#UFchat – chat for urban fantasy writers

Transcript for August 28, 2010: Roasting the UF Genre – Pet Peeves & Wish Lists (Round 1)

Today was so busy we decided we’d continue with Round 2 next week. Some good meaty discussion today – both on the positives of UF as well as the cliches and what people think needs to change.

Writers especially will find this one a useful resource. πŸ™‚

TODAY’S TOPIC: UF – The Good, the Bad & the Untapped: Urban Fantasy Pet Peeves & Wish Lists

Big thanks today to @Abigail_ATUF for permission to use the catchy β€˜Urban Fantasy Pet Peeves’ phrase.

VampBookClub: RT @UF_Chat: 1 hr till #UFchat! The UF genre customer complaints window is open! Bring pet peeves & other monsters for skewering & roasting. 3pm PST
9:27 pm UF_Chat: Primer for #UFchat early birds: please take a look at article When Things Go Wrong by Carrie Vaughan http://bit.ly/aKOvKb #UFchat
9:27 pm inkgypsy: Primer for #UFchat early birds: please take a look at article When Things Go Wrong by Carrie Vaughan http://bit.ly/aKOvKb #UFchat
9:34 pm marirandomities: RT @inkgypsy: for #UFchat early birds: please take a look at article When Things Go Wrong by Carrie Vaughan http://bit.ly/aKOvKb #ufchat
9:35 pm MindyRuiz: RT @UF_Chat: Primer 4 #UFchat early birds: please take a look @ article When Things Go Wrong by Carrie Vaughan http://bit.ly/aKOvKb #UFchat
9:44 pm tadbo: RT @UF_Chat: Primer for #UFchat early birds: please look at article When Things Go Wrong by Carrie Vaughan http://bit.ly/aKOvKb #UFchat
9:45 pm UF_Chat: 15 mins till #UFchat! Going to go file my teeth to sharper points. Tearing into UF genre pet peeves. Should get good & gory… πŸ˜‰ 3pm PST
9:45 pm inkgypsy: 15 mins till #UFchat! Going to go file my teeth to sharper points. Tearing into UF genre pet peeves. Should get good & gory… πŸ˜‰ 3pm PST
9:51 pm leapetra: Honey the cat might be joining me on #ufchat. She wants to sit between me and the screen all of a sudden.
9:54 pm shadowflame1974: RT @inkgypsy: 15 mins till #UFchat! Going to go file my teeth to sharper points. Tearing into UF genre pet peeves. Should get good & gory… πŸ˜‰ 3pm PST
9:54 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: #UFChat My blog is has the US cover for my book 2 and the UK cover for book 1 http://temporarilysignificant.blogspot.com/ Pos. relevent.
9:58 pm UF_Chat: It?s a goggles & pointy-weapons day today in #UFchat! We?re scrutinizing clichΓ©s, poking standards & pushing boundaries. Come armed. #UFchat
9:59 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @UF_Chat: It?s a goggles & pointy-weapons day today in #UFchat! We?re scrutinizing clichΓ©s, poking standards & pushing boundaries. Come armed. #UFchat
9:59 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @inkgypsy Try this http://bit.ly/cBbdRp and http://bit.ly/cHXrrB #ufchat
9:59 pm inkgypsy: Changing to my other identity as #UFchat mod – boots, goggles, teeth & spork ready for dissection today! i minute to go!
10:00 pm UF_Chat: 3, 2… and we are now live with #UFchat! What do you love, what are you sick of, what do you want more of? Pet Peeves & Wish Lists today!
10:00 pm leapetra: Made it! #ufchat
10:00 pm rcmurphy: RT @UF_Chat: It?s a goggles & pointy-weapons day today in #UFchat! We?re scrutinizing clichΓ©s, poking standards & pushing boundaries. Come armed. #UFchat
10:00 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: #UFChat I love saturday night!
10:00 pm UF_Chat: Hello everyone! We’re live and happening. Join in – bring your complaints – on forks please. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:00 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat can we stop with the leather bound women on the covers #ufchat
10:01 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: #UFChat Peeves: Flat Earth Athiests http://bit.ly/9Ecdqh , wangst http://bit.ly/9yIoBR and vangst (which is vampires wangsting).
10:01 pm UF_Chat: @rcmurphy I can see you! Yay! #UFchat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: TODAY?S TOPIC: UF – The Good, the Bad & the Untapped: Urban Fantasy Pet Peeves & Wish Lists #UFchat
10:01 pm editorialdept: RT UF_Chat: It?s a pointy-weapons day today in #UFchat! We?re scrutinizing clichΓ©s, poking standards & pushing boundaries. Come armed.
10:01 pm UF_Chat: Big thanks today to @Abigail_ATUF for permission to use the catchy ?Urban Fantasy Pet Peeves? phrase. ? #UFchat
10:01 pm Cameron_Haley: Hi again, all. Looking forward to this one. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: We all know there R typical hallmarks of genres as well as evolving trends. Let?s consider the UF genre where it is ?now? mid-2010. #UFchat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley *waves* #UFchat
10:02 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat I came with my sharp, pointy…sharp-thingie….yeah, I just woke up, okay? #UFchat
10:02 pm amandabonilla: Hi all! This should be an interesting discussion! #ufchat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: Urban fantasy has lots of variety & draws a lot of diff. reader (& writer!) types. Let?s start positive. Q: what do you really LOVE? #UFchat
10:03 pm miranda00writes: @leapetra Aside from being on every freakin’ cover, leather doesn’t seem a practical clothing choice, particularly in warm climates #UFCHAT
10:03 pm rcmurphy: @UF_Chat Yay! But I have to work on my historical romance today. *pout* No #UFchat for me. Will read the transcript next week. Have fun.
10:03 pm Cameron_Haley: My biggest pet peeve is when people say “All urban fantasy is just ________.” So be warned! πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:03 pm UF_Chat: @HC_Palmquist Mr Pointy? Yeah – know what you mean. πŸ˜‰ (That’s a Buffy reference for all you naughty minded people!) #UFchat
10:03 pm shadowflame1974: Yea the leather-clad woman is a bit old. #UFchat
10:03 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat The genre is wide open, you can write about dragons in Nascar if you want #ufchat
10:03 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat I love the ability to immerse paranormal into the modern world. To use the familiar but make it weird. #UFchat
10:03 pm amandabonilla: I LOVE strong heroines. The sword-weilding, ass-kicking kind! #ufchat
10:03 pm VampBookClub: RT @UF_Chat: Urban fantasy has lots of variety & draws a lot of diff. types. Let?s start positive. Q: what do you really LOVE? #UFchat
10:04 pm UF_Chat: Here’s you’re chance to show your love for UF – soften them up and THEN we get out the teeth.. πŸ˜€ #UFchat
10:04 pm shadowflame1974: @miranda00writes #UFChat only place it seems fitting is bikers and cowboys
10:04 pm editorialdept: I love that UF is essentially “real world plus”. It’s things as we know it plus a nice kick of the unknown. #ufchat
10:04 pm amandabonilla: I love the integration of real-life, here and now with the fantastical. #ufchat
10:05 pm VampBookClub: Absolutely. RT @HC_Palmquist: I love the ability to immerse paranormal into the modern world. To use the familiar but make it weird. #UFchat
10:05 pm UF_Chat: I love our world with a twist… and not-afraid to show love for weapons girls. πŸ™‚ (and the boys who comes to respect that) #UFchat
10:05 pm UF_Chat: RT @editorialdept: I love that UF is essentially “real world plus”. Its things as we know it plus a nice kick of the unknown. #UFchat
10:05 pm amandabonilla: @shadowflame1974 haha! You should read JR Ward’s Black Dagger Brotherhood series! Lots of men in leather! YUM #ufchat
10:05 pm miranda00writes: Love the idea that world is a more fantastical than it appears to be #UFchat
10:05 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: I liked early Dresden’s private eye schtick. #UFChat
10:06 pm amandabonilla: RT @UF_Chat: I love our world with a twist… and not-afraid to show love for weapons girls. πŸ™‚ (and the boys who comes to respect that) #UFchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: @miranda00writes Gotta love the just around the corner stuff! πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: Time to pull out the big guns. Will tweet aspect & you tell me: what?s good, what?s bad, what?s ugly & what would be great to see! #UFchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: First a general question before we focus on some areas: Q: what are your UF pet peeves? #UFchat
10:06 pm editorialdept: Most readers I know love to daydream and good UF fits right into that “what if?” daydream. #ufchat
10:06 pm Cameron_Haley: I love modern twists on old legends, creatures and characters I’m familiar with but can discover in a new way. #UFchat
10:07 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch (Me too – love the whole detective noir thing) #UFchat
10:07 pm leapetra: The strong women types are great, but like that blog post said, only one strong woman #ufchat
