & goggles today too – it might get messy tearing apart the UF genre. 3pmPST
9:45 pm inkgypsy: 15 minutes till #UFchat! Time to get my boots on. Need gloves & goggles today too – it might get messy tearing apart the UF genre. 3pmPST
9:46 pm leapetra: RT @UF_Chat: 15 minutes till #UFchat! Time to get my boots on. Need gloves & goggles today too 3pmPST
9:51 pm tasmin21: RT @UF_Chat: 15 minutes till #UFchat! Time to get my boots on. Need gloves & goggles today too – it might get messy tearing apart the UF genre. 3pmPST
9:55 pm inkgypsy: Switching identities to the #UFchat mod. Boots? Check. Gloves? Check. Goggles? Check. Think I might need a helmet too…
9:56 pm miranda00writes: RT @inkgypsy: 15 minutes till #UFchat! Time to get my boots on. Need gloves & goggles today too – it might get messy tearing apart the UF genre. 3pmPST
9:57 pm UF_Chat: Primer for #UFchat early birds: pls take a look at article When Things Go Wrong by Carrie Vaughan http://bit.ly/aKOvKb #ufchat
9:58 pm UF_Chat: It?s goggles & pointy-weapons again today in #UFchat! We?re scrutinizing clichés, poking standards & pushing boundaries. Come armed. 2 mins!
9:58 pm inkgypsy: It?s goggles & pointy-weapons again today in #UFchat! We?re scrutinizing clichés, poking standards & pushing boundaries. Come armed. 2 mins!
10:00 pm UF_Chat: 3, 2… we are now live in #UFchat! What do U love, what are U sick of, what do U want more of? Pet Peeves & Wish Lists Round 2! #ufchat
10:00 pm UF_Chat: 1st ? giant congrats to @Cameron_Haley for the release of her debut UF novel Mob Rules! Set in LA & totally juiced! Go buy! #ufchat
10:00 pm UF_Chat: 2nd ? did anybody blog on this topic this last week? If so please tweet link now ? or feel free to add it at the end for resources. #ufchat
10:01 pm VampBookClub: RT @inkgypsy: It?s goggles & pointy-weapons again today in #UFchat! We?re scrutinizing clichés, poking standards & pushing boundaries. Come armed. 2 mins!
10:01 pm tasmin21: Hola, folk! #UFChat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: TODAY?S TOPIC: Round 2 of: UF – The Good, the Bad & the Untapped: Urban Fantasy Pet Peeves & Wish Lists #ufchat
10:01 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat new pet peeve, noticed this week. less scantly clad females. Just the right eye. only the right eye on the cover #ufchat
10:01 pm elizabethkarr: I’m here. Hi Everyone. Made discovery this week. #chicklit writer Kinsella wrote #UF.THE TWENTIES has paranormal char. #whodathunkit #UFchat
10:02 pm tasmin21: *eyes own cover* Well…that’s his right eye… Hmm… #UFChat
10:02 pm pauljessup: #ufchat pet peeve- one female character, the rest all male. Why not more than one or two strong women?
10:03 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat also had a great conversation in a yahoo group about UF #ufchat
10:03 pm leapetra: @tasmin21 it was spooky, checking in books at work, 7 titles all of them had right eyes staring at me. #ufchat
10:03 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr Yep -UF (accord. to research) started in 20’s – I bet it goes back further though, really. Think Queen Boudicca (SP?) #ufchat
10:03 pm elizabethkarr: #chicklit is guilty pleasure 4 books on CD in LA traffic. @pauljessup Kinsella has 2 strong female chars in THE TWENTIES #UFchat
10:03 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat It is done and turned in. Waiting on edit letter. Working on outline for Book 3. 😉 #UFChat
10:04 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Ooh – details please! (summarized of course) #ufchat
10:04 pm dystophil: Hi everyone! Dropping in for the first time this week. #ufchat
10:04 pm leapetra: @pauljessup conventional thinking two strong women, end up in cat fights. #ufchat
10:04 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr Hang on – did you mean age or 1920’s? LOL #ufchat
10:04 pm tasmin21: @dystophil Heya, Dys! #UFChat
10:04 pm _morganives: @UF_Chat Newbie lurker on #ufchat *waves*
10:05 pm UF_Chat: @dystophil Welcome! Looking at pet peeves & what we want more of in UF this week (part II) #ufchat
10:05 pm elizabethkarr: @UF_Chat post coming. neither–the title is THE TWENTIES #UFchat
10:05 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat its a Fred Saberhagan group. Lucky enough to have his widow as a member, she was curious. I mentioned this chat. #ufchat
10:05 pm elizabethkarr: thought it was sign of the times that traditional #chicklit genre pushing envelope into paranormal and #UF #UFchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: Pet peeve – covers that show women when a man is the MC – misrepresentation. #ufchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr Excellent! Please link me or tweet & use the hashtag when done? #ufchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: As per last week we know urban fantasy has evolved. Let?s consider the UF genre as it is ?now? mid-2010. #ufchat
10:07 pm UF_Chat: To warm us up ? esp. for people who weren?t here last week ? the UF genre customer complaints window is open! Bring it on. ? #ufchat
10:07 pm UF_Chat: S: Urban fantasy has a lot of variety & draws a lot of diff. reader (& writer!) types. Covered covers, images, blurbs etc last week. #ufchat
10:07 pm UF_Chat: S: This week we get to the nice meaty part of the genre ? the characters, themes, places & stories. #ufchat
10:07 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat I write a nasty book. And they want a girly cover on it | Lionel Shriver http://gu.com/p/2jdfk/tw <example #ufchat
10:08 pm dystophil: pet peeve – way too many UF books with female MCs sliding into paranormal romance. Female MC doesn’t mean it’s all about romance #ufchat
10:08 pm UF_Chat: S: We left off starting to talk about the kick-ass girls and boys. Let?s revisit as the next questions are based on those. #ufchat
10:09 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra I’m hearing that a lot from authors – guess is trying to snag the Ro readers whop are xlnt buyers but yikes. #ufchat
10:09 pm UF_Chat: S: BTW I?ll keep the Question numbers continuing from last week in case anyone wants to compile them. #ufchat
10:09 pm elizabethkarr: @dystophil agree-many & varied are adventures that UF heroines can have other than romance. #UFchat
10:09 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat I agree that too many “kick-ass” girls are really just bullies and overly aggressive. A strong woman isn’t either of those. #UFChat
10:09 pm UF_Chat: Q4: The kick-ass girls/women: what?s to love? What?s the ugly? What needs a revisit? What would you like to see? #ufchat
10:10 pm tasmin21: I want to see a woman who is secure in herself, and doesn’t need a love interest to define her or make her “complete”. #UFChat
10:10 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat I like kick ass women, but how many are Buffy clones? can we get some different archetypes. #ufchat
10:10 pm elizabethkarr: @UF_Chat I’m hearing that a lot from authors – guess is trying to snag the Ro readers whop are xlnt buyers but yikes <Good guess. 🙂 #UFchat
10:10 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 Yes – want to have chat re what tough and alpha really mean. Seeing controlling guys instead of true ‘alphas’ Ditto girls #ufchat
10:10 pm dystophil: @elizabethkarr yes, just getting really tired of the super-hot, sexy UF heroine whose plot is basically pure romance #ufchat
10:10 pm VampBookClub: RT @tasmin21: I want to see a woman who is secure in herself, and doesnt need a love interest to define her or make her “complete”. #ufchat
10:11 pm thedaisyharris: Hi guys! #UFchat
10:11 pm Patti_OShea: The thing that gets wearing for me is when the heroine is angry from beginning to end of the book. You don’t have 2B angry 2B tough #ufchat
10:11 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 Or someone at least settled in that department – what about a mature relationship? (thanks for writing one BTW!) #ufchat
10:11 pm elizabethkarr: @tasmin21 different genre, but Sue Grafton w/ Kinsey Millhone heroine is definitive writer on interesting heroine NOT defined by rom #UFchat
10:12 pm thedaisyharris: I sometimes dislike when tough heroines are mean to heroes for no good reason. #UFchat
10:12 pm tasmin21: @Patti_OShea Totally agree there. #UFChat
10:12 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat Too many times the kick-ass girls are written without true flaws. Makes it difficult to feel for them. #UFChat
10:12 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Yes! Exactly! Anger, aggression does not equal tough. Sometimes insecure, sometimes just anti-social/bad manners #ufchat
10:12 pm leapetra: @Patti_OShea that is so true, #ufchat
10:12 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat Exactly. Jesse’s got the whole domestic thing going. Don’t have to be a bad boy to be tough. #UFChat
10:12 pm editorialdept: I’m sick of the tough heroines who have inherent gifts. Few work their way up or build skills – they’re just naturally gifted/chosen #ufchat
10:13 pm UF_Chat: Now the boys – Q4a: The kick-ass bad-boys & the alpha males: Love? Hate? What would make them fresh? #ufchat
10:13 pm elizabethkarr: @HC_Palmquist Right on! Flaws can make char ‘loveable’ and relateable. #UFchat
10:13 pm leapetra: There are some great female characters out there that are not angry. (thinking Pratchett again, but all his females are amazing) #ufchat
10:13 pm miranda00writes: I don’t mind a character with insecurities, so long as a man isn’t “the” cure. #UFchat
10:13 pm pauljessup: @VampBookClub #ufchat -> http://goo.gl/WfX6
10:13 pm thedaisyharris: @UF_Chat I’m all about beta heroes, heroes who are virgins, or geeky, or socially inept. #UFchat
10:14 pm pauljessup: RT @Patti_OShea: The thing that gets wearing for me is when the heroine is angry from beginning to end of the book. You don’t have 2B angry 2B tough #ufchat
10:14 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat there are different types of “alpha males” it seems it’s brains or brawn never a nice mix. #ufchat
10:14 pm elizabethkarr: RT @miranda00writes: I dont mind a character with insecurities, so long as a man isnt “the” cure. #UFchat
10:14 pm thedaisyharris: @elizabethkarr Chars definitely need flaws! #UFchat
10:14 pm tasmin21: @miranda00writes I’ll second that in reverse. Too many “rebels” just need a good woman to tame them? Please. #UFChat
10:14 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept I have issues with predestined MCs – no matter what they do they’ll ‘win’/conquer (essentially become princess) #ufchat
10:14 pm Patti_OShea: I like characters who grow throughout a story. If they’re the same at the end, then what was the point of the journey? #ufchat
10:14 pm artbymimulux: RT @leapetra: There are some great female characters out there that are not angry. (thinking Pratchett again, but all his females are amazing) #ufchat
10:15 pm leapetra: My idea of a bad ass is some one that could kick your butt, but chooses not too. #ufchat
10:15 pm thedaisyharris: RT @tasmin21: @miranda00writes Ill second that in reverse. Too many “rebels” just need a good woman to tame them? Please.~For sure! #UFchat
10:15 pm editorialdept: Again with the inherent gifts/charm – I like an alpha male who’s earned his spot rather than fallen into it by rote. #ufchat
