#UFchat – chat for urban fantasy writers

Transcript for August 7, 2010 – Secret (closed) worlds vs ‘Revamped’ (open) worlds

TOPIC: Secret (hidden) worlds vs ‘Revamped’ (open) worlds – what is your preference? What do you like to read? To write? What are the advantages and disadvantages of each?

1:25 am AnassaRh: For the night tweeters: On my blog: An Interesting Take on Parapsychology http://bit.ly/caLy40 #ghost #writing #ufchat
4:12 am UF_Chat: #UFchat TOPIC tomorrow: Secret (hidden) worlds vs ‘revamped’ (open) worlds: advantage/disadvantages of each? What’s your preference? 3pm PST
1:20 pm StephanieLMcGee: When it comes to secret vs. re-vamped real world, I’m torn. Love Jasper Fforde’s dystopian take on Earth and love hidden worlds. #UFchat
1:54 pm Sandy_Wills: @inkgypsy I *think* I can make the #UFchat. If I’m home, I’ll definitely be there.
2:37 pm StephanieLMcGee: As for secret worlds, if done well they can be really fun. I like making my character see his world from the eyes of the secret one #UFchat
5:33 pm AnassaRh: Just retweeted 3 myth-related tweets. Great story fodder! Go look?or read @jessnevins latest. πŸ™‚ #ufchat #scifichat
6:09 pm editorialdept: Have any of you been following the UF/Paranormal discussions at the tor.com blog? Interesting stuff! http://bit.ly/caJoFu #ufchat
9:00 pm UF_Chat: Bong, bong, bong! 1 hour till #UFchat! Do you like a secret entrance into a UF world or prefer magic & monsters out on the streets? 3pm PST
9:00 pm inkgypsy: Bong, bong, bong! 1 hour till #UFchat! Do you like a secret entrance into a UF world or prefer magic & monsters out on the streets? 3pm PST
9:30 pm UF_Chat: 1/2 hour countdown to #UFchat! Want your fangs in public or only seen by those in the know? Come discuss hidden vs open magic worlds 3pm PST
9:45 pm UF_Chat: 15 mins to go. Getting my #UFchat boots on – bring your monster spotting goggles – they could be anywhere.. hidden vs open worlds @3pm PST!
9:48 pm editorialdept: RT @UF_Chat: 15 min. countdown to #UFchat! Want your fangs in public or only seen by those in the know? Hidden vs open magic worlds 3pm PST
9:49 pm deargdawn: @Jinxie_G what is #UFChat?
9:50 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @deargdawn It’s a magical place where we dance whenever we’re able. #UFChat
9:50 pm inkgypsy: @kazmahoney Oh that would be awesome! Feel free to mention your books & what kind of worlds you like to build (hidden vs open) #UFchat
9:51 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @deargdawn Urban Fantasy chat – sorry about the gratuitous camelot reference. #UFChat
9:52 pm inkgypsy: @deargdawn Urban fantasy chat – all kinds – literary, dark, comic, PR overlap, noir… all UF all the time. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
9:54 pm Shawn_II: Gonna kick back and check out the #UFChat today.
9:55 pm UF_Chat: I’m swapping my @inkgypsy hat for my @UF_chat hat (it has awesome horns). Boots, check. Goggles, check. Official #UFchat badge, check! πŸ˜‰
9:55 pm inkgypsy: I’m swapping my @inkgypsy hat for my @UF_chat hat (it has awesome horns). Boots, check. Goggles, check. Official #UFchat badge, check! πŸ˜‰
9:56 pm wildbloom: I finally made it to one of the chats this week. Yay me. #ufchat
9:57 pm UF_Chat: @Shawn_II Whoo yeah! We got Da Fang today! Looking forward to your two bites… πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
9:57 pm leapetra: I didn’t think I would make it, but all our guests have left, computer free! #ufchat
9:57 pm wildbloom: @AuthorWilliam Hi William! I know, look at me go. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
9:58 pm AuthorWilliam: @wildbloom LOL πŸ™‚ #ufchat
9:58 pm leapetra: Hidden or out in the open worlds, I like to mix it up. like platform 9 3/4 #ufchat
9:58 pm Shawn_II: @UF_Chat Don’t know how much I’ll participate, but I’ll hang out for a bit. *winks* #UFchat
9:59 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: I like a hidden but porous environment. #UFchat
9:59 pm leapetra: @Ben_Aaronovitch I like that better #ufchat
9:59 pm MeganCurd: Hey all! I’m finally getting to be here for the chat! πŸ™‚ What’s the topic? #ufchat
10:00 pm 12threefour: having a mix both secret/none works. because things that go bump in the night are around, doesn’t mean they show themselves always. #UFChat
10:00 pm UF_Chat: 3, 2… and we are now live with #UFchat! Hope you have your boots on – we have a lot of ground to cover today! #UFchat
10:00 pm tasmin21: @UF_Chat Not going to be able to follow #UFChat again this week. 😦 Bad author, no donut.
10:00 pm Jinxie_G: I actually prefer the hidden world to the everyone knows about the things that go bump in the night. #UFChat
10:00 pm UF_Chat: @12threefour Hi! You got it in! Good to see you. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:00 pm AuthorWilliam: RT @UF_Chat: 3, 2… and we are now live with #UFchat! Hope you have your boots on – we have a lot of ground to cover today! #UFchat
10:01 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: I also like the idea that things are beginning to seep in through the cracks. #UFchat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: @tasmin21 We’ll miss you – you can always add comments for the transcript. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:01 pm CameronHaleyUF: Howdy all! #UFchat
10:01 pm AshelynnS: Hidden world, definitely. #UFchat
10:01 pm 12threefour: M/S and Tweetchat open, so I might read more than I post, but hey… ~waves~ #UFchat
10:01 pm Jinxie_G: LOVE @msmissyjane‘s world in They Call Me Death, though, bc when shifters become public, there’s an all-out war. #UFChat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: Do you prefer spy cams or front page photo ops 2 catch sight of your magic/monsters? While we settle here’s some announcements: #UFchat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: Announcement: @Patti_OShea is our Special Guest Author for a Q&A on Paranormal Romance/ Urban Fantasy crossover, August 21st! #UFchat
10:02 pm leapetra: If you are using a hidden world, think of something better, like the magic only works there ,or something #ufchat
10:02 pm AuthorWilliam: Locked an loaded for today’s #UFchat! TOPIC: Hidden worlds vs. open worlds ? Preference? What are advantages of & disadvantages of each?