10:07 pm marirandomities: Oh yeah. The covers are my greatest peeves. RT @leapetra: @UF_Chat can we stop with the leather bound women on the covers #ufchat
10:07 pm shadowflame1974: @amandabonilla on my wish list πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:07 pm amandabonilla: I also think UF allows for a story to evolve around a more than capable female. Not a damsel in distress #ufchat
10:08 pm LadyinGray: Hey,all! #ufchat newbie here. I’ve only got a few minutes before dinner guests arrive.
10:08 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat My biggest UF pet peeve is when the female heroine doesn’t have weaknesses or flaws. #UFchat
10:08 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley You’re speaking my language! (love mythology, folklore & the gritty old world fairy tales) UF = contemp equivalent #UFchat
10:08 pm leapetra: @marirandomities and the headless women, why crop their heads off? #ufchat
10:08 pm SpiceBites: I love that the women don’t wait around to be rescued and the men aren’t intimidated in #UFchat
10:08 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat that there is almost always some romantic aspect to the stories. yea, RW has a lot of it, but always?
10:08 pm HC_Palmquist: @LadyinGray Welcome and jump in as much as you can. What’s for dinner? #UFchat
10:08 pm amandabonilla: @LadyinGray *waves* HI! πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:08 pm editorialdept: Peeve – brooding, sullen, but oh-so-irresistable characters. We get it – immotality/shapeshifting’s a drag. YAWN. #ufchat
10:08 pm UF_Chat: FYI We’ll be looking at 2 aspects today 1) the UF image (includes marketing) & 2) the stories/content #UFchat
10:08 pm Satin420: RT @leapetra: The strong women types are great, but like that blog post said, only one strong woman #ufchat
10:09 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @editorialdept: Peeve – brooding, sullen, but oh-so-irresistable characters. We get it – immotality/shapeshifting’s a drag. YAWN. #ufchat
10:09 pm VampBookClub: Often in UF we get one strong woman, but several strong men. Would it be so bad to have multiple badass women in a single novel? #ufchat
10:09 pm UF_Chat: @LadyinGray Hey! Jump in for as long as you can. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:09 pm RoxanneRhoads: #UFchat I hate it when the heroine is so stuck on her imperfections, flaws, or weaknesses that she is always whining about them
10:09 pm editorialdept: (ahem – immoRtality) #ufchat
10:09 pm readinasitting: RT @UF_Chat: Urban fantasy has lots of variety & draws a lot of diff. types. Let?s start positive. Q: what do you really LOVE? #UFchat
10:09 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @editorialdept Vangst #UFchat
10:10 pm UF_Chat: RT @editorialdept: Peeve – brooding, sullen, but oh-so-irresistable characters. We get it – immotality/shapeshifting’s a drag. YAWN. #ufchat
10:10 pm LadyinGray: @amandabonilla Hey there, uber awesome crit partner #ufchat
10:10 pm leapetra: Fav UF story, written by Tee Morris. “Billibub Baddings and the Case of the Singing Sword” Dwarf PI in Chicago. two strong women! #ufchat
10:10 pm marirandomities: @leapetra The head is not important, don’t you see? lol #ufchat
10:10 pm amandabonilla: @VampBookClub Though I try to include other strong female characters, I think a lot of UF shows a girl who can “hang with the boys” #ufchat
10:10 pm UF_Chat: Once again: We?ll look at 2 aspects: 1) the image/the look of UF and 2) the writing/ the stories/ the content. Ready? Questions next #UFchat
10:10 pm editorialdept: I see a lot of ass-kicking heroines, but not often a focus on brains over brawn. Would love to see more MacGyver types vs. Rambos. #ufchat
10:11 pm marirandomities: RT @UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley love mythology, folklore & the gritty old world fairy tales UF = contemp equivalent #ufchat
10:11 pm LadyinGray: @HC_Palmquist BBQ–and hubby’s the chef tonight πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:11 pm miranda00writes: HOLY CRAP, so many tweets I can’t keep up #UFChat
10:11 pm SpiceBites: The villains are more interesting. Thinking of Ilona Andrews here. #UFchat
10:11 pm HC_Palmquist: @editorialdept OOH!!! That would be AWESOME! Love MacGyver. #UFchat
10:11 pm editorialdept: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: @editorialdept Vangst <<ha! Yes! That sums it up perfectly. #ufchat
10:11 pm jimnduncan: Personally, I love writing the flawed characters who aren’t initally strong enough to handle the paranormal elements. #ufchat
10:11 pm marirandomities: RT @editorialdept: Peeve – brooding, sullen, but oh-so-irresistable characters. We get it – immotality/shapeshiftings a drag. YAWN. #ufchat
10:11 pm UF_Chat: Starting positive again (sometimes harder to think on good) Q1: UF covers: The blurbs, the tag lines & the images: what?s to love? #UFchat
10:11 pm HC_Palmquist: @miranda00writes Hop into http://tweetchat.com/room/UFchat. Much easier to follow along. #UFchat
10:12 pm LadyinGray: @amandabonilla @vampbookclub I’m cool w/ a girl being in a “boys” club, but I get irritated when all the boys fall for the 1 girl #ufchat
10:12 pm Jinxie_G: I’m late for #UFchat. Be on when I catch my breath.
10:12 pm editorialdept: Cover art & blurbs: I love the touch of noir. It promises a great story within. #ufchat
10:12 pm UF_Chat: @jimnduncan Nice! Looking forward to reading some of that. Tired of completely capable people who just whine. #UFchat
10:13 pm HoodedMan: What is generally lacking? Realism #UFchat
10:13 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat With Billibub Baddings and the Case of the Singing Sword The noir aspects of the story were the best. #ufchat
10:13 pm Cameron_Haley: Re: covers…UF sells well enough that publishers are getting fantastic artists doing really excellent work. Even headless women. #UFchat
10:13 pm RoxanneRhoads: #UFchat I love strong heroines that accept their weaknesses & flaws- moving past them to become a kick ass save the world woman
10:13 pm amandabonilla: @LadyinGray Agreed. I think a lot of us who write UF were/are probably more social with men than women. We’re just grown-up tomboys #ufchat
10:13 pm leapetra: RT @jimnduncan: Personally, I love writing the flawed characters who arent initally strong enough to handle the paranormal elements. #ufchat
10:13 pm VampBookClub: @amandabonilla I get that and relate to it, but often other female characters are simple. #ufchat
10:13 pm UF_Chat: Does anyone like ANYTHING about the covers? #UFchat
10:14 pm entre_libros: RT @UF_Chat: TODAY?S TOPIC: UF – The Good, the Bad & the Untapped: Urban Fantasy Pet Peeves & Wish Lists #UFchat
10:14 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley That’s a good point. #UFchat
10:14 pm RoxanneRhoads: #UFchat I also love new twists on old stories & myths, great world building, & I am always ready for something new & out of the ordinary
10:14 pm brimfire: @Cameron_Haley Ha! I love headless women covers. They let me make up on my own what the heroine looks like. #ufchat #UFchat
10:14 pm VampBookClub: @amandabonilla Maybe it is more that a second stronger woman is automatically a challenge is my issue. #ufchat
10:14 pm leapetra: Are their any heroines that have to face the monsters and get their kids to school, if not, I might have another novel idea #ufchat
10:14 pm UF_Chat: S: Fall 2010 fantasy cover trends by The Enchanted Inkpot http://bit.ly/becvuS (With nice visual summary) #UFchat
10:14 pm UF_Chat: S: Recently making rounds: The Chart of Fantasy Art: changing fashion trends of UF heroines (by Orbit books) http://bit.ly/bN4wq3 #UFchat
10:15 pm UF_Chat: S: The Chart of Fantasy Art Pt 4: UF Title Trends & Fonts (by Orbit books) http://bit.ly/aqjoof #UFchat
10:15 pm amandabonilla: @VampBookClub Agreed! I think that’s something we as writers can address and remedy! #ufchat
10:15 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat There are some creative covers, but like with vampires, the companies are throwing copycat covers out there #ufchat
10:15 pm marirandomities: I like artistic covers with illustrations, not photos. I think it’s rare on the US though. #ufchat
10:15 pm HoodedMan: @marirandomities Immortality would be great, in most cases, of course. Most paranormal people in any fiction are way too mundane #UFchat
10:15 pm editorialdept: @leapetra wasn’t there that demon killing soccer mom series? Haven’t read it, but have seen the covers… #ufchat
10:15 pm shadowflame1974: RT @UF_Chat: S: The Chart of Fantasy Art Pt 4: UF Title Trends & Fonts (by Orbit books) http://bit.ly/aqjoof #UFchat
10:15 pm brimfire: @UF_Chat Honestly, I ❀ most UF covers. I like solo woman on cover with weapons/magic like Kim Harrison, Patricia Briggs etc #UFchat
