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Archive for July, 2010

How People Discovered UF & What Its Roots Are – July 31st

Once again, not sure what’s up with the times shown but we started at 3pm PST/ 6pm EST.

Enjoy!

EDIT NOTE (Monday 12:17am PST): Late tweets just added to end of transcript. πŸ™‚

9:57 pm inkgypsy: Getting my #UFchat boots on…
10:00 pm UF_Chat: #UFchat is live! Welcome ? say hi, join in, tell us how you discovered UF! #UFchat
10:00 pm CameronHaleyUF: taptaptap…is this thing on? #UFchat
10:01 pm wildbloom: Hellllooooo. #ufchat
10:01 pm UF_Chat: @CameronHaleyUF We are here! I think some people are still putting their boots on. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:01 pm tadbo: RT @wildbloom: RT @UF_Chat: #UFchat is live! Welcome ? say hi, join in, tell us how you discovered UF! #UFchat
10:02 pm amandabonilla: Hi everyone! #ufchat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: @wildbloom Great to see you today! (How’s them boots?) #UFchat
10:02 pm tadbo: Lurking, as per usual. Hey all. #ufchat
10:02 pm UF_Chat: @tadbo Hi! Thanks for RT-ing! #UFchat
10:02 pm Jinxie_G: RT @inkgypsy: #UFchat is live! Welcome ? say hi, join in, tell us how you discovered UF! (We’re using Tweetchat & #UFchat hashtag)
10:02 pm wildbloom: @UF_Chat You too! Boots are excelllent. πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:03 pm Jinxie_G: @wulfshado Just join the chat, it’ll be fun! #UFChat
10:03 pm UF_Chat: Soo… how did you guys discover UF as a ‘genre’? Was it a book? An author? A film? Buffy? Paranormal Romance? Horror? #UFchat
10:03 pm CameronHaleyUF: I read de Lint, Bull, Windling, etc., in the 80s…got into “modern” UF with Jim Butcher. #UFchat
10:04 pm PizaSeven: RT @inkgypsy: #UFchat is live! Welcome ? say hi, join in, tell us how you discovered UF! (We’re using Tweetchat & #UFchat hashtag)
10:04 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: #UFchat Entry point into UF was Dresden Files.
10:04 pm wildbloom: I’d have to say I found UF via paranormal means. #ufchat
10:05 pm UF_Chat: For me, I was interested in fairy tale retellings – partic. Red Riding & werewolves. Discovered K. Armstrong, J. Butcher + The Crow. #UFchat
10:05 pm amandabonilla: I read across the spectrum but I think Anne Rice really intro’d me to UF. It just sort of snowballed from there #ufchat
10:05 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Which book did you read first? #UFchat
10:05 pm UF_Chat: @wildbloom How via paranormal? A book? Show? #UFchat
10:05 pm Jinxie_G: I think I found UF by way of horror. Can’t quite recall. #UFChat
10:05 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat I discovered it through @cjredwine‘s Shadowing Fate. I then realized I was writing a UF story myself. LOL #ufchat
10:05 pm UF_Chat: @amandabonilla So vampires-beyond-the-monster were a good intro to UF for you? #UFchat
10:06 pm UF_Chat: @HC_Palmquist What did her story have in it that made it UF? #UFchat
10:06 pm PizaSeven: RT @Jinxie_G: I think I found UF by way of horror. Can’t quite recall. #UFChat <–wow lol
10:06 pm editorialdept: Like @wildbloom I came to UF via paranormals. Laurell K Hamilton, Kim Harrison, etc. Have been writing UF since before then, though. #ufchat
10:07 pm UF_Chat: @CameronHaleyUF I read DeLint too but didn’t twig to UF overall till Armstrong & Butcher really. Buffy helped I think. #UFchat
10:07 pm amandabonilla: @UF_Chat Definitely! I think UF has a tendency to explore the darker side of personalities in a fascinating way #ufchat
10:07 pm Jinxie_G: @PizaSeven I know, so nondescript. lol #UFChat
10:07 pm UF_Chat: @PizaSeven My entry was more horror than not too. UF definitely has horror roots but doesn’t require it anymore. #UFchat
10:07 pm wulfshado: #UFchat I discovered it with the old tv series Dark Shadows when I was around seven or eight, I think.
10:08 pm UF_Chat: @wildbloom Agree Koontz! Absolutely – though he’s less on the urban side (less city/metro focused) than is usual for UF. #UFchat
10:08 pm UF_Chat: @wulfshado Are they out on DVD now? I thought I saw Dark Shadows being advertised recently. #UFchat
10:08 pm CameronHaleyUF: Also, 1986 was a very good year…in film: Highlander and Big Trouble in Little China. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:09 pm UF_Chat: @Kalayna Forever Night is sitting on my DVD shelf! Don’t know why more people don’t know about that one. #UFchat
10:09 pm editorialdept: Actually, now that I think about it, my intro to UF was TV shows more than books. Highlander, then later Buffy and similar #ufchat
10:09 pm Jinxie_G: Right now, Patricia Briggs has my full attention with the Mercy Thompson series, but I’m also reading @jsmithready‘s WVMP series. #UFChat
10:09 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: #UFchat Come to think of it – do the original Anne Rice Vampire books count?
10:10 pm amandabonilla: I tend to think of UF in the terms of the here and now vs. a city setting #ufchat
10:10 pm UF_Chat: @CameronHaleyUF Highlander – of course! maybe that’s where swords got so popular.. certainly inspired me to fence & write battles 2. #UFchat
10:10 pm editorialdept: @UF_Chat re: Forever Knight – it got eclipsed by Buffy. Thank goodness for DVD – now people can catch up on what they missed. #ufchat
10:10 pm AuthorWilliam: Checking into #UFchat. What’s the topic today?
10:10 pm wulfshado: #UFchat I have the Forever Knight series on VCR rofl. Must update some day.
10:10 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch Two sides on that one I think (Anne Rice books counting) I’d say yes due to influence – not typical anymore tho. #UFchat
10:10 pm wildbloom: @AuthorWilliam Hi William! #ufchat
10:11 pm amandabonilla: @UF_Chat LOVE Highlander! I have to say it influenced my sword-weilding MC as well! #ufchat
10:11 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam How did you discover the UF genre – via PR? Horror? A TV show? DeLint? + ingredients in the UF soup. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:11 pm AuthorWilliam: @wildbloom Hi there, AuthorDanielle, how are you? #UFchat
10:12 pm wulfshado: #UFchat So horror is a sub-genre of UF? Or is horror something else?
10:12 pm wildbloom: @AuthorWilliam lol! I’m fantastic, you? The topic so far is.. what introduced you into urban fantasy? #ufchat
10:12 pm HillaryJacques: Hello! Yes on Buffy. Then, in literature, I really got hooked by Lilith’s Saintcrow’s Dante Valentine series. #UFchat
10:12 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: If Big Trouble is in then I suppose Rentaghost and GHostbusters must be in too #UFchat
10:12 pm UF_Chat: @HC_Palmquist @amandabonilla Think city part is pretty important for UF. DeLint’s stuff he calls ModernMythic instead of UF for eg #UFchat
10:12 pm Jinxie_G: RT @CameronHaleyUF: @Ben_Aaronovitch I think Anne Rice was the beg. of the crossover from horror into UF. Thats one tradition in UF. #UFChat
10:13 pm CameronHaleyUF: @wulfshado I think horror is its own genre…but Anne Rice’s work isn’t traditional horror, and it started to cross over. #UFchat
10:13 pm amandabonilla: @wulfshado I’ve seen horror mingled in with fantasy and vice versa in many bookstores #ufchat
10:13 pm Jinxie_G: @wulfshado No, the other way around. UF is a sub-genre of horror. #UFChat
10:13 pm wildbloom: @wulfshado That’s a great question. #ufchat
10:13 pm jsmithready: My 1st UF was THE TALISMAN by Stephen King/Peter Straub. I think it predates de Lint & Bull. Heroic quest, werewolf sidekick, music! #UFchat
10:13 pm UF_Chat: @wulfshado UF has some of roots in horror-many supernatural creatures are traditionally horror monsters. UF looks @ them differently #UFchat
10:13 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat I didn’t know that. Hmm…may have to reconsider some of the settings for Watchers. #ufchat
10:14 pm shadowflame1974: My first UF encounter was Lackey’s Diane Trigarde books. #UFchat
10:14 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @CameronHaleyUF I certainly never thought of it as horror, unless ennui is your greatest fear. #UFchat
10:14 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat Tough question. Hmm… I feel like there is UF in so many F stories. “Underworld” strikes me as a significant example of UF #UFchat
10:14 pm amandabonilla: @UF_Chat My current series is definitely urban (Seattle) but I do have a second small-town series started that fits as well #ufchat
10:14 pm UF_Chat: @Jinxie_G That genre/sub-genre thing is hard to define isn’t it. Horror roots in UF but it’s not really a horror sub-genre, esp now. #UFchat
10:14 pm Sayuri_x: @jsmithready I completely remember reading that. Staying up all night to get through it. Makes me want to re-read. #UFchat
10:15 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam Definitely Underworld – yes. How did you become aware of it? #UFchat
10:15 pm amandabonilla: I think the best part of UF is taking these traditionally “Scary” creatures and putting a new spin on them #ufchat
10:15 pm MarieIvarsson: Hi everyone! I’m here too, maybe lurking a bit. I’ll try to keep up. πŸ˜€ #UFChat
10:15 pm CameronHaleyUF: @UF_Chat This is the strength of that hard to define nature, though: Readers (and writers) can come in from lots of diff. traditions #UFchat
10:15 pm Jinxie_G: @UF_Chat It is hard to define. UF stems from horror though, just like para. rom. and all that crap. There are too many genres now! #UFChat
10:15 pm jflamingo2: Hi #UFchat I’m still learning about UF as a genre & what I like best. So far, it’s werewolves.
10:16 pm jsmithready: .@Jinxie_G As I’ve heard it, in dark fantasy (incl UF) good generally beats evil, but in horror, no guarantee. #UFChat
10:16 pm UF_Chat: @HC_Palmquist This is one of the weird things about UF – agents/editors look @ setting but people travel too.. #UFchat
10:16 pm MarieIvarsson: I don’t know when I discovered UF. I wasn’t aware of it as a genre until quite recently, but I loved Highlander and Buffy. #UFChat
10:16 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Then there’s Diana Wynn Jones Seven Days of Luke, Archer’s Goon #UFchat
10:16 pm jsmithready: @Sayuri_x Have you read the sequel, BLACK HOUSE? I haven’t yet but heard it’s good. #UFchat
10:16 pm UF_Chat: @Jinxie_G Yes – has more roots in horror than fantasy in many ways. The splitting off of genres/types is getting confusing 4 all! #UFchat
10:16 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat Saw the movie trailers and thought it looked freakin’ cool. Saw it and thought – nice, ancient mixed with modern. I dig. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:17 pm wildbloom: @AuthorWilliam Have to agree about the movies. If that’s not UF, I couldn’t say what is. #ufchat
10:17 pm UF_Chat: UF has many flavors in its ?genre soup? ? what do you see as typical of UF? What ?strains? of UF have you found? #UFchat
10:17 pm tadbo: @AuthorWilliam Take a look at White Wolf’s World of Darkness. Pen and paper rpg that pretty much defines American UF. #ufchat
10:17 pm editorialdept: example: Highlander isn’t particularly horror-oriented. More, it’s fantastical situations and beings in modern-day world. #ufchat
10:17 pm Sayuri_x: @jsmithready Ohh, I haven’t read a Stephen King/Peter Stauss since I was a teen. But I might go back for that. #UFchat
10:17 pm UF_Chat: RT @jsmithready: .@Jinxie_G As Ive heard it, in dark fantasy (incl UF) good generally beats evil, but in horror, no guarantee. #UFchat
10:18 pm amandabonilla: @AuthorWilliam I LOVE ancient mixed with modern. Writing UF gives you the opportunity to do that #ufchat
10:18 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat You know, I think I finally classified it as Paranormal Romance, although there is no sex. #UFchat
10:18 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept I’ve always considered it more fantasy than UF but there’s a definite straddling there when it gets to modern day. #UFchat
10:18 pm AuthorWilliam: There so much to fantasy. Would you say that are more subgenre thoroughbreds in the Fantasy genre or more subgenre hybrids? #UFchat
10:19 pm wildbloom: I haven’t read enough UF books to really define anything. Gotta be honest. Very familiar with WW, though. #ufchat
10:19 pm amandabonilla: @HC_Palmquist I don’t know if sex is required, as long as there’s strong romantic elements #ufchat
10:19 pm UF_Chat: @HC_Palmquist Awesome! (We have to have that UF/PR chat soon!) So relationship is the important thing to resolve in ur story then? #UFchat
10:20 pm wulfshado: @wildbloom #UFchat What’s WW?
10:20 pm CameronHaleyUF: UF doesn’t even have to *have* a relationship, IMO. #UFchat
10:20 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam Personally think hybrids abound – everything from horror comedy mix to romance adventure. #UFchat
10:20 pm jsmithready: @tadbo Ah, good to know. I’m about halfway through the Dark Tower series (& all the linked books). #ufchat
10:20 pm AuthorWilliam: I’m right w/ u! RT @amandabonilla @AuthorWilliam I LOVE ancient mixed with modern. Writing UF gives you the opportunity to do that #ufchat
10:20 pm wildbloom: @wulfshado White wolf. #ufchat
10:20 pm editorialdept: I have a hangup re: Fantasy. I tend to think of it as only swords&sorcery & medieval setting. Most anything modern-day is UF to me. #ufchat
10:20 pm Jinxie_G: @CameronHaleyUF I agree with that. I don’t think it does either. #UFChat
10:21 pm wildbloom: @AuthorWilliam I’d have to say hybrids. #ufchat