10:02 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Fear/Hatred. It depends on the motives for the world being hidden. #UFchat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: UF authors on Twitter w new books/anthos out: @KelleyArmstrong @RachelCaine @Jeaniene_Frost @lilithsaintcrow @katiemacalister #UFchat
10:03 pm UF_Chat: More Twitter UF authors with new books out last week: @trentonomicon @MistressKrisG @katrchrdsn @Kate4Queen @DevynQuinn #UFchat
10:03 pm UF_Chat: Special announcement from @RachelCaine next tweet: (due to illness & missing yesterday?s signing appearance she has xtra offer) #UFchat
10:03 pm UF_Chat: RT @rachelcaine I *will be* at Legacy tonight @ 7 pm & I will not only sign whatever anyone brings but will take U to dinner too. #UFchat
10:03 pm 12threefour: @leapetra like harry potter were the muggle saw plain boring stuff instead of the magical. Or fairy magic working best in nevernever #UFchat
10:04 pm UF_Chat: Phew! Front announcements done & people already into the secret versus open/remade magic world topic. What’s your preference? #UFchat
10:04 pm editorialdept: I tend to write worlds where “other” is out in the open, but the full depth of “other” remains a mystery w/ room to explore #ufchat
10:04 pm AuthorWilliam: I think hidden worlds are a great choice, the danger is when the characters that are aware of the hidden world have too much status #ufchat
10:05 pm valerievaldes: RT @UF_Chat: 3, 2… and we are now live with #UFchat! Hope you have your boots on – we have a lot of ground to cover today! #UFchat
10:05 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: I think the vast majority of people already half-believe in some kind of supernatural so may be easier to hide in plain sight. #UFChat
10:05 pm UF_Chat: Harry Potter is specifically a ‘hidden’ world where only those in the know knew about the magic & creatures. Dresden Files also. #UFchat
10:05 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: I’m not expressing this very well. #UFchat
10:05 pm 12threefour: My main issue with all secret, or all open is people aren’t like that. Why would all monsters think alike and want the same thing? #UFchat
10:05 pm leapetra: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: I think the vast majority of people already half-believe in some kind of supernatural… hide in plain sight. #ufchat
10:05 pm UF_Chat: The Rachel Morgan series (K. Harrisson) is open – the vamps/wolves ‘came out’ and the world as we know it changed. #UFchat
10:06 pm AudryT: The rumors that they bite are mostly untrue. πŸ˜‰ RT@kazmahoney …lurking at my first ever #UFchat. It seems quite friendly so far…
10:06 pm Patti_OShea: RT @UF_Chat: Announcement: @Patti_OShea is our Special Guest Author for a Q&A on Paranormal Romance/ Urban Fantasy crossover, August 21st! #UFchat
10:06 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @leapetra Thank you. #ufchat
10:06 pm leapetra: I like the hide in plain sight. Remember the troll market in Hellboy 2 it was right under the Brooklyn Bridge. #ufchat
10:06 pm kjhatch: Both hidden and open can be great, but I like the contrast and discovery of hidden more. I’m drawn in more to the setting. #UFChat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: @12threefour Think the main thing re ‘open’ is if creatures out in open then impact on world is huge – changes everything. #UFchat
10:07 pm editorialdept: In Changer, Lindskold let sasquatches find each other online, in sequel Legends Walking, Pan and satyrs played “costumed” dancers #ufchat
10:07 pm leapetra: What if they are in “open” but humans condition themselves not to see it? #ufchat
10:08 pm miranda00writes: I prefer closed worlds – I find the idea of a hidden world interesting. #UFchat
10:08 pm UF_Chat: Personally (as @inkgypsy) I write and prefer ‘hidden’ where world is same as we know it with extras – but love reading both. #UFchat
10:08 pm editorialdept: It was a fun exploration of how modern technology could allow paranormal entities to mix & mingle in real world w/o being truly out #ufchat
10:08 pm Shawn_II: Only some of us bite. #UFchat
10:08 pm leapetra: The classic SEP. Somebody Else’s Problem #ufchat
10:08 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra He he – you could argue we do that anyway. There’s a lot people choose not to see. That’s classified as ‘hidden’ tho. #UFchat
10:08 pm CameronHaleyUF: I agree, UF_Chat: Of the “open” worlds, I prefer the ones that are damn near post-apocalyptic (Kate Daniels, Downside, etc.). #UFchat
10:08 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Open can be fun too. #UFChat
10:09 pm kjhatch: I think even in an open world there should be a second layer that’s hidden, a place for those who don’t like or want to be known. #UFChat
10:09 pm AshelynnS: @UF_Chat I prefer writing in a hidden world, but I do have a few stories with an open world. #UFchat
10:09 pm leapetra: The Night Watch series handled it well. It was open, but there were layers, that an other could go, humans couldn’t #ufchat
10:09 pm AuthorWilliam: Open worlds do create major shifts but can explore some of how our society deals with things that are different. X-men comes to mind #ufchat
10:09 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @leapetra People do it for everything else why not the supernatural? #ufchat
10:10 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Hide in plain sight is awesome premise. Falls on the side of ‘hidden’ as far as definitions go, even tho is blurring line #UFchat
10:10 pm Jinxie_G: I ❀ P Briggs’ Mercy Thompson series bc it shows a bit of both worlds and majority of magical world hidden, never to be revealed. #UFChat
10:10 pm leapetra: Most of my stories are semi open, you have to find your “doorway” in, or know the password. #ufchat
10:10 pm inkgypsy: RT @CameronHaleyUF: I agree, UF_Chat: Of the “open” worlds, I prefer the ones that are damn near post-apocalyptic (Kate Daniels, Downside, etc.). #UFchat
10:10 pm wildbloom: —mingle in society. #ufchat
10:11 pm AuthorWilliam: RT @kjhatch: I think even in an open world there should be a second layer that’s hidden, a place for those who don’t like or want to be known. #UFChat
10:11 pm CameronHaleyUF: I’m trying to show both sides in The Underworld Cycle. It’s hidden in MOB RULES but becomes more open as the series progresses. #UFchat
10:11 pm leapetra: @Ben_Aaronovitch Or to hide a spaceship, Thank you Douglas Adams. #ufchat
10:11 pm AuthorWilliam: @kjhatch Interesting – I like. #ufchat
10:12 pm Jinxie_G: @UF_Chat I don’t know about that. @msmissyjane kept it pretty much UF and paranormal in her book. #UFChat
10:12 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: I think it’s easier to have half-open in England because of the historical nature of some institutions. #UFChat
10:12 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat It could, but why not. Some sci fi works better as fantasy and not hard sci fi #ufchat
10:12 pm UF_Chat: QUESTION: So what are the advantages of having an OPEN world as opposed to a closed one? (And vice versa) #UFchat
10:12 pm editorialdept: RT @UF_Chat: open world – does anyone feel it pushes toward soft-sci-fi? <<not unless magic is out due to technology. Magic=fantasy #ufchat
10:13 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @AuthorWilliam I like the idea of layers. #UFChat
10:13 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra I agree – I think it hops along the borders of soft sci-fi. In fact I’ve read a definite overlap. Find it fascinating. #UFchat
10:13 pm 12threefour: @Ben_Aaronovitch like Simon Green “The Nightside” it’s all a parallel universe were weird stuff lives. #UFchat
10:14 pm jflamingo2: I’m open to ‘open’ worlds too but I have to dream it just right in my head. It takes some getting used to the way that world works. #UFchat
10:14 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept How about magic as a new technology? EG Devon Monk’s series? #UFchat
10:14 pm CameronHaleyUF: @UF_Chat Open probably allows more world-building…less of the world is as we know it relative to closed. #UFchat
10:14 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Lots of fun integrating classic ‘monsters’ into human society. cf: Ankh Morpork. #UFchat
10:14 pm wildbloom: @UF_Chat I think there’s advantages to both, depending on the story. Whatever one makes it more interesting. #ufchat
10:14 pm editorialdept: Adv. of open world – less need to explain. If open is the norm, you don’t have to harp on why no one is surprised by a talking cat. #ufchat
10:15 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat Exploration of friction in and open society – allegoric of cultural bias and prejudice is one advantage #ufchat
10:15 pm UF_Chat: Neil Gaiman’s Neverwhere with London Below was essentially a parallel world. Essentially hidden for this definition. #UFchat
10:15 pm leapetra: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Lots of fun integrating classic monsters into human society. cf: Ankh Morpork. YAY! #ufchat
10:15 pm 12threefour: if supes walked the world, to me, it would just make sense they would have an ‘out’ world for mundanes, and a hidden world for them #UFchat