10:15 pm UF_Chat: Q1a: UF covers: The blurbs, the tag lines & the images: what?s to hate/the ugly? (Now you can go to town on the peeves!) #UFchat
10:15 pm VampBookClub: RT @RoxanneRhoads: #UFchat I love strong heroines that accept their weaknesses & flaws- moving past them to become a kick ass save the world woman
10:16 pm leapetra: @editorialdept cool I will have to find that one #ufchat
10:16 pm amandabonilla: I’m liking that heroines on UF covers are less scantilly clad and wearing battle-ready ensembles! #ufchat
10:16 pm Cameron_Haley: I actually think the “back of woman with tattoo” phase is over. Look at the covers (inc. mine!) out this summer/fall. #UFchat
10:16 pm HoodedMan: @marirandomities Describing immortals and witches and bunch longing for “a normal life” is ridiculous, in my eyes #UFchat
10:16 pm UF_Chat: @marirandomities Also find photos intrusive. Impression stays, Very hard to get beyond & form own impressions even if good writing. #UFchat
10:16 pm brimfire: @editorialdept I think the demon killer soccer mom series by Julie Kenner. I read/enjoyed different series of hers. #UFchat
10:17 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley Agree – tats are on the way out – it’s abs now apparently. sigh. #UFchat
10:17 pm marirandomities: Nice! RT @UF_Chat: S: Fall 2010 fantasy cover trends by The Enchanted Inkpot http://bit.ly/becvuS (With nice visual summary) #ufchat
10:17 pm leapetra: What is it with all the great looking demons, vampires, werewolves, etc. Could we have one nerdy one? πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:17 pm LadyinGray: From a YA POV, I like the covers of Lili St. Crow’s STRANGE ANGELS (esp. the first book). Heroine looking ready to kick butt #ufchat
10:17 pm amandabonilla: RT @HoodedMan: @marirandomities Describing immortals and witches and bunch longing for “a normal life” is ridiculous, in my eyes #UFchat
10:17 pm shadowflame1974: @HoodedMan #ufchat why would it be ridiculous when we want to have powers like they do #UFchat
10:17 pm thedragongem: SInce I read a lot of ebooks I hardly pay attention to the covers anymore but it has made me read books I wouldn’t have read #UFchat
10:18 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley Your 1st cover refreshingly different. Was surprised by 2nd tho – didn’t quite look like same series. Tho nice still. #UFchat
10:18 pm LiaKeyes: RT @UF_Chat: S: Fall 2010 fantasy cover trends by The Enchanted Inkpot http://bit.ly/becvuS (With nice visual summary) #UFchat
10:18 pm SpiceBites: Like covers focusing on the elements, esp. water or fire. #UFchat #UFchat
10:18 pm RoxanneRhoads: @UF_Chat #UFchat I love book covers, especially ones that really stand out but that are not misleading, Nightshade is a great cover
10:18 pm Cameron_Haley: @UF_Chat LOL. No abs in MOB RULES, Stewart’s A DEVIL IN THE DETAILS, Stacia’s Downside, etc. #UFchat
10:18 pm marirandomities: @UF_Chat There’s also the bad quality assembling. blegh #ufchat
10:18 pm editorialdept: @leapetra oh, yes please! It’s time for some nerdy UF heroes/heroines. #ufchat
10:18 pm amandabonilla: @UF_Chat And why so much flesh on these covers? My heroine would find the lack of clothing completely impractical #ufchat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: Anybody commenting on the blurbs/back cover summaries? (I know it’s hard to get past the visuals) #UFchat
10:19 pm Cameron_Haley: @UF_Chat Model change from book one to book two, same artist (Tim Bradstreet). #UFchat
10:19 pm RoxanneRhoads: #UFchat I absolutely love Jeaniene Frost’s Night huntress series covers- orginal art made just for the books & they fit the stories
10:19 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept He he – nerdy UF heros/heroines #UFchat
10:19 pm marirandomities: @HoodedMan I’m not so sure about the immortals. Or maybe they all would long for death? The witches would long for immortality, heh. #ufchat
10:20 pm amandabonilla: Patricia Briggs cover art is brilliant! I know… tattoos. But they tell a story so it totally fits #ufchat
10:20 pm UF_Chat: Personally I do NOT like it when blurb weights romance factor too much (or too little). ie. doesn’t reflect focus of book. Annoying. #UFchat
10:20 pm LadyinGray: @amandabonilla Exposed skin = chink in armor IMHO. Don’t know too many heroines who’d actually fight in that bustier. #ufchat
10:20 pm Cameron_Haley: Re: nerdy heroes. Read A DEVIL IN THE DETAILS! Somewhat geeky modern-day samurai who fights demons. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:20 pm brimfire: @UF_Chat Linnea Sinclair’s Rebels&Lovers had a nerdy hero. It’s sci-fi romance, but basically UF in space. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:20 pm amandabonilla: @RoxanneRhoads I love Frost’s covers as well! #ufchat
10:20 pm SpiceBites: @UF Chat since many of the cover run together, i pick books based on back cover blurbs & quick read of 1st page#UFchat #UFchat
10:21 pm jimnduncan: @amandabonilla lol agree. My heroine wears jeans, hiking boots and a bomber jacket, not half-naked with tattoos. #ufchat
10:21 pm amandabonilla: @LadyinGray EXACTLY! Steel-toed boots and plenty of skin covering, please! #ufchat
10:21 pm brimfire: I agree the cover clothing is impractical but if bk doesn’t have that look now, I tend to think it’s not the type of book I’ll like. #UFchat
10:21 pm inkgypsy: RT @Cameron_Haley: Re: nerdy heroes. Read A DEVIL IN THE DETAILS! Somewhat geeky modern-day samurai who fights demons. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:22 pm marirandomities: @UF_Chat I find the blurbs mostly boring. Same formula over and over again. #ufchat
10:22 pm UF_Chat: Q1b: UF covers: cover vs content? How do you feel they reflect – accurate, not? Love? Hate? #UFchat
10:22 pm SpiceBites: @amandabonilla Totally agree on Patricia Briggs covers. Also Marjorie M Liu’s. As long as the art fits the story. #UFchat
10:23 pm VampBookClub: RT @UF_Chat: Personally I do NOT like it when blurb weights romance factor too much (or too little). ie. doesn’t reflect focus of book. Annoying. #UFchat
10:23 pm marirandomities: Agreed! RT @editorialdept: @leapetra oh, yes please! Its time for some nerdy UF heroes/heroines. #ufchat
10:23 pm brimfire: @marirandomities I don’t really care what blurbs say; the author blurbing them, though, can make me buy a book #UFchat
10:23 pm LadyinGray: All right. My guests are here. Time to check out. Hopefully, I can sign in for a future #ufchat
10:23 pm amandabonilla: Sometimes the cover art doesn’t do justice to the story. I always read at least the first chapter & never decide based on cover art #ufchat
10:23 pm UF_Chat: @marirandomities Agree many blurbs that way – it’s not the paranormal/half-whatever that’s interesting – it’s the person’s conflict. #UFchat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: @LadyinGray Bye! Thanks for dropping in. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:24 pm amandabonilla: @LadyinGray Talk to you later! Have a fun evening! #ufchat
10:24 pm HoodedMan: I think it’s ridiculous that anyone would want what goes for normal life these days, though… #UFchat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: @brimfire This is one of reasons I rely on reviews a lot. Rarely buy without review or author blogged on their book’s process now. #UFchat
10:25 pm leapetra: RT @HoodedMan: I think its ridiculous that anyone would want what goes for normal life these days, though… #ufchat
10:25 pm SpiceBites: @HoodedMan Define normal life #UFchat
10:25 pm amandabonilla: @HoodedMan Which is why we read/write UF. Normal just doesn’t cut it! #ufchat
10:25 pm HoodedMan: I write about special people that know the value of independence and freedom beyond words #UFchat
10:25 pm UF_Chat: FIXER QUESTION: Q1c: UF covers: what do you think is untapped? What would you like to see instead? #UFchat
10:26 pm Cameron_Haley: @UF_Chat More action, less runway posing. #UFchat
10:26 pm marirandomities: @brimfire @UF_Chat Problem is the language used in formulaic blurbs: When heroin goes to… X happens. I don’t like it. #ufchat
10:26 pm thedragongem: I’d like to see the villian. #UFchat
10:26 pm amandabonilla: @UF_Chat Fully clothed women in practical battle gear. Still looks sexy IMO. #ufchat
10:27 pm UF_Chat: Did I stump y’all? He he. I’d suggest people in action, less ‘posing’. #UFchat
10:27 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley Oo – I just tweeted similar. #UFchat
10:27 pm kjhatch: A1b: I haven’t found UF covers to be that accurate, but honestly I have the same complaint about other genres too. #UFChat
10:27 pm Cameron_Haley: @UF_Chat Yes, we agree! πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:27 pm UF_Chat: @thedragongem Interesting – want to see the threat – might be tough since not always obvious… interesting challenge! #UFchat