10:15 pm Patti_OShea: Since I like characters who are equals, I like to see a tough heroine matched with a tough hero. #ufchat
10:15 pm pauljessup: Another peeve of mine- books were strong female character is basically just code word for Bitchy Character #ufchat
10:15 pm writermomof5: @UF_Chat I’d like to see a heroine that isn’t’ a combination of Bruce Lee and Wonder woman #ufchat
10:15 pm dystophil: @thedaisyharris ditto on that. def. getting tired of “perfect” characters #ufchat
10:15 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 Really good point (the good woman tamer). #ufchat
10:15 pm elizabethkarr: RT @thedaisyharris: @UF_Chat Im all about beta heroes, heroes who are virgins, or geeky, or socially inept. < Agree! ! #UFchat
10:15 pm leapetra: RT @editorialdept I have issues with predestined MCs – no matter what they do theyll win/conquer (essentially become princess) #ufchat
10:15 pm UF_Chat: Q5: Weapons, MC strength & violence: 1st the weapons ? what?s overused, what?s hot, what do you love, what do you not? (he) #ufchat
10:17 pm editorialdept: Q5 – never, ever getting sick of swords, but I’d love to see someone use their smarts as a weapon. Like I said last week – MacGyver #ufchat
10:17 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat I said this last week. I love swords, guns over used. <additional> creative weapons will pique my interest. #ufchat
10:17 pm tasmin21: Don’t mind overused weapons so long as there’s a reason for them knowing them. How many people REALLY know swordplay these days? #UFChat
10:17 pm miranda00writes: Personally, I love gratuitous violence. Weapons are always fun.;) #UFchat
10:17 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr @thedaisyharris Me too. Does this mean they can’t be alpha? Think not. Think term ‘alpha’ is misunderstood. #ufchat
10:17 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat Violence. I don’t mind violence, unless it become torture porn. #ufchat
10:18 pm tasmin21: Also, on weapons, KNOW your weapons. Don’t tell me a glock has a safety switch. #UFChat
10:18 pm Patti_OShea: The problem is there’s a limited number of weapons, right? How long can anyone come up with something unique? #ufchat
10:18 pm inkgrrl: Agreed, and never perm damaged. RT@leapetra/@editorialdept I have issues w/predestined MCs-no matter what they do theyll win/conquer #ufchat
10:18 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 Yes – use weapons – please – they’re awesome – but know what you’re doing. Go do live research please. #ufchat
10:18 pm miranda00writes: RT @tasmin21: Also, on weapons, KNOW your weapons. Don’t tell me a glock has a safety switch. #UFChat
10:19 pm editorialdept: RT @tasmin21: Also, on weapons, KNOW your weapons. Dont tell me a glock has a safety switch. <<Excellent point! Do your homework #ufchat
10:19 pm leapetra: @tasmin21 true you better explain how they learned their craft, and not at a dojo, that is getting overused too. #ufchat
10:19 pm writingdemons: @tasmin21 Agreed. Most weapons are still in use, but they need to come with a reason for using them. Other than “it’s cool.” #UFChat
10:19 pm tasmin21: I’m a little rabid about weapon/combat accuracy. #UFChat
10:19 pm elizabethkarr: @UF_Chat now u mention-wld love yr opinion of diff betw alpha and beta hero/ines. #UFchat
10:19 pm leapetra: @Patti_OShea how about those gears in the first Hellboy movie, no one saw those being used as a weapon #ufchat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Yes unless people look at their environments more – want more of that – creative/smart fighting, using what at hand. #ufchat
10:19 pm pauljessup: @Patti_OShea #ufchat What about someone who used stuff around them as weapons? Like old Kung Fu films. Anything can be a weapon
10:20 pm leapetra: biggest complaint about weapons, not just in UF DO NOT HOLD YOUR GUN SIDEWAYS its stupid (sorry for yelling) #ufchat
10:20 pm artbymimulux: RT @leapetra: My idea of a bad ass is some one that could kick your butt, but chooses not too. #ufchat
10:20 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr Heh – think that’s a good chat topic as it’s pretty complex. I do want to explore that – both for guys & girls. #ufchat
10:20 pm editorialdept: Correllary to @tasmin21‘s point – just because you saw something on TV, don’t assume it’s proper use. When writing weapons, research #ufchat
10:20 pm Patti_OShea: @leapetra I have to confess, I haven’t seen Hellboy. I’m way, way, way behind on movies. #ufchat
10:20 pm tasmin21: @pauljessup That would rock! Would love to see a Jackie-Chan-type fighter. #UFChat
10:20 pm UF_Chat: @pauljessup You tweeted my thought too. LOL #ufchat
10:21 pm leapetra: @tasmin21 My youngest is a great source for me if I have to check the information on a gun #ufchat
10:21 pm tasmin21: And please, if using a gun, keep track of how many rounds you’ve used. Know what your clips hold. Reload. #UFChat
10:21 pm UF_Chat: Wow big topic on just the types of heroes/heroines and how violence is used! But I’m moving on… #ufchat
10:22 pm UF_Chat: Q5a: Emo-monsters & real monsters: where?s the real danger? What?s overused? What?s underused? What works & what doesn?t? #ufchat
10:22 pm elizabethkarr: @UF_Chat Got it. Good topic 4 down the road. alpha and beta characters. Make a note! 🙂 #UFchat
10:22 pm pauljessup: @tasmin21 #ufchat LOL! Esp combined with someone’s MacGuyver suggestion earlier. That would be great book.
10:22 pm editorialdept: Also, martial arts styles, while similar, aren’t always interchangeable. Don’t write karate but mean kendo, etc… #ufchat
10:22 pm pauljessup: @UF_Chat LOL. Great minds, etc #ufchat
10:23 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 Am reading Monster Hunters International – one of strong points is guy REALLY knows his guns. Seriously. Maybe too much. #ufchat
10:23 pm inkgrrl: Q5: I want 2 see creativity used – anything can b a weapon: don’t limit 2 conventional/known weapons. #ufchat
10:23 pm tasmin21: I prefer my monsters to be monsters. They can PLAY at being all approachable, but only as a means to prey. #UFChat
10:23 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat emo monsters never appealed to me. and don’t give me I have to hide because I am different, you are a monster! #ufchat
10:23 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat Always makes you wonder what these authors have under their beds. 😉 #UFChat
10:23 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 But I have more tolerance for weapon play description than most girls. 🙂 #ufchat
10:23 pm leapetra: @tasmin21 <claps> #ufchat
10:24 pm editorialdept: emo monsters tend to lack “monster” – they’re too busy being emo. Write monsters for significance, not as emo kids w/ fur/fangs #ufchat
10:24 pm pauljessup: I’d like to see more creative monsters from obscure mythology 🙂 #ufchat Like Aztec demons or African Vampires
10:24 pm thedaisyharris: @UF_Chat Werewolves leave me cold. No idea why. Maybe because wolves aren’t particularly dangerous really. #UFchat
10:24 pm leapetra: @inkgrrl favorite unconventional weapon. A book. #ufchat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: RT @pauljessup: @tasmin21 #ufchat LOL! Esp combined with someone’s MacGuyver suggestion earlier. That would be great book.
10:24 pm Nickinson: @inkgrrl I agree with that, with imagination you can turn anything to a weapon, it doesn’t even have to be physical. #ufchat
10:25 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra ooh – good question! #ufchat
10:25 pm tasmin21: @thedaisyharris See, I like the pack-mentality idea of a werewolf. Strict hierarchy, brutal punishment. Not walking throw rugs. #UFChat
10:25 pm leapetra: you can have deep monsters. that shouldn’t make them emo, but now it seems it does. #ufchat
10:25 pm elizabethkarr: @Nickinson Weapon can even be words. Revealing a secret or code. That can wield power, too. #UFchat
10:26 pm UF_Chat: Q5b: OK – quick back-up – what’s your favorite unconventional weapon (@leapetra says a book) #ufchat
10:26 pm leapetra: @inkgrrl The story I am thinking about it was a law book. heavy enough to knock someone out a window. #ufchat
10:26 pm tasmin21: I like monsters whose motivations are unfathomable to humans. Makes them unpredictable and scarier. #UFChat
10:26 pm jflamingo2: @UF_Chat Perhpas, it’s not as common but I also hate the vice-versa of this too. A women is MC but a man is on the cover. #ufchat
10:26 pm dystophil: can I just say, I want an UF with lightsabers? (yeah, I know, I know…) #ufchat
10:26 pm editorialdept: @elizabethkarr yes, never underestimate the power of information to damage a character. Sometimes subterfuge is better than a fight #ufchat
10:27 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat A cane. Then again, a broom would work too. #UFChat
10:27 pm UF_Chat: I loved the use of a car antennae in 1st season of Alias. Was MCs trademark – use what around you. Then became gadget show. Sigh. #ufchat
10:27 pm Nickinson: @elizabethkarr agreed, if you can make character use mental or inner conflict as a weapon, then u have a real powerful character. #ufchat
10:28 pm UF_Chat: Q5c: There?s been a trend of MCs with violent pasts (eg abuse). Is this overused? Is there still room for these MCs? Thoughts? #ufchat
10:28 pm latta: RT @elizabethkarr: @Nickinson Weapon can even be words. Revealing a secret or code. That can wield power, too. #UFchat
10:28 pm dystophil: @tasmin21 yes, but the problem with that is that unfathomable motivations often risk coming over as being evil for the sake of evil #ufchat
10:28 pm tasmin21: @dystophil Agreed. Tricky to pull off well. #UFChat
10:28 pm latta: @elizabethkarr is that as in, teh pen being mightier than the sword? 🙂 but agree. #ufchat
10:28 pm UF_Chat: S: @lilithsaintcrow penned this article on the image of UF in 2008: Angry Chicks in Leather http://bit.ly/a58dKx #ufchat
10:28 pm elizabethkarr: @editorialdept agreed and it opens up all sorts of complexities in developing the relationships 3 which is key to holding reader int #UFchat
10:29 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat Past abuse can make for an MC with powerful motivations. But doesn’t mean normal upbringing = weenie. #UFChat
10:29 pm elizabethkarr: Yes, cliche’ but true IMHO RT @latta: @elizabethkarr is that as in, teh pen being mightier than the sword? 🙂 but agree. #UFchat
10:29 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat I think if you use the abuse as a reason why they have to change, not as an excuse for their behavior. #ufchat
10:29 pm latta: @editorialdept this is in fact what my other WIP deals with– information, and who owns “your” info–and what can happen w/it #ufchat
10:30 pm inkgrrl: @editorialdept To misquote, war is extension of diplomacy by other means. Great way to extend/deepen characters. #ufchat
10:30 pm dystophil: @tasmin21 exactly. I’m really fond of the “normal” character with a twist #ufchat
10:30 pm elizabethkarr: @leapetra It’s always the little idiosyncracies that endear us to the chars. #UFchat
10:30 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr Difficulty is in using words effectively when situation already physically violent. Can be done but tricky. #ufchat
10:31 pm UF_Chat: Q5d: Angry chicks in leather: Acceptable or not? Is it still true? What?s changed? How do you want your action portrayed? #ufchat
