#UFchat – chat for urban fantasy writers

Transcript for August 14th, 2010: The ‘Urban’ in Urban Fantasy

TOPIC: What’s the importance of the ‘U’ in UF? What does ‘urban’ mean to you?

AND Mapping UF

– the ‘WHERE’s, the WHY of why writers choose to root their stories in a place & the IMPORTANCE of cities in UF.

I’m including an on-topic pre-chat conversation with Singaporean author @jolantru, who’s UF novel, based in Singapore, debuts in 2011. She had a lot of great things to say and I can’t wait to read her take on werewolves in Singapore.

I’ve added a color coding to aid in reading the topic/question and answer flow and to point out announcements and resources:

YELLOW = official #UFchat statement and questions to be discussed (I left the discussion additions the same as everyone else’s)

GREEN = #UFchat announcements

BLUE = resources (links, posts and essays relating to today’s topic)

Note: I have no idea what’s up with the date and times shown here! For reference, we started right at 3pmPST on Saturday August 14th.

2:56 am Cameron_Haley: RT @UF_Chat: Tomorrow = #UFchat day! 3pm PST/ 6pm EST TOPIC: Mapping UF -the ‘where’s, the why of locale choice & the importance of cities in UF. Pls RT
3:41 am inkgypsy: #UFchat RT @VampBookClub: As promised, Readers’ Top 10 Vampire Authors: http://ow.ly/2pvN5 #vampires
4:15 am scribe_solitary: RT @UF_Chat: Tomorrow = #UFchat day! 3pm PST/ 6pm EST TOPIC: Mapping UF -the ‘where’s, the why of locale choice & the importance of cities in UF. Pls RT
4:46 am jolantru: For the location of my UF novel, it is Singapore…my own country. #UFchat
4:56 am inkgypsy: @jolantru Would love to chat to you sometime about what you felt was important to include to make it ‘uniquely Singaporean’. #UFchat
5:00 am jolantru: @inkgypsy Lol. One day. I promise. Uniquely S’porean? Actually define ‘S’porean’. 🙂 #UFchat
5:05 am LaylaMessner: RT @UF_Chat: Tomorrow #UFchat! 3pm PST/ 6pm EST TOPIC: Mapping UF -the ‘where’s, the why of locale choice & the importance of cities in UF.
5:08 am snowppl: Don’t forget @uf_chat hosts #ufchat TOMORROW (and every saturday) starting at 3pm PST/ 6 pm EST. Hope to see you there!
5:12 am inkgypsy: @jolantru I agree with understanding people & cultures but also how do U write ‘the city’ as opposed to Singa community for example? #UFchat
5:57 am jolantru: RT @inkgypsy: @jolantru I agree with understanding people & cultures but also how do U write ‘the city’ as opposed to Singa community for example? #UFchat
5:58 am inkgypsy: @jolantru One of the reasons I’m bringing up the topic is a ‘city’ is required for UF by definition but a criticism is that… #UFchat
6:00 am inkgypsy: @jolantru .. often only a token nod is given to the place (ie. it could really take place anywhere). Unless writer lives/is from… #UFchat
6:01 am inkgypsy: @jolantru .. there often nothing more than major landmarks are used that are very rarely integral to the story. #UFchat
6:02 am inkgypsy: @jolantru To my mind best stories ‘transplant’ you there so story can ONLY take place there. City affects person, just like in life. #UFchat
6:03 am jolantru: @inkgypsy True, true. I integrate the known landmarks but I weave in the nature too. #UFchat
6:03 am inkgypsy: @jolantru This is a bad example but Sue Grafton was rec’d to me when was living in Santa Barbara because she essentially wrote town #UFchat
6:04 am inkgypsy: @jolantru .. with diff names subbed. Tho wasn’t truly impressed I appreciated it more as could see the story in the streets/stores. #UFchat
6:04 am jolantru: @inkgypsy Yes! #UFchat
6:06 am inkgypsy: @jolantru Not sure it’s a conscious thing for many – but think stories would have more resonance if city was more solid (IMHO) #UFchat
6:07 am jolantru: @inkgypsy Mmm, suburban fantasy then? Singapore is very urban and I keep that in mind when I write. #UFchat
6:12 am inkgypsy: @jolantru Well, suburbs are city adjacent. LOL it’s the country town stuff that gets vague. Urban also implies grit & ‘streets’. #UFchat
6:13 am inkgypsy: @jolantru Genre ‘urban fiction’ implies a similar thing – grit, streets etc. In other words UF has to be more than contemp fantasy. #UFchat
6:15 am jolantru: @inkgypsy Yes. Street culture and subcultures. Ditto about the grit. #UFchat
6:16 am inkgypsy: @jolantru Kind of looks like you have a blog post already tweeted! LOL #UFchat 😀 Interesting subject tho – important I think.
6:24 am inkgypsy: @jolantru Here’s a question for you – what would you consider ‘grit’? 😉 #UFchat
6:44 am jolantru: @inkgypsy Grit: dark, dealing with issues unflinchingly, dealing with the dark side of city life. #UFchat
6:46 am inkgypsy: @jolantru Agreed! Often people think pollution, cars, trash in streets, street gangs etc but I agree is more encompassing than that. #UFchat
8:02 am AnassaRh: @inkgypsy I keep meaning to tweet this to you for the @UF_chat list: http://twitter.com/#/list/UFW/urbanfantasywriters #ufchat
9:27 am UF_Chat: TOPIC for Aug 14th’s #UFchat expanded on the UFchat blog: http://bit.ly/atpevT Mapping UF: The importance of that ‘U’ in Urban Fantasy.
9:12 pm UF_Chat: Primer for #UFchat early birds: please take a look at article City As Character by @Suzanne_Johnson http://bit.ly/9lQTlA #UFchat
9:12 pm inkgypsy: Primer for #UFchat early birds: please take a look at article City As Character by @Suzanne_Johnson http://bit.ly/9lQTlA #UFchat
9:14 pm TENscribeshop: Yes, I’m excited about #UFChat today!
9:18 pm TENscribeshop: RT @inkgypsy: Primer for #UFchat early birds: please take a look at article City As Character by @Suzanne_Johnson http://bit.ly/9lQTlA #UFchat
9:28 pm inkgypsy: Changing into my stomping boots & my not-so-secret #UFchat mod identity. Practicing my cab-calling whistle. Might need it in downtown-chat!
9:29 pm ShennandoahDiaz: RT @inkgypsy: Primer for #UFchat early birds: please take a look at article City As Character by @Suzanne_Johnson http://bit.ly/9lQTlA #UFchat
9:30 pm inkgypsy: ALERT! #UFchat starts in 1/2 hr! 3pm PST/6pm EST TODAY: Putting the ‘Urban’ in urban fantasy: city creatures, metro monsters & city centers.
9:30 pm UF_Chat: ALERT! #UFchat starts in 1/2 hr! 3pm PST/6pm EST TODAY: Putting the ‘Urban’ in urban fantasy: city creatures, metro monsters & city centers.
9:33 pm snowppl: @Shells2003 LOL! not quite, though I will be participating in #ufchat in about 30 minutes
9:35 pm jessrosenbooks: RT @inkgypsy: #UFchat starts in 1/2 hr! 3pm PST/6pm EST: Putting Urban in urban fantasy: city creatures, metro monsters & city centers.
9:40 pm VampBookClub: #UFChat is coming up in 20 minutes. Today we’re talking about the importance of the ‘U’ in UF.
9:45 pm UF_Chat: Countdown to #UFchat 15 mins to go! Get out your Google Maps! Today it’s cities in UF & the importance of the URBAN in UF (& metro monsters)
10:00 pm UF_Chat: 3, 2… and we are now live with #UFchat! Hope you have your boots on – we have a lot of ground to cover today! #UFchat
10:00 pm StephanieLMcGee: @inkgypsy Yes, I am! Finally! How many weeks and something always prevented me being here? #UFChat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: Today I will use ?Q:? for questions for discussion and ?S:? for statement tweets after which a ?Q:? (question) will follow. #UFchat
10:01 pm VampBookClub: RT @UF_Chat: TODAY?S TOPIC: Mapping UF – the wheres, the why of locale-choice & the importance of cities in UF. #UFchat