10:28 pm amandabonilla: Also, I’d like to see more characters on a cover. Besides just the MC. Maybe an ensemble cover. #ufchat
10:28 pm SpiceBites: Fully clothed women can be sexy and display common sense. As a reader I can relate more. #UFchat
10:28 pm UF_Chat: Q2: Re image/marketing: (writing next) UF creatures featured: which ones are overexposed/ overused? What are you sick of and why? #UFchat
10:28 pm Cameron_Haley: *picks up book to look at page 90* #UFchat
10:28 pm thedragongem: You could always make it shady or in shadows. Make it interesting trying to figure out who it is. #UFchat
10:28 pm leapetra: How about a woman in full gear, running through a supermarket! #ufchat
10:29 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley He – I’m a big user of the ‘look inside’ feature when buying online too. #UFchat
10:29 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat Vampires (And I write about them, sigh) #ufchat
10:29 pm marirandomities: @leapetra Why is 90 the magic number? #ufchat
10:29 pm jimnduncan: @UF_Chat I’ve not read enough to be sick of any yet. #ufchat
10:29 pm SpiceBites: I’m going to have to try the Pg 90 test! πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:29 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra I have images of toppling orange stacks… LOL #UFchat
10:29 pm editorialdept: Another thought on bookcovers – does anything ever happen in daylight? Seems they’re always twilight/night/fog #ufchat
10:29 pm kjhatch: A1c: Animated covers. I’ve noticed with ebooks I have started to ignore covers in general. Animation would make covers cool again. #UFChat
10:30 pm marirandomities: Absolutely. πŸ™‚ RT @UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley He – Im a big user of the look inside feature when buying online too. #ufchat
10:30 pm leapetra: @marirandomities it was suggest to me along time ago, that or page 200. #ufchat
10:30 pm thedragongem: I want to see more UF heroes with animal sidekicks/familiars. #UFchat
10:30 pm SpiceBites: Show more of the world. #UFchat
10:30 pm UF_Chat: Still on image/marketing – focusing on creatures. What are you tired of – and more importantly: why in particular? #UFchat
10:30 pm SkullJuggler: RT @editorialdept: Peeve – brooding, sullen, but oh-so-irresistable characters. We get it – immotality/shapeshifting’s a drag. YAWN. #ufchat
10:30 pm HoodedMan: @leapetra that IS good advice. 2 me it’s usually sufficient with the 1. paragraph test, though, & then I may move on 2 page 90 #UFchat
10:30 pm SkullJuggler: RT @editorialdept: I see a lot of ass-kicking heroines, but not often a focus on brains over brawn. Would love to see more MacGyver types vs. Rambos. #ufchat
10:31 pm Cameron_Haley: @editorialdept Hello! Look at avatar to the left…daylight! #UFchat
10:31 pm marirandomities: Haha, great imagery! RT @leapetra: How about a woman in full gear, running through a supermarket! #ufchat
10:31 pm melk_va: Completely agree with you *nods* RT @RoxanneRhoads #UFchat I love strong heroines that accept their weaknesses & (cont) http://tl.gd/3cksej
10:31 pm SkullJuggler: RT @editorialdept: Here’s a slightly less common peeve – monsters/characters on the cover that do not resemble those in the book at all! #ufchat
10:31 pm leapetra: covers: Get out of the cemeteries! #ufchat
10:31 pm marirandomities: @leapetra I’ll have to try that. πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:31 pm amandabonilla: @editorialdept I think it’s because most of the action in UF happens at night. We just love the dark πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
10:31 pm UF_Chat: @kjhatch I’ve noticed ‘chick lit UF’ (is there such a sub-genre?) is using cartoony covers a lot now – hot trend since the Hot Mama. #UFchat
10:31 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: I’d like something stark like the good modern penguin covers. #ufchat
10:32 pm SkullJuggler: RT @editorialdept: Another thought on bookcovers – does anything ever happen in daylight? Seems they’re always twilight/night/fog #ufchat
10:32 pm editorialdept: @amandabonilla I think we’re all night owl authors πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:32 pm jimnduncan: @SkullJuggler OH! MacGuyver type heroine would be awesome. #ufchat
10:32 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley I particularly like yours has daylight – how can you have a UF in LA without sun? Seriously. Good call by your team. #UFchat
10:33 pm kjhatch: A2: I’m tired of seeing anthropomorphic half-human creatures that basically are people except in some small visual way. #UFChat
10:33 pm editorialdept: RT @jimnduncan: @SkullJuggler OH! MacGuyver type heroine would be awesome. <<already sketching out a plot πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:33 pm HoodedMan: Covers should say something specific about the story, but most suffer from what I call the scantly clad female on the hood syndrome #UFchat
10:33 pm UF_Chat: @amandabonilla We do love dark (total night creature here) but cannot avoid sun altogether. See @Cameron_Haley‘s bk: sun yet ‘dark’! #UFchat
10:34 pm SpiceBites: To me the soccer mom series was chick lit in the next stage UF. JMO. #UFchat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: @jimnduncan Shh! Workin’ on it. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: Q2a: Vampires. (You knew it was coming) Lots say ?enough already? ? why do you REALLY think many are sick of them? #UFchat
10:34 pm kjhatch: It’s basically no better than “forehead ridges” to make an alien. Maybe great for cosplayers, but bad for character. #UFChat
10:35 pm HoodedMan: That (female on the hood syndrome) doesn’t make me buy a buy a book, or even show interest, but turns me off, really #UFchat
10:35 pm Cameron_Haley: @UF_Chat Solve the daylight scarcity in UF and you’ll solve the abundance of vampires, too. Unless they’re sparkly vampires. #UFchat
10:35 pm marirandomities: RT @HoodedMan: Covers shd say something about story, but most suffer from what I call the scantly clad female on the hood syndrome #ufchat
10:35 pm UF_Chat: @kjhatch Good observation. (forehead ridges = shorthand for alien equivalent) #UFchat
10:36 pm jimnduncan: Curious why we can’t have covers that depict a particularly telling scene from the story. #ufchat
10:36 pm kjhatch: @UF_Chat I’m sure ‘chick lit UF’ is easy to categorize πŸ˜‰ Covers change with trends too easily, like all the Twilight-styles ones #UFchat
10:36 pm editorialdept: Readers are more sick of vampire *cliches* than vampires. That’s my experience. Enough brooding and rampant sex appeal, already. #ufchat
10:37 pm SpiceBites: LOL! It must be hard for writers of vampire stories in the aftermath of Twilight and sparkly vamps. Loved her werewolves tho. #UFchat
10:37 pm leapetra: @editorialdept leave that for TV #ufchat
10:37 pm thedragongem: Yes bring on the scary vamps. #UFchat
10:37 pm UF_Chat: Personally tired of emo-monsters. The big bad can now (often) be reasoned with/cajoled etc. Not true threat. #UFchat
10:37 pm amandabonilla: Have to bow out a little early today. Thanks for a great chat. Hope to see you all next week! #ufchat
10:37 pm leapetra: @SpiceBites It is, but when you connect to the people that want something different, they are gratful #ufchat
10:38 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @jimnduncan Does your book suit a stark cover? #ufchat
10:38 pm UF_Chat: @amandabonilla Bye! Sorry you’ll miss the meat. It’s gonna be chunky. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:38 pm HoodedMan: Many are sick of vampires in recent books/films because those from those books/films aren’t truly described as vampires #UFchat
10:38 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat How about they listen to your reasons and still rip you apart? πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:38 pm amandabonilla: @UF_Chat HA! No doubt! I’ll definitely catch the transcript. Thanks for hosting! #ufchat
10:39 pm UF_Chat: I’m on the ‘bring back the monsters’ team too. #UFchat
10:39 pm HoodedMan: Vampires are very interesting to both authors and readers, IF they are described as vampires… #UFchat
10:39 pm bonn1511: #ufchat I made it. What did I miss?
10:39 pm editorialdept: Here’s a related question – think of your favorite UF books. Do they break new ground or use cliches? Cliches aren’t always bad. #ufchat
10:39 pm UF_Chat: @HoodedMan Yes – they’ve essentially taken away their teeth (& therefore their mythological resonance). 😦 #UFchat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: Q2b: Werewolves. (The 2nd most commonly used ?monster?) same Q ? why are people REALLY sick of them? #UFchat
10:40 pm kjhatch: @jimnduncan Don’t know if this still holds true, but read years ago that many cover artists never read the story, work from summary #ufchat