10:31 pm writingdemons: @dystophil @tasmin21 Being raised “normal” doesn’t always turn out normal mentality or motivations. Same with violent pasts. #UFChat
10:31 pm elizabethkarr: RT @latta this is in fact what my other WIP deals with-information& who owns “your” info-and what can happen w/it<Grt premise 4 2day #UFchat
10:32 pm jimnduncan: Interesting chat today. Wish I could participate more, but in middle of making burritos. #ufchat
10:32 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat 1st. my MC would look horrible in leather. 2nd. She is overweight. How many of those have you seen on covers? #ufchat
10:32 pm latta: @editorialdept @elizabethcarr some of the chars w/longest staying power for me have been more didactic than demonic. #ufchat
10:32 pm elizabethkarr: @UF_Chat But isn’t succeeding at ‘the tricky’ what all writers aspire 2? 🙂 #UFchat
10:32 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat Do you know how hot and sweaty leather pants are? Dear gods, the chafing!! #UFChat
10:33 pm MeWriteWords: RT @leapetra I love the fact my vampires scoff at guns, but will freak out if you chase them with a stick from an ash tree. #ufchat
10:33 pm dystophil: @writingdemons Hi WD! And yes, also there is the question of what we define as “normal” #ufchat
10:33 pm elizabethkarr: @leapetra Overweight heroine on cover? I’d buy that book for the sheer novelty value. Like we live in world where noone obese?-NOT. #UFchat
10:34 pm jflamingo2: @UF_Chat When an animal changes into another form that becomes a weapon like a snake becoming a stick. #ufchat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr Of course! That’s why we’re here – to up the ante (and help and inspire). #ufchat
10:34 pm editorialdept: Was just thinking – how many books w/ leather on the cover actually involve a character wearing leather? I can’t think of many. #ufchat
10:34 pm dystophil: @tasmin21 yes. Also, creaking leather = not good when you’re trying to be sneaky. #ufchat
10:35 pm leapetra: @elizabethkarr (making mental note to change cover on next editon) 😀 #ufchat
10:35 pm UF_Chat: @jflamingo2 Haven’t seen much of that! Common in myths & legends – you think there’d be more. #ufchat
10:35 pm elizabethkarr: RT @leapetra: @elizabethkarr (making mental note to change cover on next editon) 😀 < Love it! #UFchat
10:35 pm writingdemons: Only time I see people wear leather is for protection when riding motorcycles. #UFChat
10:35 pm tasmin21: I wanna see a heroine wearing Spanx! That’s right, I said it. #UFChat
10:35 pm latta: @editorialdept modern books w/leather bindings, or did a have a thread drop? #ufchat
10:35 pm jessenovels: You character could be wearing anything he wants’ but if he’s dull and unrealistic you’re fucked #UFchat
10:36 pm writingdemons: Well, maybe not the only time, but certainly the only time in summer. #UFChat
10:36 pm leapetra: I do have characters that wear leather. Biker leather, with their colors. #ufchat
10:36 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept Used to be a lot – that’s changing this last year in particular but used to be standard. #ufchat
10:36 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 OMG. And that’s all I’m going to say. LOL #ufchat
10:36 pm leapetra: If they are going out to hunt vampires. Why not a chain mail piece around the neck? not a leather halter #ufchat
10:36 pm editorialdept: @latta I meant cover art w/ leather-wearing characters vs. characters actually wearing the stuff in the story 🙂 #ufchat
10:36 pm elizabethkarr: @tasmin21 How do u know they’re not already under thier leather? 🙂 Actually interesting quirk-MC concerned with weight. #UFchat
10:37 pm UF_Chat: Q6: The outfits: what?s hot, what?s not? What makes you roll your eyes & what?s missing from our girls (& guys wardrobes)? #ufchat
10:37 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept Oh agree – it’s the image more than the actuality of the stories – always has been sadly. #ufchat
10:37 pm annikkawoods: *crawls in late* Sorry. @editorialadept You’d like one of my stories, then. One of my characters always wears black leather. #ufchat
10:38 pm latta: @tasmin21 well, wendy has brought the wig out of the closet–so why not those too? #ufchat
10:38 pm elizabethkarr: Zombies, werewolves going 2 Weight Watchers…I’m cracking myself up here. #UFchat
10:38 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat Kilts are always sexy, not practical in modern stories, but I would forgive a kilt #ufchat
10:38 pm tasmin21: @elizabethkarr Then show me! I think that’d be awesome. #UFChat
10:38 pm dystophil: Glasses. More UF MCs should wear them. And I’m not talking about sunglasses. #ufchat
10:38 pm tasmin21: Why do no male characters wear a cup when going into battle?? #UFChat
10:39 pm ElysabethW: I 2nd this! RT @tasmin21: I wanna see a heroine wearing Spanx! That’s right, I said it. #UFChat
10:39 pm tasmin21: (totally just turned this into a UF underwear discussion) #UFChat
10:39 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Highlander. It’s caused many to love UF in the first place! So yes – more kilts. LOL #ufchat
10:39 pm editorialdept: @leapetra I could see a role for a Utilikilt in a present-day story 🙂 #ufchat
10:39 pm latta: @UF_Chat whatever the apparel, i need to be able to believe it for both the character and the conditions. #ufchat
10:39 pm leapetra: @tasmin21 another good question #ufchat
10:39 pm annikkawoods: Can we just have a heroine (or hero) who runs around in ratty sweats or PJs when they’re surprised? Too many are perfectly dressed. #ufchat
10:39 pm VampBookClub: I’m all about heroines wearing sensible shoes. They can be cute, but you’re not going to be battling in stilettos. #ufchat
10:39 pm snarkychicklet: @tasmin21 Agreed. There’s something terrifying about not knowing the “why” behind the evil (as creepy as banal evil). #UFchat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 It’s a very valid point – when fighting for living the under is VERY important. And it affects the outer wear too. #ufchat
10:40 pm elizabethkarr: @editorialdept Having just been to event with lots of kilts my imagination is running wild w/utilikilt. LOL #UFchat
10:40 pm leapetra: @editorialdept I love the utilikilt #ufchat
10:40 pm annikkawoods: @VampBookClub That’s too true. I’ve worn stiletto heels. They’d kill themselves and leave the bad guys laughing. #ufchat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: Q6a: Since it came up – underwear and protective measures for regularly fighting MCs – thoughts? #ufchat
10:40 pm latta: @tasmin21 @elizabethkarr i can see it now. a codpiece, spanx, and the crown jewels. #ufchat
10:41 pm jessenovels: I enjoy my masturbating killer, he makes me happy each time he kills #ufchat
10:41 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat I’ve got a supporting character who wears a utilikilt on a regular basis. #UFChat
10:41 pm FapCop: RT @jessenovels: I enjoy my masturbating killer, he makes me happy each time he kills #ufchat
10:41 pm VampBookClub: @annikkawoods LOL. Yes. If you’re caught in the middle of the night, shouldn’t they be in sleepwear? #ufchat
10:41 pm leapetra: I had to have my MC have bad hair days all the time, and melting make up. Just to make it real #ufchat
10:41 pm QQwill: QQwill @UF_Chat I am incredibly tired of bare midriffed UF heroines! Too many covers like that. #UFChat
10:41 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat I guess there needs to be a fine line between reality, and over-sharing. #UFChat
10:41 pm thedaisyharris: @UF_Chat Funny question! I have never thought about it. #UFchat
10:42 pm editorialdept: well, if you’re a buffy type, you could at least make sure your stiletto heels were made of wood. then they’d serve a dual purpose #ufchat
10:42 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 Book 2? #ufchat
10:42 pm writingdemons: @UF_Chat Breast bindings. I mean, hullo. Most heroines are pretty well endowed. Them knocking around when running hurts. #UFChat
10:42 pm elizabethkarr: Focusing on gutter and not stars, are we? RT @latta: @tasmin21 @elizabethkarr i can see it now.a codpiece,spanx, & the crown jewels #UFchat
10:42 pm UF_Chat: @QQwill Agree – and bare torso guys – it’s effectively a target – please stab/hack/bite here. #ufchat
10:42 pm annikkawoods: @tasmin21 That’s a good point. I don’t know that I’d want to see it mentioned in a book, except in passing as a joke by the girl. #ufchat
10:43 pm indiepride: What is #ufchat?
10:43 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept I remember reading an interview with Sarah Michelle on how tough to do action scenes in her shoes.. #ufchat
10:43 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat @QQwill Yeah. Or short shorts/short skirts. Talk about easy targets. #ufchat
10:43 pm leapetra: So basically the leather exposed mid drift is as practical as the chain mail bikini? #ufchat
10:44 pm UF_Chat: @indiepride Urban fantasy chat – happening now – come join! use tweetchat and use the #UFchat hashtag to join in. #ufchat
10:44 pm leapetra: @indiepride We discuss Urban Fiction. this week pet peaves #ufchat
10:44 pm latta: 16thC RT @elizabethkarr Focusing on gutter&not stars, are we? RT @latta: @tasmin21 @i can see it now.a codpiece,spanx,&crown jewels #UFchat
10:44 pm UF_Chat: Q3: (Yes I skipped this last week due to time) Sex & romance in UF ? what?s hot, what?s not, what are you sick of, what do you want? #ufchat
10:44 pm thedaisyharris: I have a zombie-robot subplot heroine who cant stop wearing clear plastic platforms. #UFchat
10:45 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept I did like that scene where she was skating for pleasure & ended up using skate as weapon. SarahMichelle’s influence #ufchat
10:45 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat Sick of the world ending in half an hour, but we have time to stop and boink first. #UFChat
10:45 pm thedaisyharris: @leapetra Dude! Chainmael!!! Guys are always naked under it! It sounds like a full body epilady! #UFchat
10:45 pm indiepride: @leapetra ahh interesting. listening in now #ufchat
10:45 pm Patti_OShea: RT @tasmin21: @UF_Chat Sick of the world ending in half an hour, but we have time to stop and boink first. <– YES! Me, too! #ufchat
10:46 pm leapetra: another Pratchett exmple. A woman did use her stilettos as a weapon. She did Dirty Harry and dared to see how far the spike would go #ufchat
10:46 pm writingdemons: @UF_Chat So sick of the abusive relationships that are portrayed as right and good. Makes me want to smack people. #UFChat
10:46 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 Good glory yes! Baby booms begin the night AFTER the boom happens, not before – or during. #ufchat
10:46 pm latta: @elizabethkarr am IMing w/partner who is stuck on tarmac for another hour and was told due to a “loose nut” #ufchat
10:46 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Can we please get past all of the love triangles? And maybe go for a semi-sensible romantic bit? Like a normal relatonship? #ufchat
10:46 pm LaylaMessner: Okay. I missed #UFChat (hi everyone, hope it’s great) but I got two more hrs of #amediting in :). Party time 🙂
10:47 pm dystophil: def. sick of sex just for sex’ sake. Relationships require build-up and more than “OMG U R so hawt. I want u!” seriously…. #ufchat