10:15 pm editorialdept: @UF_Chat Haven’t read that, but it’s going on my list now. Haven’t seen that kind of crossover yet! #ufchat
10:15 pm AudryT: Tricky to handle a secret world when your narrator doesn’t know about it, but the reader does or can guess early on. #ufchat
10:15 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @leapetra Plus America has towns that nobody knows exists. #ufchat
10:15 pm AuthorWilliam: @Ben_Aaronovitch Right on, me too. Give the writer freedom the reader a dynamic look. #ufchat
10:16 pm kjhatch: @UF_Chat I don’t think it’s soft-scifi unless the open world is detailed to the point of pseudo-science. #UFChat
10:16 pm 12threefour: non-supes do that now…look at us, we have our own forums/conventions/etc. that aren’t public or advertised on television. #UFchat
10:16 pm jflamingo2: If it’s not soft sci-fi, than it may be considered dystopia. Or are they considered about the same thing? #UFchat
10:17 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat A hidden society creates immediate tension with there being something of huge important that the masses are unaware of #ufchat
10:17 pm leapetra: people believe in Alien complexes underground, So why not trolls instead? #ufchat
10:17 pm AudryT: @UF_Chat I’d say all world building is difficult, if you want to make it convincing. #ufchat
10:17 pm editorialdept: @UF_Chat I think open worlds allow the author to write in shorthand about magic, but world must still be fully realized to be “real” #ufchat
10:17 pm TheSpinecracker: RT @UF_Chat: TODAY?S TOPIC: Hidden worlds versus open worlds ? what do you prefer? What are advantages & disadvantages of each? #UFchat #UFchat
10:17 pm CameronHaleyUF: @UF_Chat I think a well drawn open world requires more world building and more effort to enagage that suspension of disbelief #UFchat
10:18 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept Magic is essentially the new technology and comes with a heavy price of use. 1st here http://amzn.to/cNDUnt #UFchat
10:18 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @AudryT World Building is the most fun you can have on your own. #ufchat
10:18 pm 12threefour: @leapetra are you implying there are not trolls under bridges? Who are those guys who keep asking me to pay tolls? 😦 #UFchat
10:18 pm leapetra: Sounds like there are many forms of hidden, from hiding away from humans to hiding in plain sight. I like the latter. #ufchat
10:18 pm AudryT: @AuthorWilliam Most humans are too egotistical to accept that other intelligent life-forms might also be native. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
10:18 pm Mad_Hatter_Tea: RT @leapetra: people believe in Alien complexes underground, So why not trolls instead? #ufchat
10:19 pm leapetra: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: @AudryT World Building is the most fun you can have on your own. #ufchat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: @AudryT πŸ˜‰ (You got it! It’s not simpler in one form than another if you’re going for believability.) #UFchat
10:19 pm kjhatch: Lots of SF is soft too; as long as the basis is science it’s not sci-fantasy; UF as soft-scifi needs to establish its own sci basis #UFChat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: @AudryT I love that – case in point – we learn more about animals every year – eg dolphins, chimps, whales even have cultures. #UFchat
10:20 pm AuthorWilliam: World building can create a burden of building authenticity (@AudryT) But it offers freedom to author and a unique journey to reader #ufchat
10:20 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @leapetra If your planning on a long series its best to have many layers so your supernatural characters can be surprised as well #ufchat
10:20 pm UF_Chat: RT @kjhatch: Lots of SF is soft too; as long as the basis is science it’s not sci-fantasy; UF as soft-scifi needs to establish its own sci basis #UFChat
10:21 pm inkgypsy: RT @AudryT: @AuthorWilliam Most humans are too egotistical to accept that other intelligent life-forms might also be native. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
10:21 pm VampBookClub: Both have their advantages. Monsters in the open allows for societal allegories and a shift from typical dynamics. #UFchat
10:21 pm UF_Chat: RT @12threefour: @leapetra are you implying there are not trolls under bridges? Who are those guys who keep asking me to pay tolls? 😦 #UFchat
10:21 pm BillNigh: RT @leapetra: people believe in Alien complexes underground, So why not trolls instead? #ufchat ~ Why choose?
10:22 pm leapetra: Best part in planing your world is how much is “real” and how much do you make up #ufchat
10:22 pm VampBookClub: Though, with the monsters hidden we get the thrilling ‘bump in the night’ factor and get to feel like we’re in on something. #UFchat
10:22 pm kjhatch: @UF_Chat I don’t think open worlds require more world building than anything else; setting details can be light or detailed. #UFChat
10:22 pm AuthorWilliam: RT @AudryT: @AuthorWilliam Most humans are too egotistical to accept that other intelligent life-forms might also be native. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
10:22 pm leapetra: From my first novel: People are slaughtered in a vampire fight. News reports end of the world cult went on a killing spree. #ufchat
10:23 pm inkgypsy: RT @AudryT: @UF_Chat I’d say all world building is difficult, if you want to make it convincing. #ufchat
10:23 pm AudryT: Yes! RT@VampBookClub: With monsters hidden we get the thrilling bump in the night factor and get to feel like were in on something. #ufchat
10:23 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @VampBookClub Or if they’ve been assimulated a ‘bump in the day’ moment. #UFchat
10:23 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam Agree hidden = auto tension but also the new adjust period is fascinating too – MUCH tension there #UFchat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: @jflamingo2 Dytopia – that word is appearing a LOT in UF right now. Usually re open worlds. #UFchat
10:24 pm AudryT: @AudryT And even if the reader guesses at the secrets, the revelation can still be thrilling if handled well. #ufchat
10:24 pm kjhatch: Totally agree RT @AuthorWilliam A hidden society creates immediate tension with something of huge import & the masses are unaware #ufchat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: @VampBookClub Or if theyve been assimulated a bump in the day moment. #UFchat
10:24 pm AuthorWilliam: @VampBookClub Definitely. The audience gets to be in the know. Can be a delightful device to play with! #ufchat
10:24 pm jflamingo2: Both worlds, open or hidden, would take effort to build up. The key would be that it felt real and believable – what people grasp #UFchat
10:25 pm inkgypsy: RT @VampBookClub: Though, with the monsters hidden we get the thrilling ‘bump in the night’ factor and get to feel like we’re in on something. #UFchat
10:25 pm CameronHaleyUF: @inkgypsy Yes, and I imagine it depends on how extensive the supernatural element is, too. Limited supes = easier to “open” #UFchat
10:25 pm VampBookClub: That, too! RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: Or if they’ve been assimulated a ‘bump in the day’ moment. #UFchat
10:25 pm AudryT: @UF_Chat I’m pretty sure the chimps are plotting to take over. #betterwatchyourmangos #ufchat
10:26 pm UF_Chat: RT @VampBookClub: Both have their advantages. Monsters in the open allows for societal allegories and a shift from typical dynamics. #UFchat
10:26 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: On staying hidden: media coverage is much more sporadic and patchy then people realise. #UFChat
10:26 pm kjhatch: @VampBookClub I agree, but hidden monsters can serve the same allegorical function if the hidden world mirrors/echos the open #UFChat
10:26 pm leapetra: @AudryT If the cats don’t beat them too it (what am I saying give the cats a window with sunlight, they wouldn’t care) #ufchat
10:26 pm amandha_katsu: RT @VampBookClub: Both have their advantages. Monsters in the open allows for societal allegories and a shift from typical dynamics. #UFchat
10:27 pm inkgypsy: @CameronHaleyUF Agreed! I like the differing challenges of each tho I more naturally write closed myself. Important to read both. #UFchat
10:27 pm AuthorWilliam: Absolutely! RT @VampBookClub Monsters in the open allows for societal allegories and a shift from typical dynamics. #UFchat
10:27 pm jflamingo2: Wow, dystopia: to re-open a world. I like that suggestion. Brilliant! @UF_Chat #UFchat
10:27 pm editorialdept: @leapetra we can subdue our potential cat overlords with bonito flakes, fuzzy blankets and belly rubs. Catnip for heavy artillery πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:28 pm amandha_katsu: RT @VampBookClub: Though, with the monsters hidden we get the thrilling ‘bump in the night’ factor and get to feel like we’re in on something. #UFchat
10:28 pm inkgypsy: @StaciaKane You have any announcements you want to make? #UFchat is on right now & buzzing. πŸ™‚ (Dystopia came up)
10:28 pm Jinxie_G: @LeanneBennett In the #UFChat? Yes.