10:40 pm Cameron_Haley: @editorialdept Fine line between cliches and genre tropes and conventions. Trick is to use them in a fresh way, I think. #UFchat
10:41 pm thedragongem: Love True Blood but afraid to read the books in case the tv series disappoints. #UFchat
10:41 pm HoodedMan: That leaves out children books. A vampire story that isn’t gory or/and raunchy just isn’t a vampire story #UFchat
10:41 pm shadowflame1974: They are sick of them because no one takes a different approach to them. #UFchat. #UFchat
10:41 pm SpiceBites: My fav. cliche/idea: magic has a cost to the user. #UFchat
10:41 pm UF_Chat: @marirandomities Pleasantly surprised. The vamps/others are still pretty scary – (haven’t seen this season tho. sigh. Miss HBO) #UFchat
10:41 pm bonn1511: @marirandomities I prefer the books myself. #ufchat
10:41 pm jimnduncan: @Ben_Aaronovitch I like to think so. It leans more in the noir/thriller direction than paranormal. #ufchat
10:41 pm kjhatch: @UF_Chat Scifi gets a lot of flak for having unrealistic aliens, but I don’t see why the same standards don’t hold for fantasy too. #UFchat
10:41 pm Cameron_Haley: I think the number of genre readers who *aren’t* sick of vampires and werewolves vastly outnumbers those who are. #UFchat
10:42 pm UF_Chat: @kjhatch I read that too – rarely get to read more than someone else’s summary – not even author’s summary much of the time. #UFchat
10:42 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat My fav, werewolf Sgt Angula from Discworld, strong female, vegetarian when human. #ufchat
10:42 pm marirandomities: @thedragongem I’m most curious about the books! Wouldn’t care for them if not for the TV series. Am afraid to like TV thing better.. #ufchat
10:42 pm thedragongem: I like werewolves and shifters…haven’t tired of them yet. #UFchat
10:42 pm marirandomities: Agreed. RT @HoodedMan: That leaves out children books. A vampire story that isnt gory or/and raunchy just isnt a vampire story #ufchat
10:42 pm jimnduncan: @kjhatch that wouldn’t surprise me at all. #ufchat
10:43 pm HoodedMan: RT @leapetra Werewolves are becoming the big pets, insulting to werewolves really. #ufchat // Oh, horror
10:43 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Agree – more doglike with bad tempers than wolfman monsters (of course actual wolves are pretty civilized in reality!) #UFchat
10:43 pm marirandomities: @UF_Chat Same here. I love the TV series! Did you read the books? #ufchat
10:43 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @jimnduncan Don’t tell anyone but I wanted a half naked woman with her back to the camera. #ufchat
10:43 pm editorialdept: @Cameron_Haley Agreed. Genre readers still love good stories. It’s the dabblers in genre that complain about x or y being overdone. #ufchat
10:43 pm SpiceBites: Woot! Another vote for Sgt Angula from Disc World, also love Patricia Briggs Omega & Alpha series. #UFchat
10:43 pm marirandomities: Why is that? RT @bonn1511: @marirandomities I prefer the books myself. #ufchat
10:43 pm UF_Chat: @marirandomities You might – they’re very different. I liked the 1st one tho in particular. #UFchat
10:43 pm kjhatch: The shiny vampires and friendly werewolves are the same problem. They’re made too human, weakens the contrast with humanity. #UFchat
10:44 pm UF_Chat: Q2c: Re the writing: What are your favorite ?takes? on/ uses of unusual creatures in UF? Examples? #UFchat
10:44 pm HoodedMan: Civilized vampires or werewolves… an oxymoron for sure #ufchat
10:44 pm UF_Chat: RT @kjhatch: The shiny vampires and friendly werewolves are the same problem. They’re made too human, weakens the contrast with humanity. #UFchat
10:44 pm marirandomities: @UF_Chat Hmm, good to know. Thanks for the tip. πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:45 pm editorialdept: RT @UF_Chat: Q2c: favorite ?takes? on/ uses of unusual creatures in UF? Examples? <<Jane Lindskold’s Changer & Legends Walking #ufchat
10:45 pm SpiceBites: Also love the feys of the Merry Gentry world. Um, esp. some of the guys. #UFchat
10:45 pm marirandomities: @leapetra I have some nice trolls myself. But they’re an exception in their own world too. Psst, my readers don’t know that yet! #ufchat
10:45 pm thedragongem: I like that Jim Butcher’s vampires all have different type’s of powers and strengths. #UFchat
10:45 pm Holomos: RT @HoodedMan: RT @leapetra Werewolves are becoming the big pets, insulting to werewolves really. #ufchat // Oh, horror
10:45 pm leapetra: @HoodedMan you can have a civilized vampire, he just will make sure he kills you in the bathroom, clean up is easier #ufchat
10:45 pm editorialdept: Changer didn’t have vamps or werewolves – just “classic” mythological critters and urban legends – sasquatch, satyrs, King Arthur… #ufchat
10:46 pm kjhatch: I have already seen a new trend starting with books featuring “real vampires,” so hopefully we’ll see more bumps in the night soon. #ufchat
10:46 pm UF_Chat: One recent fave – the banshee in Kim Harrisson’s Rachel Morgan series. That was a true monster but with layers. #UFchat
10:46 pm marirandomities: RT @HoodedMan: RT @leapetra Werewolves are becoming the big pets, insulting to werewolves really. #ufchat // Oh, horror #ufchat
10:46 pm TrueBloodBot: RT @marirandomities Talking about TV, what’s your opinion about True Blood? #ufchat
10:46 pm SpiceBites: RT @leapetra:@HoodedMan you can have a civilized vampire, he just will make sure he kills you in the bathroom, clean up is easierLOL #UFchat
10:47 pm leapetra: @marirandomities I have a troll in mine to, He’s a “southern” troll more human, but still a troll #ufchat
10:47 pm UF_Chat: This chat is flying & I’m not even 1/2 way through the questions… #UFchat
10:47 pm jimnduncan: @UF_Chat Ah. I’ve not read that far in that series. Banshee sounds cool. #ufchat
10:47 pm HoodedMan: @kjhatch both those syndromes are bad #UFchat
10:47 pm UF_Chat: Q4: The kick-ass girls/women: what?s to love? What?s the ugly? What needs a revisit? What would you like to see? #UFchat
10:47 pm UF_Chat: (yep – I missed a question there – if you’re curious ask me later πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:47 pm kjhatch: @marirandomities I tried watching True Blood, but couldn’t stand it. My mother’s a geek and loves the show, so perhaps it’s just me #ufchat
10:48 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat I would like to see them stop falling in love with the monster. #ufchat
10:48 pm editorialdept: Heroines – the ugly? The “perfect” ones. Ones w/ superhuman gifts – strength, agility, etc. Want to see them struggle a bit. #ufchat
10:48 pm DEcharacters: made it in time for the end of the chat. *peeks in* #UFchat
10:49 pm suzannembest: RT @kjhatch: The shiny vampires and friendly werewolves are the same problem. They’re made too human, weakens the contrast with humanity. #UFchat
10:49 pm UF_Chat: @jimnduncan I get very tired of the humans-with-superpowers aspects – great to see an actual monster with own world view. #UFchat
10:49 pm HoodedMan: @SpiceBites 9 to 5 work, 2.4 children, briefly speaking, with variations #UFchat
10:49 pm Cameron_Haley: My only real pet peeve about UF heroines is they sometimes mistake “aggression” and “toughness.” #UFchat
10:49 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Must sleep will catch up on transcript <yawn> night. #ufchat
10:49 pm marirandomities: @kjhatch A matter of personal preferences. No problem there. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
10:50 pm marirandomities: Good one. RT @leapetra: @UF_Chat I would like to see them stop falling in love with the monster. #ufchat
10:50 pm leapetra: I would like to see more anime and magna influence coming in. Thinking Hellsing in particular #ufchat
10:50 pm UF_Chat: @kjhatch Where did you come in? I thought 2nd season was a little heavy on the Maenad (sp?) & associated stuff. #UFchat
10:50 pm ladytechie: I like a lot of cool powers, but would like to see new powers popping up out of no where over and over #UFChat
10:50 pm UF_Chat: Q4a: The kick-ass bad-boys & the alpha males: Love? Hate? What would make them fresh? #UFchat
10:51 pm ladytechie: I mean for them not to keep popping up over and over book after book #UFChat
10:51 pm SpiceBites: Want more to the char. than just beat up bad guy, angst, get it on with the hot guy. #UFchat
10:52 pm Cameron_Haley: @UF_Chat If there’s “bad boys” and “alpha males” so described in the story, it probably isn’t for me… #UFchat
10:52 pm Betwixt_: RT @marirandomities: I don’t think people will tire of vampires so soon, despite of all the “enough already” being said. #ufchat
10:53 pm thedragongem: I’d like to see more Dresden like characters #UFchat
10:53 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley I’d like to see the humans have equal go at the girl’s heart. Brute strength/super-powers doesn’t = better. #UFchat