10:47 pm UF_Chat: @writingdemons Yes – too much of that that isn’t seen for what it is – not good. #ufchat
10:47 pm editorialdept: Sick of sex scenes for sex scene’s sake. ie: “I’ve got some pages to fill…add sex scene for padding rather than plot” #ufchat
10:47 pm Patti_OShea: @leapetra I went to a self-defense class where we were told to drive stiletto heel into attacker’s foot. Can pierce shoe and flesh. #ufchat
10:47 pm UF_Chat: @LaylaMessner Still happening – come chat! #ufchat
10:47 pm leapetra: practical vampire hunter wear. silver chain mail around exposed skin. Blessed leather Armor and wooden weapons. #ufchat
10:47 pm dystophil: also, let’s just call it quits with obsessive relationships already. #ufchat
10:47 pm indiepride: @writingdemons I agree. bad relationships portrayed as good are off-putting #UFChat
10:48 pm elizabethkarr: @latta Tell him to get off the plane. Is ‘loose nut’ in cockpit or in engine? #UFchat
10:48 pm pauljessup: RT @indiepride: @writingdemons I agree. bad relationships portrayed as good are off-putting #UFChat
10:48 pm UF_Chat: Q7: Changing tacks – Cities in UF: what are some overused locations? What cities would be interesting to explore UF-wise? #ufchat
10:48 pm leapetra: @Patti_OShea That’s exactly what she was doing. You were cringing for the poor man. #ufchat
10:48 pm annikkawoods: I’m with @dystophil @editorialadept I’m tired of gratuitous sex. #ufchat
10:49 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat I made up my own city That was fun, and I didn’t want one place associated with my stuff. #ufchat
10:49 pm thedaisyharris: I hate when f is thrown over guy’s shoulder and “can’t” get free. All you have to do is arch back, and guy break hold. Duh! #UFchat
10:49 pm elizabethkarr: @Patti_OShea I once nearly did that on dance floor with stilletto. After that always had clear berth 4 dance room. #UFchat
10:49 pm UF_Chat: Q7a: Alleys, graveyards, police stations & more: What typical city niches have you seen enough of? What?s missing? #ufchat
10:49 pm Queryaddict: I’ve heard that NY and LA are the two most overused cities for any type of book. Editors are tired of them #UFCHAT
10:50 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat Overused? Seattle, New York City, LA, and Chicago. And small towns. Why not Boise, or Coeur d’Alene? Why not Alexandria? #ufchat
10:50 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Was your faux city set in our world near somewhere we could identify? #ufchat
10:50 pm Patti_OShea: @elizabethkarr That’s funny, but not funny at the same time. Yikes! #ufchat
10:50 pm thedaisyharris: @UF_Chat Overused: New Orleans. Underused:Detroit #UFchat
10:50 pm dystophil: @UF_Chat I’m going to jump out of the North America mold and set my YA UF in Frankfurt, Germany. Still a metropolis though. #ufchat
10:50 pm indiepride: @thedaisyharris lol. yes the “helpless” female is old too #UFchat
10:50 pm writingdemons: I think most of the Big Cities are overused. I’d like to see things done with smaller cities. Salt Lake City Ut stars in my UF book. #UFChat
10:50 pm elizabethkarr: RT @Queryaddict: Ive heard that NY and LA are the two most overused cities for any type of book. Editors are tired of them #UFchat
10:50 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat Its a mix of the Twin Cities, Syracuse, LaCrosse WI, New York, and a few other places #ufchat
10:51 pm editorialdept: & nothing worse than a sex scene when the author can’t write one well. Read this re: how to write one – http://bit.ly/9JxWJ1 #ufchat
10:51 pm elizabethkarr: RT @Patti_OShea: @elizabethkarr Thats funny, but not funny at the same time. Yikes! <About what he said, w/ emphasis on latter. #UFchat
10:51 pm thedaisyharris: @indiepride Worse, the “badass” female that can’t break the most obvious of holds. #UFchat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr Funnily enough – barely seen LA in UF though. NY a lot but not LA – kinda odd but living here I understand why. #ufchat
10:51 pm pauljessup: #ufchat I’d like to see more rust belt towns on the decline. Make Urban more dangerous. Detroit, Erie, Cleveland, Pittsburg
10:51 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat Although a few people swear I based all of it on Brooklyn. I have never been to Brooklyn. #ufchat
10:52 pm pauljessup: (Although I must note- my own UF takes place in Cleveland) #ufchat
10:52 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept Is that link @StaciaKane‘s awesome series? #ufchat
10:52 pm leapetra: @pauljessup That is also my city. Very rust belt midwestern. #ufchat
10:52 pm elizabethkarr: Heartland-midwest-sadly underused in UF. There’s a whole country out there w/ stories waiting 2 b told about them. (and readers 2) #UFchat
10:52 pm latta: @elizabethkarr having hard time getting teh details since not supposed to be using phone. #ufchat
10:53 pm UF_Chat: Q7a: Alleys, graveyards, police stations & more: What typical city niches have you seen enough of? What?s missing? #ufchat
10:53 pm editorialdept: @UF_Chat no, just a short article one of our editors wrote. a good primer on the subject. Def. recommend @StaciaKane‘s series, tho! #ufchat
10:53 pm UF_Chat: Q7b: What typical city personnel are overused? What typical jobs are underused? What would you like to see? #ufchat
10:53 pm Patti_OShea: I set 2 stories in Minneapolis, and 1 in Woodford, WI. Although, in the Woodford book, they weren’t in the town. #ufchat
10:53 pm leapetra: can we stop with New Orleans too, unless you are going to update it with what Katrina did to the coast. #ufchat
10:53 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat There’s an awful lot of strip clubs in UF. #UFChat
10:53 pm indiepride: @thedaisyharris yes! she kcked butt the scene before but the smallest ant can trick her #UFchat
10:54 pm dystophil: question that popped up the other day: is it still considered UF if your city is fictional/in a slightly futuristic world? #ufchat
10:54 pm elizabethkarr: RT @leapetra: can we stop with New Orleans too, unless you are going to update it with what Katrina did to the coast. #UFchat
10:54 pm leapetra: @Patti_OShea I will have to check those out. #ufchat
10:54 pm dystophil: vampire strip clubs/night clubs must go. #ufchat
10:54 pm annikkawoods: I am so tired of seeing the corrupt police, the strip clubs, and the private investigators. #ufchat
10:54 pm elizabethkarr: @annikkawoods God knows it worked 4 TWILIGHT. 🙂 #UFchat
10:55 pm writingdemons: @UF_Chat I wanna see more janitors. Nothing in the city would function if not for janitors keeps things clean. #UFChat
10:55 pm UF_Chat: There’s an interesting new article on Tor.com talking about real disasters rarely used in UF (at least not when happening). #ufchat
10:55 pm pauljessup: @leapetra I’d actually like to read something like that…maybe vamps/demons trying to take over while Katrina was happening #ufchat
10:55 pm latta: @elizabethkarr i think the Clutters via Capote took care of some of that flatland. How about crazed Packer fans? #ufchat
10:55 pm Patti_OShea: @leapetra thanks! #ufchat
10:55 pm leapetra: @dystophil I hope so. I am banking on that. #ufchat
10:55 pm annikkawoods: Though I will admit to having an independent forensic investigator, a federal agent (like XFiles), and a bunch of waiters/waitress. #ufchat
10:56 pm UF_Chat: @writingdemons Yes – and garbage men. #ufchat
10:56 pm elizabethkarr: @latta I offer up my family 4 crazed Packer fans research. #UFchat
10:56 pm annikkawoods: @elizabethkarr Hush, you…do NOT try to compare my masterpiece with those books. LOL (Not a Twilight fan. *grin*) #ufchat
10:56 pm UF_Chat: Q8: What?s great about UF series? What?s annoying? What potential do you think remains untapped? #ufchat
10:56 pm annikkawoods: @leapetra I’ve got something similar, and the owner’s a major info broker. She literally sells you info on everyone & everything. #ufchat
10:56 pm thedaisyharris: Y’know what you don’t see in written UF that is big in TV SF? Abvious race relation/class stratification metaphors. What gives? #UFchat
10:56 pm tasmin21: We need a supernatural meter maid. #UFChat
10:57 pm dystophil: @leapetra yeah, well, I got a little confused on the “is a futuristic city still UF-setting material” when query-writing #ufchat
10:57 pm leapetra: @Patti_OShea That’s only because you are raised a Packer fan, even if you don’t watch football. #ufchat
10:57 pm jflamingo2: @UF_Chat I wonder how south TX would be explored UF-wise? San Antonio, Corpus Christi, McAllen? Lots to make it interesting here. #ufchat
10:57 pm elizabethkarr: @annikkawoods I am not comparing. Only sending you wishes 4 that sort of publishing success. Then I will produce the movie. 🙂 #UFchat
10:57 pm editorialdept: untapped potential: unique critters and locations. Plunging deeper into multicultural myths and lore. #ufchat
10:58 pm annikkawoods: @elizabethkarr Ohhh! Ok! Sounds lovely. *grin* #ufchat
10:58 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 I read a short story with one – was great! Can’t remember where though – was few years ago. #ufchat
10:58 pm thedaisyharris: @jflamingo2 Texas corners the market in romance setting. (Well, certain kinds of romance.) #UFchat
10:58 pm Patti_OShea: What I like about series is that there’s more opportunities for the character to change and grow and watch it happen. #ufchat
10:58 pm Patti_OShea: They can also change in more ways than 1 book allows. #ufchat
10:58 pm annikkawoods: @editorialdept That’s an interesting idea. And something I delved into before creating one of the creatures who populates my world. #ufchat
10:58 pm Patti_OShea: What I don’t like is when the series bogs down in their world’s politics to the point where I just want to say, come on, let’s go. #ufchat
10:58 pm leapetra: Midwesterners. Why can’t we have Hodags invading Milwaukee? just a suggestion. #ufchat
10:59 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept Multicultural! Want more of that – very much. #ufchat
10:59 pm elizabethkarr: @thedaisyharris V interesting your note re lack of race/class differences/metaphors in UF. I’m not as familiar w/ the genre #UFchat
10:59 pm inkgrrl: It’s still urban, so why not? RT @dystophil: is it still considered UF if your city is fictional/in a slightly futuristic world? #ufchat
10:59 pm annikkawoods: @leapetra She uses the money to help fund her and her partner’s travels and hunting exploits. #ufchat
10:59 pm UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea Oh yes – enough politics thanks. #ufchat
11:00 pm LaylaMessner: @UF_Chat I know, but I’m getting ready to leave the house. I’m so grateful for the transcripts you post on the blog! #UFChat
11:00 pm thedaisyharris: @latta @UF_Chat I always like SciFi as instrument of social change (or at least social commentary). I’d like to see more in UF. #UFchat
11:00 pm MindyRuiz: RT @UF_Chat: @indiepride Urban fantasy chat – happening now – come join! use tweetchat and use the #UFchat hashtag to join in. #ufchat
11:00 pm Patti_OShea: @UF_Chat I’ve written multi-cultural. Sometimes the publisher will highlight it, sometimes they seem to want to downplay it. Sigh. #ufchat
11:00 pm annikkawoods: @Patti_OShea Oh yes, very tired of political agendas in the UF books. #ufchat
11:00 pm writingdemons: Thanks to #UFChat I now want to put jack-a-lopes in my books.