10:21 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat Yes, several relationships in fact, although not all have romantic elements. #UFchat
10:21 pm UF_Chat: @CameronHaleyUF Yes – no relationship required but often added as complication. Lone Western archetype but with a twist. #UFchat
10:21 pm MarieIvarsson: And of course I read Diana Wynne Jones etc, but when is YA UF? I’ve always read those kind of books, just not aware of the genre. #UFChat
10:21 pm tadbo: @jsmithready …you do realise that every book SK has ever written is linked to The Dark Tower, right? XD #ufchat
10:21 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept I think people are now calling that “traditional fantasy” (or “trad fantasy”). LOL #UFchat
10:22 pm CameronHaleyUF: And speaking of WW and RPGs…Shadowrun in 1989. #UFchat
10:22 pm wulfshado: @jsmithready #UFchat The Gunslinger series is great. Just finished last one myself a few months ago. love how real world/writer world mix
10:22 pm AuthorWilliam: @wildbloom @UF_Chat I would agree. For the writer UF seems to represent a piece of freedom to break down barriers of time and create #UFchat
10:22 pm rixshep: RT @editorialdept: I’d think UF is more aligned with fantasy than horror. I consider it urban tales with magical elements. Doesn’t have to be horrific #ufchat
10:22 pm Jinxie_G: @tadbo @jsmithready That’s right! They are! #UFChat
10:22 pm UF_Chat: @HC_Palmquist Ignore the box – write what the story is – it’ll get defined/marketed later I’m sure. Gets distracting! #UFchat
10:23 pm wildbloom: @AuthorWilliam Agreed. That pretty much defines my next novel. #ufchat
10:23 pm editorialdept: RT @CameronHaleyUF: And speaking of WW and RPGs…Shadowrun in 1989. <<I was a HUGE ShadowRun fan. Still have all my sourcebooks πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:23 pm UF_Chat: @rixshep Hi! Thought you couldn’t make it! Happy to see you. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:23 pm amandabonilla: RT @editorialdept: I’d think UF is more aligned with fantasy than horror. I consider it urban tales with magical elements. Doesn’t have to be horrific #ufchat
10:23 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat I see typical UF as a city setting in which the MC has to deal with the paranormal or fantastical. #ufchat
10:23 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @MarieIvarsson I think YA was UF when I was reading it before they’d invented the term YA (or UF) it was all Children’s #UFChat
10:24 pm jsmithready: @wulfshado Me, too. I am really mad that I know how the series ends, but can only blame myself for not reading faster. 😦 #UFchat
10:24 pm ItaliaTrent: RT @amandabonilla: I think the best part of UF is taking these traditionally “Scary” creatures and putting a new spin on them #ufchat
10:24 pm PizaSeven: RT @UF_Chat: @HC_Palmquist Ignore the box – write what the story is – it’ll get defined/marketed later I’m sure. Gets distracting! #UFchat
10:24 pm UF_Chat: So shall we talk about the typical ingredients in UF? (as we see it, as marketers see it?) #UFchat
10:24 pm tadbo: Yup, had them in mind too. Cyberpunk/Urban fantasy? RT @CameronHaleyUF: And speaking of WW and RPGs…Shadowrun in 1989. #UFchat
10:25 pm HillaryJacques: UF leans toward where the story and author pull, which makes it hard to define but allows for wonderful creativity. #UFChat
10:25 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat Exactly!!! It’s interesting because one of my YA’s is very much UF. #ufchat
10:25 pm UF_Chat: @ItaliaTrent @amandabonilla There’s a contest happening right now with that very challenge. I’ll get the link. #UFchat
10:26 pm AuthorWilliam: This is an interesting subject; How sword and sorcery has taken the face of the greater fantasy genre. Good thing? #ufchat
10:26 pm HillaryJacques: @tadbo I tend to see cyberpunk as sci fi. #UFchat
10:26 pm Jinxie_G: RT @UF_Chat: UF writers announcement: Sheep & Wolves contest http://bit.ly/bx23QL Write traditional monster from new perspective. #UFChat
10:26 pm HC_Palmquist: @amandabonilla Good point! #UFchat
10:26 pm UF_Chat: Wanted to mention: New UF release this week: @JSmithReady?s Bring on the Night (WVMP 3) http://amzn.to/bo6ZuN Her vamps are xlnt. #UFchat
10:27 pm amandabonilla: @AuthorWilliam I never say no to swordplay! πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
10:27 pm CameronHaleyUF: @HillaryJacques @tadbo was commenting that Shadowrun was UF/cyberpunk. It was basically D&D in a cyberpunk near future. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:27 pm miranda00writes: I view typical UF as wherewolves, shifters, vampires or fae in contemporary settings. #UFchat
10:27 pm tadbo: @Kalayna Yeah. Fantastic elements and modern settings seems to be the base on which UF is built. #ufchat
10:27 pm Jinxie_G: @wildbloom Me too. #UFChat
10:27 pm UF_Chat: RT @amandabonilla: @AuthorWilliam I never say no to swordplay! πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:28 pm AuthorWilliam: RT @wildbloom: For me, what makes up UF for the most part are fantasy creatures in a modern-ish setting. Magic, vampires, etc etc. #ufchat
10:28 pm amandabonilla: @miranda00writes There’s room for so much more than the traditional characters too! That’s the beauty of UF #ufchat
10:28 pm UF_Chat: @tadbo @Kalayna We had a good discussion on UF definitions last week talking about that. (transcript on #UFchat blog site) #UFchat
10:28 pm wildbloom: @jsmithready I expect we’ll see another explosion of ‘labels’ in the next few years. It seems to have already started. #ufchat
10:29 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: I’m interested in the intersection between the fantastic and the mundane and the way they both interact with history and myth. #UFchat
10:29 pm AuthorWilliam: @wildbloom I feel the same way. #ufchat
10:29 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready Re contemp fantasy – think because phrase often linked to DeLint & similar. Very confusing really. #UFchat
10:29 pm HC_Palmquist: @jsmithready I’ve been hearing AMAZING things about Bring on the Night from @Jinxie_G. #ufchat
10:29 pm amandabonilla: @Ben_Aaronovitch I use a lot of traditional mythology. And some I just make up! I like the esoteric side of UF. Keep it hidden #ufchat
10:30 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready You’re welcome – besides it = awesome. Even people sick of vamps will like your books! That’s a big thing. #UFchat
10:30 pm miranda00writes: @jsmithready Agreed, but “urban” does sound a bit cooler. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:30 pm wildbloom: @AuthorWilliam I realized this when I thought about DrΓ©’s sequel. Dragon in 2010. UF? Fantasy only? It’s mind boggling. #ufchat
10:30 pm txvoodoo: @jsmithready I really want someone to do SUBURBAN fantasy & not as a humor novel! #UFchat
10:30 pm UF_Chat: @amandabonilla Hidden vs open – will chat on that soon too! (I prefer hidden too but will read either. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:31 pm editorialdept: I think UF is expanding as a genre/subgenre. Authors are bringing in broader cultural experiences, myths, and locations #ufchat
10:31 pm amandabonilla: @UF_Chat There’s always room for a good vamp story. That aspect of UF will never die #ufchat
10:31 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @amandabonilla And never let the audience know which is which. #ufchat
10:31 pm KaSonndraLeigh: @kalayna I do hope you are right as dark fantasy is my specialty. Crossing her fingers as she types.#ufchat
10:31 pm amandabonilla: @UF_Chat YAY! Can’t wait for that chat! #ufchat
10:31 pm jimnduncan: #ufchat I’m late. what are we discussing?
10:31 pm UF_Chat: miranda00writes @jsmithready I think ‘urban’ also implies edgy – just like actual “urban fiction” is – lots of ‘street’ in UrbanFic #UFchat
10:32 pm jsmithready: @miranda00writes Not in rural areas. Local bookseller calls it all paranormal romance bc her customers think “urban” = “ghetto”. 😦 #UFchat
10:32 pm omewan: been reading Jim Butcher’s series Dresden Files..well listening to James Marsters read them #UFchat
10:32 pm UF_Chat: @KaSonndraLeigh There’s always a place for dark fantasy – UF allows for whatever mix of darkness you like. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:32 pm CameronHaleyUF: Question: Does the way you *got into* UF affect the kind of UF stories you prefer today? #UFchat
10:32 pm rixshep: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: I’m interested in the intersection between the fantastic and the mundane and the way they both interact with history and myth. #UFchat
10:32 pm tadbo: @Kalayna Or towards Contemporary Fantasy. That sounds neat and could be a catch all. They like catch-all’s. #ufchat
10:32 pm amandabonilla: @UF_Chat Definitely gritty! #ufchat
10:32 pm AuthorWilliam: @wildbloom I think of it with Dark Province. It’s High Fantasy in that it creates an alternate world but with UF influences.#ufchat
10:33 pm wildbloom: @jimnduncan Welcome, Jim! Discussing subgenres of urban fantasy (and other things). #ufchat
10:33 pm miranda00writes: @amandabonilla I agree! I love the breadth that UF has to offer #UFchat
10:33 pm AuthorWilliam: RT @editorialdept: I think UF is expanding as a genre/subgenre. Authors are bringing in broader cultural experiences, myths, and locations #ufchat
10:33 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Contemporary Fantasy is probably a better label but it seems a bit bloodless as Significant Other is to Lover #UFchat
10:33 pm UF_Chat: @jsmithready Oh my – that’s gotta be confusing for everyone (calls it all PR). #UFchat
10:33 pm UF_Chat: RT @miranda00writes: @amandabonilla I agree! I love the breadth that UF has to offer #UFchat
10:33 pm amandabonilla: @CameronHaleyUF Not at all! The UF I write is unlike anything I read. That’s the beauty of the genre. There’s room to play #ufchat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam Expanding yes – into soft-sci-fi too (alternate futures etc) #UFchat
10:34 pm wildbloom: @AuthorWilliam I read the first page of Dark Province. Very intriguing. And I can see that about the story, certainly. #ufchat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: Im interested in the intersection between the fantastic and the mundane and the way they both interact with history and myth. #UFchat
10:34 pm jsmithready: @UF_Chat Maybe avg reader doesn’t worry abt labels, just wants to know, does it have vampires? (or whatever they like). #UFchat
10:34 pm UF_Chat: Previous was an RT from RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: (ran out of letters sorry) #UFchat
10:34 pm wildbloom: @editorialdept So far, I haven’t thought of UF has only having happy endings. Interesting! #ufchat
10:35 pm Kalayna: @UF_Chat @jsmithready (re all PR) I imagine that is especially confusing for the UF that contains very little romance in it #ufchat
10:35 pm jsmithready: Yes! RT @amandabonilla: @CameronHaleyUF The UF I write is unlike anything I read. That’s the beauty of the genre. Room to play #ufchat
10:35 pm UF_Chat: @jimnduncan Ingredients in UF (horror through sword & sorcery etc)- how people found the genre (books, TV shows, authors etc) #UFchat
10:35 pm Jinxie_G: @jsmithready Exactly my thinking. lol #UFChat
10:36 pm editorialdept: @wildbloom *heh* That was a slightly more black & white definition than I was aiming for. Darn 140-character limit! #ufchat
10:36 pm inkgypsy: @wildbloom UF doesn’t require happy endings. PR does though – HAE. #UFchat
10:36 pm inkgypsy: RT @jsmithready: Yes! RT @amandabonilla: @CameronHaleyUF The UF I write is unlike anything I read. That’s the beauty of the genre. Room to play #ufchat
10:36 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: My British publ. took several attempts to get a cover she felt matched the themes #UFchat
10:36 pm wildbloom: @editorialdept LOL! I think I get what you mean though. #ufchat
10:37 pm AuthorWilliam: UF is being defined, in part, as a modern-set fantasy instead of medieval…What about themes? Does UF also mean more modern themes? #Ufchat
10:37 pm inkgypsy: @editorialdept I think there’s a diff in dark UF too – mainly due to influx/overlap of PR though. #UFchat
10:37 pm CameronHaleyUF: @editorialdept Horror/dark fantasy: hero struggles to survive the monster; UF: hero kicks the monster’s ass in the end. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:38 pm inkgypsy: Interesting thought. RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: Contemp Fant probab better label but seems bit bloodless as Significant Other is to Lover #UFchat
10:38 pm editorialdept: I guess I’d say Dark Urban Fantasy tends more towards horror and rough themes (violence, more graphic sex) than straight UF #ufchat
10:38 pm shadowflame1974: I think now we can bring in things from other cultures with ease. Esp. since we have such a mixed culture and more acceptance. #UFchat
10:38 pm jsmithready: @UF_Chat Good pt! intersection betw fantastic/mundane is at the ❀ of UF. Why I love reading it more than straight fantasy or sf. #UFchat
10:38 pm amandabonilla: @AuthorWilliam Not necessarily. You can still have kings, knights and warriors… just in a modern setting and perhaps more esoteric #ufchat
10:38 pm UF_Chat: @wildbloom Gosh – I switched modes & ended up as ‘me’ – oops. LOL #UFchat
10:38 pm editorialdept: Yes! Thank you RT @CameronHaleyUF: dark fantasy: hero struggles to survive monster; UF: hero kicks the monsters ass in the end. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