10:28 pm VampBookClub: RT @kjhatch: @VampBookClub I agree, but hidden monsters can serve the same allegorical function if the hidden world mirrors/echos the open #UFChat
10:28 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept LOL! (catnip for werecats) It actually works on leopards, lions etc so why not? #UFchat
10:29 pm rixshep: RT @leapetra: I like the hide in plain sight. Remember the troll market in Hellboy 2 it was right under the Brooklyn Bridge. #ufchat
10:29 pm UF_Chat: RT @kjhatch: @VampBookClub I agree, but hidden monsters can serve the same allegorical function if the hidden world mirrors/echos the open #UFChat
10:30 pm 12threefour: The world can still be affected even if the monsters are hidden. great misdirection to be had in ex vampire killers #UFchat
10:30 pm AudryT: Struggling right now w/writing a secret world where the reader will expect one surprise and get another. #layersonlayers #abitch #ufchat
10:30 pm 12threefour: er, explaining… not former-vampires πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:30 pm UF_Chat: @kjhatch Good point there! Closed doesn’t have to be all about ‘hiding’. #UFchat
10:31 pm kjhatch: @VampBookClub I think the issue is that to get the same effect, you almost have to take an complete open world and hide it. #ufchat
10:31 pm leapetra: RT @UF_Chat: @kjhatch Good point there! Closed doesnt have to be all about hiding. #ufchat
10:31 pm rixshep: rt @UF_Chat @12threefour ‘Open’ if creatures out in open then huge impact on world – changes everything. #UFchat / I like to see impact!
10:31 pm UF_Chat: @jbeemills There are a lot out there in the open. πŸ™‚ I can get you recommendations after the chat or others may have some here too. #UFchat
10:32 pm AuthorWilliam: @leapetra Sounds like your point exactly, hidden in plain sight. >> “Closed doesnt have to be all about hiding. #ufchat
10:32 pm jbeemills: @UF_Chat Thanks! @inkgypsy was getting me some recs the other day, too. I’m interested, but not informed about this genre. #ufchat
10:33 pm AudryT: @jbeemills “Mom, it’s that werewolf eating our trash again!” “That’s just a homeless man in a fur coat, dear.” “Wake up, Mom.” #ufchat
10:33 pm jflamingo2: RT @jbeemills: Hi! Just jumping in. I don’t write UF (yet), but I would like to see monsters out in the open that most everyone’s in denial about. #ufchat
10:33 pm VampBookClub: @kjhatch World-building in itself can be tedious if not done carefully, crafting two without overwhelming readers can be hard #UFchat
10:33 pm kjhatch: It also leads to the other world/dimension setting where the hidden is not hidden, just permanently separate. #UFChat
10:33 pm editorialdept: One of my favorite tropes is magic in the open, but secret societies to explore. It’s like a good thriller/spy novel w/ magic #ufchat
10:34 pm jbeemills: @AudryT Exactly! Ha ha ha ha! #ufchat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: I haz tweet delay – sorry folks! #UFchat
10:34 pm leapetra: Hard to put a fully open world in modern society, easier to rewrite history #ufchat
10:34 pm inkgypsy: RT @VampBookClub: @kjhatch World-building in itself can be tedious if not done carefully, crafting two without overwhelming readers can be hard #UFchat
10:35 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: I have the gods of the tributaries of the Thames playing an active role in London politics – behind the scenes. #UFchat
10:35 pm rixshep: Altho #Sanctuary is “scifi” it fits closed UF very well. ‘Normals’ refuse to see what they don’t want to. #ufchat
10:35 pm VampBookClub: RT @UF_Chat QUESTION: What are people’s favorite ‘closed’ world books & fave ‘open’ world books & why? #UFchat
10:36 pm rixshep: In ‘open’, author has to rebuild the ‘real’ world to show impact. In ‘closed’, has to explain how it manages to remain hidden. #ufchat
10:36 pm jbeemills: @AudryT Or maybe the children are the only ones that can see the monsters. Very Twilight Zone. #ufchat
10:36 pm VampBookClub: Favorite open would be @StaciaKane‘s new Downside Ghosts series, @burningbunnies The Hollows and early Southern Vampire Mysteries #UFchat
10:36 pm kjhatch: @VampBookClub Oh definitely! I think limiting the readers’ exposure or providing a guide mechanism is helpful then. #UFChat
10:36 pm jflamingo2: @jbeemills I’d like to see those perspectives on those monsters that people are in denial about. See them differently. Change up. #UFchat
10:36 pm 12threefour: I really like the way SOOKIE STACKHOUSE novels merged both. Vamps were out and about, but the shifters had their own rules. #UFchat
10:37 pm leapetra: World building should not be done for the reader, unless you are writing something like Tolkien. #ufchat
10:37 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @jbeemills I like that. #ufchat
10:37 pm UF_Chat: QUESTION: What do people think about the ‘mix’ of supernatural in there – human vs half human vs all non-human? #UFchat
10:38 pm rixshep: rt @AuthorWilliam @UF_Chat Exploration of friction in and open society – allegoric of cultural bias and prejudice is one advantage #ufchat
10:38 pm UF_Chat: How does the mixing of human and non affect open and closed world building? #UFchat
10:38 pm 12threefour: @UF_Chat I’m pro-mix (obviously) #UFchat
10:38 pm VampBookClub: RT @12threefour: I really like the way SOOKIE STACKHOUSE novels merged both. Vamps were out, but the shifters had their own rules. #UFchat
10:38 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat It could work, for me you better have the biological reasons why it would happen. #ufchat
10:38 pm AudryT: Good picks. RT @VampBookClub: Favorite open would be @StaciaKane‘s new Downside Ghosts series, @burningbunnies The Hollows… #ufchat
10:38 pm CameronHaleyUF: Favorite closed: Tim Powers “Declare.” He created a whole secret occult history of the Cold War. #UFchat
10:39 pm rixshep: rt @kjhatch Lots of SF soft too; as long as basis is science it’s not sci-fantasy; UF as soft-scifi needs its own sci basis #UFChat
10:39 pm VampBookClub: @UF_Chat Bring on the nephilim! #UFchat
10:40 pm AuthorWilliam: A: I think whenever you work with a “child of two worlds” an opportunity for a unique and telling perspective can be seized. #ufchat