11:01 pm UF_Chat: Q9: UF voice: 1st vs 3rd & more: what POVs do you like & why? What don?t you like & WHY? (yes ? I?m making you think) #ufchat
11:01 pm editorialdept: don’t see much cultural diversity in UF unless you count the weres/vamps/etc. Not many non-white humans. #ufchat
11:01 pm leapetra: I never understood why we couldn’t have more American folklore creatures in UF, why not an widowmaker, or a jackalope? #ufchat
11:01 pm annikkawoods: @thedaisyharris That’s one thing I’ve noticed too. UF seems to get whitewashed a lot. #ufchat
11:01 pm tasmin21: One of my WIPs deals with a Westboro-style protest group, protesting supernaturals having equal rights. #UFChat
11:01 pm thedaisyharris: @UF_Chat Interesting. I may have only read recent. #UFchat
11:01 pm tasmin21: @leapetra Wrote one with a jackalope as a familiar! Love him so much. #UFChat
11:02 pm latta: rt @thedaisyharris @latta @UF_Chat I always like SciFi as instr of social change (or at least soc commentary). ike 2see more in UF. #UFchat
11:02 pm Patti_OShea: @UF_Chat I would love more 3rd person. I’m not a fan of 1st person to begin with and it seems like 95% of UF is 1st #ufchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: Q9a: The UF attitude: is it just “FU” or is there more? #ufchat
11:02 pm elizabethkarr: I don’t like political AGENDA in UF but do appreciate pol BACKGROUND or CURRENT EVENT setting that rings true. #UFchat
11:02 pm annikkawoods: @leapetra I do use American folklore in the fact that gypsy hunter is also Native American…and boy does she have issues. #ufchat
11:02 pm leapetra: @editorialdept I am guilty of that. 1 black character, but I do have a Spanish family of werewolves. #ufchat
11:02 pm latta: @thedaisyharris i agree with you viz social change. change we’d *like* to believe in. bah-dum-pum. #ufchat
11:02 pm editorialdept: @Patti_OShea yes! very tired of 1st person. #ufchat
11:02 pm indiepride: @UF_Chat I love reading 1st if it’s well done. #ufchat
11:03 pm jimnduncan: I like when stories explore the fantasy aspects. Not so much interested about just having vamps/demons plopped down in our world. #ufchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: FINAL Q: UF wish lists: how would you like to see UF evolve? What would you love to see explored in UF? #ufchat
11:03 pm annikkawoods: @Patti_OShea I’m tired of the stream of consciousness that happens when you get a badly written 1st person POV. #ufchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr Agree – need that texture to ring true but please don’t focus on it – want the story. #ufchat
11:04 pm thedaisyharris: @elizabethkarr Interesting thoughts about line between social change vs agenda. I always think of Star Trek. Didn’t have agenda… #UFchat
11:04 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat personal taste. Lets do more world jumping. #ufchat
11:04 pm editorialdept: @jimnduncan related to that, I hate when authors try too hard to explain the fantasy. Sometimes it’s ok to just let magic be magic. #ufchat
11:04 pm annikkawoods: @jimnduncan I’ve got vamps and were-beasts (not just wolves), but I’m also big on other magical/paranormal things. #ufchat
11:04 pm Patti_OShea: @editorialdept I’ve done Vietnamese-American heroine, Japanese-Demon-American heroine. Hero who is Filipino-African/Caribbean-Amercn #ufchat
11:05 pm elizabethkarr: Writers-if u’ve got a 1000 word story link it. RT @JeremyCShipp If you do post a #SaturdayStory link today, I’ll RT your message. #UFchat
11:05 pm Patti_OShea: @editorialdept But my books are more paranormal romance than regular UF #ufchat
11:05 pm elizabethkarr: RT @UF_Chat: @elizabethkarr Agree – need that texture to ring true but please dont focus on it – want the story. #UFchat
11:05 pm latta: @elizabethkarr agreed. don’t want to read a polemic on merits of democracy or fillintheblank. there are actual texts for that #ufchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra World jumping? Can you explain further? #ufchat
11:06 pm leapetra: I do Berserks, trolls, mad scientists, aliens, and a wild man. there are so many other creatures and things you can use. #ufchat
11:06 pm thedaisyharris: I haven’t read any recent UF where I thought to myself, “gee, I wouldn’t have thought about it that way.” #UFchat
11:06 pm elizabethkarr: @thedaisyharris Star Trek mingled social commentary w/ story v well. I think they did have agenda, but it was agenda I agreed w/! 🙂 #UFchat
11:07 pm annikkawoods: I’ve got a shadow race, my mages/shamans/druids, vamps, were-beasts, fae, and the odd unicorn that wanders into town instead of deer #ufchat
11:07 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat Like the show Sliders. I know it seems sci-fi, but it has been used in fantasy books too. But I don’t think UF #ufchat
11:07 pm tasmin21: I would like to see more characters taking time to recover from their injuries. #UFChat
11:07 pm thedaisyharris: @leapetra Ooh, me loves me some mad scientists! #UFchat
11:07 pm editorialdept: My last UF had a unicorn and a golem. And pirates. Another had dragons. Haven’t ever written vamps or weres. Go fig. #ufchat
11:08 pm elizabethkarr: Back to salt mines 4 me. Discovered this movie producer has to LABOR on Labor Day weekend. #whassupwidat? #UFchat
11:08 pm latta: @elizabethkarr @thedaisyharris not UF, but I think WestWing & 24 managed to give usbelief that women &men of colour could be POTUS #ufchat
11:08 pm RoseanneSchmidt: RT @Patti_OShea: @UF_Chat I would love more 3rd person. I’m not a fan of 1st person to begin with and it seems like 95% of UF is 1st #ufchat
11:08 pm tasmin21: Wanna see an ugly protagonist. #UFChat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra That’s because deal w other realities. UF deals with our current or our reality changed, unless you have travel to Faerie. #ufchat
11:09 pm GeneDoucette: what’s the chat, gang? I imagine I’m at the end of it #ufchat
11:09 pm elizabethkarr: @latta Totally agree that shows prepared electorate for Hillary or Obama. And House episode I did 2 where 1st black man ran 4 prez #UFchat
11:10 pm annikkawoods: @tasmin21 I’d like to see a protagonist NOT go home with half the people he/she meets drooling on her. #ufchat
11:10 pm thedaisyharris: I should get back to writing. Thanks for the chat! #UFchat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Guess people could dig more into mythic parallel worlds – Faerie, Valhalla etc Hard to think of them right now. #ufchat
11:10 pm SpiderGriffin: RT @Queryaddict: I’ve heard that NY and LA are the two most overused cities for any type of book. Editors are tired of them #UFCHAT
11:10 pm UF_Chat: That?s a wrap for #UFchat today! If you?re writing UF you may want to bookmark the transcript. 😉 #ufchat
11:10 pm elizabethkarr: Sometimes TV ahead of the social curve like West Wing , sometimes behind like most sit-coms til Modern Family #UFchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: A few more resources on top of last weeks ones, on the topic of UF pet peeves & wish lists tweeted next: #ufchat
11:11 pm GeneDoucette: yep, right at the end. #ufchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: What do you wish would be done MORE in urban fantasy? (Jim Butcher?s forum from 2008) http://bit.ly/8YHkqb #ufchat
11:11 pm GeneDoucette: I always manage to miss this, and it’s right in my subject, too. #ufchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: The Problem With Urban Fantasy by Uncertain Principles (scathing but very good points) http://bit.ly/aapZE9 #ufchat
11:12 pm UF_Chat: Timeline of Trend by Carrie Vaughn (UF used to & does have more than chicks in leather dating vamps) http://bit.ly/9rNx10 #ufchat
11:12 pm annikkawoods: Wish I’d been able to be here for all of this. Great chat, though, and thanks for some good ideas for the UF when I get to it. #ufchat
11:12 pm latta: @elizabethkarr i think some shows de-strangify new ideas, make them more palatable or less foreign and easier to replicate in RL. #ufchat
11:12 pm leatherzebra: @UF_Chat Ugly is female Rambos. Killers with no recourse, no penalties. Lots of sex with lots of people=independence. #ufchat
11:13 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette Transcript avail. each week & late comments welcome -are few who can’t make it and comment late – I add to transcript. #ufchat
11:13 pm leatherzebra: @UF_Chat We need more already attached women lead, maybe even mothers. #ufchat
11:13 pm UF_Chat: Urban Fantasy Cliches by WritingHood http://bit.ly/dDp9DL #ufchat
11:13 pm elizabethkarr: @UF_Chat Great writers room 2day. Enjoyed exchange of ideas. #UFchat
11:13 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat what was this week? Things u’d like to see in UF? #ufchat
11:14 pm editorialdept: RT @leatherzebra: @UF_Chat We need more already attached women lead, maybe even mothers. #ufchat
11:14 pm tasmin21: Awesome chat today, folks! Thanks! #UFChat
11:14 pm leapetra: @GeneDoucette more pet peeves #ufchat
11:14 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette Pet peeves & what we’d like to see more of – pt II – started last week and got huge so cont this week. #ufchat
11:14 pm leatherzebra: @UF_Chat Love kick ass but noble/gentle men. Freshen by adding less gorgeous-perfect men. #ufchat
11:14 pm thedaisyharris: One more thought- Social commentary, sans agenda, is what catapulted the Sookie Stackhouse books. (IMO) #UFchat
11:15 pm dystophil: @leatherzebra Kelly Gay’s THE BETTER PART OF DARKNESS MC is a single mother. Quite enjoyed that one. #ufchat
11:15 pm UF_Chat: Announcement next ? if you want to promote your UF posts, book or anything else UF related now is the time! #ufchat
11:15 pm UF_Chat: Got a topic you want to chat about? Let me know! I?ll add it to the list & maybe even bump up the chat-date for it. ? #ufchat
11:15 pm UF_Chat: If you wish to highlight UF release by an author here on Twitter from the last week ? let me know & I?ll promote it. Just @inkgypsy. #ufchat
11:16 pm thedaisyharris: @editorialdept Funny, I dislike reading about heroine’s with kids. I’m all “why does *she* have all this free time?” #UFchat
11:16 pm tasmin21: Shameless self-promotion: A DEVIL IN THE DETAILS available now! #UFChat
11:16 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat gotcha. I would maybe stink at this subject, since, as I said, I hardly read UF. #ufchat
11:16 pm UF_Chat: I’m slowly making a list of UF authors on Twitter on blog site. Please suggest more to @inkgypsy (that?s me in regular tweet time) #ufchat
11:16 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat My book Fledgling is out, and the second book Killer will be out in October. #ufchat
11:16 pm editorialdept: @thedaisyharris Well, maybe a story about empty nesters, then? That could be quite amusing 🙂 #ufchat
11:17 pm elizabethkarr: Coproduced #syfy adaptation of Philip K Dick novel. @rfamovie http://www.radiofreealbemuth.com 4 newsletter. Plz follow. 🙂 #UFchat
11:17 pm latta: @UF_Chat thank you–i have enjoyed my first few visits to this chat. Thank you for hosting it. Do you post the chatscript?#ufchat
11:17 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat @inkgypsy Um… Immortal is UF. And decidedly non-pet peevish. #ufchat
11:17 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette We looked at 2 aspects – the image and the actual writing. Makes for interesting reading. (& study if writing UF) #ufchat
11:17 pm tasmin21: Also, @Cameron_Haley‘s MOB RULES came out last week! Read it! #UFChat
11:18 pm elizabethkarr: RADIO FREE ALBEMUTH Cast & Crew. Stars Alanis Morissette, Shea Whigham, K Winnick http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1129396/fullcredits #UFchat
11:18 pm dystophil: awesome chat everyone. Thanks for having me and nice to (virtually) meet some new writers 😀 #ufchat
11:18 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat the image? #ufchat
11:19 pm psynde: RT @tasmin21: Also, @Cameron_Haley‘s MOB RULES came out last week! Read it! #UFChat
11:19 pm leatherzebra: @UF_Chat I like flawed/abuse UF characters. I like ppl who are determined not to let their crappy childhoods happen to others #ufchat
11:19 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette You might be surprised what people are sick of – worth checking. 🙂 #ufchat
11:19 pm elizabethkarr: Ashley Greene -Alice Cullen from Twilight- also in my @rfamovie Adapt of Philip K Dick #syfy novel. http://www.radiofreealbemuth.com #UFchat