10:39 pm wildbloom: @UF_Chat …LOL #ufchat
10:39 pm inkgypsy: RT @CameronHaleyUF: @editorialdept Horror/dark fantasy: hero struggles to survive the monster; UF: hero kicks the monster’s ass in the end. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:39 pm UF_Chat: @CameronHaleyUF I like that diff explained there. Shows the horror roots in dark UF too. #UFchat
10:39 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @CameronHaleyUF: @editorialdept Horror/dark fantasy: hero struggles to survive the monster; UF: hero kicks the monster’s ass in the end. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:39 pm mindofbryan: @amandabonilla Isn’t that kind of like Neverwhere? #UFCHAT
10:40 pm rixshep: RT @inkgypsy: Interesting thought. RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: Contemp Fant probab better label but seems bit bloodless as Significant Other is to Lover #UFchat
10:40 pm UF_Chat: Neverwhere is what turned a lot of people on to UF actually. Although not much takes place in actual London. @mindofbryan #UFchat
10:41 pm wildbloom: @editorialdept Possibly so. It somewhat fits my upcoming book and I’d been wondering what genre to put it in. Dark vs. UF #ufchat
10:41 pm SurrealSways: @inkgypsy …’contemporary fantasy’ is just that?fantasy in a contemporary setting. Not equatable, in my opinion. #UFchat
10:41 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept Have noticed Joan of Arc types seeping into UF a lot recently. #UFchat
10:42 pm UF_Chat: @SurrealSways think they’re related but still different. Thus the DeLint separate-ness tho considered father of UF by many. #UFchat
10:42 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @UF_Chat Joan of Ark types? #UFchat
10:42 pm CameronHaleyUF: @jsmithready Now, I have to pimp, because you just described MOB RULES! πŸ™‚ http://bit.ly/aG2FEb #UFchat
10:43 pm amandabonilla: @jsmithready I think it’s easier to live in that “gray” area in UF. Your “good-guy” doesn’t have to be squeaky clean #ufchat
10:43 pm wildbloom: @editorialdept I’m self publishing it, so I’m the one who has to click the little boxes. πŸ˜€ #ufchat
10:43 pm UF_Chat: @wildbloom Think you look at what the stakes are – what needs to be resolved for story to be complete to place it in right ‘genre’. #UFchat
10:43 pm editorialdept: @wildbloom ah! so much the merrier, then πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:43 pm AuthorWilliam: @surrealsways You’re saying that contemp fant is focused on setting only where UF speaks more to…theme? characters? #ufchat
10:44 pm wildbloom: @wulfshado I know. My screen is flipping by like a Vegas slot machine. #ufchat
10:44 pm UF_Chat: Reminder: @StaciaKane?s 3rd Downside book released: City of Ghosts. Blurb & excerpt here: http://bit.ly/9unRaV Rec read this mnth! #UFchat
10:45 pm wildbloom: @UF_Chat I’ll probably have to get some advice when the time comes. I’m poor at deciding all that. Breaks my brain. #ufchat
10:46 pm editorialdept: Just to stir the pot-is it still UF if it’s in an urban setting, but not modern? What if you write fairies/werefolk in ancient Rome? #ufchat
10:46 pm UF_Chat: Although haven’t kept up with everybody – haven’t seen a mention of NOIR which is important to UF. #UFchat
10:46 pm UF_Chat: @amandabonilla You mean nicely flawed? πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:46 pm CameronHaleyUF: @editorialdept Historical fantasy. #UFchat
10:46 pm Jinxie_G: @UF_Chat Noir? That’d be @Shawn_II. #UFChat
10:47 pm editorialdept: Yes! That’s what I was trying to put my finger on. RT @UF_Chat: havent seen a mention of NOIR which is important to UF. #ufchat
10:47 pm UF_Chat: @editorialdept I’ve heard the term historical UF – a lot actually! #UFchat
10:47 pm wulfshado: @UF_Chat #UFchat What’s Noir?
10:47 pm wildbloom: @editorialdept To me, that’s historical fantasy. #ufchat
10:47 pm MarieIvarsson: @Ben_Aaronovitch Yes, that’s the interesting thing. Because genres are really made up labels of books, I’ve rarely been aware before #UFChat
10:47 pm amandabonilla: @UF_Chat Yes! Nicely flawed! πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
10:47 pm jsmithready: @CameronHaleyUF Kewl! Congrats on the starred review!! #UFchat
10:48 pm AuthorWilliam: RT @wildbloom @editorialdept To me, that’s historical fantasy. #ufchat <<Innnnteresting!
10:48 pm UF_Chat: Noir has the gritty, mystery, no guaranteed outcome, urban factor too. UF could *almost* be described as Contemp Fantasy Noir. #UFchat
10:48 pm CameronHaleyUF: @jsmithready *hugs* Thank you so much πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:48 pm wildbloom: So there’s dark urban fantasy, urban fantasy, noir fantasy, contemporary fantasy…. #ufchat
10:48 pm UF_Chat: I say almost because it doesn’t cover the entire range – love that range! #UFchat
10:48 pm UF_Chat: RT @jsmithready: @CameronHaleyUF Kewl! Congrats on the starred review!! #UFchat
10:49 pm editorialdept: @wulfshado this is the definiton of film noir, but concept is the same- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_noir cynical, darker theme #ufchat
10:49 pm UF_Chat: @CameronHaleyUF When was the release? #UFchat
10:49 pm CameronHaleyUF: Noir is classic crime fiction with an emphasis on grittiness, cynicism, corruption — Chandler,Hammet etc. #UFchat
10:49 pm AuthorWilliam: @wildbloom high fantasy, swords and sorcery… #ufchat
10:49 pm CameronHaleyUF: @UF_Chat Release is Sept. 1! #UFchat
10:49 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam See I would make a case for diff between historical fantasy and historical UF… tricky, no? #UFchat
10:50 pm wildbloom: @AuthorWilliam LOL! #ufchat
10:50 pm Madison_Woods: Hi πŸ™‚ What’s the topic this evening? #ufchat
10:50 pm editorialdept: I think the reviewers and publicists are coming up w/ new genre terms faster than authors can keep up πŸ™‚ #ufchat
10:50 pm UF_Chat: @CameronHaleyUF Yes – which is why it needs to be brought up for UF – a lot of UF has those elements. #UFchat
10:50 pm wildbloom: @UF_Chat Make the case! I’m interested in hearing the differences. #ufchat
10:51 pm CameronHaleyUF: @UF_Chat Okay, historical, urban, paranormal, dark fantasy πŸ™‚ #UFchat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: @Madison_Woods Hi! How did you discover UF & now what are the ingredients in typical UF as you &/or publishers see them. #UFchat
10:51 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: #UFchat Bed time this side of the pond – look forward to transcript.
10:51 pm CameronHaleyUF: Totally agree! RT @UF_Chat: @CameronHaleyUF Yes – which is why it needs to be brought up for UF – a lot of UF has those elements. #UFchat
10:51 pm UF_Chat: @CameronHaleyUF LOL! Gotta love it’s morphing ability! #UFchat
10:51 pm wulfshado: #UFchat I remember when I first started reading this stuff, they called the genre gothic then later horror. I.E. Marilyn Ross
10:52 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat Being a Virgo, I would be right with you on that. Love me some spreadsheets. Just, the more we do, the more we affect… #ufchat
10:52 pm UF_Chat: @wildbloom Hm – I gotta get my stuff into order to do that – maybe a chat topic? Or we can discuss after? #UFchat
10:53 pm wulfshado: @editorialdept #UFchat Thanks.
10:53 pm wildbloom: @UF_Chat Absolutely! #ufchat
10:53 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat ..the ratio of a subgenre purebred and the hybrid population. Purebreds become harder to find. Which is fine. #ufchat
10:53 pm miranda00writes: Crap. My cell phone battery is at critical stage – bye! #UFchat
10:53 pm UF_Chat: @wulfshado I remember that too! Gothic is more apt than horror these days overall but believe it or not now seeing ‘gothic UF’ O.o #UFchat
10:53 pm snowppl: #ufchat I think I discovered UF in a TV more as well. It does seem to be a touch darker than trad fantasy.
10:53 pm Madison_Woods: @UF_Chat someone once compared my style to Patricia Briggs, found out it was UF researching her. I don’t think my WIP is UF, though. #ufchat
10:53 pm jsmithready: @inarascott I can’t wait for Delacroix Academy! *ahem* Can you remind me (and tell everyone) its release date? #ufchat
10:54 pm inarascott: RT @amandabonilla: @jsmithready I think it’s easier to live in that “gray” area in UF. Your “good-guy” doesn’t have to be squeaky clean #ufchat
10:54 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam He he – spreadsheet away my friend. It’s all fascinating to me. Love the diversity UF has. #UFchat
10:54 pm wulfshado: @UF_Chat #UFchat okay, now THAT hurt my brain.
10:54 pm UF_Chat: @snowppl Agreed – more noir. (Oh – there’s that word again! πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
10:55 pm amandabonilla: @Madison_Woods LOVE Patricia Briggs. Definitely an UF writer, though she got her start writing straight fantasy #ufchat
10:55 pm CameronHaleyUF: Re: UF as Noir, UF author John Levitt @ Genreville blog http://bit.ly/b6ETzR #UFchat
10:55 pm UF_Chat: @rixshep I think it’s the uncertainty that does that – again why it fits UF overall (not PR tho, which requires HAE). #UFchat
10:55 pm marirandomities: Hi there! Popping in w/ same Q. (how are you? πŸ™‚ RT @Madison_Woods: Hi πŸ™‚ Whats the topic this evening? #ufchat
10:56 pm UF_Chat: @amandabonilla Yes! Love her work. Both fantasy and UF. #UFchat
10:56 pm UF_Chat: RT @CameronHaleyUF: Re: UF as Noir, UF author John Levitt @ Genreville blog http://bit.ly/b6ETzR #UFchat
10:56 pm amandabonilla: @wildbloom It’s all a guessing game! πŸ˜‰ My agent gave me the choice: market as UF or PR #ufchat
10:56 pm snowppl: @AuthorWilliam that’s because people like to classify when writing is hard to classify! #ufchat πŸ™‚
10:56 pm marirandomities: @UF_Chat @Madison_Woods Hmm, just found out the reply. Ignore me, please, lol. #ufchat
10:56 pm amandabonilla: @Madison_Woods I highly recommend reading her if you plan to write UF. She’s GREAT #ufchat
10:56 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat I love it, too. I am, like many of us, the product of conflicting influences. My writing reflects it. #ufchat
10:57 pm wildbloom: @amandabonilla Which did you decide and what tipped your choice one way or the other? If I may ask. #ufchat
10:57 pm UF_Chat: @wulfshado I know, right? But I understand people trying to find their ‘fit’ – gets confusing. #UFchat
10:58 pm Jinxie_G: Must take off for shopping & manicure! Thanks to @jsmithready for joining in today! =) You should read her books. Have fun everyone! #UFChat
10:58 pm UF_Chat: @Madison_Woods Thanks! Got behind with spinning colored ball of death there for a second. πŸ˜€ #UFchat
10:58 pm amandabonilla: @wildbloom Also, the amount of action/fight scenes/sword play helped to shift my decision toward UF #ufchat
10:59 pm AuthorWilliam: @snowppl Most definitely. Dark Prov fuses so many genres. I wrote the story I needed to write. Hard 2 put the final product in a box #ufchat
10:59 pm UF_Chat: @rixshep Never seen noir – true noir – as soft myself. #UFchat
10:59 pm wildbloom: @amandabonilla Sounds pretty cool. It’ll come down to a last minute decision for me too, I’m sure. Leaning toward dark UF though. #ufchat
11:00 pm marirandomities: @Madison_Woods Thanks for being faster than me. πŸ˜‰ How are you? And how did you find about UF? I found on tweeter if you believe me #ufchat
11:00 pm amandabonilla: @wildbloom I like the dark stuff! πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: @amandabonilla Think the active part of MC’s in UF is important. Hard to define active when MCs develop from victim to not tho. #UFchat
11:00 pm UF_Chat: @Jinxie_G Thanks for dropping by! #UFchat
11:01 pm amandabonilla: @UF_Chat So true. I think that’s part of it though… the eventual loss of control before regaining it #ufchat
11:01 pm RavenRequiem13: RT @jsmithready: #UFchat I prefer “contemporary fantasy” to “urban,” since a city is not required. But “contemporary fantasy” hasn’t caught on as a label.
11:01 pm Jinxie_G: @UF_Chat Your other account has a DM waiting. #UFchat
11:02 pm UF_Chat: Wow – 4pm already! That flew. I’m going to tweet new releases and links to articles/posts on these topics. Thanks to all joining in! #UFchat
11:03 pm amandabonilla: @jsmithready I agree! I don’t think UF NEEDS to have an urban setting to be considered UF #ufchat
11:03 pm CameronHaleyUF: @UF_Chat Thanks so much for hosting us again. Another great discussion! #UFchat
11:03 pm wildbloom: @UF_Chat Thank you for hosting! Been a fantastic hour. #ufchat
11:03 pm AuthorWilliam: @Jinxie_G Thanks for taking part πŸ™‚ #ufchat
11:03 pm UF_Chat: @Jinxie_G Merci lady! And thank you! I have a plan for next week too now. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:03 pm Madison_Woods: @amandabonilla oh no…then maybe mine IS UF. *holds head* It’s so hard to decide! #ufchat
11:03 pm amandabonilla: Thanks for the great chat everyone!!! Can’t wait to do it again. See you next week! #ufchat
11:04 pm AuthorWilliam: Bravo to @UF_Chat for facilitating another great discussion! #ufchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: @wildbloom @CameronHaleyUF Thank YOU! You make it fun and good brain food. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:04 pm AuthorWilliam: Take care everyone! #Ufchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: @CameronHaleyUF Plug your book again? About to tweet new releases here. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:04 pm Jinxie_G: @UF_Chat Awesome! I have weekends off now! #UFchat
11:04 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam Thanks for joining in! #UFchat