10:01 pm Cameron_Haley: Hello again, everyone! #UFchat
10:01 pm StephanieLMcGee: Howdy everyone! #UFChat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: I’ll be posting questions every few minutes as we have lots of ground to cover (don’t worry – I have a map 😉 #UFchat
10:02 pm snowppl: Hi everyone! #ufchat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley Hi! Welcome! Where are you basing your current UF? #UFchat
10:02 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat Locale- choice give the readers a point of reference for the story. We all know where SF or Chicago is so not much bkstory needed
10:02 pm UF_Chat: Q: What?s importance of the ?U? in UF? What does ?urban? mean to you? What makes it unique in contemp. fantasy? #UFchat
10:03 pm StephanieLMcGee: @UF_Chat Well that’s good. I’d get lost without landmarks. #UFChat
10:03 pm Cameron_Haley: @UF_Chat I picked L.A. because one of the “mythologies” I wanted to play with was modern gang culture. #UFchat
10:03 pm Book_Faery: RT @UF_Chat: Q: What?s importance of the ?U? in UF? What does ?urban? mean to you? What makes it unique in contemp. fantasy? #UFchat
10:03 pm TENscribeshop: @UF_Chat Hello! #UFchat #UFchat
10:03 pm StephanieLMcGee: I think that, at least in part, the “urban” is to help keep the story grounded and from straying to the realm of sci-fi. #UFChat
10:04 pm JordanDrew: Hey y’all. 🙂 #ufchat
10:04 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley That’s awesome – less based in LA than you’d think (maybe due to Buffy?) Interested to read that! #UFchat
10:04 pm snowppl: @UF_Chat Urban seems to be grittery. It’s not Suburban Fantasy #UFchat
10:04 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat the story can focus on the characters and plot rather than the setting
10:04 pm TENscribeshop: @Cameron_Haley This is a good example of how location can inform your story & how imp it can be #UFchat
10:04 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat Hello all
10:05 pm VampBookClub: The urban environment is what keeps the fantasy grounded, realistic and an additional element of danger #UFchat
10:05 pm StephanieLMcGee: Charlie Fletcher’s Stoneheart trilogy made the setting almost a character but still focused equally on plot/char and setting #UFChat
10:06 pm TENscribeshop: RT @VampBookClub: The urban environment is what keeps the fantasy grounded, realistic and an additional element of danger #UFchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: I do think a bonus for writers in the UF genre is that people are interested to read how the cities will be used. #UFchat
10:06 pm Cameron_Haley: Plus, most people today live in urban environments, so they’re a natural setting for what are essentially modern folk/fairy tales. #UFchat
10:06 pm StephanieLMcGee: It’s true. Which is why they won’t enjoy my book. My “city” is outer space, but not sci-fi. Still total fantasy. #UFChat
10:07 pm StephanieLMcGee: I like the idea of urban adding more danger via @VampBookClub #UFChat
10:08 pm UF_Chat: @StephanieLMcGee that’s one of the separations between contemp fantasy and UF – contemp you can construct a completely new place. #UFchat
10:08 pm UF_Chat: Q: Pub House definition of URBAN fantasy is that story must be based/include a developed ?real? city (ie. not be rural). Thoughts? #UFchat
10:09 pm StephanieLMcGee: @UF_Chat, I mean, I still have my cities for parts of the book. But a lot of it is up in the stars. Tried to keep it grounded tho #UFChat
10:09 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley #UFchat Agree very much with modern folk/fairy tales – old grit brought to modern day.
10:09 pm UF_Chat: RT @Cameron_Haley: Plus, most people today live in urban environments, so they’re a natural setting for what are essentially modern folk/fairy tales. #UFchat
10:10 pm VampBookClub: The city as a character, another voice, can provides depth for both the novel and the characters within it. #UFchat
10:10 pm StephanieLMcGee: @UF_Chat I think that there are varying degrees of inclusion. It can still be UF if it’s in a modern city, but city not nec. a char #UFChat
10:10 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat I agree with the view of modern day fairy tales.
10:10 pm UF_Chat: @VampBookClub Yes – in fact seen that used as part of definition for UF. City as character. #UFchat
10:10 pm UF_Chat: RT @VampBookClub: The city as a character, another voice, can provides depth for both the novel and the characters within it. #UFchat
10:11 pm TENscribeshop: @UF_Chat How far can a “real” city go, in terms of being different from reality, to still be considered #UFchat ?
10:11 pm snowppl: @UF_Chat It has other elements too. Categories = ways to sell #UFchat
10:11 pm Cameron_Haley: City as character…I think that’s one of our inheritances from the noir tradition. #UFchat
10:11 pm LaylaMessner: Just got here. So UF must include a real city? The Nocturn City novels by @caitkitt aren’t UF? Hmm. I had no idea. #UFChat
10:12 pm UF_Chat: @StephanieLMcGee That is true for the base definition yes – eg. Dresden Files use Chicago but not as a character. #UFchat
10:12 pm Cameron_Haley: UF cities can be fictional. #UFchat
10:13 pm UF_Chat: @LaylaMessner She uses a city (we’ll be defining ‘city’ in just a bit), so @caitkitt definitely qualifies. 🙂 #UFchat
10:13 pm johnnie_cakes: @UF_Chat The Sookie books are rural, and I think of them as Urban Fantasy #UFchat
10:13 pm cindymariej: I’ll be involved with #UFChat for the next hour or so @TENscribeshop account
10:13 pm LaylaMessner: @UF_Chat Oh, I thought we were saying they had to be cities that actually exist in present day #UFChat
10:13 pm VampBookClub: RT @Cameron_Haley: City as character…I think thats one of our inheritances from the noir tradition. #UFchat
10:14 pm VampBookClub: @johnnie_cakes That’s a good point. I think of them as UF, too. #UFchat
10:14 pm UF_Chat: @johnnie_cakes They are UF because they rely on Shreveport & use all the city constructs there to function. #UFchat
10:15 pm StephanieLMcGee: You have to go with the dicta of the story. If it calls for making up your own city in a real place, then do it. #UFChat
10:15 pm UF_Chat: RT @VampBookClub: RT @Cameron_Haley: City as character…I think thats one of our inheritances from the noir tradition. #UFchat
10:15 pm tasmin21: Hola, folks! Sorry I’m late! #UFChat
10:15 pm VampBookClub: @Cameron_Haley Agreed. Cities don’t need to be real — think @StaciaKane‘s Downside. #UFchat
10:15 pm UF_Chat: When stories are based in s smaller town it can get confusing – definitions coming in a bit to help with this. 🙂 #UFchat
10:16 pm StephanieLMcGee: How do you deal with avoiding stereotypes short of being able to visit the city itself? Just curious. #UFChat
10:16 pm Cameron_Haley: @VampBookClub Or Raymond Chandler’s Bay City. 😉 #UFchat
10:16 pm smexybooks: Fun chat going on right now w/ hashtag #UFchat
10:16 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 *waves* Importance of cities in UF today. #UFchat
10:16 pm AuthorWilliam: Checking in late for #UFchat. What’s the topic today?
10:17 pm UF_Chat: @VampBookClub Actually @StaciaKane‘s cities ARE based in a real place – it’s just changed (she provides big hints in bks 2 & 3) #UFchat
10:17 pm TENscribeshop: @AuthorWilliam Role of U in UF #UFchat
10:17 pm UF_Chat: Q: What cities are you aware of that have been used in UF novels? #UFchat