11:20 pm annikkawoods: That reminds me…I guess my angel/demon story would be UF too. Didn’t think about that. #ufchat
11:20 pm leatherzebra: @UF_Chat I want my action necessary. Read a book where heroine almost always started the fight w/little reason. MC became a bully. #ufchat
11:20 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette UF has an image as mostly kick-ass chicks,mainly for girls, loner MCs, mainly using vamps weres & demons/angels etc #ufchat
11:21 pm leapetra: @leatherzebra I agree as long as they don’t use the past as an excuse for their actions. There has to be growth. #ufchat
11:21 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat good point. I didn’t set out to write an urban fantasy in the first place. I had to be convinced that was it’s genre. #ufchat
11:21 pm latta: @elizabethkarr @rfamovie Philip K.Dick A Plastic Paradox LATimes piece http://bit.ly/a5V9lU #rfamovie #ufchat
11:21 pm UF_Chat: @annikkawoods If set in our world – or our world changed then probably yes. 🙂 #ufchat
11:21 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat ah, that image. But anything in the present with “fantasy” characters would qualify, yes? #ufchat
11:21 pm imkarenb: RT @leapetra: practical vampire hunter wear. silver chain mail around exposed skin. Blessed leather Armor and wooden weapons. #ufchat
11:21 pm leatherzebra: @leapetra Absolutely growth. Bad spawning good, people defending each other, that’s what I like. #ufchat
11:22 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette The image isn’t necessarily the reality but some cliches are true too. We discussed a lot of that. #ufchat
11:22 pm leapetra: @leatherzebra of course! #ufchat
11:22 pm leatherzebra: @UF_Chat Cops are heroes are missing. Firefighter leads. School teachers ) #ufchat
11:23 pm RoseanneSchmidt: #ufchat: When’s the next chat? I would like to join in sooner next time I’d like to learn what makes UF tick, cause that’s what i most enjoy
11:23 pm tasmin21: All right, wandering off to be domestic. Later, folk! #UFChat
11:23 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette Our (recognizable) world with supernatural/paranormal element or our world changed to include that qualifies. #ufchat
11:23 pm annikkawoods: @UF_Chat It is. It’s set in a very dark version of Boise, ID actually. *blush* My hometown. #ufchat
11:23 pm UF_Chat: @UF_Chat lights out. 😉 Transcript available on the #UFchat blog in 36hrs-ish, allowing for late comments. Just use the hashtag. #ufchat
11:24 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat I’ve never understood the “write what you like to read” tendency when taken to that level of mimicry. #ufchat
11:24 pm leatherzebra: @UF_Chat Lots of series stop character growth to avoid coming to an end. I dislike that. Sometimes “time” stops too. #ufchat
11:24 pm elizabethkarr: @latta http://bit.ly/a5V9lU TY! Link you sent from @latimes used photo still of Shea Whigham who plays PKD in our movie @rfamovie #UFchat
11:24 pm UF_Chat: @RoseanneSchmidt Every Sat at 3pmPST/6pm EST -topic announced day before. Follow @UF_Chat for updates & reminders or me (@inkgypsy) #ufchat
11:25 pm leapetra: @GeneDoucette That’s why I do not read why writing my WIP. I end up copying the other author’s voice. #ufchat
11:25 pm GeneDoucette: @leapetra oooh, I do that too. #ufchat
11:26 pm GeneDoucette: @leapetra but really “i like this story about a leather-bound heroine and a vampire love” shouldn’t become… #ufchat
11:26 pm GeneDoucette: @leapetra “…I’ll write a story just like that” #ufchat
11:26 pm leapetra: Maybe next week we could bring this up. But why only the “nice places” in towns. Why not more homeless shelters, clinics, etc #ufchat
11:26 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette Don’t think people set out to mimic -they’re a) inspired by ideas & do own version or b) try to snag popular market #ufchat
11:27 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat it’s the “b” that bugs me. Actually, both do. I have the same problem with RP #ufchat
11:27 pm annikkawoods: @leapetra @GeneDoucette I end up reading something other than what I’m working on. Right now I’m reading UF/WIP is epic fantasy. #ufchat
11:28 pm leapetra: @GeneDoucette That is true. I usually think about it and then mess around with the idea. until it’s mine. #ufchat
11:28 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra I’ve seen a bit of that but I gravitate to darker UF. Agree could use more working class, street class people to populate #ufchat
11:28 pm annikkawoods: @leapetra Drug rehab centers are good too. My angel/demon thing has some events take place in one. #ufchat
11:29 pm GeneDoucette: @annikkawoods I have to stay away from fiction when writing fiction. #ufchat
11:29 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette All we can do is to write the best book we can & be educated about what we’re doing. 🙂 #ufchat
11:29 pm GeneDoucette: @annikkawoods It was pointed out to me that Immortal is in the voice of a noir detective; I don’t know WHAT I was reading. #ufchat
11:30 pm annikkawoods: @GeneDoucette I get too bored. I can only read so much history, true crime, or tech manuals. #ufchat
11:30 pm sidhevicious: @editorialdept I’m the opposite, definitely not a big fan of 3rd person. I prefer 1st. #ufchat
11:30 pm latta: @UF_Chat i have to run–i have a colleague stuck on tarmac & broken sat phone, use some of @leapetra universe jumping #ufchat
11:31 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette Agree – I mostly read non-fic when writing fic & vice versa. Others I know do opposite tho & they write very well. #ufchat
11:31 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat I agree, That’s why I have bouncers, shop owners, bartenders, and unemployed in my stories; #ufchat
11:31 pm GeneDoucette: @annikkawoods I read mostly non-fic anyway, so, it’s not a leap. #ufchat
11:32 pm jimnduncan: I just need to read more UF in general. Didn’t really until my pub said they were buying my UF and I was like, uhm, my thriller? #ufchat
11:32 pm UF_Chat: @latta Wishing you a tardis, or a unicorn with seven league boots… 😉 #ufchat
11:32 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat to each her own, I know. I’m not judging, per se. #ufchat
11:33 pm UF_Chat: @jimnduncan There’s a good variety of it now, thank goodness. What’s on your TBR pile right now? #ufchat
11:33 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat but seems like everyone is using the same rules for the same creatures. #ufchat
11:33 pm sidhevicious: RT @tasmin21: Also, @Cameron_Haley‘s MOB RULES came out last week! Read it! #UFChat
11:34 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat I hate Twlght, but at least with vamps sparkling she made it her own. #ufchat
11:34 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra I like to see a variety of people & places like in real cities. #ufchat
11:34 pm annikkawoods: @GeneDoucette You can use similar rules, but I think it’s how you apply them. #ufchat
11:35 pm GeneDoucette: @annikkawoods I used vamps in Immortal, but made them non “magical”. Much more tolerable for me. #ufchat
11:35 pm annikkawoods: @leapetra Yeah, a variety of “normal” people (even if they’re not normal in the sense of species) really makes for a good world. #ufchat
11:35 pm leapetra: @GeneDoucette I had a fan tell me she liked how my vampire said he doesn’t need to kill, meaning he could. #ufchat
11:36 pm jimnduncan: @UF_Chat reading a harlan coben book now, might try pc cast book next, or stacia kane’s downside books. #ufchat
11:37 pm GeneDoucette: @jimnduncan Try Immortal. coming out 10/1. And yes, I’m shameless. #ufchat
11:37 pm annikkawoods: @GeneDoucette *nods* Only the oldest vamps in my stories are “magical”. The rest are durable but killable. #ufchat
11:37 pm annikkawoods: @GeneDoucette *adds you to the TBR list* #ufchat
11:37 pm UF_Chat: @jimnduncan PC Cast is good though I found some inconsistencies that bothered me. Stacia Kane’s are among the best. #ufchat
11:38 pm annikkawoods: @jimnduncan *adds you to the TBR list* #ufchat
11:38 pm annikkawoods: @leapetra And you’re already on the TBR list. LOL #ufchat
11:38 pm leapetra: @annikkawoods I have a vampire that uses magic, but any one could if they study enough. #ufchat
11:38 pm GeneDoucette: @annikkawoods giving away two free copies of the ARC on GoodReads right now… #ufchat
11:38 pm jimnduncan: @annikkawoods lol, thanks. I’d shamelessly plug my Deadworld book, but it isn’t out until April. #ufchat
11:39 pm annikkawoods: @GeneDoucette REALLY? *runs over to Goodreads* #ufchat
11:39 pm annikkawoods: @GeneDoucette When you get a strange little fan named Alison show up, plz don’t be alarmed. It’s me. LOL #ufchat
11:39 pm GeneDoucette: Urban Fantasy, immortal narrator, no magic. Fun stuff. #ufchat
11:39 pm leapetra: @jimnduncan Why not I am already plugging my minstrel story and that’s not out until then. not UF either. 😛 #ufchat
11:40 pm GeneDoucette: @annikkawoods it has reached page 1 in most requested there. Very happy with that. #ufchat
11:40 pm UF_Chat: @GeneDoucette Is place 4 cliches, familiar tropes which is good. Your title 4 eg is well used word in UF but not a bad thing. #ufchat
11:40 pm GeneDoucette: shortcut to the giveaway: http://bit.ly/c6hy4r #ufchat
11:41 pm annikkawoods: @GeneDoucette That is awesome. And the blurb on it looks interesting. #ufchat
11:41 pm GeneDoucette: @UF_Chat yes, I found I had to spend a lot of time saying “Adam is not a vampire” #ufchat
11:42 pm jimnduncan: I’ll probably start plugging away once I have a cover. Though it’s great and odd at same time that you can preorder my book already. #ufchat
11:42 pm GeneDoucette: @annikkawoods thanks, and god I hope so. The blurb is what it’s all about when attracting interest in the giveaways. #ufchat
11:43 pm GeneDoucette: @jimnduncan hah. I can’t preorder yet, for something out in 3 weeks. My publisher and I are going back and forth on it. #ufchat
11:43 pm annikkawoods: The blurb is the first thing I look at when picking up books. If the premise is interesting I’ll check out the 1st 3 chapters. #ufchat
11:43 pm UF_Chat: Must bow out for now as fun as this is. Please feel free to keep chatting – use the hashtag & I’ll add in transcript. 🙂 #ufchat
11:44 pm rfamovie: Photo from RFA RT @latta: @elizabethkarr @rfamovie Philip K.Dick A Plastic Paradox LATimes piece http://bit.ly/a5V9lU #rfamovie #ufchat
11:45 pm GeneDoucette: OK, good night all. #ufchat
11:45 pm annikkawoods: @GeneDoucette There…added on Goodreads. I’m finding more and more for my TBR list there. #ufchat
11:45 pm GeneDoucette: I have to find a way to make it to this chat sometime. #ufchat
11:45 pm dystophil: I usually go by recommendation/excerpt rather than blurb, but it’s def. important #ufchat
11:46 pm annikkawoods: Right…bowing out myself now. Need pain pills for the leg, and then I’m needing to be #amwriting or nothing’s going to get done. #ufchat
11:46 pm GeneDoucette: @annikkawoods GoodReads is awesome. #ufchat
11:46 pm jimnduncan: I also don’t have an official blurb yet, and I’m not the best blurb writer in the world, so what’s on blog now may not be best ad #ufchat
11:47 pm JulieeJohnsonn: @GeneDoucette me too! I’m always missing #ufchat because of Sat. family commitments! Drat!
11:48 pm GeneDoucette: @JulieeJohnsonn need to push for a second night for this thing. #ufchat
11:49 pm GeneDoucette: OK really do have to go now. Late dog walking. #ufchat
11:49 pm leapetra: I have to bow out to chop up my story into chapters. #ufchat
11:49 pm jimnduncan: And I should probably get back to edits on Deadworld 2 (oh book of the elusive title). #ufchat
11:49 pm GretchenJones: @ElysabethW @tasmin21 #UFChat it’s one thing to be able to bounce a qtr off an ass because it’s firm. Entirely different thing when spanx…
11:50 pm GretchenJones: @ElysabethW @tasmin21 #UFChat (2of2) make the ass into a virtual trampoline for spare change.
11:56 pm Philip_K_Dick: RT @rfamovie: Photo from RFA RT @latta: @elizabethkarr @rfamovie Philip K.Dick A Plastic Paradox LATimes piece http://bit.ly/a5V9lU #rfamovie #ufchat
September 5, 2010
12:07 am editorialdept: Since this was popular in today’s #ufchat, I’m reposting for those who don’t follow the hashtag: Art of the Sex Scene http://bit.ly/dypeN1
1:26 am simonm223: Sorry I missed #ufchat today but #waswriting
2:29 am SpiceBites: Darn I missed #ufchat, but was watching Geoge Clooney 🙂
3:50 am ShadowPhoenix32: just got off work, missed #ufchat will there be another one soon?