11:05 pm wildbloom: @UF_Chat πŸ™‚ #ufchat
11:05 pm amandabonilla: @UF_Chat Thanks for hosting! πŸ™‚ #ufchat
11:05 pm jsmithready: So glad I stumbled upon #UFchat tonight. Very interesting discussions! Thanks to @UF_Chat for facilitating/moderating/awesomeing.
11:05 pm Kalayna: Great chatting with everyone over at #UFchat see you next week!
11:05 pm UF_Chat: @amandabonilla Same bat-time and channel. (shape-shifting bat of course) πŸ˜€ #UFchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: OK, some new UF releases this last week by authors here on Twitter about to be tweeted: #UFchat
11:06 pm amandabonilla: @UF_Chat Woohoo! See ya then! #ufchat
11:06 pm UF_Chat: Reminder: @StaciaKane?s 3rd Downside book released: City of Ghosts. Blurb & excerpt here: http://bit.ly/9unRaV Rec read this mnth! #UFchat
11:06 pm jimnduncan: Well, regardless of what it is exactly, I think UF needs its own section in the bookstore and not mixed in with the fantasy section #ufchat
11:07 pm marirandomities: @UF_Chat Seems I was too late for discussion… I hope I’ll make it in time next week. πŸ™‚ #ufchat
11:07 pm AuthorWilliam: @Jinxie_G You are most welcome! Good to meet you! #ufchat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: New UF release this week: @JSmithReady?s Bring on the Night (WVMP 3) http://amzn.to/bo6ZuN (even if sick of vamps you will love it) #UFchat
11:07 pm inkgypsy: RT @jimnduncan: Well, regardless of what it is exactly, I think UF needs its own section in the bookstore and not mixed in with the fantasy section #ufchat
11:07 pm rixshep: @UF_Chat Ok. What then wld b diff tween noir and horror? (I plead ignorance!) #ufchat
11:07 pm NLGervasio: RT @UF_Chat: New UF release this week: @JSmithReady?s Bring on the Night (WVMP 3) http://amzn.to/bo6ZuN (even if sick of vamps you will love it) #UFchat
11:07 pm Jinxie_G: RT @UF_Chat: New UF release this week: @JSmithReady?s Bring on the Night (WVMP 3) http://amzn.to/bo6ZuN (even if sick of vamps you will love it) #UFchat
11:07 pm UF_Chat: New UF release this week: @ChristophGolden & Tim Lebbon?s Chamber of Ten http://amzn.to/crnh1x #UFchat
11:08 pm UF_Chat: @rixshep Noir generally mystery solved as well as not all ends happily. Horror = survive the monster. Mystery not as important. #UFchat
11:09 pm marirandomities: Beg to disagree. UF is still fantasy after all. RT @inkgypsy: RT @jimnduncan: UF needs its own section in the bookstore #ufchat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: New UF release this week: @trentonomicon?s Death Most Definite http://amzn.to/d78DSf #UFchat
11:09 pm UF_Chat: New UF release this week: @marjoriemliu?s A Wild Light http://amzn.to/btVzrE #UFchat
11:09 pm graywave: e@jimnduncan sci-fi fans have been wanting their own section (back) for twenty years now, so good luck with that! #ufchat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: Recent UF anthology Dark & Stormy Knights http://amzn.to/9rPdZh #UFchat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: Some new UF resources and an outside contest this week for writers & readers in the next few tweets: #UFchat
11:10 pm marirandomities: And they have a better cause! heh RT @graywave: @jimnduncan sci-fi fans have been wanting their own section for twenty years now #ufchat
11:10 pm UF_Chat: . @Stacia Kane also posted deleted scenes from Unholy Magic (incl. ?why?) ? xlnt for writing study/fans. http://bit.ly/98IEop #UFchat
11:11 pm teamsheltie: RT @UF_Chat: New UF release this week: @JSmithReady?s Bring on the Night (WVMP 3) http://amzn.to/bo6ZuN (even if sick of vamps you will love it) #UFchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: @shadowflame1974 You’re welcome! Hope to see you next week. πŸ™‚ #UFchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: UF writers announcement: Sheep & Wolves contest http://bit.ly/bx23QL Write traditional monster from new perspective. #UFchat
11:11 pm marirandomities: RT @UF_Chat: New UF release this week: @JSmithReady?s Bring on the Night (WVMP 3) http://amzn.to/bo6ZuN #UFchat
11:11 pm marirandomities: RT @UF_Chat: New UF release this week: @ChristophGolden & Tim Lebbon?s Chamber of Ten http://amzn.to/crnh1x #UFchat
11:11 pm UF_Chat: UF writers often deal w edgy characters. Worried what that says about you? Read @StaciaKane?s xlnt essay http://bit.ly/bBa7Dd #UFchat
11:11 pm marirandomities: RT @UF_Chat: New UF release this week: @trentonomicon?s Death Most Definite http://amzn.to/d78DSf #UFchat
11:12 pm marirandomities: RT @UF_Chat: New UF release this week: @marjoriemliu?s A Wild Light http://amzn.to/btVzrE #UFchat
11:12 pm UF_Chat: Helpful #UFchat writers/community list put together by @TabithaRees http://bit.ly/ar6ptE Contact her to be added. ? #UFchat
11:12 pm marirandomities: RT @UF_Chat: Recent UF anthology Dark & Stormy Knights http://amzn.to/9rPdZh #UFchat
11:12 pm UF_Chat: Useful links re today?s topics being tweeted next! #UFchat
11:12 pm UF_Chat: Urban Fantasy as Genre (or, more than just vamps and sex) by @PaulJessup http://bit.ly/by9Vvj #UFchat
11:12 pm MireyahWolfe: RT @UF_Chat: Urban Fantasy as Genre (or, more than just vamps and sex) by @PaulJessup http://bit.ly/by9Vvj #UFchat
11:13 pm UF_Chat: Carrie (Vaughn)?s Analysis of Urban Fantasy Pt 1: The Formula << Filling the Well http://bit.ly/ajJIjQ (whole series is great) #UFchat
11:13 pm Jinxie_G: RT @UF_Chat: Urban Fantasy as Genre (or, more than just vamps and sex) by @PaulJessup http://bit.ly/by9Vvj #UFchat
11:13 pm UF_Chat: Notes on Urban Fantasy & Roots of Kickassitude (by Juno Editor Paula Guran) http://juno-books.com/blog/?p=410 #UFchat
11:13 pm MireyahWolfe: RT @UF_Chat: Carrie (Vaughn)?s Analysis of Urban Fantasy Pt 1: The Formula << Filling the Well http://bit.ly/ajJIjQ (whole series is great) #UFchat
11:14 pm MarieIvarsson: @jimnduncan Yes! One of the reasons I was so late in discovering UF was that it was mixed in both with Trad fantasy and Horror. #UFChat
11:14 pm MireyahWolfe: RT @UF_Chat: Notes on Urban Fantasy & Roots of Kickassitude (by Juno Editor Paula Guran) http://juno-books.com/blog/?p=410 #UFchat
11:15 pm GraylinFox: @editorialdept Horror/dark fantasy: hero struggles to survive the monster; UF: hero kicks the monster’s ass in the end. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat
11:17 pm UF_Chat: Transcript 4 today?s chat ‘Discovering UF & It’s Roots’ will be up within 24hrs (apocalypses excepted). Follow @UF_Chat 4 updates! #UFchat
11:18 pm LynetteBenton: RT @wildbloom: RT @UF_Chat: UF writers announcement: Sheep & Wolves contest http://bit.ly/bx23QL Write traditional monster from new perspective. #ufchat
11:19 pm marirandomities: RT @UF_Chat: Helpful #UFchat writers/community list put together by @TabithaRees http://bit.ly/ar6ptE Contact her to be added. ? #UFchat
11:19 pm UF_Chat: Thanks to all for joining in today. Great chat! UFChat host going dark… over and out. #UFchat
11:19 pm graywave: @marirandomities Lol. I didn’t actually SAY that πŸ™‚ #ufchat
11:26 pm inkgypsy: @surrealsways Missed your dystopian tweet – agree. Hence my adding noir into the mix. πŸ™‚ Contemp UF is far more general IMHO. #UFchat
11:28 pm marirandomities: @graywave Hehe, of course. That’s my own adding. πŸ˜‰ #ufchat
11:31 pm Jinxie_G: @CrystalPosey Do we have to want something to show ya love? Sheesh. @writermomof5 @HC_Palmquist Sorry, was in #UFchat for a bit.
11:33 pm inkgypsy: New article for #UFchat folks RT @CarolynCrane: The best and worst job prospects in the paranormal economy 2011! http://tiny.cc/lojs3
11:35 pm UF_Chat: RT @inkgypsy: New article for #UFchat folks RT @CarolynCrane: The best and worst job prospects in the paranormal economy 2011! http://tiny.cc/lojs3
11:36 pm writermomof5: @Jinxie_G Hey, I love UF… where were you chatting? #UFchat
11:37 pm teetate: RT @wildbloom: RT @UF_Chat: UF writers announcement: Sheep & Wolves contest http://bit.ly/bx23QL Write traditional monster from new perspective. #ufchat
11:38 pm Jinxie_G: RT @inkgypsy: New article for #UFchat folks RT @CarolynCrane: The best and worst job prospects in the paranormal economy 2011! http://tiny.cc/lojs3
11:39 pm Jinxie_G: @writermomof5 Using tweetchat.com and that hashtag, every Saturday at 3pm our time. =) #UFchat @inkgypsy runs it.
11:41 pm JordanDrew: Wedding was lovely, but the drive to and from was long. Glad to be home for awhile. Now time for coffee and to catch up on #UFchat
11:58 pm jflamingo2: Sorry, #UFchat I didn’t keep up well because I had too much going on all around me. Hopefully, next time I will follow better. Catching up:)
August 1, 2010
12:01 am writermomof5: @Jinxie_G Cool… can you remind me next week? LOL #UFchat
12:08 am LaylaMessner: Darn, mised #UFChat. Someone summarize it for me?? Pretty please πŸ™‚
12:21 am inkgypsy: @LaylaMessner How people discovered the genre & ingredients of UF as opoosed to just fantasy. #UFchat Transcript going up within 24hrs. πŸ™‚
12:21 am inkgypsy: @writermomof5 If you follow @UF_chat you’ll get reminders and countdowns the day before & on the day. πŸ™‚ #UFChat
12:26 am JulieeJohnsonn: missed it today, but for all you Urban Fantasy enthusiasts take note for next week! #UFchat takes place Sat’s at 3 PST! @UF_chat
12:30 am LaylaMessner: Quick ad to #UFChat. Really fell in love with UF through Patriacia Briggs’ Mercy Thompson Novels. Harry Potter bridged the gap from fantasy.
12:49 am turnfeel33: @jsmithready Just discovered from #ufchat πŸ™‚ Will I be lost if I start with Bring on the night?..its says #3…what’s #1?
1:09 am inkgypsy: @ShennandoahDiaz There’s discussion on that topic in both last week & this week’s #UFchat. πŸ™‚ Defining the diff.
3:33 am writermomof5: @inkgypsy Thanks for the tip! #UFChat
6:23 am inkgypsy: RT @UF_Chat: The transcript for today’s #UFchat is up! http://bit.ly/a6YbpM How People Discovered UF & What Its Roots Are πŸ™‚
9:00 am AnassaRh: Okay, responding to #UFchat comments and questions, with time delay to counteract the maintenance. Sorry for the spam, y’all.
9:00 am AnassaRh: @tabitharees And maybe because #UFchat is about UF? πŸ˜‰ That’s what’s hooked me on it.
9:01 am AnassaRh: @UF_Chat Can’t remember first UF I ever encountered, but Tanya Huff’s Blood series hooked me. Friend in uni was a fan + made me read #ufchat
9:03 am AnassaRh: Ingredients in UF: city, magic and/or magical being, mystery. Occasionally a quest. (Magical being= anything unexplained by science) #ufchat
9:05 am AnassaRh: Really, I make a distinction between UF and “contemp” fantasy. UF is mysteries, kickass women, vamps, etc. Contemp is mostly quests. #ufchat
9:06 am AnassaRh: Strains of UF: historical, noir, possibly science-infused (magic via technology), always mystery. #ufchat
9:07 am AnassaRh: Strains of contemp: comic, lyrical, historical, adventure. Quests are common thread. Gaiman, deLint, King, Golden’s Veil trilogy. #ufchat
9:08 am AnassaRh: ?And the same urban/contemp distinction just got made. Heh. #repeatingthings #ufchat
9:09 am AnassaRh: Agreed. RT @UF_Chat: I think ‘urban’ also implies edgy – just like actual “urban fiction” is – lots of ‘street’ in UrbanFic #UFchat
9:10 am AnassaRh: @CameronHaleyUF Does my 1st UF influence? Certainly. I prefer harder, focused mysteries. Not the only type of UF I read, though. #ufchat
9:11 am AnassaRh: @CameronHaleyUF If we’re talking “like to write”, tho? not really. Mystery in WIP isn’t real story. My bunnies cover a wide range. #ufchat
1:29 pm editorialdept: RT @inkgypsy: RT @UF_Chat: The transcript for today’s #UFchat is up! http://bit.ly/a6YbpM How People Discovered UF & What Its Roots Are πŸ™‚
2:13 pm SurrealSways: @AuthorWilliam I was half-asleep at the time I tweeted but yes. I think UF is used more as an insight into the corruption of society #UFchat
2:15 pm SurrealSways: @AuthorWilliam Where contemp broadly places fant in modern/recognisable context … #UFchat
2:15 pm SurrealSways: @AuthorWilliam I think UF focusses more on the darker side already inherent in society now. #UFchat
2:50 pm JordanDrew: RT @UF_Chat: The transcript for today’s #UFchat is up! http://bit.ly/a6YbpM How People Discovered UF & What Its Roots Are πŸ™‚
4:22 pm inkgypsy: @SurrealSways @AnassaRh Awesome input & comments guys! I’m going to add them to the transcript when I get a chance today. #UFchat
4:23 pm inkgypsy: Will be adding bunch of interesting/insightful late comments to #UFchat transcript later today. Want to add yours too? Just use hashtag. πŸ™‚
5:46 pm LaylaMessner: Yes! RT @amandabonilla: I think the best part of UF is taking these traditionally “Scary” creatures and putting a new spin on them #ufchat
5:47 pm LaylaMessner: I’m right w/ u! RT @amandabonilla @AuthorWilliam I LOVE ancient mixed with modern. Writing UF gives you the opportunity to do that #ufchat
5:53 pm LaylaMessner: RT amandabonilla: There’s always room for a good vamp story. That aspect of UF will never die #ufchat
5:55 pm LaylaMessner: RT Ben_Aaronovitch: Contemporary Fantasy is probably a better label but it seems a bit bloodless as Significant Other is to Lover #UFchat
5:57 pm LaylaMessner: RT amandabonilla: I think it’s easier to live in that “gray” area in UF. Your “good-guy” doesn’t have to be squeaky clean #ufchat
9:33 pm inkgypsy: More comments being added to #UFchat! Will be adding them to transcript later so tweet with hashtag if you want yours included today. πŸ™‚
10:39 pm inkgypsy: @Suzanne_Johnson Just read your Tor article on NO – xlnt. Going to have a discussion on importance of location in UF on #UFchat soon-ish.