10:17 pm tasmin21: Was thinking about this today, re: my own book. The city itself is a rather minor part, it’s just setting. #UFChat
10:17 pm snowppl: @StephanieLMcGee google maps! #UFChat
10:17 pm tasmin21: My sequels will be in other places, too. So how much leeway? #UFChat
10:18 pm StephanieLMcGee: London and New York. But NY seems especially popular. #UFChat
10:18 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam The importance of cities in UF. From the ‘noir heritage’ of city as character to real-based worlds. #UFchat
10:18 pm VampBookClub: @UF_Chat Yes, she based them off a real city, but the actual ‘Triumph City’ isn’t real. #UFchat
10:18 pm Cameron_Haley: @tasmin21 A DEVIL IN THE DETAILS is almost suburban fantasy, which is a refreshing change. 😉 #UFchat
10:18 pm tasmin21: Mine is set in Kansas City. #UFChat
10:18 pm johnnie_cakes: @UF_Chat true, but if it’s city as character, most of the character in the books comes from Bon Temps, not Shreveport #UFchat
10:18 pm StephanieLMcGee: @snowppl But what about for character, locations within the city, culture? Maps are great for direction but need more. #UFChat
10:18 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 There is a huge variety of how cities are used but in yours we couldn’t have had your ‘weather’ without the location set. #UFchat
10:18 pm tasmin21: @Cameron_Haley Woo! Always wanted to be my own genre. 😉 #UFChat
10:19 pm VampBookClub: Re: common cities in UF. NYC, Chicago, London #UFchat
10:19 pm LaylaMessner: What about our world later (i.e. in “public” worlds) RT @UF_Chat: Yes – can be fictional but has to still be in OURworld #UFChat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: @leatherzebra Depends on reader – I know I’ve discovered books simply because wanted to see if a UF written there. #UFchat
10:19 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat Very true, didn’t think of that. #UFChat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: He he – better get to that city definition quick I see! LOL #UFchat
10:19 pm Cameron_Haley: Atlanta, Cincinatti, San Francisco, Chicago… #UFchat
10:20 pm TENscribeshop: Q-is it more common to name the city or to just let the description and feel of city tell audience where it is set #UFChat
10:20 pm tasmin21: Isn’t there a series set in Toronto? #UFChat
10:20 pm UF_Chat: S: K.Harrison chose alt Cincinnati for Hollows series not just b/cause knew from child also distance from salt water (breaks spells) #UFchat
10:20 pm StephanieLMcGee: @TENscribeshop I named my cities, just to keep the reader oriented because the characters moved a couple of times and traveled. #UFChat
10:20 pm leatherzebra: @UF_Chat Do you think there’s a draw then for people to write in certain cities to draw that “local” factor? #UFchat
10:21 pm snowppl: @StephanieLMcGee often a visit is good. or knowing people there. Most places do have a distinct feel. Write what you know 🙂 #UFChat
10:21 pm UF_Chat: Q: Why do you think authors chose places they did? What do you think attraction was to set a UF series there? #UFchat
10:21 pm Cameron_Haley: New Orleans, obviously…any UF set in Miami? That would be a great setting. #UFchat
10:21 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 That sounds familiar but I can’t think which right now… #UFchat
10:21 pm VampBookClub: RT @UF_Chat: K.Harrison chose alt Cincinnati for Hollows series not just b/c knew it also distance from salt water (breaks spells) #UFchat
10:21 pm AuthorWilliam: @Cameron_Haley Hm..that might more appropriate for #SUFchat #ufchat 🙂
10:21 pm leatherzebra: @UF_Chat Also, can you have UF style but not urban, like Ilona Andrews’ On The Edge? #UFchat
10:21 pm Shells2003: #UFchat can’t you just make your own city up? Its fantasy right? Get a little creative?
10:22 pm StephanieLMcGee: @snowppl But write what I know is so boring. SLC is not a thrilling place. #UFChat
10:22 pm tasmin21: I chose KC partly because I know it (live here) and partly as homage to Jim Butcher who wasn’t allowed to put the Dresden files here #UFChat
10:22 pm Cameron_Haley: I think Kelley Armstrong’s “Bitten” and maybe some others are in Toronto. #UFchat
10:23 pm StephanieLMcGee: I chose the cities I did b/c of what’s there. NASA. And AF bases. The research was fun for it all. #UFChat
10:23 pm leatherzebra: @UF_Chat I’m working on an UF based in Louisville as well #UFchat
10:23 pm DEcharacters: @StephanieLMcGee I think SLC can be fun. It’s diverse, has different clubs, and with the right characters/plot then it would work #UFchat
10:23 pm UF_Chat: @Shells2003 It’s one of the defining lines b/w contemp fantasy & UF fantasy – can make up a city but still must ‘exist’ in our world #UFchat
10:23 pm TENscribeshop: @StephanieLMcGee Are they real cities ? #UFChat
10:23 pm StephanieLMcGee: @DEcharacters SLC is like the least diverse place in the world. #UFChat
10:24 pm StephanieLMcGee: @TENscribeshop Yep. San Antonio, Houston, Cape Canaveral. #UFChat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: @Shells2003 Eg C. Harris’s Sookie series has false small town but near (& reliant on) the very real Shreveport. #UFchat
10:24 pm TENscribeshop: @Shells2003 It’s one of the defining lines b/w contemp fantasy & UF fantasy – can make up a city but still must ‘exist’ in our world #UFchat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: S: A rare criticism of Jim Butcher?s Dresden Files is stories don?t consistently feel rooted in Chicago. Some stories yes, some no. #UFchat
10:24 pm leatherzebra: @UF_Chat I think the city factor comes because UF is about PEOPLE, how they react to the injection of paranormal… #UFchat
10:24 pm Book_Faery: @Shells2003 It’s fun being able to experience a new city you’ve never been to when the author makes the city more of a “character” #ufchat
10:24 pm tasmin21: I’ve got another one in the works, set in San Diego ’cause I needed the ocean, and preferably a military presence. #UFChat
10:25 pm leatherzebra: @UF_Chat …and you find more people and more KINDS of people in cities, thus a richer story. #UFchat
10:25 pm DEcharacters: @StephanieLMcGee i dunno, compared to even Ogden, or Provo, it is diverse. More religions, orientations, businesses, etc #UFchat
10:25 pm Cameron_Haley: @UF_Chat He’d never been to Chicago until Book 8! All things considered, not too shabby. 😉 #UFchat
10:26 pm bettyviolablue: Mine’s set in St. Petersburg, Russia, but has much worldbuilding involved for the additional settings of Heaven and Hell. Still UF? #UFchat
10:26 pm snowppl: @StephanieLMcGee SLC? OMG Of course it is. Most people don’t think of ‘home’ as exotic. Just think of those that DON’T live there #UFChat
10:26 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 oh – nice! San Diego desperately needs one! Lots of uniqueness to that place. #UFchat
10:26 pm StephanieLMcGee: re: authenticity London. But that may be b/c I spent 2 months there on a study abroad so could picture it. #UFChat
10:26 pm DEcharacters: @StephanieLMcGee plus, imagine how the Church and some of the locations, Temple Square, would deal with Paranormal #UFchat
10:27 pm LaylaMessner: @UF_Chat London in @caitkitt‘s Black Lonson series. re: Authentic feeling (but I’ve never been to London, so… ;)) #UFChat
10:27 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley Not about shabby – not all complain either. But since criticism brought up ? is how might he have better integrated? #UFchat