10:40 pm leapetra: although discworld is considered “straight” fantasy #ufchat
10:40 pm rixshep: rt @AudryT @UF_Chat I’d say all world building is difficult, if you want to make it convincing. #ufchat
10:40 pm jbeemills: @jflamingo2 Fear can transform your perspective pretty easily. It could work well. #ufchat
10:40 pm leapetra: @VampBookClub OMG guess what I was researching today, and the Annunaki #ufchat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: When we blend human and non who are the real monsters then? What do people truly fear in ‘open’ worlds if they know what goes bump? #UFchat
10:41 pm 12threefour: I think mixing humans gives you a jumping point to carry into sub-arcs that can develop the char and way s/he works in their world. #UFchat
10:41 pm AuthorWilliam: Awesome. RT @VampireBookClub @UF_Chat Bring on the nephilim! #UFchat
10:41 pm leapetra: @UF_Chat if you know that is a werewolf making that bump, you still would be scared. like the bear going through your yard. #ufchat
10:41 pm AudryT: As readers, what can end up frustrating you about secret worlds? The secret being obvious? The world being shallow in the end? #ufchat
10:42 pm UF_Chat: UF definitely has the whole ‘alien among us’ approach. Clear in closed & newly open worlds. What about long-time open ones? #UFchat
10:42 pm amandha_katsu: @VampBookClub Closed: Women of the Otherworld by Kelley Armstrong / Open: Sookie Stackhouse #UFchat
10:42 pm CameronHaleyUF: @UF_Chat I don’t think it’s necessarily any less frightening when you know there really is a monster under your bed. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:42 pm editorialdept: RT @UF_Chat: What do people truly fear in open worlds if they know what goes bump? <<death, pain, loss-more universal themes #ufchat
10:42 pm wildbloom: @Ben_Aaronovitch Yes. It was almost required for that particular story. Lots of tension. #ufchat
10:42 pm leapetra: @AudryT for me it the hiding because they think the humans fear them. #ufchat
10:42 pm 12threefour: @AudryT for me, it’s when the suspension of belief just won’t get me over the fact something is happening. #UFchat
10:43 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Hopefully yes – though you’d be surprised how many people think ‘cool’ and forget about the danger (Yellowstone probs) #UFchat
10:43 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: I always like the fairie/human stuff aspect of Vance’s Lyonesse. #UFChat
10:43 pm rixshep: rt @AuthorWilliam World building can create burden of authenticity (@AudryT) But offers freedom to author & nique journey to reader #ufchat
10:43 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept Agreed – themes get more universal – essentially the monsters/fear factor becomes hidden again. #UFchat
10:44 pm VampBookClub: Even in long open world people will fear the ‘other’ and still may not have first-hand experiences with said ‘monsters” #UFchat
10:44 pm CameronHaleyUF: @UF_Chat And it’s true that some open worlds humanize the monsters to such an extent that they lose their edge. #UFchat
10:45 pm leapetra: I’m playing around with the idea vampires are hidden, because popular culture has portrayed the wrong image. (1/2) #ufchat
10:45 pm AuthorWilliam: @AudryT For me its when those that know about the world are given too high of a status and those in the dark are played too dumbish #ufchat
10:45 pm 12threefour: @CameronHaleyUF very true, and it makes me sad. 😦 Monsters are not people, why would they constantly act like them. #UFchat
10:45 pm leapetra: So they can hunt in the open as long as they act like the popular image of a vampire. (2/2) #ufchat
10:45 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: World building offers the chance to build worlds! How cool is that? #UFchat
10:46 pm UF_Chat: @CameronHaleyUF Agreed but if is ‘normal’ then people ‘can’ quickly be desensitized. Separates 2 groups of people there I think. #UFchat
10:46 pm UF_Chat: RT @AudryT: As readers, what can end up frustrating you about secret worlds? The secret being obvious? The world being shallow in the end? #ufchat
10:46 pm editorialdept: I think one failure of worldbuilding is when an author makes all character hopes/fears based on human interests #ufchat
10:46 pm AudryT: @UF_Chat We are jaded in this day and age. We’d probably mistake a werewolf for a promotional hologram. #ufchat
10:47 pm editorialdept: Robin McKinley did a great job of keeping the vampires alien/other in Sunshine, despite potential to make them soft & human-like #ufchat
10:47 pm JulieeJohnsonn: hey fellow urban fantasy enthusiasts, writer/readers, #ufchat is in progress! hurry on over! see you there!
10:47 pm Reader_Writer: RT @AuthorWilliam Looking to get some #amreading time in before this afternoon’s #UFchat. http://bit.ly/9d9yvz
10:47 pm UF_Chat: @AudryT LOL you might just be right – I live near Hollywood: Was that an accident or a movie? (not kidding either) #UFchat
10:47 pm VampBookClub: @CameronHaleyUF Agreed. Sometimes it’s worse to know what’s after you, and that those stories of monsters are real. #UFchat
10:47 pm UF_Chat: RT @editorialdept: Robin McKinley did a great job of keeping the vampires alien/other in Sunshine, despite potential to make them soft & human-like #ufchat
10:48 pm CameronHaleyUF: @UF_Chat Agreed, but I don’t think “open” necessarily implies “normal.” Still plenty to be afraid of, for example, in “I Am Legend.” #UFchat
10:48 pm AudryT: @editorialdept Meaning, the human interests take priority or are considered more important? #ufchat
10:48 pm UF_Chat: RT @JulieeJohnsonn: hey fellow urban fantasy enthusiasts, writer/readers, #ufchat is in progress! hurry on over! see you there!
10:48 pm rixshep: rt @UF_Chat @AudryT LOL you might be right – I live near Hollywood: Was that an accident or a movie? (not kidding either) #UFchat // Heh!
10:48 pm AudryT: @editorialdept Oh, wait, you mean when other species come of as behaving like humans with accessories. #ufchat
10:48 pm UF_Chat: @Reader_Writer #UFchat is on right now. πŸ™‚ 10 minutes-ish to go still – come join us.