10:53 pm jimnduncan: @UF_Chat to honest, I don’t really like writing the alpha male type. #ufchat
10:54 pm leapetra: RT @thedragongem: Id like to see more Dresden like characters #ufchat
10:54 pm kjhatch: @UF_Chat Season one, early on. Mon was hooked on the thing immediately, and we always cross-recommend shows to check out. #ufchat
10:54 pm brimfire: Yes. This. RT @SpiceBites: Want more to the char. than just beat up bad guy, angst, get it on with the hot guy. #UFchat
10:54 pm UF_Chat: @thedragongem Private eye paying the rent? Or wizards? #UFchat
10:54 pm SpiceBites: Wary of Alpha males b/c they often seem to be prettied up bullies and/or idiots on the page #UFchat
10:54 pm HoodedMan: @leapetra @SpiceBites I subsribe that to his/her experience, and sense of self-preservation, not civilized life #ufchat
10:54 pm UF_Chat: @jimnduncan I bring it up as many readers (esp Ro-crossover) say they ‘need’ an alpha male. Think not so straight fwd. #UFchat
10:55 pm thedragongem: Average Joe not really hot…gets himself into some stuff and has to figure out how to get out. #UFchat
10:55 pm UF_Chat: Q5: Weapons, MC strength & violence: 1st the weapons ? what?s overused, what?s hot, what do you love, what do you not? (he) #UFchat
10:55 pm Cameron_Haley: Tony Soprano is an “alpha male” as far as I’m concerned. Probably not every woman’s dream (could be wrong…). #UFchat
10:55 pm HoodedMan: RT @SpiceBites Want more to the char. than just beat up bad guy, angst, get it on with the hot guy. #UFchat // much more
10:55 pm marirandomities: Q5: I like the overused magical swords. Can’t help it. #ufchat
10:56 pm leapetra: Guns over rated, But I will always like a good sword. #ufchat
10:56 pm UF_Chat: We only have 5 minutes left on clock but I have a ton more Q’s- would you like to go on a little longer or have a Round 2 next week? #UFchat
10:56 pm editorialdept: weapons – i’m a sucker for a sword, magical or otherwise. Haven’t gotten tired of that yet. Guns, yawn. #ufchat
10:56 pm SpiceBites: Woot! Another vote for Average Joe/Jane! Or someone who yearns to be average. #UFchat
10:56 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat It was Underworld that ruin guns in UF for me. They are vampires and they need guns? #ufchat
10:56 pm marirandomities: @UF_Chat Round 2 next week? It’s late here…. 😦 #ufchat
10:57 pm cmdrsue: RT @leapetra: Guns over rated, But I will always like a good sword. #ufchat
10:57 pm brimfire: @UF_Chat I love alpha heroes but a well-created beta hero can win me over. I ❀ Nick in KimHarrison’s first bks. He was interesting. #UFchat
10:57 pm kjhatch: Anyone watch the show Dexter? It has more vampire-like character (without fantasy) than a lot of books/film/tv these days. #ufchat
10:57 pm leapetra: @marirandomities magical swords, get tiresome, I agree. But a good swordman is wonderful #ufchat
10:57 pm SpiceBites: My first UFchat was fun. Thanx! #UFchat
10:58 pm srolutola: RT @amandabonilla: Also, I’d like to see more characters on a cover. Besides just the MC. Maybe an ensemble cover. #ufchat
10:58 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley Not every alpha ‘is’ tho – many ‘strong’ males just like control & not good at sharing. Not good ‘post-feminists’ πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:58 pm Cameron_Haley: @kjhatch Now we’re going to pick up DexterBot. LOL. #UFchat
10:58 pm marirandomities: @kjhatch Dexter is creepy. The show’s appeal worries me, but it’s good indeed. #ufchat
10:58 pm UF_Chat: @kjhatch Ooh agree! I love that show (and worry about myself as a result.) #UFchat
10:58 pm UF_Chat: RT @kjhatch: Anyone watch the show Dexter? It has more vampire-like character (without fantasy) than a lot of books/film/tv these days. #ufchat
10:58 pm jimnduncan: @UF_Chat like characters who aren’t all that kick-ass, who have to struggle and figure out how the hell to deal with para baddies. #ufchat
10:59 pm marirandomities: @leapetra Agree on swordsman, but magic + sword is cool anyway, heh. Except when sword does the work. Then blegh. #ufchat
11:00 pm leapetra: weapons. Best one! the Flashlight in Night Watch #ufchat
11:00 pm marirandomities: I’ve got the True Blood bot already, heh. RT @Cameron_Haley: @kjhatch Now were going to pick up DexterBot. LOL. #ufchat
11:00 pm Cameron_Haley: Forgive me for a quick plug. MOB RULES releases Wednesday. Available now at Amazon, B&N, others. http://amzn.to/cgAtPz Thanks! #UFchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: @jimnduncan Are many ways to have strength beyond muscles – which is good otherwise many more girls would have a rough time of it. #UFchat
11:00 pm kjhatch: A4a: The tough-but-dangerous cliche has been around longer than shiny vamps; it’s just an old, flat character problem. #ufchat
11:00 pm marirandomities: Yes! RT @jimnduncan: like characters who arent kick-ass, who have to struggle and figure out how the hell to deal with baddies. #ufchat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: We’re out of time here – shall we have round 2 next week? I have a LOT more questions & we’re just starting to get to the gristle… #UFchat
11:01 pm jimnduncan: @UF_Chat sounds good to me. #ufchat
11:01 pm Cameron_Haley: @UF_Chat Yeah, go round two next week. Good chat! #UFchat
11:01 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat either way now or next week. #ufchat
11:02 pm inkgypsy: RT @Cameron_Haley: Forgive me for a quick plug. MOB RULES releases Wednesday. Available now at Amazon, B&N, others. http://amzn.to/cgAtPz Thanks! #UFchat
11:02 pm kjhatch: I don’t mind the alpha males, as long as they are real, rounded, complex characters, like normal people. #ufchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: Pick up @Cameron_Haley‘s book! MOB RULES released this week! (Congrats Cameron) Los Angeles, mob underworld, magic juice, you want! #UFchat
11:03 pm bonn1511: #ufchat Sounds good. Thanks
11:03 pm editorialdept: one more quick peeve before we wrap: main characters running away from their destiny/inheritance/family role, etc. #ufchat
11:03 pm kjhatch: @bonn1511 Dexter’s on Showtime. Season 5 starts this fall. First 2 seasons are also available on Netflix streaming right now. #ufchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: ANNOUNCEMENT: We will have Round 2 of Pet Peeves & more next Saturday! Same bat time, same bat channel. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:04 pm leapetra: @editorialdept Works for RPG’s but in a book, can we stop. #ufchat
11:04 pm SpiceBites: Looking forward to it! #UFchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: That?s a wrap for #UFchat today! If you?re writing UF you may want to bookmark the transcript & come back next week for Round 2. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept We’re going to talk more about that one next week too. Violence, loners, pasts and more. #UFchat
11:06 pm kjhatch: A5: I do like swords, any kind. Overused or not, I’m happy seeing them. Really thinking about it, I don’t hate any weapons. #ufchat
11:06 pm HoodedMan: @leapetra For further info read my upcoming novel “Night on Earth”… πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:06 pm DEcharacters: will have to set time aside next week. Though, last time I got a novel idea. Getting plenty out of watching this great chat #UFchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Some additional resources on UF pet peeves & wish lists, for writers & readers in next few tweets (few added within chat today): #UFchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: All Things Urban Fantasy: Top Ten List: Urban Fantasy Pet Peeves ? 1. Sex breaks, not sex scenes http://bit.ly/bYmafd #UFchat
11:07 pm marirandomities: I meant “this *way* ” uh #ufchat
11:07 pm marirandomities: RT @UF_Chat: ANNOUNCEMENT: We will have Round 2 of Pet Peeves & more next Saturday! Same bat time, same bat channel. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:07 pm wulfshado: #UFchat Crap. Hubby worked late again and just finished supper. I missed it again.
11:07 pm UF_Chat: My Top Ten Urban Fantasy Pet Pevees ? @Abigail_ATUF Guest Blogger at Literary Escapism http://bit.ly/bWvbAz #UFchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: Carrie Vaughan?s Analysis of Urban Fantasy: Pt II: When Things Go Wrong http://bit.ly/aKOvKb #UFchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: On Urban Fantasy (why often shallow) from 2004 but still interesting by Arin i Asolde (LJ) http://bit.ly/aZG0Fz #UFchat
11:08 pm kjhatch: @UF_Chat @marirandomities Dexter does a good job not glorifying the murder and remaining focused on the characters, no need to worry #ufchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: UF cover history 2007/8: Butt covers by Juno books http://bit.ly/b2RrFb & Urban Fantasy Land?s Cover Trends http://bit.ly/9HONrV #UFchat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: Reminder: UF writers announcement: Sheep & Wolves contest http://bit.ly/bx23QL Write traditional monster from new perspective. #UFchat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: We are slowly making a list of UF authors on Twitter on #UFchat blog site. Please suggest more to @inkgypsy or @snowppl #UFchat