6:01 am inkgypsy: A post about the new #UFchat http://bit.ly/cuA2RH (Warning: blog shape-shifting lots right now a.k.a. – getting a re-vamp – pun intended) πŸ˜€

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END OF TRANSCRIPT FOR JULY 31, 2010

Make sure to look up the resources posted at the end – links, a contest and excellent essays for brain food… πŸ™‚

Expanding on last week and lots of room to keep on discussing. Don’t worry we’ll come back to this discussion again soon! Stay tuned to @UF_Chat on Twitter for next Saturday’s topic.

See you next week!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)

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Retrospective Writing Contest – Misunderstood Monsters & More

Retrospective is having a writing contest (with PRIZES!) that UF people should love, and, best of all, you can write your monsters in ANY genre for eligibility (it does not have to be dark fantasy, horror or ‘new horror’).

Here are the challenges:

  • Take a line from Stabbing for Dummies to use as an opening line to your story, being sure to finish with an outrageous conclusion. (Line example given on website.)
  • Write a story about a traditional monster in which you give a new perspective, showing how misunderstood these beings/creatures are.
  • Write a ‘true ghost story’ in script format for the radio show “Weird Furka”

(See website for full details of each.)

Here are the details from the Retrospective website:

WRITERS: participate in our writing contest with prompts based on these books (100 Jolts, Sheep and Wolves, Worse Than Myself – see books HERE)! The winning stories will be published on the Raw Dog Screaming Press website and the winners will receive a prize pack of goodies.

Rules: 1 piece of fiction per prompt, for a maximum of 3 per person. No piece can be longer than 1000 words, not including title and information. Attached to email as a .doc, sent to publicity@rawdogscreaming.com. Work must be obviously based on the prompt, poetry acceptable. Submission deadline: Oct. 1, results posted no later than Oct. 31.

UF/dark fantasy/horror author and winner of the Bram Stoker Award, Jeremy C. Shipp (@JeremyCShipp), will be judging the entry prompted by his book Sheep and Wolves and by his unique (and awesome) zombie story Those Below (which you can read online HERE). His is the “misunderstood monster” challenge. πŸ™‚

Here’s the website once again with all the details.

Good luck to all taking the challenge!


Chat Topic: July 31, 2010

Here’s what we will be discussing at our next #UFchat tomorrow (Saturday July 31):

How did you discover UF? By what books/genres/etc?

AND

What’s under the UF umbrella? Genres & flavors of UF: what have you come across? What’s your personal reading and/or writing preference?

There’s also a ton of resources ready to back-up tomorrow’s #UFchat (links, posts on the topics, new releases, tips etc) and I’ll be post-chat tweeting to make sure you get it all (and it’s added to the transcript). πŸ™‚

We haz urban fantasy kickassitude right here!

TOMORROW @ 3pm PST/ 6pm EST!

Follow @UF_Chat for updates and reminders.

See you Saturday!


Q&A with Stacia Kane on Writing UF & the Downside Series – July 24th

As promised, here is the Q&A portion with Stacia from the transcript only. Please note, I have reordered the times/responses a little to keep the questions/comments and Stacia’s answers close together. Don’t let the times fool you!

Special Q&A with Stacia Kane (@StaciaKane), author of the Downside Ghosts books being released back-to-back-to-back for June, July & August 2010. (Unholy Ghosts, Unholy Magic, City of Ghosts)

Note: I’m not sure why the times shown are wrong but the start time was 3pm PST/6pm EST.

9:15 pm UF_Chat: Downside bks = Ghostbusters meets Escape From New York +punk rock s/track, black magic, drugs & a black 1969 Chevelle. Come discuss! #UFchat

10:08 pm UF_Chat: RT @CarolynCrane: Hey! Happy to see this #UFChat @StaciaKane and Downside rocks! Look! shes brought down the internetz. #UFchat

10:12 pm StaciaKane: @CarolynCrane Thass right. I crashed the internets with mah badass powerz. #UFChat

10:31 pm UF_Chat: Time to welcome our special guest author @StaciaKane! Please hold definition discussion till after now. ? #UFchat

10:32 pm UF_Chat: I?m delighted to welcome @StaciaKane, author of Downside series, as special guest for Q&A! Thx for taking questions today Stacia! #UFchat

10:32 pm UF_Chat: I?ll ask Stacia questions by # (to help track) but feel free to add own if relates! Open/random Q&A at end. ? #UFchat

10:36 pm shilohwalker: @StaciaKane there’s a short story coming out, right? When? πŸ™‚ #UFChat

10:39 pm StaciaKane: @shilohwalker πŸ™‚ There is a Downside short story coming out, yes, but I don’t have a release date for the antho yet. #UFChat

10:27 pm deborahblake: Truth is, much of the time UF and PR are very similar. Depends on who is doing the defining! #UFchat

@marirandomities I did an interview yesterday with the Literary Project re diff between UF/PNR. Link: http://bit.ly/aqVz1E

10:37 pm StaciaKane: Sorry forgot the tag! Interview re UF/PNR differences:http://bit.ly/aqVz1E #UFChat

10:38 pm UF_Chat: . @StaciaKane‘s book features addict ghost debunker Chess Putnam & the trouble she’s pulled into by Downside (& real ghosts too). #UFchat

10:38 pm marirandomities: Urban fantasy vs. paranormal romance: RT @StaciaKane: Interview re UF/PNR differences:http://bit.ly/aqVz1E #ufchat

10:36 pm CameronHaleyUF: Am I the only one who *likes* writing genre stories? I enjoy working with and twisting the conventions. *shrug* #UFchat

10:40 pm StaciaKane: @CameronHaleyUF No, you’re not. I like to write genre stories; it gives me conventions to play with/ignore/pervert. #UFChat

10:40 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Q1: What draws you to UF as a writer? #UFchat

10:41 pm StaciaKane: I *want* to write urban fantasy. I just want to write it in my own style, my own way, with the things I think are awesome & whatever. #UFChat

10:40 pm psynde: @StaciaKane how did music play a part in the Downside Series? #UFchat

(THE ABOVE QUESTION SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN MISSED IN THE TWEET FLOOD)

10:41 pm AlizaMannAuthor: PNR means the girl gets the Guy. UF means couple may end apart. Romance has 2b happily ever after. #UFCHAT

10:44 pm StaciaKane: @AlizaMannAuthor PNR the book is *about* the romance, & plot spins from it. UF plot is *about* whatever, & romance may come from it. #UFChat

10:44 pm Sandy_Wills: Are urban fantasies always sold as a series? #UFchat

10:46 pm StaciaKane: @sandy_wills Not always, but usually. You sell the first & say it “is planned as a series.” They buy the 1st + X# more. #UFChat

10:48 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane 2: You said ghosts are ur preferred UF ‘creatures’ & series has plenty. Why ghosts and why ?dark? ghosts? #UFchat

10:50 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Oh, I just love ghost stories, always have. They have so many possibilities, have unique backstories, they can be anything. #UFChat

10:51 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat And “dark” ghosts because those are scary! Something that’s a real threat. Unkillable. Unstoppable. Can be anywhere. FUN! #UFChat

10:51 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Q3: What are some of your favorite ghost stories/legends/tales? #UFchat

10:53 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Hmm. I like the one w/the hitchhiker who is actually dead. The one where the driver stays at the inn,wakes up in ruins #UFChat

10:54 pm StaciaKane: @UFChat Any kind of ghost dog or black dog. Any kind of white lady. The ghosts of the Tower of London. You name it I love it! #UFChat

10:52 pm CameronHaleyUF: @StaciaKane Ghosts are the most human monsters, and that makes them both compelling and frightening. I get that vibe in Downside. #UFchat

@CameronHaleyUF Exactly. They were human once, period. They lived a life, and now that life is gone. & they’re symbols of so much. #UFChat

10:53 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Q4: Has Haunted Week replaced Halloween in Chess? world? Are there other ?bogeymen? people/kids fear? #UFchat

10:56 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Hee, yeah, it has. Haunted Week actually takes place over Halloween; Oct 28-Nov 3 every year. So H-ween was part the cause #UFChat

10:57 pm StaciaKane: @UFChat of Haunted Week to begin with, when the veil between the world thinned. Kids still have bogeymen. The Cryin Man in Downside. #UFChat

10:55 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane You have an important role for a dog in the books – Can you explain for those yet to read? #UFchat

10:58 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Dogs are psychopomps. They have been in legends for centuries, the ancient Greeks etc. In this world dogs r literally used #UFChat

10:59 pm StaciaKane: to take ghosts back to the City of Etrnity under the earth. Chruch employees summon them from dog skulls during ritual. #UFChat

11:00 pm LaylaMessner: @StaciaKane Love that about your use of the dog = psychopomp myth #UFChat

11:02 pm StaciaKane: @LaylaMessner Thank you! It was tons of fun. I got to use a bunch of British Traditional Witchcraft research I’d done & more! #UFChat

10:57 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Drug use is intimately tied to story (cause/effect) ? not ever conveniently forgotten. Was that tough to write? #UFchat

11:00 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Um…no. I always feel like I should say it was so people won’t think I’m an addict, but no. It’s such a huge part of Chess #UFChat

11:01 pm StaciaKane: and it appealed as a writer *because* it marked time & structured it, added constant urgency. #UFChat

10:57 pm KM_Ruiz: @StaciaKane With the books being released so close together, was it hard to write them? #UFchat

(APPEARS THE ABOVE QUESTION GOT LOST IN THE TWEET-FLURRY!)