10:49 pm editorialdept: @AudryT I guess I’m trying to get at how it’s a failure of imagination to fail to remind readers what sets paranormals apart #ufchat
10:49 pm UF_Chat: @CameronHaleyUF Ooh – forgot about that – different again! Humans become the endangered species. #UFchat
10:50 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept I also have seen a tendency to have paranormals be just like humans – esp in YA. Think it dilutes the impact. #UFchat
10:50 pm LaylaMessner: My internet went down – just made it to Mom’s. What’s on deck? #UFChat
10:50 pm AudryT: @editorialdept For some books, the paranormal is nothing more than window dressing for an otherwise normal story. #ufchat
10:51 pm editorialdept: @AudryT humans w/ access.-ha! yes, + failing to illustrate WHY paranormals are “other”, and drive it home. culture/desire/motivation #ufchat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: @VampBookClub Hence the thriller aspect & noir being popular plot vehicles for UF I think. #UFchat
10:52 pm kjhatch: I’m afraid I need to to run; thanks for the chat all, was fun! #UFChat
10:52 pm AudryT: @editorialdept So rarely is a unique culture built around another species. Usually just variation on human culture. #ufchat
10:52 pm UF_Chat: @LaylaMessner Hidden vs open. What do you prefer? Is it worse for all 2 know monster real or 2 be only one who knows? #UFchat
10:52 pm AuthorWilliam: @kjhatch enjoy your day! #ufchat
10:52 pm 12threefour: Sorry guys, MS is calling me names now… have to go. thanks for the flow of ideas, great chat! #UFchat
10:53 pm UF_Chat: @AudryT That seems to be more a sci-fi trope – building unique culture on other species tho are some in UF too. #UFchat
10:53 pm leapetra: It is important to think about how the paranormals interact. For me I used animal society structures #ufchat
10:53 pm last_lines: hi all..first time in this chat..is it held weekly? #ufchat
10:53 pm editorialdept: Precisely! RT @AudryT: So rarely is a unique culture built around another species. Usually just variation on human culture. #ufchat
10:53 pm UF_Chat: RT @AudryT: @editorialdept Oh, wait, you mean when other species come of as behaving like humans with accessories. #ufchat
10:54 pm rixshep: rt @CameronHaleyUF @UF_Chat It’s true some open worlds humanize monsters to such extent they lose their edge. #UFchat / Good point!
10:54 pm LaylaMessner: @UF_Chat Hmm. I definitely prefer hidden – but I have no idea why πŸ˜‰ #UFChat
10:54 pm leapetra: @last_lines yes it is #ufchat
10:54 pm editorialdept: One of my fave authors, Jane Lindskold, had a post on Tor blog about how most werewolves don’t have much basis in real wolf behavior #ufchat
10:54 pm inkgypsy: @VampBookClub True (re long open not 1st hand) Look how bad we are with different cultures still! #UFchat
10:54 pm rixshep: @last_lines Every Saturday, 3pm pst. #ufchat
10:55 pm AudryT: Is there a secret world hidden in our normal world that y’all would like to live in? Other than Harry Potter’s. #nottheeasyones #ufchat
10:55 pm UF_Chat: @last_lines Hi! Yes a weekly chat. πŸ™‚ 3pm PST/ 6pm EST Urban fantasy all the time! #UFchat
10:55 pm leapetra: @editorialdept She’s right, most werewolves in stories our based on our fear of what wolves could do. #ufchat
10:55 pm Jinxie_G: @editorialdept Mine do. #UFChat
10:55 pm inkgypsy: RT @editorialdept: One of my fave authors, Jane Lindskold, had a post on Tor blog about how most werewolves don’t have much basis in real wolf behavior #ufchat
10:56 pm AudryT: Oh, Lord, it’s always the ones with typos that get RT’d. *sigh* #ufchat
10:56 pm editorialdept: If you’re going to set up your para. folk as uniquely “other”, be sure to stick to it & don’t dilute them into humans w/ fangs/fur #ufchat
10:56 pm rixshep: rt @editorialdept if author wants were-folk 2b humans w/fur, fine, but if meant to be nuanced ‘monsters’, show reader WHY #ufchat // Yes!
10:56 pm leapetra: @AudryT Find me the L-Space path to Discworld and I would be happy. #ufchat
10:56 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept We’ll be having a topic about monsters and man soon too. Think that would be a good article to bring to table. #UFchat
10:56 pm UF_Chat: Some UF resources on today?s topic (hidden & open UF worlds) for writers & readers in the next few tweets: #UFchat
10:57 pm UF_Chat: Grounding Fantasy in Reality by Laura Bickle http://bit.ly/c0st90 #UFchat
10:57 pm UF_Chat: Worlds Within Worlds by Timothy Doyle http://bit.ly/bRkFf9 #UFchat
10:57 pm rixshep: rt @UF_Chat rt @editorialdept I have seen tendency to have paranormals be just like humans – esp in YA. Think it dilutes impact. #UFchat
10:57 pm UF_Chat: The Two Types of Urban Fantasy from Atsiko?s Chimney blog http://bit.ly/duiU2Z #UFchat
10:57 pm last_lines: @leapetra Thanks and also thanks for sending me the link #ufchat
10:57 pm UF_Chat: Reminder: UF writers announcement: Sheep & Wolves contest http://bit.ly/bx23QL Write traditional monster from new perspective. #UFchat
10:57 pm AudryT: RT @UF_Chat: Grounding Fantasy in Reality by Laura Bickle http://bit.ly/c0st90 #ufchat
10:58 pm Jinxie_G: Interesting chat today. I’m going to go work now, since I haven’t been able to all week. *waves* Laters. #UFChat
10:58 pm last_lines: @UF_Chat Thanks…I will definitely be joining. Love fantasy and am at work on my first fantasy novel.. #ufchat
10:58 pm UF_Chat: RT @rixshep: rt @editorialdept if author wants were-folk 2b humans w/fur, fine, but if meant to be nuanced ‘monsters’, show reader WHY #ufchat // Yes!
10:58 pm AuthorWilliam: Great chat today everyone. Must go feed the offspring. Thanks again to @UF_Chat for another good one. #ufchat
10:59 pm Jinxie_G: And I have no idea why that posted twice. lol #UFChat
10:59 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Time for bed – byeeee #UFchat
10:59 pm UF_Chat: @LaylaMessner Do you prefer reading or writing hidden or both? #UFchat Examples?