10:27 pm StephanieLMcGee: @snowppl Do you know how rare it is in SLC/UT to see any sort of ethnic minority on a routine basis? #UFChat
10:27 pm Cameron_Haley: @bettyviolablue St. Petersburg definitely counts! The NIGHT WATCH books are great UF, set in Moscow. #UFchat
10:27 pm StephanieLMcGee: @DEcharacters Now, that could be interesting. You should write it. #UFChat
10:28 pm TENscribeshop: @bettyviolablue Good question. If some settings are real cities but others aren’t, still… #UFchat ?
10:28 pm UF_Chat: RT @snowppl: @StephanieLMcGee SLC? OMG Of course it is. Most people don’t think of ‘home’ as exotic. Just think of those that DON’T live there #UFChat
10:28 pm StephanieLMcGee: The 39 Clues books often, IMO, struggle with the authenticity factor. I struggle sometimes getting a sense of location. #UFChat
10:28 pm DEcharacters: @StephanieLMcGee lol. I’ll add it to my 50+ novel ideas. Sounds fun to me #UFchat
10:28 pm Cameron_Haley: @UF_Chat Probably would have helped if he’d had Google Earth when he started. 🙂 #UFchat
10:28 pm UF_Chat: S: @jolantru?s UF novel debuting 2011 takes place in Singapore (?Wolf at the Door?) – a 1st for the city/country. #UFchat
10:28 pm UF_Chat: Q: What cities would you LIKE to see UF novel take place in? Is there something a city should have to qualify as a good UF location? #UFchat
10:29 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley Yes – esp now you have the images available! (less in air fares 😉 #UFchat
10:29 pm snowppl: @StephanieLMcGee Same as rural new england? probably more minorites in SLC. 😛 #UFChat
10:29 pm StephanieLMcGee: I’d love to see some of the less touristy cities of like Hawaii, and Europe. Dig deeper into surrounding culture. #UFChat
10:29 pm bettyviolablue: @Cameron_Haley It’s the epic fantasy-style Heaven and Hell that makes me hesitate to call it UF. I think it is, but agents may not. #UFchat
10:30 pm VampBookClub: @Cameron_Haley @UF_Chat The real question: How much has Google Earth helped UF writers? lol #UFchat
10:30 pm StephanieLMcGee: @snowppl SLC is something like the 2nd least diverse city in the country. Or so I may have heard. #UFChat
10:30 pm bettyviolablue: @Cameron_Haley BTW, loved Night Watch/Day Watch movies…haven’t read books yet. Are they available in English? #UFchat
10:31 pm tasmin21: @StephanieLMcGee Oooh, Hawaii could be really cool. Lots of mythology and culture to work with there. #UFChat
10:31 pm Cameron_Haley: I’d definitely love to see more international cities — Tokyo, Hong Kong, Rome, Rio, Johannesburg…so many wonderful places! #UFchat
10:31 pm StephanieLMcGee: @tasmin21 I know, right? So would New Zealand and Australia, with the Maori and Aboriginal cultures. #UFChat
10:31 pm LaylaMessner: I agree re: Hawaii #UFChat
10:31 pm snowppl: @UF_Chat Albuquerque or Santa Fe #UFchat
10:32 pm UF_Chat: @bettyviolablue Have you read Ekaterina Sedia’s Moscow book? It’s excellent & UF tho differnt to usual kickass/leather. Recommended! #UFchat
10:32 pm StephanieLMcGee: @Cameron_Haley Oooh, Rome. Would adore to read something set there that isn’t Dan Brown. #UFChat
10:32 pm snowppl: @StephanieLMcGee lol diversity is important IRL, but for books, it’s a little less so #UFChat
10:32 pm UF_Chat: I hope UF authors are watching – a ton if ideas happening on #UFchat right now for what people want to read! #UFchat
10:32 pm snowppl: BTW, I should introduce myself. 🙂 I’m a co-mod for #ufchat. More behind the scenes.
10:33 pm StephanieLMcGee: @snowppl I guess. I do still think it would be nice to diversify in a real way so that readers’ world-views are broadened. #UFChat
10:33 pm TENscribeshop: RT @Cameron_Haley: I’d definitely love to see more international cities — Tokyo, Hong Kong, Rome, Rio, Johannesburg #UFchat
10:33 pm bettyviolablue: @UF_Chat No, I haven’t. Looks like I have some books to read. #loverussia 🙂 #UFchat
10:33 pm AuthorWilliam: @snowppl Ahhh a little southwestern setting, I like! #ufchat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: Q: Back to basics then: what is ?a city? to you? Is it the landmarks? The types of people? The language? What? #UFchat
10:34 pm StephanieLMcGee: @snowppl Navajo culture is so intriguing. Think of all the uses for turquoise in a good UF. #UFChat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: S: Urban, according to Dictionary.com, means “of, pertaining to, or designating a city or town.” #UFchat
10:34 pm Amy_tilberg: Hello, all 🙂 #UFchat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: S: ?City? def: A permnt cntr of popul, commerce & culture; town of significant size & importance (USA= 2, 500+) http://bit.ly/3hXGpA #UFchat
10:34 pm Cameron_Haley: I think diversity is hugely important in UF…otherwise, we get the same cultural traditions and context repeated over and over. #UFchat
10:35 pm UF_Chat: S: Don?t need capital city for UF. @jsmithready?s WVMP Radio bks based in Sherwood, Maryland. Sml but meets US city requirements. #UFchat
10:35 pm StephanieLMcGee: City, to me, is a place that has more than just the local bowling lane (to call a stereotype). Culture, theater, underground, etc #UFChat
10:35 pm tasmin21: A city has to encompass all those things. Even in real life, cities have personalities, and it’s due to its people & their cultures #UFChat
10:35 pm UF_Chat: @Amy_tilberg Hi! Welcome – talking about importance of cities in UF today. 🙂 #UFchat
10:35 pm anilumagloire: RT @VampBookClub: Re: common cities in UF. NYC, Chicago, London #UFchat >>. Where is Downside located in the US?
10:35 pm LaylaMessner: @UF_Chat I place with more people than a town ;). I’d heard somewhere it was defined as having a pop. over 10K #UFChat
10:36 pm TENscribeshop: @UF_Chat the landmarks, the general feel of the place. DC feels incredibly differently than LA, than NYC #UFchat
10:36 pm AuthorWilliam: RT @DEcharacters: I consider city as large population, business areas almost pushed together, dense but large spread without tons of space between #UFchat
10:36 pm Amy_tilberg: @UF_Chat Ooh thank you 🙂 I had just asked someone what the topic was 😀 #UFchat
10:36 pm snowppl: @StephanieLMcGee well you can always miff a little bit too. It is fiction after all 🙂 #UFChat
10:36 pm snowppl: @AuthorWilliam yes. very beautiful too #ufchat
10:36 pm StephanieLMcGee: Heck, if a place has more than one bookstore chain I’ll call it a city. #UFChat
10:36 pm snowppl: @StephanieLMcGee yes. although there are tons of native cultures in that area as well #UFChat
10:37 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat I’ll check it out. #UFChat
10:37 pm JordanDrew: lol RT @StephanieLMcGee: Heck, if a place has more than one bookstore chain Ill call it a city. #ufchat
10:37 pm TENscribeshop: RT @StephanieLMcGee: Heck, if a place has more than one bookstore chain I’ll call it a city. #UFChat
10:37 pm StephanieLMcGee: @snowppl Very true. Hopi and Zuni at the very least. And kachina dolls and zuni fetishes could be good elements for fantasy/UF #UFChat
10:38 pm UF_Chat: @StephanieLMcGee LOL! (Actually I think just having one technically qualifies 🙂 #UFchat
10:38 pm StephanieLMcGee: @JordanDrew @TENscribeshop What can I say? I like my freedom of choice. #UFChat
10:38 pm LaylaMessner: Grit: I think it has to do with the knowledge that the world is not simple and clean and easy, not black and white #UFChat