11:09 pm marirandomities: @kjhatch That’s the glorifying thing that worries me. #ufchat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: Got a topic you want to chat about? Let me know! I?ll add it to the list & maybe even bump up the chat-date for it. ? #UFchat
11:10 pm marirandomities: RT @UF_Chat: Reminder: UF writers: Sheep & Wolves #contest http://bit.ly/bx23QL Write traditional monster from new perspective. #ufchat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: If you wish to highlight a UF release by an author here on Twitter from last week ? let me know & I?ll promote it. Just @inkgypsy #UFchat
11:11 pm kjhatch: RT @UF_Chat: Got a topic you want to chat about? Let me know! I?ll add it to the list & maybe even bump up the chat-date for it. ? #UFchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: @UF_Chat lights out. πŸ˜‰ Transcript available on the #UFchat blog in 36hrs-ish, allowing for late comments. Just use the hashtag. #UFchat
11:12 pm kjhatch: RT @UF_Chat: ANNOUNCEMENT: We will have Round 2 of Pet Peeves & more next Saturday! Same bat time, same bat channel. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:12 pm UF_Chat: @wulfshado We’ll be having Round 2 next week but welcome to read hashtag & comment to be added to transcript. Just getting meaty… #UFchat
11:13 pm UF_Chat: @DEcharacters So glad to hear that! To get people writing and keep them creating is one of the reasons I wanted to do this. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:14 pm UF_Chat: @brimfire Just saw the tweet about Nick – agree! Xlnt beta I liked a lot. #UFchat
11:17 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Interesting on Underworld guns! 1 of reasons initially liked Zimmer Bradley’s world = no distance weapons. Changes dynamic #UFchat
11:18 pm inkgypsy: That was crazy busy! What a fun #UFchat and I have to go back and read it all still. Doing Round 2 next week – didn’t get 1/2way thru Q’s!
11:21 pm UF_Chat: @QQwill Definitely. Check the #UFchat blog in about 36 hours (I allow for late comments by those who can’t attend – often have few)
11:24 pm SkullJuggler: RT @editorialdept: Readers are more sick of vampire *cliches* than vampires. That’s my experience. Enough brooding and rampant sex appeal, already. #ufchat
11:25 pm VampBookClub: I was pulled away from #UFchat for a bit. For those who like PNR, we’re having a discussion of CRIMSON MOON Tues @ 9 EST. http://ow.ly/2wfaU
11:25 pm QQwill: RT @VampBookClub: I was pulled away from #UFchat for a bit. For those who like PNR, we’re having a discussion of CRIMSON MOON Tues @ 9 EST. http://ow.ly/2wfaU
11:26 pm inkgypsy: RT @editorialdept: Readers are more sick of vampire *cliches* than vampires. That’s my experience. Enough brooding and rampant sex appeal, already. #ufchat
11:26 pm rixshep: RT @editorialdept: Readers are more sick of vampire *cliches* than vampires. That’s my experience. Enough brooding and rampant sex appeal, already. #ufchat
11:28 pm rixshep: Sorry to miss #ufchat today, but is wife’s birthday! Romantic dinner is order of the day!
11:28 pm inkgypsy: RT @VampBookClub: I was pulled away from #UFchat for a bit. For those who like PNR, we’re having a discussion of CRIMSON MOON Tues @ 9 EST. http://ow.ly/2wfaU
11:31 pm SkullJuggler: @editorialdept #ufchat old, true… Unless the character doesn’t realize he/she is running away. Trying to consciously escape destiny is old
11:33 pm DJTmetz: RT @editorialdept: Readers are more sick of vampire *cliches* than vampires. That’s my experience. Enough brooding and rampant sex appeal, already. #ufchat
11:34 pm EnbukyokuAline: RT @editorialdept: Readers are more sick of vampire *cliches* than vampires. That’s my experience. Enough brooding and rampant sex appeal, already. #ufchat
11:34 pm inkgypsy: @QQwill Here’s the #UFchat blog link http://bit.ly/aQvjjy (let me know if you have trouble with it? Thinking of changing to other ‘host’)
11:36 pm KatReverie: RT @editorialdept: Readers are more sick of vampire *cliches* than vampires. That’s my experience. Enough brooding and rampant sex appeal, already. #ufchat
11:37 pm inkgypsy: RT @LocoLuna: RT @evernightpub Do you have a romance, erotic rom, or urban fantasy ready 2 submit? Check our submissions // #UFchat #writing
11:40 pm ericahayes: oh, I missed #UFchat ! Bugger πŸ™‚ too early for a Sunday morning!
11:44 pm inkgypsy: Forgot to add the #UFchat hashtag.. RT @MerrieDestefano: Why I Love Urban Fantasy http://nblo.gs/7iSv4
11:47 pm JulieeJohnsonn: RT @inkgypsy: RT @LocoLuna: RT @evernightpub Do you have a romance, erotic rom, or urban fantasy ready 2 submit? Check our submissions // #UFchat #writing
11:48 pm JulieeJohnsonn: RT @UF_Chat: Reminder: UF writers announcement: Sheep & Wolves contest http://bit.ly/bx23QL Write traditional monster from new perspective. #UFchat
11:51 pm miranda00writes: @HC_Palmquist thanks for the hint. I’ll try that next week #UFchat
11:58 pm inkgypsy: @tadbo I must have been busy modding #UFchat at the time – can you relink me?
August 29, 2010
12:20 am tasmin21: Napped right through #UFChat and I am sad. Thanks to @Cameron_Haley for mentioning me where appropriate. πŸ˜‰
1:15 am annikkawoods: Dang it. Slept through #ufchat. 😦 Oh well. Hope it was a good one!
1:17 am maantren: RT @editorialdept: Readers are more sick of vampire *cliches* than vampires. That’s my experience. Enough brooding and rampant sex appeal, already. #ufchat
3:12 am rixshep: rt @editorialdept quick peeve … main character running away from destiny/inheritance. #ufchat / Started with Aragorn/Strider in #LOTR!
5:27 am Ben_Aaronovitch: I’ve got to start getting up later on Saturday so I can stay up for all over #UFchat It’s like I’m 8 years old I swear…
7:07 am AnassaRh: They may not be quite as delighted to hear that I’ll have a lot to say on the topic of #UFChat tonight, but I hope they are.
7:43 am AnassaRh: Read a UF recently where thick leather was only decent protection against demon claws, and barely. @shadowflame1974 @miranda00writes #UFChat
7:52 am AnassaRh: Likes? Mysteries. Humor. The what-ifs. How reality and myth/magic blend. How any blend is possible. #UFchat
7:55 am AnassaRh: My general peeves: When sex is thrown in just ’cause. Only 1 strong woman. Women we’re told are smart and strong, but aren’t. #UFchat
7:56 am AnassaRh: More peeves: Little variation in covers. Mandatory love interests for women. Weak mysteries I figure out too quickly. #UFchat
7:58 am AnassaRh: Peeves (sorry, keep thinking of them!): MCs who Must Do It Solo even when they have support networks with useful skills. #UFChat
8:01 am AnassaRh: Peeves: Series that a) fall apart or b) get crazy after Book 3ish. Characters with a Secret Destiny. #UFchat
8:01 am AnassaRh: RT @editorialdept: I see a lot of ass-kicking heroines, but not often a focus on brains over brawn. Would love to see more MacGyver types vs. Rambos. #ufchat
8:04 am AnassaRh: A1: Love how even w/in cliches, you can get a general sense of the book. Love when tag lines are snappy, funny. #ufchat
8:07 am AnassaRh: A1: Title allusions! Enjoy pinpointing the phrase (lit, music, movies). πŸ˜‰ Also what @Cameron_Haley said: cover artist WIN. #ufchat
8:10 am AnassaRh: @leapetra Re: mother heroines: Look up @kellyhgay‘s Better Part of Darkness. #ufchat
8:19 am AnassaRh: Q1a: I wish there were more variation?not just MC + city, but scenes, minor chars in foreground, less photo-real where appropriate. #ufchat
8:21 am AnassaRh: Q1a: I don’t like when tag lines try to hard for humor. Vague blurbs, or 1s that don’t match my experience (eg, “thrilling!”). #ufchat
8:23 am AnassaRh: Q1a: Have also lost some faith in authors who’ve blurbed books I didn’t like. Suspect that’s not quite on topic, though. #ufchat
8:24 am AnassaRh: This! RT @leapetra: What is it with all the great looking demons, vampires, werewolves, etc. Could we have one nerdy one? πŸ™‚ #ufchat
8:26 am AnassaRh: Q1a: Back covers? Hadn’t even thought? Dislike when minor element is played as major, or plot misrepresented. #ufchat
8:33 am AnassaRh: Q1b: Have found cover-content match about 50/50, for image, tag, summary. Really dislike misrepresentation of story in any of above. #ufchat
8:35 am AnassaRh: Q1b: If I’m buying w/o recommendation or review, I go by front cover, back cover, pull page, first pages, in that order. #ufchat
8:38 am AnassaRh: I suspect the fixer questions will be difficult to answer. Q1c’s giving me trouble? #ufchat