11:00 pm CameronHaleyUF: @UF_Chat thanks for another great #UFchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: Announcement: @Patti_OShea is our Special Guest Author for a Q&A on Paranormal Romance/ Urban Fantasy crossover, August 21st! #UFChat
11:00 pm VampBookClub: @leapetra Is it weird that I would TOTALLY read about the excluded werecow? Because I would. #UFchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: Some new UF releases this last week by authors here on Twitter to be tweeted next, along with links to the books: #UFchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: New UF release this week: Waking the Witch by @KelleyArmstrong http://alturl.com/m8jat #UFchat
11:01 pm LaylaMessner: @UF_Chat Both reading and writing hidden. Still trying to figure out why. Briggs. Meyer. Rowling. #UFChat
11:01 pm AudryT: @editorialdept Trick is to make a fantasy creature’s culture accessible to human understanding, but not grounded in human behavior. #ufchat
11:01 pm LaylaMessner: I am currently surrounded by chaos – difficult to think πŸ˜‰ #UFChat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: @VampBookClub @leapetra What? Werecow? Where? (Wanna read – adore cows – they’re very smart in their own way) #UFchat
11:01 pm UF_Chat: New UF release this week: Total Eclipse (Weather Warden #9 & Final in series) by @RachelCaine http://amzn.to/95Qxm6 #UFchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: New UF release: Death?s Excellent Vacation (anthology) incl @Jeaniene_Frost @lilithsaintcrow @katiemacalister http://amzn.to/bkpZZi #UFchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: New UF release this week: Death Most Definite by @trentonomicon http://amzn.to/aiWP0F #UFchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: New UF release this week: The Demon Hunt by @MistressKrisG http://amzn.to/bMZKeT #UFchat
11:02 pm VampBookClub: For those #UFchat readers who also dig on the PNR, our August group read is @JASaare‘s CRIMSON MOON: http://ow.ly/2mtP9
11:02 pm LaylaMessner: @editorialdept I think the movement to have paranormals be like humans is balancing traditional tendency to treat as monsters #UFChat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: New UF releases this week: Vanished (PB) http://amzn.to/bCiryT & Labyrinth (HC) http://amzn.to/97Aybc both by @katrchrdsn #UFchat
11:02 pm jbeemills: My dogs just got out in the middle of chat. Almost got hit by a car. I guess monsters in the open can be scary… #ufchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: New UF release this week: Kiss of the Rose: The Tudor Vampires by @Kate4Queen http://amzn.to/9vyKJN #UFchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: New UF release this week: Siren?s Call: Dark Tides by @DevynQuinn http://amzn.to/cXqYfo #UFchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: We are slowly making a list of UF authors on Twitter on #UFchat blog site. Please suggest more by @-ing @UF_Chat, @inkgypsy or @snowppl
11:03 pm leapetra: @jbeemills Is he/she ok? #ufchat
11:04 pm editorialdept: @UF_Chat for future reference, here’s that post I mentioned – http://www.tor.com/blogs/2009/01/hard-fantasy #ufchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: That?s a wrap for #UFchat today! Please RT our special announcement: Q&A with @Patti_OShea on the UF/PR overlap ? August 21st!
11:05 pm jbeemills: They (one he & one she) are ok…after 15 minutes of hunting/chasing. Thx for asking. #ufchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: @jbeemills Oh goodness! Anything that threatens my animals or my kid gives me heart failure. Monsters come in all shapes/sizes. #UFchat
11:05 pm UF_Chat: RT @editorialdept: @UF_Chat for future reference, here’s that post I mentioned – http://www.tor.com/blogs/2009/01/hard-fantasy #ufchat
11:06 pm LaylaMessner: @last_lines I have dif weres in my story too – must be a movement #UFChat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: @CameronHaleyUF Thank you! See you next week. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: RT @AudryT: @editorialdept Trick is to make a fantasy creature’s culture accessible to human understanding, but not grounded in human behavior. #ufchat
11:08 pm leapetra: @last_lines I have werewolves, a berserk, and shapeshifters. Fun part, who’s clothes stay with them? #ufchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: . @UF_Chat going dark. πŸ˜‰ Transcript will be available on #UFchat blog in 24hrs-ish allowing for post-chat comments to be added. πŸ™‚ Thx all!
11:09 pm LaylaMessner: @UF_Chat Cool – thanks! Have a great weekend everyone. #UFChat
11:09 pm jbeemills: @UF_Chat I my heart is still beating pretty fast… #ufchat
11:09 pm last_lines: my fantasy uses my own creatures from my imagination and creatures from african mythology..blend of old and new..love myths #ufchat
11:10 pm VampBookClub: RT @UF_Chat: . @UF_Chat going dark. πŸ˜‰ Transcript will be available on #UFchat blog in 24hrs-ish allowing for post-chat comments to be added. πŸ™‚ Thx all!
11:12 pm inkgypsy: With pictures – (#UFchat UF writere alert) RT @davefenton: 18 ways to protect your home from evil spirits… http://bit.ly/cT7vUH
11:13 pm inkgypsy: @kjhatch Thanks for your contribution today – excellent as always. #UFchat
11:14 pm jflamingo2: Very nice #UFchat today. Lots to learn. Thanks everyone for sharing ideas. @UF_Chat
11:15 pm inkgypsy: RT @leapetra: It is important to think about how the paranormals interact. For me I used animal society structures #ufchat
11:15 pm UF_Chat: @jflamingo2 Thank you! Hope to see you next week. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:16 pm snowppl: @UF_Chat OMG I sooooo missed UF Chat today! So sorry! Been brain dead all day. 😦 #UFchat
11:20 pm inkgypsy: RT @IntenseWhisper: Mindful Musings: Blog Tour for Dracula My Love by Syrie James: http://bit.ly/aiKBB4 via @addthis #UFchat
11:21 pm inkgypsy: @leapetra Did anyone mention were-llamas? There are more than a few… πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:22 pm inkgypsy: @Jinxie_G Thanks so much for coming today. Appreciate your weekends are super-precious now! #UFchat
11:23 pm Jinxie_G: @inkgypsy No problem, chica. I enjoy it. *winks* #UFChat
11:24 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam Thanks for popping in today and for your insightful comments as per usual. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:24 pm Samuel_Clemons: RT @inkgypsy: RT @IntenseWhisper: Mindful Musings: Blog Tour for Dracula My Love by Syrie James: http://bit.ly/aiKBB4 via @addthis #UFchat
11:26 pm inkgypsy: Announcement: @Patti_OShea is our Special Guest Author for a Q&A on Paranormal Romance/ Urban Fantasy crossover, August 21st! #UFChat
11:32 pm inkgypsy: RT @VampBookClub: For those #UFchat readers who also dig on the PNR, our August group read is @JASaare‘s CRIMSON MOON: http://ow.ly/2mtP9
11:34 pm TheSpinecracker: RT @UF_Chat: . @UF_Chat going dark. πŸ˜‰ Transcript will be available on #UFchat blog in 24hrs-ish allowing for post-chat comments to be added. πŸ™‚ Thx all!
11:35 pm larissa_sarah: RT @UF_Chat: New UF release this week: Total Eclipse (Weather Warden #9 & Final in series) by @RachelCaine http://amzn.to/95Qxm6 #UFchat
11:38 pm inkgypsy: @thedaisyharris Just saw your comment on #UFchat blog site. You can totally write it from the zombie perspective. Would be awesome. G’luck!
August 8, 2010
12:04 am inkgypsy: What is#writersmovement about? (I know I missed it – may overlap with #UFchat)
12:06 am inkgypsy: @DevonMonk I brought your Allie books up in #UFchat today – magic as new tech. You may have some new readers soon. πŸ˜‰
12:08 am JLCoburn: @inkgypsy Maybe I need to make more of an effort to check out #UFChat next week since I was woken up at 2am with a UF Story idea.
12:09 am inkgypsy: @JulieeJohnsonn Thanks for popping in to the chat today. We’ll be talking historical UF in a few weeks which you may like. #UFchat
12:10 am inkgypsy: @JLCoburn You’d be very welcome – you may like their brains (very tasty and full of good ideas & theories) πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
12:11 am inkgypsy: @DevonMonk No worries – was pleased could mention your books in context (as @UF_Chat mod). Many were intrigued re magic as new tech. #UFchat
12:38 am inkgypsy: @JulieeJohnsonn If you love the idea, write it! There’s def. a market. Look at all the kick-assing of the classics! (another #UFchat topic)
12:47 am inkgypsy: @jolantru MOrning! You only just missed #UFchat – really – still tweets happening. LOL
12:52 am jolantru: @inkgypsy Checking the tweets out now. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
1:16 am AuthorWilliam: #Shoutout to today’s #UFCHAT buddies! @rixshep @kjhatch @AudryT @BenAaronovitch @wildbloom @UF_Chat Good times!