5:18 am Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Missed chat tonight, couldn’t keep myself up – sob. #ufchat
7:51 am AnassaRh: Q4: Love that we get kickass women. Don’t so much love how they tend to fit one or two molds?angry, horny, scarred. #UFchat
7:52 am AnassaRh: I’m definitely with the group (everyone here?) saying “Let’s have different kinds of women.” #UFchat
7:53 am AnassaRh: I’d like to see a strong heroine who’s into scented candles, floral prints, other girly things. Who says tough = leather? #UFChat
7:55 am AnassaRh: I’d also like to see a range of demographics: Asian, African, Middle Eastern, middle-aged, senior, gay? Not every reader’s WASP. #UFChat
7:58 am AnassaRh: I think we’re starting to get that now, but I want to see more, for sure. #UFChat
7:59 am AnassaRh: I’d also like to see heroines with diff. powers. Magic, heritage, and accidents have all been done. What else is there? #UFChat
8:00 am AnassaRh: What about a heroine whose power is the result of a curse or spell? #UFChat
8:01 am AnassaRh: By the way, followers: I’m participating in #UFchat. As I always do on Saturday nights. There will be LOTS of comments forthcoming.
8:03 am AnassaRh: I don’t think it’s as much a case of people bashing female MCs as a matter of bashing the stereotypical UF heroine. @dystophil #UFChat
8:05 am AnassaRh: Yes! Ditto! RT @thedaisyharris: @UF_Chat I’m all about beta heroes, heroes who are virgins, or geeky, or socially inept. #UFchat
8:07 am AnassaRh: Q4a: I want to see men who don’t want to protect the heroine, or who let her get in trouble because they know she’ll handle it. #UFChat
8:08 am AnassaRh: To me, incessant protection = women not good enough = chauvinist = unequal, poss. unhealthy relationship, not long lasting. #UFChat
8:09 am AnassaRh: Not saying relationships with high protection are bad, all the time, or that no woman finds that romantic?but not all do. #UFChat
8:12 am AnassaRh: I think there’s a fine line between “dominant, strong male” and “jerk”. The position of that line’s probably up for debate. #UFChat
8:15 am AnassaRh: I’d like more alpha heroes in stable relationships, rather than on-again, off-again, or one-girl-per-novel. Players turn me off. #UFChat
8:19 am AnassaRh: Q5: How physically weak can we make an MC and still have a successful plot? How mentally weak? #UFChat
8:21 am AnassaRh: Though it peeves me when any sort of weakness is used to draw out the plot. #UFChat
8:24 am AnassaRh: And yes, MCs with brains, creativity, resourcefulness, rather than only brawn. Ones who turn everyday objects into weapons in fights #ufchat
8:25 am AnassaRh: I wonder? how many sword-wielding MCs are written by people familiar with Highlander? Thinking of that dojo comment. #UFChat
8:35 am AnassaRh: Q5a: I prefer my monster races to be dangerous, evil, or at least morally grey if “good guys”. Scare me! #ufchat
8:37 am AnassaRh: I don’t find vamps/weres/etc. convincing if they act like humans in every way. And love interest monsters are cliché. #ufchat
8:38 am AnassaRh: I’d like to see more monsters from non-Western canons. @katrchrdsn wrote a great book with an indigenous monster. #ufchat
8:40 am AnassaRh: I’d also like more attempts to blend disparate legends or mythoses. World where multiple kinds of demons exist, logically. #ufchat
8:41 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh *waves* Checking in – haven’t caught up on it all myself yet – was toddler juggling today too. #UFchat
8:41 am AnassaRh: Where’s the danger today? Not in death, corpses, possession. In addiction, poverty, government? In technology? #ufchat
8:42 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh I’m loving people wanting more diversity in people & in monsters. And in professions (you’ll get there) #UFchat
8:44 am AnassaRh: A psi-eating monster that uses ChatRoulette? A monster that steals your identity? A monster that traps you in your cellphone? #ufchat
8:45 am AnassaRh: I picture a climax in a library. OED vs. Encyclopedia Brittanica! RT @leapetra: @inkgrrl favorite unconventional weapon. A book. #ufchat
8:48 am AnassaRh: @inkgypsy I’m loving that too! Hopefully in a year or so, that desire will find its way to print. #ufchat
8:48 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh I’d like to see more regional logic in monsters present – vamps everywhere doesn’t make sense unless very different kinds #UFchat
8:49 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh Excellent! Working on that too… #UFchat BTW dopplegangers are starting to appear more (identity stealers)
8:50 am AnassaRh: Or half-fathomable? You agree, until? RT@tasmin21: I like monsters whs motivations r unfathomable.Makes them unpredictable + scarier #UFChat
8:55 am AnassaRh: @inkgypsy Yes! Pretty sure every culture has some kind of vamp/were. Why ignore that? I’m partial to the Chinese vamp, m’self. #ufchat
8:56 am AnassaRh: @inkgypsy And are doppelgangers, really? I’ve seen one, as a minor antag, but not as a major villain. #ufchat
8:57 am AnassaRh: Agree.RT @leapetra: @UF_Chat I think if you use the abuse as a reason why they have to change, not as an excuse for their behavior. #ufchat
9:00 am AnassaRh: Q5c: Not just abused, but other kinds of trauma, damage. Yes, overused, but I’ll still gladly read. #ufchat
9:03 am AnassaRh: Q5d: Honestly? I’d stop reading if angry girl in leather. Doesn’t hook me. Unrealistic too, and for that, I’ll say unacceptable. #ufchat
9:04 am AnassaRh: Q5d: I don’t think it’s still true, at all. I’ve met a number of rational heroines in the last few years. #ufchat
9:05 am AnassaRh: We may be in danger of In Over Her Head Syndrome, though. Women thrown into events without ever getting their feet. #ufchat
9:07 am AnassaRh: My taste runs to somewhat bloody, damaging action. No gore. Dislike ppl who rush in w/o lay of land, causing massive bloodshed. #ufchat
9:11 am AnassaRh: Q6: I roll my eyes whenever MC goes fighting in tight or scant clothing. Even with quick healing, why invite injury? #ufchat
9:11 am AnassaRh: How many monster fighters wear actual armor? Kevlar? #ufchat
9:12 am AnassaRh: Or contacts. Or braces? RT @dystophil: Glasses. More UF MCs should wear them. And I’m not talking about sunglasses. #ufchat
9:15 am AnassaRh: Mixing fashion with McGyver: The Swiss Army Wedge Heel? #ufchat
9:18 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh Laura Resnick has dopplegangers in her latest. #UFchat http://amzn.to/dwhDmG Want to read.
9:19 am AnassaRh: Note on chainmail: attended demo @ con. Demonstrator said chainmail was to stop from being cut by armor, not to deflect blows. #ufchat
9:20 am AnassaRh: Also, it’s bloody heavy. Seriously. No one would run in it without massive stamina. #ufchat
9:22 am AnassaRh: Q3: Again, I seem to agree with everyone. Would love fewer triangles, less abuse, more commitment. #ufchat
9:23 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh Protective clothing is heavier than most realize, weight plus layers makes U sweat – a LOT. #UFchat
9:23 am AnassaRh: I’d love to see awkwardness, missed connections, faux pas, rather than instant clicking. #ufchat
9:24 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh Ojne thing I didn’t get time to mention – would love to see more modern cities internationally, + mix US & Intl too #UFchat
9:25 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh The Chinese vamp – not the kappa (which I am using!) but…? Having mental block here. #UFchat
9:26 am AnassaRh: Q7: Overused locations: big cities. American and British cities. Interesting? Paris. Berlin. Prague. #ufchat
9:27 am AnassaRh: A UF writer with guts could tackle Dresden, Warsaw, Hamburg, and the WWII/Holocaust connections. #ufchat
9:28 am AnassaRh: I’d also like to see mid-population cities. Places that aren’t happening like Vegas, LA, NYC, but are still regional centers. #ufchat
9:28 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh And too – what’s NOT over used is making sure the places used have that unique ‘flavor’ of place beyond few landmarks. #UFchat
9:30 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh It’s happened in fiction (WWII connections) a lot but not so much in UF yet – happening more now than 2 yrs ago. #UFchat
9:30 am AnassaRh: @inkgypsy No, kappa’s Japanese. Chinese vamp = jiang shi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiang_Shi #ufchat
9:31 am AnassaRh: Oh! And I’d like to see more historical UF. I know of Victorian London and Jazz Age New York. There should be more. #ufchat
9:31 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh Thanks – knew kappa was Japanese (up on my research there) Just drew blank on the chinese version. #UFchat
9:32 am AnassaRh: @inkgypsy Ooh, mixing countries and cities would be cool! I’ve seen it once, but there are so many possibilities! #ufchat
9:33 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh Haven’t seen many snow based monsters either – or kitsune – would like to see more than snow-thugs of abominables 😀 #UFchat
9:33 am AnassaRh: @inkgypsy I know WWII’s cropped up in fiction, all over. UF ? not so much. Would have ample room for ghosts, if nothing else. #ufchat
9:33 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh Seriously! And doesn’t it make you want to write six books at once thinking about it?! #UFchat LOL (Mixing cities/countries)
9:34 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh There are a few P.N.Elrod’s of course, and the vamp during the 20’s – have to go look it up. #UFchat Also have a Nazi vamp bk here
9:35 am AnassaRh: Huh. Reading the Q7 comments further ? looks like I’m not the only one wanting smaller centers. Yay! #ufchat
9:38 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh Here’s a post suggesting 3 plus The Native Star (new rel.) but there are more: http://bit.ly/9WtIuh #UFchat (historical UF)
9:39 am AnassaRh: @inkgypsy Elrod? *notes* Any and all historical UF would be appreciated. (Want to write jazz age at some point.) #ufchat
9:40 am AnassaRh: @inkgypsy Thanks for the link! Moonshine and Native Star are already on TBR list! Other two to follow. 🙂 #ufchat
9:41 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh Moonshine looks interesting re roaring 20’s (see link I tweeted you) #UFchat Will have topic on historical UF soon.