10:38 pm TENscribeshop: @UF_Chat Dangerous, low-income but mansions on the outside of the city #UFchat
10:39 pm Cameron_Haley: Grit: For me, it’s back to noir tradition’s emphasis on cynicism, corruption, decay, morality that’s shades of gray. #UFchat
10:39 pm snowppl: @StephanieLMcGee darn it! i now have to write UF in NM. Had to open my mouth didn’t i? :-\ #UFChat
10:40 pm StephanieLMcGee: @snowppl LOL I like NM. My dad grew up there. #UFChat
10:40 pm tasmin21: Ditto @Cameron_Haley. It’s the darkness that lurks under every soccer mom’s bright smile. 😉 #UFChat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley NOIR! (Just had to shout that – love that UF has that ‘heritage’ as you called it – grit, snark, city-charac. etc) #UFchat
10:40 pm LaylaMessner: Heck yeah! RT @Cameron_Haley. Its the darkness that lurks under every soccer moms bright smile. 😉 #UFChat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: RT @tasmin21: Ditto @Cameron_Haley. It’s the darkness that lurks under every soccer mom’s bright smile. 😉 #UFChat
10:41 pm snowppl: @StephanieLMcGee I lived there for about 2.5 years. OMG so pretty! #UFChat
10:41 pm Cameron_Haley: Nice ! RT @tasmin21: Ditto @Cameron_Haley. Its the darkness that lurks under every soccer moms bright smile. 😉 #UFchat
10:41 pm braedenwolf: Grit to me is the dark future as typified by Bladerunner #UFChat
10:41 pm tasmin21: Just realized how creepy that sounded. #UFChat
10:41 pm Cameron_Haley: @tasmin21 Hope you wrote that line down…cause we all did. 😉 #UFchat
10:42 pm snowppl: @UF_Chat lol yes, the underside. not the privileged suburbans. tho I think suburbia is scary. #UFchat
10:42 pm StephanieLMcGee: @UF_Chat I think it comes to just grounding the story. Location descriptions, out enjoying the city with danger lurking. #UFChat
10:42 pm UF_Chat: @braedenwolf The grit question relates to the genre of urban fiction – which is contemp inner city fiction. Also very dark. #UFchat
10:43 pm TENscribeshop: @UF_Chat How people actually go about their day and how they deal with things, keep emotins rooted too #UFchat
10:43 pm AuthorWilliam: @snowppl Suburbia IS scary. lol #ufchat
10:43 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat I think it’s just remembering your characters don’t operate in a vacuum. They will affect things, and be affected by them. #UFChat
10:43 pm LaylaMessner: @UF_Chat I think the locations you use need to be able to exist in the city you use, though they may or may not #UFChat
10:43 pm TENscribeshop: Quoting @braedenwolf : “Urban fiction …is contemporary inner city fiction” #UFchat
10:44 pm snowppl: @AuthorWilliam whew. I’m glad I’m not the only one. #ufchat
10:44 pm UF_Chat: @snowppl Yep – suburbia can be it’s own kind of scary. I swear we’re totally waiting for a zombie invasion where we are! #UFchat
10:44 pm VampBookClub: RT @tasmin21: I think its just remembering your characters dont operate in a vacuum. They will affect things, be affected by them. #UFchat
10:44 pm LaylaMessner: I def don’t think it has to be inner city RT @TENscribeshop @braedenwolf : “Urban fiction …is contemporary inner city fiction” #UFChat
10:45 pm StephanieLMcGee: I think you can inject fear into any setting, if done well. City where I grew up actually had more gangs than the inner-city. #UFChat
10:45 pm UF_Chat: RT @tasmin21: @UF_Chat I think it’s just remembering your characters don’t operate in a vacuum. They will affect things, and be affected by them. #UFChat
10:45 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat One way to integrate the “urban” is to flavor the story with a particularly flavorful part of the chosen city. #ufchat
10:45 pm StephanieLMcGee: But you wouldn’t know it, b/c they’re more subversive, more hidden. But still a very real threat. #UFChat
10:46 pm Cameron_Haley: I think you can definitely keep those urban themes (NOIR!) whether your world is open or closed, real city or fictional. #UFchat
10:46 pm snowppl: @UF_Chat ack! quick! get the guns and explosives! #UFchat
10:46 pm LaylaMessner: RT @AuthorWilliam One way to integrate the “urban” is to flavor the story with a particularly flavorful part of the chosen city. #UFChat
10:46 pm UF_Chat: @LaylaMessner That’s the genre of urban FICTION as opposed to urban FANTASY – easy to get mixed up with that. #UFchat
10:47 pm LaylaMessner: @UF_Chat Oh, got it. #UFChat
10:47 pm tasmin21: In open worlds,there will be new “rules”, therefore there must be new ways to break those rules. A new underbelly, different grit. #UFChat
10:47 pm UF_Chat: @snowppl No kidding. They’ve even officially named this city ‘Awesome Town’ – how can we NOT have an invasion?! Arghh! LOL #UFchat
10:48 pm snowppl: @UF_Chat really? REALLY? Run for your life! #UFchat
10:48 pm LaylaMessner: @UF_Chat Maybe UF takes that inner city feel, embodied often in paranormal/other fantasy elements and spreads it wherever #UFChat
10:48 pm UF_Chat: Q: In same vein – how are creatures/monsters affected by city locations as well as the people? Eg easy to see how vamps like cities #UFchat
10:48 pm StephanieLMcGee: @UF_Chat LOL @snowppl No kidding. They’ve even officially named this city ‘Awesome Town’- how can we not have an invasion?!… #UFChat
10:48 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat “Awesometown”??? #ufchat 😀
10:49 pm bettyviolablue: Joined #UFChat for the first time and have to run already. Thanks everyone! Hope to be at the next one.
10:49 pm StephanieLMcGee: I just read “City of Bones” by Cassandra Clare and one group is there b/c the other is drawn to the populous city. #UFChat
10:49 pm LaylaMessner: Sounds like the title of a UF novel…with a really creep cover. RT @AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat “Awesometown”??? #ufchat 😀 #UFChat
10:49 pm TENscribeshop: I definitely think it’s more the emotion of inner city lies beneath urban, than the real location @LaylaMessner @UF_Chat #UFChat
10:49 pm Cameron_Haley: @tasmin21 Right on. For example, in Mark del Franco’s Connor Grey series, there’s a Boston ghetto filled with faerie prostitutes… #UFchat
10:50 pm UF_Chat: Q: What are good tools for building authenticity of ?place? in writing UF? Eg what would be a good way to use Google Maps? #UFchat
10:50 pm StephanieLMcGee: @UF_Chat Enjoy your Saturday! #UFChat
10:50 pm snowppl: @UF_Chat ah! i see. 🙂 #UFchat
10:50 pm TENscribeshop: @UF_Chat It’s easier to hide in a city and find ways to blend in, if you have any sort of human form #UFchat
10:50 pm tasmin21: @Cameron_Haley Exactly! In my in-progress one, there’s an entire drug industry aimed at the supers, not the humans. #UFChat
10:50 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat If the creatures blend in, there are some cities where they could be more out in the open. Also depends on creatures’ vibe #ufchat
10:50 pm LaylaMessner: RT @TENscribeshop: I definitely think its more the emotion of inner city lies beneath urban, than the real location #UFChat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: @LaylaMessner OK you outed me – except it’s not fantasy anymore, it’s an autobiography! (groans) #UFchat
10:51 pm StephanieLMcGee: @UF_Chat re: bldg auth. If you need that little telling detail. Like in the space of a block there being 10-12 “No u-turn” signs. #UFChat
10:51 pm TENscribeshop: @Cameron_Haley @tasmin21 I’m from Boston – that sounds pretty accurate. #UFchat