8:43 am AnassaRh: Q1c More people, and settings more obviously from the book. Epic fantasy has action, landscape, 1/2 the cast. Why not UF? #ufchat
8:47 am AnassaRh: Also, memory sketchy here, but wasn’t there a period where fantasy covers were a scene, lots of detail? 80s, early 90s? ? #ufchat
8:50 am AnassaRh: What about instead of Rachel Morgan with a gun in the city, we get Rachel Morgan brewing potions in the kitchen, weapons at hand? #ufchat
9:03 am AnassaRh: Q2 I’d like to see more talk about the books without vamps, weres, or demons. I hear UF, I think vamp, and that’s inaccurate. #ufchat
9:04 am AnassaRh: Perhaps that would help with the dismissiveness we encounter? “Oh, it’s just another vampire novel” “No, actually, no vamps at all”. #ufchat
9:06 am AnassaRh: That said, think vamps, weres, demons overused, in sense that I’d lk 2 C more bks w/o them. Still seeing ppl do new things, though. #ufchat
9:08 am AnassaRh: When the Big 3 are cookie-cutter, I don’t enjoy. Gimme a twist! Gimme an alien culture! They’re not human, so make me think so. #ufchat
9:08 am AnassaRh: And yes, I’m kind of talking about the writing too, but the writing question seems to have gotten skipped? #ufchat
9:09 am AnassaRh: Vamps: tired of angst, tired of animal blood, tired of mood swings and rampant smex appeal, tired of black. #ufchat
9:13 am AnassaRh: Weres: tired of male were stand-ins for butch, hairy alpha humans. Liked Oz on Buffy: scrawny, weird, worried about harming others #ufchat
9:16 am AnassaRh: Demons: poss. contradicting myself, but tired of “ugly, evil, animal” and “hot, suave, manipulative”. #ufchat
9:17 am AnassaRh: Then again, I tend to really like manipulative demons (Supernatural, Good Omens, Jill Kismet novels). #ufchat
9:17 am AnassaRh: RT @editorialdept: Readers are more sick of vampire *cliches* than vampires. That’s my experience. Enough brooding and rampant sex appeal, already. #ufchat
9:22 am AnassaRh: Q2a I want scary vampires again, but not only. Must be middle ground btwn “emo” and “scary”?creepy good guy? Violent hero? Schizo? #ufchat
9:24 am AnassaRh: An eg of what I mean is McKinley’s Sunshine. Vamp is creepy, ugly, different morals + perspective, does good things for bad reasons. #ufchat
9:28 am AnassaRh: RT @UF_Chat: @leapetra Agree – more doglike with bad tempers than wolfman monsters (of course actual wolves are pretty civilized in reality!) #UFchat
9:29 am AnassaRh: RT @kjhatch: The shiny vampires and friendly werewolves are the same problem. They’re made too human, weakens the contrast with humanity. #UFchat
9:30 am AnassaRh: Please! And non-Euro too! RT@leapetra: Finding “forgotten” creatures like trolls, berserks, orges, etc, more of those would be great #ufchat
9:32 am AnassaRh: Not sick of werewolves, but I’d like to see some that are genuinely scary or dangerous?or actually like real wolves. #ufchat
9:39 am AnassaRh: Q2c I really like @seananmcguire‘s take on fae, and how she realizes so many different kinds. Also Melissa Marr, for that. #ufchat
9:42 am AnassaRh: Q4 I love that there ARE strong women. Don’t so much love that there’s so much of one type of strong?reactionary, aggressive, hurt. #ufchat
9:43 am AnassaRh: I tend to fall for heroines with brains?the ones that stop, think, plan, worry. More realistic, to me. #ufchat
9:46 am AnassaRh: Tiring of characters who gain powers to keep the series going. Sure, add more, but give a good reason! (Destiny ? reason.) #ufchat
9:56 am AnassaRh: Would like to revisit heroine origins. Don’t want “she just is”. Want explanation up front. I see too much gradual discovery, too. #ufchat
9:57 am AnassaRh: Also, would like regular human heroines, not with powers. Or a human just getting into magic, self-taught, novice? Want struggles. #ufchat
10:01 am AnassaRh: Q4a I’d rather less of both. They strike me as aggressive, arrogant, overprotective as love interests?& they’re not every gal’s type #ufchat
10:03 am AnassaRh: To get on a bit of a soapbox, I get miffed when told alpha male is ONLY acceptable mate. Can heroine go for the beta male? #ufchat
10:05 am AnassaRh: Alpha male or bad-boy heroes, on the other hand, those I’m ok with, as long as they don’t overexert to prove manliness or something. #ufchat
10:06 am jolantru: RT @AnassaRh: Weres: tired of male were stand-ins for butch, hairy alpha humans. Liked Oz on Buffy: scrawny, weird, worried about harming others #ufchat
10:06 am AnassaRh: What about a bad-boy who used to be a good boy? Or a Batman/Bruce Wayne type, bad by night, good(ish) by day? #ufchat
10:08 am RastaN3rd: RT @kjhatch: The shiny vampires and friendly werewolves are the same problem. They’re made too human, weakens the contrast with humanity. #UFchat
10:08 am AnassaRh: Basically, I’d like men who are men, not men who are stereotypes. #ufchat
10:10 am AnassaRh: Q5 I like when weapons make sense for the world’s monsters. Fortunately, in the books I’ve read, I’ve seen this. πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:13 am AnassaRh: Repeating myself re: strength + violence, but MCs who shoot first and MCs who get stronger every book aren’t for me, overdone. #ufchat
10:13 am AnassaRh: I actually haven’t met a heroine with a magic sword. Might be interested, just to see. Recs? #ufchat
10:15 am SemaphoreNZ: RT @AnassaRh: Weres: tired of male were stand-ins for butch, hairy alpha humans. Liked Oz on Buffy: scrawny, weird, worried about harming others #ufchat
10:16 am AnassaRh: And yeah, I could do without guns. Even if it’s an awesome gun, it’s kind of ? bland. #ufchat
10:17 am AnassaRh: I think there are lots of swords, guns, spells?what about other weapons? Crossbow, axe, shuriken, morningstar? #ufchat
10:18 am AnassaRh: Or like in Supernatural where every monster requires a different weapon to kill it, so you need experience with a range? #ufchat
10:20 am AnassaRh: Definitely want a Round 2! There’s so much we haven’t discussed, it would be a shame not to. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
10:26 am AnassaRh: I know I’ve mentioned Supernatural a lot,but the char Ellen? Tough as nails, 50s, never follows, rarely front line?excellent heroine #ufchat
10:27 am AnassaRh: Yes! RT@editorialdept: 1 more quick peeve before we wrap: main characters running away from their destiny/inheritance/family roleetc #ufchat
10:32 am AnassaRh: And that’s it for my #ufchat comments, I think. If I fall asleep at work tomorrow, or fail at writing, I’m blaming the discussion.
10:35 am jolantru: @AnassaRh A crossbow would be great. Or a halberd. #ufchat
10:42 am cassopeia: RT @AnassaRh: I know I’ve mentioned Supernatural a lot,but the char Ellen? Tough as nails, 50s, never follows, rarely front line?excellent heroine #ufchat
11:17 am reviewsandbooks: RT @VampBookClub: Often in UF we get one strong woman, but several strong men. Would it be so bad to have multiple badass women in a single novel? #ufchat
11:17 am reviewsandbooks: RT @VampBookClub: RT @UF_Chat: Urban fantasy has lots of variety & draws a lot of diff. types. Let?s start positive. Q: what do you really LOVE? #UFchat
3:20 pm familiarskylar: I’d like to see that, too! RT @thedragongem I want to see more UF heroes with animal sidekicks/familiars. #UFchat
6:39 pm Jamgrrl: @inkgypsy Will there be a transcript of yesterday’s #UFChat?
9:45 pm inkgypsy: @Jamgrrl Definitely. πŸ™‚ It’ll go up late tonight to allow for any additional comments by people who weren’t able to attend yesterday #UFchat
9:46 pm inkgypsy: . @Jamgrrl You can check here http://bit.ly/aQvjjy for all past transcripts & additional posts. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
August 30, 2010
3:17 am inkgypsy: @JulieeJohnsonn Our last week’s #UFchat dealt with the diff b/w PNR & UF & the crossover. Here’s the transcript http://bit.ly/boSgns

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END OF TRANSCRIPT FOR AUGUST 28th, 2010

Already people are scrambling with new ideas & revisiting their WIP’s after this chat!

Next week:

ROUND TWO of Pet Peeves & Wish Lists – we’ll be getting into the really juicy stuff… πŸ˜‰

Feel free to add thoughts and resources during the week as you think them or find them – just use the #UFchat hashtag so I can find them and add them to the discussion & transcript.

The β€œPublished UF authors on Twitter” page for the blog (check the link at the very top of the page) is slowly growing (there are a LOT of UF authors on Twitter!) and it’s and linked it to a list on Twitter for easy following.

If you see someone you think should be on there, there’s a good chance I just haven’t gotten to adding them yet BUT please always feel free to add suggestions by @-ing @inkgypsy and I’ll add them to the list ASAP.

Stay tuned to @UF_Chat on Twitter for countdown’s and updates.

See you next week!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)

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