11:01 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Chess is a functioning addict though, yes? Able to contribute to society despite addiction. #UFchat

11:03 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Yes. I did a ton of research; there are actually millions of functioning addicts in the world, people you’d never know #UFChat

11:02 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Q7: Lot of dichotomies in series: magic/tech, truth/lies, control/addiction etc (love that). Did you plan that way? #UFchat

11:05 pm StaciaKane: A7: Some of it I did, yeah. Some of it just happened & I realized it later. I planned control/addiction, but not truth/lies #UFChat

11:03 pm mark_henry: Peeking in to slather some Downside love on @staciakane! When’s 4 due and more importantly when do I get it? Noms. #UFChat

11:06 pm StaciaKane: @mark_henry *slobber* Thanks Mark! No release date yet, but I think they’re thinking of Fall 2011. Probably. #UFChat

11:07 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Q8: Covers for UK & German releases very diff to US. What R strengths of each (in your opinion) regarding Chess? #UFchat

11:07 pm UF_Chat: Here are the covers we’re talking about. #UFchat http://twitpic.com/28clf3

@UF_Chat The UK covers are gorgeous!! I love that they don’t show a clear total face, so leave it ambiguous as to how she looks. #UFChat

11:09 pm StaciaKane: Plus the smoky ghost-stuff (lol) on the UK covers is so cool. They look dark & sexy I think. The German is also very cool, love the #UFChat

11:10 pm StaciaKane: blue background on it. No bangs, & not sure where the sword came from, ha, but I do really, really like it. #UFChat

11:10 pm StaciaKane: Incidentally, the German title is GEISTERFLUT–Ghost Flood–rather than UNHOLY GHOSTS. They thought it sounded better in German. #UFChat

11:09 pm psynde: @Stacia Kane your world building was really hypnotizing! Especially loved the different patois .. Want more… #UFCHAT

11:07 pm tasmin21: @StaciaKane Aw, no release date buddies next year? #UFChat

11:11 pm StaciaKane: @tasmin21 I guess not, no. Sigh. 😦 @Psynde I’m going to try to post snippets as I write them. πŸ™‚ #UFChat

11:09 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Q9: Re ‘quotes’ fr Church texts & others give xtra dimension. Did you create them then choose lines or write as needed? #UFchat

11:19 pm StaciaKane: Q9 They’re written when book is done and tailored to each chapter. #UFChat

11:14 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Events scale of Haunted Week =big affect on pop culture. (eg Vietnam & comics) What stories/forms would be popular? #UFchat

(APPEARS THE ABOVE QUESTION GOT DROWNED IN TWEETS!)

11:17 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Last Q: Chess & Terrible are both very smart in different ways and both read. What would you find on their bookshelves? #UFchat

11:24 pm StaciaKane: Q10: Chess reads lots of fiction. Mostly literary, really. & mysteries etc. Terrible reads non-fiction, military histories & stuff. #UFChat

Q10: But Chess has loaned him some books & made him read them too. πŸ™‚ #UFChat

11:23 pm UF_Chat: Transcript 4 today?s chat on Definitions & Downside will be on #UFchat blog within 24hrs (apocalypses excepted). Follow @UF_Chat 4 updates!

11:24 pm UF_Chat: LINKS on/about Stacia?s series: #UFchat Stacia?s website including info on how to be a part of the Downside Army: http://bit.ly/cM002Y

11:25 pm inkgypsy: The Big Idea – Downside & Chess Putnam http://bit.ly/aPVp5Z – see how it started #UFchat

11:26 pm StaciaKane: Thanks for the great questions, everyone. I’m glad it seems like so many of you found something new to read during the discussion #UFChat

11:26 pm inkgypsy: #UFchat Some insightful interviews I enjoyed:All Things Urban Fantasy: http://bit.ly/cutLV4 Vampire Book Club: http://bit.ly/cOmQ91

11:29 pm inkgypsy: @StaciaKane (edit) We truly appreciate your wit & wisdom today! Cannot wait for bk 3 in few days! #UFchat

11:29 pm StaciaKane: Talking to readers is the best part of being a writer. & I’m a reader too, first and foremost. πŸ™‚ #UFChat

11:30 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Thank you again – have a well deserved drink! *clinks glass* Thanks for your help in a hugely successful 1st #UFchat!

11:32 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Thank you! I hope it was successful. πŸ™‚ It seems everyone’s gone quiet! #UFChat

11:33 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane We went almost 1/2 hr over – think people had to run back to things. πŸ™‚ Was awesome! #UFchat

11:39 pm Madison_Woods: @StaciaKane I didn’t know there were still so many more hiding in the woodworks, LOL πŸ™‚ #ufchat

11:38 pm StaciaKane: @Madison_Woods Yeah, it was cool! I didn’t know so many of us would be here! πŸ™‚ #UFChat

11:41 pm StaciaKane: Has everyone read @tasmin21‘s DEVIL IN THE DETAILS? Awesome UF, male POV, married guy. Really cool. #UFChat

11:46 pm StaciaKane: My laptop battery is about to die, so it’s time for me to go too. Thanks again everyone! You can always talk to me on Twitter #UFChat

11:47 pm StaciaKane: Or email or whatever. πŸ™‚ I love getting emails from readers! #UFChat

11:48 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Do you have a fan email we can add to the transcript? #UFchat

11:52 pm UF_Chat: Want to email Stacia? Here’s the deets! #UFchat RT @StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Contact form on site or staciakane AT gmail. πŸ™‚

11:48 pm StaciaKane: Okay, I’m out! Later everyone! Thanks again! #UFChat

11:50 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Thanks again! Have a great rest of the weekend. Release day looms! Again! Woot! #UFchat

11:53 pm UF_Chat: Over and out. #UFchat – Happy weekend all!

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END of Q&A portion of TRANSCRIPT for JULY 24, 2010

An enormous thank you once again to the lovely Stacia Kane for answering questions about her writing and Downside series. We wish her every success (more! more!).

Book three, City of Ghosts, is out NOW!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)


Transcript for July 24, 2010 – Definitions & Downside

We had a great first chat! It was very busy and the question/answer portions are a little tough to follow but it’s all there. (If I have time I will attempt to put just the direct questions to Stacia and answers by her in a separate post.) Without further ado, here is the transcript from our 1st chat today.
TOPIC: How do YOU define UF (in 140 characs or less)?
Including a special Q&A with Stacia Kane (@StaciaKane), author of the Downside Ghosts books being released back-to-back-to-back for June, July & August 2010. (Unholy Ghosts, Unholy Magic, City of Ghosts)

Note: I’m not sure why the times shown are wrong but the start time was 3pm PST/6pm EST.

Note the 2nd: Yes – I exercised Moderator’s privilege and edited some of the non-UF focused comments toward the end. πŸ™‚ – Gypsy

9:15 pm UF_Chat: Downside bks = Ghostbusters meets Escape From New York +punk rock s/track, black magic, drugs & a black 1969 Chevelle. Come discuss! #UFchat

9:30 pm inkgypsy: Going to go prep for #UFchat – very nervous and excited. Come say hi if you can. πŸ™‚

9:31 pm AuthorWilliam: RT @UF_Chat: Urban fantasy writers & readers: The very 1st #UFchat starts in 30 mins! Topic: What’s YOUR definition of UF? + kick ass Q&A w @StaciaKane!

9:37 pm leapetra: looks like I will be at #ufchat

9:45 pm tadbo: RT @UF_Chat: Grab your coffee, your UF definitions & your Questions on Chess Putnam & Downside for @StaciaKane. #UFchat starts in 15 mins!

9:48 pm AuthorWilliam: @GargoylePhan 15 minutes still, I believe. #UFchat

9:49 pm jflamingo2: RT @UF_Chat: Urban fantasy writers & readers: The very 1st #UFchat starts in 30 mins! Topic: What’s YOUR definition of UF? + kick ass Q&A w @StaciaKane!

9:49 pm thedragongem: RT @UF_Chat: Go grab your coffee, your UF definitions & your Questions on Chess Putnam & Downside for @StaciaKane. #UFchat starts in 15 mins

9:49 pm leapetra: warning tweet stream about to be inundated with #ufchat

9:56 pm snowppl: RT @inkgypsy: Going to go prep for #UFchat – very nervous and excited. Come say hi if you can. πŸ™‚

9:58 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @UF_Chat: Urban fantasy writers & readers: The very 1st #UFchat starts in 30 mins! Topic: What’s YOUR definition of UF? + kick ass Q&A w @StaciaKane!

9:59 pm HC_Palmquist: @inkgypsy Are we using regular Twitter or TweetChat for #UFchat? http://tweetchat.com/

9:59 pm DEcharacters: Looking forward to the different discussions on Urban Fantasy *counting down the seconds* lol #UFchat

10:00 pm jimnduncan: I’m sensing that it’s #ufchat time

10:01 pm UF_Chat: Aaand the 1st #UFchat is now open! Come join in! Use Tweetchat or whatever works for you. πŸ™‚ #UFchat – why don’t we start by saying hi?

10:01 pm inkgypsy: Aaand the 1st #UFchat is now open! Come join in! Use Tweetchat or whatever works for you. πŸ™‚ #UFchat – why don’t we start by saying hi?

10:02 pm LaylaMessner: Back from the lake. Just in time for #UFChat

10:02 pm tasmin21: Hello there! #UFChat

10:02 pm UF_Chat: Welcome everyone! I’m Gypsy – the moderator for #UFchat – don’t be shy. Chime in & let us know you’re here. πŸ™‚ #UFchat

10:02 pm rixshep: @inkgypsy The1st #UFchat now open! Come join in! #UFchat – why don’t we start by saying hi? // Howdy!

10:03 pm GargoylePhan: Hi, I’m Nikki, writer of strange things, reader of same #UFchat

10:03 pm CameronHaleyUF: Hello, #UFchat

10:03 pm theworldamongus: @UF_Chat Hi hi πŸ™‚ I’m Beth, and I’m an Urban Fantasy writer. #UFChat Looking forward to a great chat

10:03 pm UF_Chat: Welcome! We’ll jump into definitions in a minute or so. Everyone have coffee? #UFchat

10:03 pm HC_Palmquist: Hi, Gypsy. Thanks for setting all this up. #UFchat

10:03 pm snowppl: Are we all ready for #ufchat?

10:03 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @inkgypsy: Aaand the 1st #UFchat is now open! Come join in! Use Tweetchat or whatever works for you. πŸ™‚ #UFchat – why don’t we start by saying hi?

10:03 pm UF_Chat: @CameronHaleyUF Welcome! #UFchat

10:03 pm AuthorWilliam: How exciting! the first #UFchat. Glad to be here and join the discussion. William, published indie author of epic fantasy adventure #ufchat

10:03 pm UF_Chat: @HC_Palmquist Welcome no worries! #UFchat

10:03 pm DEcharacters: Hello. I’m Dawn Embers (using my extra account for the chat). Usually have glbt main characters. new to UF #UFchat

10:03 pm valerievaldes: @UF_Chat Hello, Valerie here, forgot the hashtag… #UFchat

10:03 pm JordanDrew: Hey #UFchat ! πŸ™‚

10:04 pm UF_Chat: @theworldamongus Hi! #UFchat

10:04 pm jimnduncan: no coffee. I have a slushie though. #ufchat

10:04 pm tadbo: Lurking in #ufchat, like I do everywhere else. Greetings.

10:04 pm UF_Chat: Gosh! So many people! Hi to you all! Let’s get started. #UFchat

10:04 pm UF_Chat: #UFchat TOPIC: How do YOU define UF (in 140 characs or less)? No ?right? answers but it will give an idea of how we all perceive the genre.

10:04 pm thedragongem: Funny leapetra I read about vampires and minstrels. #UFchat

10:04 pm CameronHaleyUF: Rum and diet…what’s coffee? #UFchat

10:04 pm StaciaKane: My fucking cable/internet just went out due to severe thunderstorms #UFChat

10:05 pm RindaElliott: @UF_Chat Hi! I write UF & am represented by Miriam Kriss . Can only hang here a few minutes. Glad to see my fav genre in a chat! #UFchat

10:05 pm LaylaMessner: Hi, Layla here – veteran reader and budding author of YA UF #UFChat #UFChat

10:05 pm jflamingo2: Hi, I’ll be lurking around #UFchat to see what they’ll be saying since I’m curious.

10:05 pm deborahblake: Hi! I’m Deborah. I write all sorts of things (5 pubbed NF with Llewellyn) but my agent is currently shopping my UF series #UFchat

10:05 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Oh no! Don’t worry – we got lots of discussing happening. Chime in when you can. #UFchat

10:05 pm StaciaKane: Am trying to see what I can do. Will update shortly. May go to free wi-fi place #UFChat

10:06 pm Jinxie_G: Hello all! #UFchat

10:06 pm UF_Chat: So what are people’s definitions of UF? In 140 characs or less. πŸ˜‰ #UFchat

10:06 pm theworldamongus: @UF_Chat OOps meant to add #UFChat to my last tweet. And that its a paranormal story taking place mostly in rural areas. there much better

10:06 pm HoodedMan: I write fiction about the deeper reality, no genre, all or none #ufchat http://bit.ly/bgunkS

10:06 pm LaylaMessner: Fantasy story set in the modern world. #UFChat

10:07 pm UF_Chat: @jimnduncan Absolutely – regular day Sat – regular time 3pm PST/6pm EST – every week. This is the historic 1st one. πŸ™‚ #UFchat

10:07 pm leapetra: Wondering if that is an orc working in Starbucks? my def. #ufchat

10:07 pm StaciaKane: Am on my way to BN, be on shortly. Sorry! #UFChat

10:07 pm rixshep: #UFchat – A1: To me, #UF is the intersection of fantasy worlds with our “real world” (tm/patent pending?). They can crossover & interact.