10:51 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat And some creatures, by nature, just won’t do well in cities. Can be good conflict, if they’re forced there. #UFChat
10:51 pm LaylaMessner: RT @TENscribeshop Its easier to hide in a city and find ways to blend in, if you have any sort of human form #UFChat
10:52 pm DEcharacters: I’ve never actually used google maps for writing, then again I don’t often write UF #UFchat
10:52 pm Cameron_Haley: @TENscribeshop Okay, I did spell it “faerie” lol #UFchat
10:52 pm Amy_tilberg: I have a question, Is it OK to create your own city for an UF? #UFchat
10:52 pm LaylaMessner: Haha RT @UF_Chat: @LaylaMessner OK you outed me – except its not fantasy anymore, its an autobiography! (groans) #UFChat
10:52 pm snowppl: Idk if I like dealing with creatures in UF. Sometimes it’s just fun to have magic in cities. 🙂 #ufchat
10:52 pm StephanieLMcGee: RT @TENscribeshop: @UF_Chat Its easier to hide in a city and find ways to blend in, if you have any sort of human form #UFChat
10:52 pm VampBookClub: RT @TENscribeshop Its easier to hide in a city and find ways to blend in, if you have any sort of human form #UFchat
10:53 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 Yes -don’t see that much. I’d like to see that tension a bit more. (Not all people do well in cities either.) #UFchat
10:53 pm LaylaMessner: Maybe for “monsters” it’s like for gay people -like to live in cities cause more diverse and open minded, easier to find your tribe #UFChat
10:53 pm UF_Chat: Q: What cities would be a big challenge to write for UF? eg New Orleans Why? (See resources at chat-end for NO article) #UFchat
10:54 pm LaylaMessner: (I can say that because I’m gay) #UFChat
10:54 pm snowppl: @UF_Chat definite knowledge of the place. google maps often has pictures that help give a sense of place #UFchat
10:54 pm snowppl: @UF_Chat and of course there is street view! #UFchat
10:54 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat Now thinking monster that migrates to breed ever 200 years, only now there’s a city in the way. What happens? #UFChat
10:54 pm Cameron_Haley: Cities are like the watering hole on the savanna…lots of food! #UFchat
10:54 pm StephanieLMcGee: Re: difficult cities I think NYC b/c so many are there. How to make it unique? Any major city, IMO would be difficult. #UFChat
10:55 pm LaylaMessner: Street view rocks RT @snowppl: @UF_Chat and of course there is street view! #UFChat
10:55 pm UF_Chat: @LaylaMessner I think it’s true for any of us who feel ‘different’ as in ‘not part of the mainstream’. Cities can help. #UFchat
10:56 pm UF_Chat: S: UF can be modern or historical though UF-as-genre (pub def.) tends to be contemporary. Yet not all contemp. fantasy is UF. #UFchat
10:56 pm LaylaMessner: Yes RT @UF_Chat: @LaylaMessner I think its true for any of us who feel different as in not part of the mainstream. Cities can help. #UFChat
10:56 pm AuthorWilliam: I think Tucson would be an interesting city to set a UF story in. #ufchat
10:56 pm StephanieLMcGee: They don’t need me at work so I can stick around for longer. Yay! #UFChat
10:56 pm snowppl: @LaylaMessner yay! #amgaytoo #UFChat
10:57 pm UF_Chat: Q: (Last big one): What?s the difference between contemporary fantasy that mentions a city and UF? #UFchat
10:57 pm TENscribeshop: LA would be a difficult city because of its extreme diversity. Every corner speaks a different language. #UFChat
10:57 pm StephanieLMcGee: @AuthorWilliam Definitely. #UFChat
10:57 pm UF_Chat: RT @Cameron_Haley: Cities are like the watering hole on the savanna…lots of food! #UFchat
10:57 pm LaylaMessner: yay! and I like that #tag RT @snowppl: yay! #amgaytoo #UFChat
10:58 pm AuthorWilliam: I think Halifax, NS might be challenging for UF, it seemed too pristine when I visited. Great for other types of stories tho. #ufchat
10:58 pm LaylaMessner: Good Q RT @UF_Chat: Q: (Last big one): What?s the difference between contemporary fantasy that mentions a city and UF? #UFChat
10:58 pm UF_Chat: @TENscribeshop Wondering if that’s the reason Buffy was set in a suburb – LA proper is so diverse. Difficult to pin down accurately #UFchat
10:59 pm StephanieLMcGee: @AuthorWilliam But think about how much fun you could have turning the city on its head and making it gritty! #UFChat
10:59 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley Can you chime in on UF-ing LA? Did you find it difficult to pin down due to big extremes (incl entertainment)? #UFchat
10:59 pm VampBookClub: RT @UF_Chat: Q: (Last big one): What?s the difference between contemporary fantasy that mentions a city and UF? #UFchat
11:00 pm snowppl: @AuthorWilliam ooh but pristine can mean = hidden underside #ufchat
11:00 pm StephanieLMcGee: RE: diff b/t UF and contemp, I’m not one to speak. Still a newbie to this whole genre. Used to high fantasy. #UFChat
11:00 pm AuthorWilliam: @StephanieLMcGee True! #ufchat I have every intention of setting a story there. It had a lasting impact on me. Not sure it’ll be UF tho.
11:01 pm Cameron_Haley: @UF_Chat I love that diversity. The heroine is multicultural (Mexican-Irish), I’ve got Chinese, Korean, Somali, Russian chars… #UFchat
11:01 pm TENscribeshop: @UF_Chat Yes, nearly every block here is a prime location. Suburbs are all pretty similar on the surface #UFchat
11:01 pm LaylaMessner: Okay, laptop battery dying and dog attacking couch = time to run. Thanks for a great #UFChat
11:01 pm AuthorWilliam: @snowppl True…hmm…Perhaps this means Disney should consider setting its next squeaky clean musical in Detroit… #ufchat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: @snowppl Yes – pristine mean. Look at the clubs and the rich elite for an extreme example. Corruption not far from privilege. #UFchat
11:02 pm StephanieLMcGee: RE: diversity, I think it’s hugely important and yet I botched it in my current project. (Racism a huge sub-plot/pt. of char. arc.) #UFChat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: @Cameron_Haley Agree loving diversity. (Am also writing an LA-based UF -much easier now am living here tho) #UFchat
11:03 pm StephanieLMcGee: I should say, overcoming racism is a huge part of it. Not the act itself. #UFChat
11:03 pm snowppl: @AuthorWilliam LOL! #ufchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: That hour went quickly! That?s a wrap for #UFchat today! Resources & announcements for the week being tweeted next. #UFchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: Announcement: @Patti_OShea is our Special Guest Author for a Q&A on Paranormal Romance/ Urban Fantasy crossover, August 21st! #UFchat
11:03 pm Cameron_Haley: @UF_Chat Definitely — I lived there for a year, and even that was a big help. #UFchat
11:04 pm StephanieLMcGee: Thanks, everyone! This was fun. See you in a couple weeks. (I work next Sat. so have to miss. 😦 ) #UFChat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: Upcoming TOPIC: UF – The Good, the Bad & the Untapped: Urban Fantasy Pet Peeves & Wish Lists – what readers REALLY want (now). #UFchat
11:04 pm TENscribeshop: @UF_Chat Wow! That did go quickly. Thanks everyone. I would love suggestions for other chats #UFchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: Also aiming to add new weekly post to #UFchat blog just before or just after Sat: ?UF Related Links & Tweets This Week? #UFchat