1:19 am AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat Always a pleasure! πŸ™‚ #UFchat
1:50 am Mdesmondobrien: RT @UF_Chat: Grounding Fantasy in Reality by Laura Bickle http://bit.ly/c0st90 #ufchat
4:02 am jbeemills: Thanks to everyone who let me crash #ufchat today. It just looked so fun; I want to switch genres now.
4:15 am rixshep: RT @AuthorWilliam: #Shoutout to today’s #UFCHAT buddies! @rixshep @kjhatch @AudryT @BenAaronovitch @wildbloom @UF_Chat Good times!
5:05 am wildbloom: RT @AuthorWilliam: #Shoutout to today’s #UFCHAT buddies! @rixshep @kjhatch @AudryT @BenAaronovitch @wildbloom @UF_Chat Good times!
7:49 am inkgypsy: @AnassaRh Loking forward to your #UFchat input/comments!
7:57 am AnassaRh: Okay, buckling down to reading #ufchat transcript before I turn in. There will be comments. Ye be warned.
8:00 am AnassaRh: I’ve enjoyed both hidden and open worlds. Both appeal for different reasons. But the two worlds I’m working with atm are open. #ufchat
8:03 am AnassaRh: I like reading hidden worlds b/c the isolation enhances the ‘magic’. I like thinking that world could be real, just don’t know it. #ufchat
8:04 am AnassaRh: I like reading open worlds because of interplay between ‘normal’ and ‘magic’. How do they deal with each other? How much is known? #ufchat
8:05 am AnassaRh: I think it’s harder to do a good open world, though. More to think about, because you have to deal with human reactions too. #ufchat
8:05 am AnassaRh: Hidden worlds, you can get away with a degree of hand-waving?”The humans don’t know! They ignore! They forget!” #ufchat
8:07 am AnassaRh: I write open worlds because I like the interplay I mentioned. It’s also more suited to my humor?or maybe that’s just my ideas. #ufchat
8:09 am AnassaRh: Of course, hidden-world hand-waving can make for sloppy world-building. #ufchat
8:11 am AnassaRh: Same. Love reading those! RT @editorialdept: I tend 2 write worlds whr “other” is open, but full depth of “other” remains a mystery #ufchat
8:29 am AnassaRh: Open world = soft SF? Depends on world, but mostly I think no. To me, SF =hi-tech, lo-magic. Haven’t seen much open take that route #ufchat
8:30 am AnassaRh: Dystopia and/or post-apocalyptic? Yes, but they’re not solely SF tropes for me, at all. #ufchat
8:32 am AnassaRh: The UF that borders on SF 4 me is kind whr magic’s worked into tech, tech enhances/destroys magic, or science explains hidden world. #ufchat
8:34 am AnassaRh: Kelly McCullough’s books are great egs of UF/SF blend. Spells as computer programs, goblins that become computers, dimension travel. #ufchat
8:41 am AnassaRh: Has anyone written UF with chupacabras? #randomthought #ufchat
8:45 am AnassaRh: Who feared in open world? Probably monsters still, and already feared humans. Possibly we’d make up new monsters. #ufchat
8:47 am AnassaRh: Hmm, another thought: Do vamps/weres/fae etc. fear fictional monsters? Does Mrs. Were warn baby against the Man With Silver Hands? #ufchat
8:47 am AnassaRh: And if so, would humans in an open world adopt the monsters’ monsters? #ufchat
8:51 am AnassaRh: As for mix of human + non, don’t care for “only part turned” but “born half” can be ok. Like the tension human, half, + non create. #ufchat
8:53 am AnassaRh: And that tension’s going to have a huge effect on world-building, either way. Closed=halfs belong nowhere. Open=usu stigma too? #ufchat
8:54 am AnassaRh: ? though can see halfs as praised for being go-betweens, poster children. See how human this half-vamp is? How vampiric still? #ufchat
8:57 am AnassaRh: Long open world: D. D. Barant’s world has vamps, weres, golems dominant since WWII. Humans nearly extinct. People split on solution. #ufchat
8:58 am AnassaRh: Plot? RT @UF_Chat: @leapetra Hopefully yes – though you’d be surprised how many people think ‘cool’ and forget about the danger #UFchat
9:07 am AnassaRh: And that’s it with my #ufchat tweets for the evening. Sorry for spamming if you weren’t interested. Looks like I had a lot to say?
9:36 am LeanneBennett: @Jinxie_G I LOVE Mercedes Thompson books! So what’s #UFChat then?
1:40 pm ahugheswriter: RT @AudryT: @AuthorWilliam Most humans are too egotistical to accept that other intelligent life-forms might also be native. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
2:21 pm goodlaura: @kjhatch Was cruising your feed. What is #ufchat?
2:57 pm Patti_OShea: RT @inkgypsy: Announcement: @Patti_OShea is our Special Guest Author for a Q&A on Paranormal Romance/ Urban Fantasy crossover, August 21st! #UFChat
3:04 pm shadowflame1974: RT @inkgypsy: Announcement: @Patti_OShea is our Special Guest Author for a Q&A on Paranormal Romance/ Urban Fantasy crossover, August 21st! #UFChat
7:13 pm Jinxie_G: @LeanneBennett #UFChat is where we discuss urban fantasy, as readers and/or writers. Everyone is welcome.
8:06 pm rixshep: @goodlaura #ufchat is a weekly twitter chat about urban fantasy in all of its various genre associations. Saturdays, 3pm pst. See @UF_Chat.
9:08 pm goodlaura: @rixshep @kjhatch Thanks for explaining! Would #eureka or #beinghuman fall into category of #ufchat?
10:26 pm rixshep: @goodlaura Good question for nxt #ufchat! I don’t mind blurring some scifi/fantasy lines in certaion cases, myself. Orthers may disagree.
10:29 pm rixshep: @goodlaura I see #sanctuary, #eureka, #fringe, etc. as on the edges of uf. #ufchat
10:34 pm goodlaura: @rixshep @kjhatch Thank you for helping me to better understand urban fantasy today! #ufchat

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END OF TRANSCRIPT FOR AUGUST 7th, 2010

Thanks for a fun chat everyone!

Be sure to check out the new UF releases of the past week by authors here on Twitter, resource posts/essays and more tweeted at the end of the chat time.

We’ve added a “Published UF authors on Twitter” page to the blog (check the link at the very top of the page) and linked it to a list on Twitter for easy following. This is a list in progress that we’re adding to bit by bit. If you see someone you think should be on there, there’s a good chance we just haven’t gotten to adding them yet BUT please always feel free to add suggestions by @-ing @inkgypsy or @snowppl and we’ll add them to the list ASAP.

Stay tuned to @UF_Chat on Twitter for next Saturday’s topic.

See you next week!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)

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