10:07 pm HC_Palmquist: To me, Urban Fantasy is a paranormal or fantastical story set in modern day, urban society. #UFchat

10:07 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra He he – love it! #UFchat

10:07 pm GargoylePhan: I write crime/thrillers, sci-fi, & horror, but a UF gargoyles novel is marinating in my head, right now just images, someday words #UFchat

10:07 pm CarolynCrane: Hey! Happy to see this #UFChat @StaciaKane and Downside rocks! Look! she’s brought down the internetz.

10:07 pm tasmin21: A story set in a modern setting, with supernatural/paranormal elements. #UFChat

10:08 pm valerievaldes: @UF_Chat What Layla said… fantasy set in the modern world. A step into fantasy from magical realism, say. #UFchat

10:08 pm UF_Chat: Our guest author is locating some wi-fi & will be on for Q&A shortly. In meantime keep the definitions coming! #UFchat

10:08 pm UF_Chat: RT @CarolynCrane: Hey! Happy to see this #UFChat @StaciaKane and Downside rocks! Look! shes brought down the internetz. #UFchat

10:08 pm GargoylePhan: I guess it’s obvious from my name that I’m a big fan of gargoyles ;-] #UFchat

10:08 pm InvasiveNotes: RT @HoodedMan: I write fiction about the deeper reality, no genre, all or none #ufchat http://bit.ly/bgunkS

10:08 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: The intersection between the fantastic and the contemporary – ish. #UFchat

10:09 pm theworldamongus: I should also mention I write fantasy novels revolving around gods falling in love with demons. #ufchat

10:09 pm HoodedMan: @deborahblake I like that definition, since it’s exactly what I’m writing about. But what does UF stands for? Urban… ? #UFchat

10:09 pm leapetra: Looking around the city and noticing that no one looks up, and that gargoyle moved. Or is that me? #ufchat

10:09 pm jimnduncan: Curious how urban has translated to any modern setting. Would think it meant city. #ufchat

10:09 pm JordanDrew: I like this definition. πŸ˜‰ RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: The intersection between the fantastic and the contemporary – ish. #UFchat

10:09 pm deborahblake: @HoodedMan urban fantasy #UFchat

10:10 pm CarolynCrane: So many great definitions! Ditto @rixshep @CameronHaleyUF, others. #UFchat

10:10 pm MarieIvarsson: RT @UF_Chat: Downside bks = Ghostbusters meets Escape From New York +punk rock s/track, black magic, drugs & a black 1969 Chevelle. Come discuss! #UFchat

10:10 pm GargoylePhan: My definition of UF … Supernatural and/or strange creatures in our modern world, I guess #UFchat

10:10 pm deborahblake: @jimnduncan Urban does mean city, but IMHO this definition now encompasses more & urban means “darker” #UFchat

10:10 pm tasmin21: Anymore, I think people see “urban” as a challenge. Like, what, you mean I can’t set it in some sleepy little town? #UFChat

10:10 pm snowppl: For me Urban Fantasy is fantasy in the presnt day setting. Magical realism is more ‘literary’ than UF #ufchat

10:11 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @jimnduncan Not me, none of that rural stuff me. #ufchat

10:11 pm leapetra: City fantasy is different from country. having lived in both. City paranormal is more interesting. #ufchat

10:11 pm UF_Chat: @HoodedMan Urban fantasy. Primarily spec fiction set in urban location, usually modern day. #UFchat

10:11 pm JSterlingS: Urban Fantasy is this era’s answwer to Epic Fantasy. The world is smaller and more local, so we want our fantasy to be as well. #ufchat

10:11 pm AuthorWilliam: When I think of UF I think of the grit and vibration of the modern urban landscape crossed with the ancient feel of the fantastic #UFchat

10:11 pm deborahblake: @leapetra I live in the country and I beg to differ *bwah ha ha* #UFchat

10:11 pm leapetra: Any one can see a fairy ring in the country, but to find one in a city park? #ufchat

10:11 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra I think the city is to do with denser population – hiding is easier. #UFchat

10:12 pm jimnduncan: And how modern is modern? You set a paranormal story in 1950’s NYC, is it UF? #ufchat

10:12 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam Kind of modern mythic then? #UFchat

10:12 pm tasmin21: @jimnduncan Good question. At what point do you slip into “alternate history” instead? #UFChat

10:12 pm UF_Chat: @jimnduncan Do we then have to call it historical UF? This is where we start getting fuzzy… #UFchat

10:12 pm StaciaKane: @CarolynCrane Thass right. I crashed the internets with mah badass powerz. #UFChat

10:13 pm CarolynCrane: I’d add that UF is a vibrant, heavily evolving genre. A vortex of creativity. Psyched to be part of it. #UFchat

10:13 pm HoodedMan: @UF_Chat @deborahblake Of course, where is my mind today… thank you #UFchat

10:13 pm deborahblake: @jimnduncan I don’t think so. If it is set in 1950’s, it is something else. #UFchat

10:13 pm LaylaMessner: @AuthorWilliam I like that def. @JSterlingS Not sure I agree about the world being smaller. #UFChat

10:13 pm leapetra: Russian movie Night Watch and the books it’s based on are great examples of UF #ufchat

10:13 pm UF_Chat: @deborahblake Would love to hear the take on that! Altho rural fantasy doesn’t have as contemporary a ring.. #UFchat

10:13 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat For me, yes. Its the juxtaposition of the ancient and the now slammed so close together that pops for me. #UFchat

10:14 pm valerievaldes: @tasmin21 I’d say there can be alternate world urban fantasy, some of Kim Harrison’s books for example. #UFchat

10:14 pm HC_Palmquist: @StaciaKane That and the 1969 black Chevelle….*drools* #UFchat

10:14 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Is you here? Wee have a few minutes so you can catch your breath. Definitions all over! #UFchat

10:14 pm HoodedMan: I’ wouldn’t define my stories as anything, or any genre, but this is the closest I’ve come #UFchat

10:14 pm JSterlingS: @tasmin21 Alternate History is when you begin messing with the normal human timeline. #UFChat

10:14 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat For me, yes. Its the juxtaposition of the ancient and the now slammed so close together that pops for me. #UFchat

10:14 pm snowppl: Most of the US pop is urban, so even small towns can be considered for UF #ufchat

10:15 pm tasmin21: @valerievaldes That was one of the things I was thinking of. Ilona Andrews’ series, too. #UFChat

10:15 pm LaylaMessner: I think UF says, “what if there’s magic in the world?” Whereas ‘classic’ epic fantasy says, “what if there were a magical world?” #UFChat

10:15 pm deborahblake: @valerievaldes Kim Harrison’s books are still considered UF. Doesn’t have to be “exactly” our world. #UFchat

10:15 pm UF_Chat: . @JSterlingS stacia’s books (being discussed today) start changing history in the 1990’s. #UFchat

10:15 pm tadbo: RT @HC_Palmquist: To me, Urban Fantasy is a paranormal or fantastical story set in modern day, urban society. #UFchat

10:15 pm JSterlingS: @LaylaMessner Twitter proves this world is smaller. The fact that all of us can easily talk is evidence. #UFChat

10:15 pm theworldamongus: RT@AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat For me, yes. Its the juxtaposition of the ancient and the now slammed so close together that pops for me. #UFchat

10:15 pm UF_Chat: RT @LaylaMessner: think UF says, “what if magic in world?” Whereas classic epic fantasy says, “what if there were a magical world?” #UFchat

10:16 pm AuthorWilliam: RT @LaylaMessner: I think UF says, “what if there’s magic in the world?” Whereas ‘classic’ epic fantasy says, “what if there were a magical world?” #UFChat

10:16 pm CarolynCrane: @LaylaMessner Oh, right! Though, Illona Andrews screws that up a little. Hmm. #UFchat

10:16 pm deborahblake: My UF is set in a world mostly like ours, but with obvious differences and a few years ahead #UFchat

10:16 pm UF_Chat: @jimnduncan Agree – altho specifically so when not hidden. Who’s to say they’re just not known now? πŸ˜‰ #UFchat

10:16 pm LaylaMessner: @JSterlingS Hmm, interesting point. Not sure I agree exactly, but won’t get off topic :). #UFChat

10:17 pm HoodedMan: I write about what i see as the real world, quite frankly, & what’s currently perceived as paranormal IS an integral part of that #UFchat

10:17 pm inkgypsy: RT @tadbo: RT @HC_Palmquist: To me, Urban Fantasy is a paranormal or fantastical story set in modern day, urban society. #UFchat

10:17 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: The other question is whether the mascarade is intact #UFChat

10:17 pm rixshep: rt @LaylaMessner UF says, “what if magic in real world?” ‘Classic’ fantasy says, “what if there were a magical world?” #UFChat / Good pnt!

10:17 pm tasmin21: The thing is, no matter what definition you settle on, you’re gonna find popular exceptions to every rule. We’re a dynamic genre. #UFChat

10:18 pm leapetra: You don’t have to be hidden. Humans by nature are going to ignore things they don’t comprehend. #ufchat

10:18 pm salvationdancin: RT @LaylaMessner: I think UF says, “what if there’s magic in the world?” Whereas ‘classic’ epic fantasy says, “what if there were a magical world?” #UFChat

10:18 pm LaylaMessner: @AuthorWilliam I like that #UFChat

10:18 pm leapetra: Most humans anyway πŸ™‚ #ufchat

10:19 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @tasmin21: The thing is, no matter what definition you settle on, you’re gonna find popular exceptions to every rule. We’re a dynamic genre. #UFChat

10:19 pm deborahblake: RT @tasmin21: The thing is, no matter what definition you settle on, youre gonna find exceptions to every rule. a dynamic genre. #UFchat

10:19 pm rixshep: #UFchat – Saberhagen’s “Empire of East/Swords” fantasy takes place in OUR world in far future, w/scientific explanation. So, does it count?

10:19 pm UF_Chat: RT @leaptra You don’t have to be hidden. Humans by nature are going to ignore things they don’t comprehend.– Good point! #UFchat

10:19 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Also whether magic follows the laws of thermodynamics. #UFChat

10:20 pm UF_Chat: I love that UF is so flexible in this way – room for all tastes & variants while still obviously UF. #UFchat

10:20 pm LaylaMessner: I think UF also has the potential to be modern myth – bringing our “gods” (and other mythic creatures) home, as it were #UFChat

10:20 pm HoodedMan: @leapetra Humans today are ignoring a lot of the world, the Magick & the perceived paranormal. I just write about what i experience #UFchat

10:20 pm leapetra: @rixshep I think most UF now is considered to be “modern time” like 20 years past or present from now (my observation) #ufchat

10:20 pm UF_Chat: @Ben_Aaronovitch That’s a slightly difficult area – gets into alt history. #UFchat

10:20 pm deborahblake: @jimnduncan Most novels cross genres…thriller, fantasy, romance–which is the driving force for the plot and the characters? #UFchat

10:20 pm rixshep: rt @deborahblake @tasmin21: Thing is, no matter what def. you settle on, youre gonna find exceptions to every rule. a dynamic genre. #UFchat

10:20 pm CameronHaleyUF: It’s like porn — maybe you can’t define it, but you know it when you see it! #UFchat

10:20 pm JSterlingS: @rixshep Sounds almost like Sci-fan. #UFchat

10:21 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Be on momentarily. Arriving at BN. #UFChat

10:21 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @LaylaMessner Good point. #UFChat

10:21 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat @NLGervasio & I were just discussing how UF really has no limits except for the amounts of graphic sex. #UFchat

10:21 pm tasmin21: *snerk* RT @CameronHaleyUF: Its like porn — maybe you cant define it, but you know it when you see it! #UFChat

10:21 pm LaylaMessner: Haha! RT @CameronHaleyUF: Its like porn — maybe you cant define it, but you know it when you see it! #UFChat

10:21 pm UF_Chat: @CameronHaleyUF LOL! Kind of yes! #UFchat

10:22 pm leapetra: @HoodedMan I understand. Grew up in a haunted house. most ppl will never understand what that is really like #ufchat

10:22 pm UF_Chat: We are in countdown till our Q&A with Stacia. Let me explain how it will work so we can start when she’s ready. #UFchat

10:22 pm marirandomities: Just saw the #ufchat on the stream and squeaked! Does this chat happen every Sunday? What’s today’s topic? Hope I’m not too late… #ufchat

10:22 pm UF_Chat: I?ll ask Stacia questions by # (to help track – I have a lot) but feel free to add own if relates! Open/random Q&A at end. ? #UFchat

10:23 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @leapetra Damn those quantums. #ufchat