11:04 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat LA is a great city for UF. #ufchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: Please RT our special announcement: Q&A with @Patti_OShea on the UF/PNR overlap ? August 21st! {NEXT WEEK!] #UFchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: No new releases found for the week of August 8th to 14th by UF authors on Twitter. (If know of one, please @inkgypsy) #UFchat
11:05 pm TENscribeshop: @UF_Chat Getting that article to rea dahead of time was very helpful, thank you. #UFchat
11:05 pm snowppl: That was a great chat! Now I think I have to make dinner. 🙂 #ufchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam Yes – this one is proving a ton of fun to write. 🙂 #UFchat
11:06 pm StephanieLMcGee: RT @UF_Chat: @Patti_OShea is our Special Guest Author for a Q&A on Paranormal Romance/ Urban Fantasy crossover, August 21st! #UFChat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Some UF resources on today?s topic (the URBAN of urban fantasy) for writers & readers in the next few tweets: #UFchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: City As Character by @Suzanne_Johnson for the Tor blog during Urban Fantasy focus month. http://bit.ly/9lQTlA #UFchat
11:06 pm tasmin21: Thanks for the chat guys! Back to work for me. #UFChat
11:06 pm Cameron_Haley: Thanks, all. See you next week! #UFchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: @TENscribeshop No worries! I’ll try to put up an early bird primer every week now. #UFchat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 Thanks! Awesome input. Looking forward to next book in series and next place too. 🙂 #UFchat
11:07 pm VampBookClub: RT @UF_Chat: Please RT our special announcement: Q&A with @Patti_OShea on the UF/PNR overlap ? August 21st! {NEXT WEEK!] #UFchat
11:07 pm TENscribeshop: RT @UF_Chat: Please RT our special announcement: Q&A with @Patti_OShea on the UF/PNR overlap ? August 21st! {NEXT WEEK!] #UFchat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: What Urban Fantasy Means To Me by @SusanSizemore (For Tor blog) The real world with the weird. http://bit.ly/ab1dN4 #UFchat
11:07 pm AuthorWilliam: Great chat, wish I could have been present for the whole thing. Another great topic today! Love talking urban settings. #ufchat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: The Urban Fantasy Community (with excellent definitions) on Facebook http://bit.ly/cpFNyP #UFchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: [Don’t fully agree but good food for thought]: Urban Fantasy Always Takes Place in Alternate Worlds http://bit.ly/biOzuX #UFchat
11:08 pm AuthorWilliam: RT @UF_Chat: Please RT our special announcement: Q&A with @Patti_OShea on the UF/PNR overlap ? August 21st! {NEXT WEEK!] #UFchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam Thanks for stopping by – you can catch up with the transcript. 🙂 Up in 36 hrs to allow for late comment-inclusion. #UFchat
11:09 pm TENscribeshop: RT @UF_Chat: The Urban Fantasy Community (with excellent definitions) on Facebook http://bit.ly/cpFNyP #UFchat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: Paper Cities antho edited by Ekaterina Sedia was attempt to bring ?urban? back to UF with interesting results. http://bit.ly/bGp7CU #UFchat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: Reminder: UF writers announcement: Sheep & Wolves contest http://bit.ly/bx23QLUFchat Write traditional monster from new perspective. #
11:09 pm UF_Chat: We are slowly making a list of UF authors on Twitter on #UFchat blog site. Please suggest more by @-ing @inkgypsy or @snowppl #UFchat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: @UF_Chat going dark. 😉 Transcript will be available on the #UFchat blog in 36hrs-ish, allowing for late comments to be added. #UFchat
11:11 pm monstermax3: RT @VampBookClub: RT @UF_Chat: Please RT our special announcement: Q&A with @Patti_OShea on the UF/PNR overlap ? August 21st! {NEXT WEEK!] #UFchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: Thanks to everyone today! Awesome chat, input and ideas for all busy writing UF. See you all next week for our special author Q&A! #UFchat
11:11 pm VampBookClub: Authors: #UFchat is making a list of UF authors on Twittter. Hit up @inkgypsy if you’d like to be included.
11:14 pm UF_Chat: RT @VampBookClub: Authors: #UFchat is making a list of UF authors on Twittter. Hit up @inkgypsy if you’d like to be included.
11:14 pm inkgypsy: RT @VampBookClub: Authors: #UFchat is making a list of UF authors on Twittter. Hit up @inkgypsy if you’d like to be included.
11:15 pm inkgypsy: Wow – that hour really flew in #UFchat today – a ton of excellent resources and ideas. Wanna write UF? Check out today’s chat for ton ideas!
11:15 pm jimnduncan: Aw rats, missed #ufchat this week.
11:16 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat Always a pleasure. I love talking genre. It’s not such a study of marketing trends but of how we express ourselves as well. #ufchat
11:19 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam Thanks! And agreed. Think people are drawn to genres for a reason – not (just) about popcorn. 😉 #Ufchat
11:23 pm shadowflame1974: RT @UF_Chat: Please RT our special announcement: Q&A with @Patti_OShea on the UF/PNR overlap ? August 21st! {NEXT WEEK!] #UFchat
11:25 pm jimnduncan: RT @VampBookClub Late reply but think UF has a darker, dirtier, more violent tone to it than contemp. fant. bit of a generalization #ufchat
11:26 pm shadowflame1974: #UFchat thanks for the discussion.
11:31 pm luvreading05: RT @VampBookClub: RT @UF_Chat: Please RT our special announcement: Q&A with @Patti_OShea on the UF/PNR overlap ? August 21st! {NEXT WEEK!] #UFchat
11:36 pm rixshep: Late comment rt @UF_Chat @Cameron_Haley: Cities like watering hole on savanna, lots of food! #UFchat / As in “prey” for nonhumans!
11:36 pm inkgypsy: @jimnduncan The noir roots of UF have actually added a few things… going to be bigger topic than people realize. #UFchat
11:47 pm JennCNTaylor: RT @VampBookClub: RT @UF_Chat: K.Harrison chose alt Cincinnati for Hollows series not just b/c knew it also distance from salt water (breaks spells) #UFchat
August 15, 2010
12:02 am inkgypsy: @tadbo Aiming for before midnight Sunday night. 🙂 Or you can look up the #UFchat hashtag right now. 🙂
12:13 am inkgypsy: @JulieeJohnsonn Blogging for fairy tales only – plus big #UFchat prep (that went very well today). Plus a little more WIP writing. 🙂
12:33 am JulieeJohnsonn: @inkgypsy very happy about #UFchat if only to get great book ideas 4 reading! its quick becoming my fav genre…gravitating to it like crazy
1:16 am ThunderBirdsDie: RT @VampBookClub: RT @tasmin21: I think its just remembering your characters dont operate in a vacuum. They will affect things, be affected by them. #UFchat
6:34 am jolantru: RT @UF_Chat: S: @jolantru?s UF novel debuting 2011 takes place in Singapore (?Wolf at the Door?) – a 1st for the city/country. #UFchat
6:59 am HereBeGeeks: RT @UF_Chat: S: @jolantru?s UF novel debuting 2011 takes place in Singapore (?Wolf at the Door?) – a 1st for the city/country. #UFchat
7:37 am AnassaRh: Timelineing another novel-day (or two), then rewarding myself with #ufchat.
8:36 am AnassaRh: Urban: set in city. Should feel like chosen city, but grit isn’t a must. Possible to live in city + only /glimpse/ underbelly. #ufchat