9:41 am AnassaRh: @inkgypsy Going back to the snow-based monsters: Something like Anderson’s Snow Queen, maybe? #ufchat
9:42 am AnassaRh: RT @thedaisyharris: Y’know what you don’t see in written UF that is big in TV SF? Abvious race relation/class stratification metaphors. What gives? #UFchat
9:44 am AnassaRh: Q7a: I’ve seen a lot of alleys. As long as they’re not for cliché reasons, I’m cool though. Not tired of anything else?if done well. #ufchat
9:45 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh She’s a complex character (SQ) and could be used more (as could Baba Yaga’s complexities) but thinking Yuki-Onna #UFchat
9:46 am AnassaRh: Q7b: I’d like to see MCs who aren’t in law inforcement. You don’t have to be a cop/PI/agent to solve a mystery. #ufchat
9:47 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh Getting tired of the bars myself. Think it’s to do with the 20’s & younger MC crowd tho. #UFchat Pubs not so much. Diff atmosphere
9:48 am AnassaRh: I’d like to see either mundane jobs (secretary, retail) or uber-glamourous (rock star, actress). But with research, of course. #ufchat
9:50 am AnassaRh: @inkgypsy Ah yes. I’d forgotten about bars? #ufchat
9:52 am AnassaRh: Q8: I love when characters develop over a series, and when subplots do. Love knowing I’ll see the characters again. #ufchat
9:53 am AnassaRh: I get annoyed when the plots start growing similar. Keep feeling I’ve read them before, and too many similar lose my interest. #ufchat
9:54 am AnassaRh: I’m also annoyed when writers pull a twist partway through that propels the plot for another X books. Smacks of laziness. #ufchat
9:55 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh I must to bed – but great chatting with you for a bit! love your comments. #UFchat
9:55 am AnassaRh: I’d like to see more UF that’s actiony and thrilling, but lacks a mystery. Can we have quests? Coming of age? Coming to terms? #ufchat
9:57 am AnassaRh: @inkgypsy I must to bed soon too. You’ve kept me far too late! *yawns* Twas certainly great chatting. Thanks for staying. 🙂 #ufchat
9:58 am AnassaRh: Q9: I haven’t read enough UF in 3rd to do accurate comparison. Need more 3rd! #ufchat
9:59 am AnassaRh: Or mystery-UF, anyway. If we’re talking Gaiman, deLint, etc? Actually, I enjoy both about equally, I think. #ufchat
10:00 am AnassaRh: I like 1st person for the immediacy. I get in the characters’ heads more, feel more drawn into the mystery if done well. #ufchat
10:00 am AnassaRh: I also like how descriptions come across in 1st. I get a sense of the character from them, and a better image. #ufchat
10:02 am AnassaRh: 3rd’s good for being omniscient. I enjoy seeing the world from an outside perspective, and glimpsing multiple characters’ minds. #ufchat
10:02 am AnassaRh: I also think it’s pretty rare to find multiple POVs in first person, whereas they’re common in third. #ufchat
10:03 am AnassaRh: I think I agree with @UF_Chat‘s statement re: similar voices. I’ve noticed that too. Unique voices absorb me far more. #ufchat
10:05 am AnassaRh: Q9a: I prefer to think of UF attitude as “doing what has to be done, consequences be damned”. FU strikes me as too angry-girl. #ufchat
10:13 am AnassaRh: And that’s it for me for tonight. Will have to mull over final question and comment later. Know I have wishes, can’t think of them? #ufchat
12:38 pm simonm223: @AbassaRh I’ve seen multiple PoV work in first person recently, find it a little disjointed to be honest. #ufchat
4:51 pm leapetra: @annikkawoods @dianapfrancis @SateliteKnitter It is a tough question, maybe I will bring it up on the next #UFchat
5:43 pm LisaMBasso: RT @leapetra: practical vampire hunter wear. silver chain mail around exposed skin. Blessed leather Armor and wooden weapons. #ufchat
7:40 pm AnassaRh: Okay, final #UFChat thoughts incoming! Twas 3 am when I signed off, but I’m awake now.
7:42 pm AnassaRh: I would like to see UF become consistently well-written and well-plotted. I’d like to see it tackle more serious themes. #ufchat
7:43 pm AnassaRh: I’d like to see more multiculturalism?more races, more religions, clashes, acceptance, coexistence. #ufchat
7:44 pm AnassaRh: I’d like to see more locations. I’d like to see series that aren’t limited to a single city. #ufchat
7:45 pm AnassaRh: I’d like to see more series like Armstrong’s or Pratchett’s: multiple protags, multiple intra-series storylines, but a single world. #ufchat
7:46 pm AnassaRh: I’d like to see more logic + science. One article linked to @ end of chat was about scientist’s take on magic. I agree with writer. #ufchat
7:47 pm AnassaRh: I’d like to see UF explore the sci-fi boundary more. Right now it crosses with mystery, horror, romance. Fewer SFy ones. #ufchat
7:48 pm AnassaRh: And I’d like to see different kinds of powers, different monsters, MCs without enhancements. Also, stable relationships. #ufchat
7:51 pm AnassaRh: I think that’s all for wishes. Possibly I dream too big, but I hope not. Based on #ufchat comments, I think we’ll get there in a few years.
7:52 pm AnassaRh: @inkgypsy Oooh, Baba Yaga! And yeah, was thinking of Yuki-Onna too, but couldn’t retrieve name. #UFChat
September 6, 2010
4:09 am inkgypsy: Putting up #UFchat transcript soon -anyone want to add comments? Pet peeves we missed? Wish-lists for future UFs? Uses hashtag -will add. 🙂
4:43 am cindymariej: @inkgypsy On the topic of #UFchat , where do the boundaries between #UF and #fantasy blur? Is UF set in the world as we know it? #random
9:25 am UF_Chat: Had urgent things to take care of this evening (not a zombie apocalypse but almost!) – #UFchat transcript upload will happen tomorrow now.
9:25 am inkgypsy: Had urgent things to take care of this evening (not a zombie apocalypse but almost!) – #UFchat transcript upload will happen tomorrow now.
8:23 pm inkgypsy: THAT is hilarious! #UFchat RT @mudsock: @inkgypsy Dora the vampire slayer http://bit.ly/cC9WXQ
8:33 pm ShadowPhoenix32: @inkgypsy when is the next #UFchat going to be?
8:55 pm inkgypsy: @ShadowPhoenix32 Sorry! Thought I had replied. #UFchat is every Saturday at 3pm PST/ 6pm EST – topic usually announced day before. 🙂
9:19 pm inkgypsy: @leapetra Just read your question about naming businesses. I know some do – suggest write it that way then check before pubbing. #UFchat
9:24 pm inkgypsy: RT @leapetra: Thanks to #UFChat am now looking at other monsters over looked in the urban fantasy genre. Come on, the Mothman needs loving.
9:38 pm Jamgrrl: RT @inkgypsy: THAT is hilarious! #UFchat RT @mudsock: @inkgypsy Dora the vampire slayer http://bit.ly/cC9WXQ
10:02 pm inkgypsy: RT for #UFchat If I had a wish it would be that people explore various international monsters as they have vamps/weres/zombies -so unmined!
10:27 pm jbeemills: RT @inkgypsy: RT for #UFchat If I had a wish it would be that people explore various international monsters as they have vamps/weres/zombies -so unmined!
10:44 pm inkgypsy: UF pet peeve: When tons of monsters are crammed into a story – like populating your book with every race/minority – overkill. #UFchat
10:50 pm ShadowPhoenix32: #UFchat i like the idea of a half-breed MC, but i don’t want to do any cliche hybrids like demons, vampires, elves, fairies. thoughts? (1/2)
10:51 pm ShadowPhoenix32: (2/2) #UFchat i kind of like the idea of a human/angel hybrid. i don’t think i’ve ever read one before
10:59 pm inkgypsy: @ShadowPhoenix32 Angels = rising trend but yet to catch up on it. What kind of half-breed interests U? What kind of powers/problems? #UFchat
11:03 pm inkgypsy: Important thing I’ve gleaned from #UFchat last 2 wks: plenty of room still for some UF standards/cliches – just make them fresh, mix it up.
11:05 pm inkgypsy: It won’t satisfy everyone, but then what book could? #UFchat Impossible 2 incorporate all wish-lists/should be. Writing well = best solution
September 7, 2010
12:38 am inkgypsy: UF people should be aware of this online source: Monstropedia http://bit.ly/cecGRC #UFchat
12:41 am HC_Palmquist: RT @inkgypsy: UF people should be aware of this online source: Monstropedia http://bit.ly/cecGRC #UFchat
12:46 am wulfshado: RT @inkgypsy: UF people should be aware of this online source: Monstropedia http://bit.ly/cecGRC #UFchat
12:46 am jolantru: RT @inkgypsy: UF people should be aware of this online source: Monstropedia http://bit.ly/cecGRC #UFchat
12:52 am jflamingo2: RT @inkgypsy: UF people should be aware of this online source: Monstropedia http://bit.ly/cecGRC #UFchat
12:54 am sarahcoldheart: RT @inkgypsy: UF people should be aware of this online source: Monstropedia http://bit.ly/cecGRC #UFchat
1:06 am tadbo: Sweet! *bookmarks* RT @inkgypsy: UF people should be aware of this online source: Monstropedia http://bit.ly/cecGRC #UFchat
1:09 am inkgypsy: #UFchat alert! RT @leapetra I love mosterpedia. Watch my blog (this) week-putting up some creatures from folklore overlook(ed) in UF
1:14 am ShadowPhoenix32: @inkgypsy #ufchat monstropedia is one of my favorite resources
1:18 am inkgypsy: Just read about a vampire that turns into either a ball of fire or a turkey to gain access to a house… Thanksgiving revenge? #UFchat
1:20 am Saffy: Is #UFchat still on?
1:23 am ShadowPhoenix32: @inkgypsy i just read about a vampire that changes like that, can’t remember what it’s called though #ufchat
1:27 am inkgypsy: @ShadowPhoenix32 The ‘tlaciques’ – Mexican/Aztec female vamp. #UFchat (turkey or ball of fire instead of bat)
1:34 am inkgypsy: @Saffy Feel free to add your thoughts – use the hashtag #UFchat & I’ll add them to the transcript. Topic was pet peeves of UF & what U want.
1:44 am hashtager: # @Saffy Feel free to add your thoughts – use the hashtag #UFchat & I’ll add them to the transcript. Topic was pet peeves of UF & what…
3:52 am HP4Writers: RT @inkgypsy UF people should be aware of this online source: Monstropedia http://bit.ly/cecGRC #UFchat
8:40 am leapetra: Mari Miniatt: These Creatures are Up for Adoption. part 1 http://bit.ly/dwGlJL #UFChat #folklore
8:44 am MariMiniatt: These Creatures are Up for Adoption. part 1: In a recent #UFchat on Twitter, pet peeves of the Urban Fantasy genre… http://bit.ly/9WcnJw
12:22 pm SpiceBites: @inkgypsy Thanks for posting #ufchat recap!
2:06 pm leapetra: Mari Miniatt: These Creatures are Up for Adoption. part 1 http://bit.ly/dwGlJL #UFChat #folklore #monsters
2:11 pm P_Nottingham: RT @leapetra: Mari Miniatt: These Creatures are Up for Adoption. part 1 http://bit.ly/dwGlJL #UFChat #folklore #monsters
9:44 pm leapetra: These Creatures are Up for Adoption. part 1 http://bit.ly/dwGlJL #UFChat #folklore #monsters #fantasy
11:31 pm inkgypsy: Humans are people too! #UFchat RT @LucienneDiver: Guest blogger today @Rob_Thurman with “Diversity in Urban Fantasy” http://bit.ly/bdKqoC
11:42 pm inkgypsy: Problem: ‘whatthehashtag’ will NOT show Saturday’s #UFchat today either! The more time goes by the less likely too. Arg! Suggestions?
11:45 pm inkgypsy: @WookiesGirl I’ve been trying to retrieve the transcript for Saturday’s #UFchat since yesterday but it’s only showing Sun, Mon on. Help!
11:55 pm J_GriffinB: What is the average word count of a UF novel? #ufchat

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END OF TRANSCRIPT FOR SEPTEMBER 4th, 2010

Again people are scribbling ideas, revisiting their WIPs and blogging thoughtfully after this chat!

Feel free to add thoughts and resources during the week as you think them or find them – just use the #UFchat hashtag so I can find them and add them to the discussion & transcript.

The “Published UF authors on Twitter” page for the blog (check the link at the very top of the page) is slowly growing (there are a LOT of UF authors on Twitter!) and it’s and linked it to a list on Twitter for easy following.

If you see someone you think should be on there, there’s a good chance I just haven’t gotten to adding them yet BUT please always feel free to add suggestions by @-ing @inkgypsy and I’ll add them to the list ASAP.

Stay tuned to @UF_Chat on Twitter for next weeks topic, countdowns and updates.

See you next week!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)

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