8:39 am AnassaRh: I’m with those saying “urban” important because gives reference points. Also, it sets the mood and expectations for the reader. #ufchat
8:41 am AnassaRh: I will expect a different experience from LA UF, NYC UF, and London UF. May even choose new reads based on city. #ufchat
8:43 am AnassaRh: Agree RT@StephanieLMcGee: I think thr R varying degrees of inclusion. It cn still B UF if in a modern city, but city not nec. a char #UFChat
8:49 am AnassaRh: I’d like more UF in the Sookie vein: town/city too small for skyscrapers, surrounded by rural areas, small-town feel. #UFChat
8:53 am AnassaRh: The Big City might be glamorous, but it’s not the only kind. Lots of places make “city” population cut but lack glitz. Grew up in 1. #UFChat
9:01 am AnassaRh: Cities used: London, Seattle, Chicago, Boston, Atlanta, Denver, Cincinatti, Toronto, Vancouver, NYC, San Francisco, Portland. #UFChat
9:03 am AnassaRh: Lillith St. Crow has series in?New Mexico? Didn’t catch city name.Don’t know enough US geog. to know if D. Rowland’s Beaulac is real #UFChat
9:04 am AnassaRh: And yes, I did just use a “have read” list for reference. #UFChat
9:09 am AnassaRh: Benefit/Detractor? Usu benefit 4 me as book feels authentic, but don’t want location-dropping or only local knowledge. @leatherzebra #UFChat
9:11 am AnassaRh: I like a range: mention the Eiffel Tower + Notre Dame, but also that perfect little bistro + the obscure plaza. @leatherzebra #UFChat
9:17 am AnassaRh: @StephanieLMcGee For culture, etc. I’d read books, articles, blogs by locals. And nearly every demographic’s repped on Youtube. #UFChat
9:19 am AnassaRh: @tasmin21 Is the Toronto series Tanya Huff’s Blood series? I know that’s mostly set there. #UFChat
9:22 am AnassaRh: @TENscribeshop I think it’s more common to name the city. Can’t assume reader can ID. Most UF is fairly descriptive, though. #UFChat
9:29 am AnassaRh: Chose Vancouver for easy research on budget, more confidence with feel, scarcity of stories. Keeping for racial demographics. #UFChat
9:34 am AnassaRh: Authenticity comes from good description + me having good idea of location/area already. Otherwise, city’s just a place. #UFChat
9:37 am AnassaRh: To be a good setting, city should have history, legends, distinctiveness. Should at least be recognizable, too. #UFChat
9:39 am AnassaRh: Would love more international UF (South America? Asia?), but almost more close to home. Halifax, Montreal, Calgary?. #UFChat
9:39 am AnassaRh: RT @Cameron_Haley: I think diversity is hugely important in UF…otherwise, we get the same cultural traditions and context repeated over and over. #UFchat
9:42 am AnassaRh: My def. of “city” is influenced by my small-city, large-town BG. City is population center, has malls, bars, govt. offices. #UFChat
9:45 am AnassaRh: “City” doesn’t need dense residential areas or famous culture. Doesn’t need to make people nervous after dark. #UFChat
9:47 am AnassaRh: Biggest landmark in my city was the rodeo grounds. Tallest apartment building was 4 stories. Most people had houses. #ufchat
9:48 am AnassaRh: I’m not intending to sound annoyed with Big City UF. Love it! But not all cities follow the same model. #UFChat
9:50 am AnassaRh: Hear, hear! RT @LaylaMessner: Grit: I think it has 2 do w/ knowledge that the world is not simple & clean & easy, not black & white #UFChat
9:51 am AnassaRh: Also grit = realism. Not just one culture, one class, one ethnicity. Conflict. #UFChat
9:53 am AnassaRh: I tend to steer clear of books that seem to accent corruption and decay 2 strongly. Personally find it depressing. Little’s ok, tho. #UFChat
9:59 am AnassaRh: Integrating urban: have to keep the feel and culture of the city in mind. What’s it like downtown? How do people react? #UFChat
10:01 am AnassaRh: Also what do buildings look like? Businesses? What are the demographics in certain areas? Basically, need mental map, and StreetView #UFChat
10:02 am jolantru: @AnassaRh I am writing international UF – story set in Singapore (my own country). #UFchat
10:03 am AnassaRh: I occasionally play at wandering locations and looking through characters’ eyes. Find it inspiring, and helpful when writing. #UFChat
10:04 am AnassaRh: @jolantru I know! Excited for it. But also want others, y’know? #UFChat
10:07 am jolantru: @AnassaRh Yes, we definitely need to have more! #UFchat
10:07 am AnassaRh: I think, to get urban-ness across in open world, should still have look and feel as much as possible. Only change what’s necessary. #UFChat
10:09 am AnassaRh: RT @tasmin21: @UF_Chat Now thinking monster that migrates to breed ever 200 years, only now there’s a city in the way. What happens? #UFChat
10:16 am AnassaRh: For me, diff. btwn UF and contempory fantasy cities is focus. In UF, city is obvs. present, there is snark, there is mystery. #ufchat
10:18 am AnassaRh: In contemporary, city is background. The story just happens to be in a certain city. Not deliberately set there, even when it is. #ufchat
10:21 am AnassaRh: UF treats history, locales as reasons for monsters, places to stage fights. Contemp. sees history as mood/theme/analogy ? #UFChat
10:22 am AnassaRh: ? and locales as places for any number of things to happen. Also, contemp seems to have slower pace, lean more towards epic fantasy. #UFChat
10:22 am AnassaRh: And yes, I know I’ve said some of that in other chats. #UFChat
10:24 am AnassaRh: Lots of great questions on #UFChat tonight! Stayed up way too late answering them. Hope to wake in time for work tomorrow. 😉
10:28 am Mariemns: Well.. Lots of great questions on #UFChat tonight! Stayed up way too late answering them. Hope to wake in time for work tomorrow. 😉 :@
10:31 am jolantru: RT @AnassaRh: UF treats history, locales as reasons for monsters, places to stage fights. Contemp. sees history as mood/theme/analogy ? #UFChat
10:33 am jolantru: RT @UF_Chat: @tasmin21 You may be interested in @jolantru‘s discussion with me (@inkgypsy) last night about culture etc (under #UFchat hashtag) #UFchat
3:25 pm jhameia: RT @UF_Chat: S: @jolantru?s UF novel debuting 2011 takes place in Singapore (?Wolf at the Door?) – a 1st for the city/country. #UFchat
3:38 pm SusanSizemore: RT @UF_Chat: What Urban Fantasy Means To Me by @SusanSizemore (For Tor blog) The real world with the weird. http://bit.ly/ab1dN4 #UFchat

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END OF TRANSCRIPT FOR AUGUST 14th, 2010

Thanks for a busy, fruitful and fun chat everyone! The comments collected will be very useful for people deciding on their next UF location.

Be sure to check out the resource posts/essays and more tweeted at the end of the chat time.

We’ve added a “Published UF authors on Twitter” page to the blog (check the link at the very top of the page) and linked it to a list on Twitter for easy following. This is a list in progress that we’re adding to bit by bit. If you see someone you think should be on there, there’s a good chance we just haven’t gotten to adding them yet BUT please always feel free to add suggestions by @-ing @inkgypsy or @snowppl and we’ll add them to the list ASAP.

Stay tuned to @UF_Chat on Twitter for more details on next week’s special author Q&A with Patti O’Shea! (@Patti_OShea)

See you next week!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)

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