10:23 pm UF_Chat: @marirandomities Just started 20 mins ago. : Yes every week now. #UFchat

10:23 pm snowppl: Wow! Sex already? Lol #ufchat

10:23 pm HC_Palmquist: @marirandomities This is the first one! Welcome. We’re discussing the definition of UF and having Q&A with @StaciaKane! #UFchat

10:23 pm leapetra: @marirandomities What is UF and Q&A with an author; #ufchat

10:23 pm HoodedMan: Defining art in genres is inherently wrong. It’s just labeling again #UFchat

10:23 pm GargoylePhan: I’m not a big rule-follower, so I like kinda hazy genres where pretty much anything goes #UFchat

10:23 pm tasmin21: @JSterlingS And dear gods, if we try to decide if it’s PN or UF, we’ll be here till next doomsday. #UFChat

10:23 pm NLGervasio: @JSterlingS That’s exactly what we were saying. lol @HC_Palmquist #UFchat

10:24 pm deborahblake: @JSterlingS Actually, there is UF with graphic sex, too. Depends on whether or not the sex & romance are the “reason” for the story. #UFchat

10:24 pm UF_Chat: Absentee RT @Twilight2000 Teen (only reads UF) describes as “someone I can walk down the street & run into” -but with magic. #UFchat

10:24 pm jenn_benn: Re: urban vs. rural, maybe reviewer @paulgoatallen‘s use of “paranormal fantasy” is a more appropriate blanket term for the genre #UFChat

10:24 pm UF_Chat: @snowppl You knew it was going to happen. LOL #UFchat

10:24 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: If we’re having sex can I introduce nazis now cf: the Atrocity Archive. #UFChat

10:24 pm leapetra: @JSterlingS And dear gods, if we try to decide if its PN or UF, well be here till next doomsday. > Look at the book covers. πŸ™‚ #ufchat

10:25 pm RedBalloonBooks: okay, so maybe it’s because it’s the end of the day at the end of the week, but I can’t figure out: what is #ufchat about?

10:25 pm UF_Chat: @deborahblake I think UF allows for graphic sex – not always a given but some ‘grit’ is expected. #UFchat

10:25 pm turnfeel33: Sorry, a little late. Questions ready to fire #UFchat

10:25 pm deborahblake: @UF_Chat Good definition, except she could run into me, and I’m *magic* πŸ™‚ #UFchat

10:25 pm HC_Palmquist: @deborahblake Really? I didn’t know that. So @Jeaniene_Frost would be UF instead of Paranormal Romance? #UFchat

10:25 pm marirandomities: @HC_Palmquist Thanks for the welcome and info! Nice to meet you. πŸ™‚ #ufchat

10:25 pm UF_Chat: @leapetra Hence why we need a weekly chat – so much variation & possibility. Don’t get started on YA versions! #UFchat

10:26 pm deborahblake: @HC_Palmquist I’m not sure–haven’t read her. But I think she’s usually located with either one. #UFchat

10:26 pm rixshep: @JSterlingS: @rixshep Sounds almost like Sci-fan. #UFchat / Is there distinct diff between urban and scifi fantasy? Blurry lines? #UFchat

10:26 pm yobyh: RT @editorialdept: re: far future w/ scientific explanation – “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” – Arthur C Clarke #ufchat

10:26 pm LaylaMessner: Great discussion re: UF vs Paranormal Romance here – http://community.livejournal.com/fangs_fur_fey/476174.html #UFChat

10:27 pm InvasiveNotes: RT @HoodedMan: Defining art in genres is inherently wrong. It’s just labeling again #UFchat

10:27 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat Awesome idea!!! Thanks! #UFchat

10:27 pm StaciaKane: Okay, I’m here! Sheesh! Stupid weather! #UFChat

10:27 pm UF_Chat: @turnfeel33 Jump in. We’re waiting for our guest to be ready & definitions of UF rule. #UFchat

10:27 pm deborahblake: Truth is, much of the time UF and PR are very similar. Depends on who is doing the defining! #UFchat

10:27 pm HoodedMan: I write stories, not genres #UFchat

10:27 pm StaciaKane: Sorry everyone. #UFChat

10:27 pm snowppl: @UF_Chat I was warned! Haha sex should not be necessary for a story. If it doesn’t fit, bye bye! #ufchat

10:27 pm LaylaMessner: Yay, Stacia’s here! #UFChat

10:27 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: Isn’t it PNR=woman has back to camera. UF=woman faces camera on cover. #UFChat

10:27 pm HillaryJacques: Nature cannot stop @StaciaKane #UFchat

10:28 pm deborahblake: @StaciaKane Such dedication! Catch your breath πŸ™‚ #UFchat

10:28 pm jimnduncan: I agree. Focus of the plot is likely what counts the most when determining genre/sub-genre. #ufchat

10:28 pm UF_Chat: @HoodedMan Agree – best to write stories not genres. But once written good to know where falls to help potential readers find you. #UFchat

10:28 pm editorialdept: HA! Sadly, accurate RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: Isnt it PNR=woman has back to camera. UF=woman faces camera on cover. #ufchat

10:29 pm StaciaKane: @tasmin21 Ha! Totally. The worst part is the storm had actually ended, then one last lightning/thunder right overhead fried the net. #UFChat

10:29 pm AuthorWilliam: RT @UF_Chat: @HoodedMan Agree – best to write stories not genres. But once written good to know where falls to help potential readers find you. #UFchat

10:29 pm UF_Chat: @jimnduncan Agree – that’s the whole F (‘fantasy’) part coming last thing. The spec part is most important. Place is 2ndary. #UFchat

10:29 pm JSterlingS: @rixshep Sci-fan tends to have high tech (laser rifles) along with magic (fireballs, demon summoners). While UF uses current tech. #UFchat

10:29 pm HillaryJacques: @Ben_Aaronovitch *haha* Isn’t it PNR=woman has back to camera. UF=woman faces camera on cover #UFChat

10:29 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Are you ready for questions? #UFchat

10:29 pm turnfeel33: Stacia good thing we all love you here *wink* #UFchat

10:30 pm JSterlingS: RT @HoodedMan: I write stories, not genres #UFchat

10:30 pm marirandomities: Oh yes. RT @editorialdept: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” – Arthur C Clarke #ufchat

10:30 pm stevenwriter: RT @UF_Chat: @HoodedMan Agree – best to write stories not genres. But once written good to know where falls to help potential readers find you. #UFchat

10:31 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: Isn’t it PNR=woman has back to camera. UF=woman faces camera on cover. #UFChat

10:31 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat I am indeed ready! Finally caught my breath. πŸ™‚ #UFChat

10:31 pm UF_Chat: Time to welcome our special guest author @StaciaKane! Please hold definition discussion till after now. ? #UFchat

10:31 pm deborahblake: We ALL write stories, not genres. But agents, editors & booksellers will classify anyway. #UFchat

10:32 pm UF_Chat: I?m delighted to welcome @StaciaKane, author of Downside series, as special guest for Q&A! Thx for taking questions today Stacia! #UFchat

10:32 pm UF_Chat: I?ll ask Stacia questions by # (to help track) but feel free to add own if relates! Open/random Q&A at end. ? #UFchat

10:32 pm HoodedMan: @UF_Chat Nah, that’s just the retailers with their “filing” problem… #UFchat

10:33 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @UF_Chat: I?m delighted to welcome @StaciaKane, author of Downside series, as special guest for Q&A! Thx for taking questions today Stacia! #UFchat

10:33 pm rixshep: @editorialdept In DnD rp, my char, a sorceror inventor says “Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguisable from technology!” #UFchat

10:33 pm GargoylePhan: Be back in a minute. Cat wants FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD #UFchat

10:33 pm theworldamongus: @uf_chat now youre talkin lol #ufchat

10:34 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Do you need me to put the @ to you at the head of the questions? or are you OK following #UFchat? #UFchat

10:34 pm marirandomities: @StaciaKane Hi there! Thanks for being here. πŸ™‚ #ufchat

10:35 pm marirandomities: RT @UF_Chat: @HoodedMan Agree – best to write stories not genres. But once written good to know where falls #ufchat

10:35 pm UF_Chat: We may be waiting for stormy weather to cooperate here… #UFchat

10:36 pm marirandomities: RT @UF_Chat: I?m delighted to welcome @StaciaKane, author of Downside series, as special guest for Q&A! #ufchat

10:36 pm shilohwalker: @StaciaKane there’s a short story coming out, right? When? πŸ™‚ #UFChat

10:36 pm UF_Chat: They’re currently being released back-to-back-to-back (June, July, Aug) – 3rd coming out in just a few days! #UFchat

10:36 pm CameronHaleyUF: Am I the only one who *likes* writing genre stories? I enjoy working with and twisting the conventions. *shrug* #UFchat

10:36 pm yobyh: RT @tadbo: RT @HC_Palmquist: To me, Urban Fantasy is a paranormal or fantastical story set in modern day, urban society. #UFchat

10:37 pm StaciaKane: Sorry forgot the tag! Interview re UF/PNR differences:http://bit.ly/aqVz1E #UFChat

10:37 pm DEcharacters: @CameronHaleyUF I enjoy discovering genres, and doing the writing knowing where the stories fit #UFchat

10:37 pm yobyh: RT @snowppl: Most of the US pop is urban, so even small towns can be considered for UF #ufchat

10:37 pm rixshep: rt @marirandomities @StaciaKane Hi there! Thanks for being here. πŸ™‚ #ufchat // Indeed! Welcome!

10:38 pm yobyh: RT @snowppl: For me Urban Fantasy is fantasy in the presnt day setting. Magical realism is more ‘literary’ than UF #ufchat

10:38 pm UF_Chat: . @StaciaKane‘s book features addict ghost debunker Chess Putnam & the trouble she’s pulled into by Downside (& real ghosts too). #UFchat

10:38 pm marirandomities: Urban fantasy vs. paranormal romance: RT @StaciaKane: Interview re UF/PNR differences:http://bit.ly/aqVz1E #ufchat

10:38 pm ellejohara: I’ve always liked the idea of magic in stories but I never liked the idea that it always had to be in a “Dungeons and Dragons” world #ufchat

10:38 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane You OK using the tag? The 1st question is up. I can re-? if you like – -do you need the @ to you? #UFchat

10:38 pm rixshep: rt @CameronHaleyUF Am I only one who *likes* writing genre stories? Enjoy working w/and twisting conventions. #UFchat / You are NOT alone!

10:39 pm UF_Chat: RT @StaciaKane: Sorry forgot the tag! Interview re UF/PNR differences:http://bit.ly/aqVz1E #UFchat

10:39 pm Maria_Savva: RT @deborahblake: We ALL write stories, not genres. But agents, editors & booksellers will classify anyway. #UFchat

10:39 pm yobyh: RT @snowppl: Are we all ready for #ufchat?

10:39 pm jimnduncan: What’s the groundbreaking reference about regarding the Downside books? (curious, not saying they aren’t) #ufchat

10:39 pm StaciaKane: @shilohwalker πŸ™‚ There is a Downside short story coming out, yes, but I don’t have a release date for the antho yet. #UFChat

10:40 pm deborahblake: @jimnduncan I was going to ask the same thing! #UFchat

10:40 pm StaciaKane: @CameronHaleyUF No, you’re not. I like to write genre stories; it gives me conventions to play with/ignore/pervert. #UFChat

10:40 pm ellejohara: And when I read @neilhimself‘s “Neverwhere”, I knew that magic and the gritty urban world were compatible. #ufchat

10:40 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Q1: What draws you to UF as a writer? #UFchat

10:40 pm psynde: @StaciaKane how did music play a part in the Downside Series? #UFchat

10:41 pm StaciaKane: I *want* to write urban fantasy. Ijust want to write it in my own style, my own way, with the things I think are awesome & whatever. #UFChat

10:41 pm UF_Chat: @jimnduncan The premise has been called audacious – getting rid of religion, having drug addict as MC, use of unique vernacular. #UFchat

10:41 pm AlizaMannAuthor: PNR means the girl gets the Guy. UF means couple may end apart. Romance has 2b happily ever after. #UFCHAT

10:41 pm MindyRuiz: Attn UF writers –> RT @HC_Palmquist: To me, Urban Fantasy is a paranormal or fantastical story set in modern day, urban society. #UFchat

10:41 pm ellejohara: Now I write and draw a web comic that I consider to be urban fantasy. #ufchat

10:42 pm yobyh: RT @leapetra: RT @HoodedMan: I write stories, not genres #ufchat

10:42 pm HoodedMan: @deborahblake I use the term “general fiction” for my books just to avoid classifying them. Let the retailers suffer… #UFchat

10:42 pm yobyh: RT @StaciaKane: I *want* to write urban fantasy. Ijust want to write it in my own style, my own way, with the things I think are awesome & whatever. #UFChat

10:42 pm marirandomities: @leapetra Sorry you have to go! Glad to have met you here. πŸ™‚ #ufchat

10:42 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Q2: You said ghosts are ur preferred UF ‘creatures’ & series has plenty. Why ghosts and why ?dark? ghosts in particular? #UFchat

10:42 pm LaylaMessner: RT @StaciaKane: I *want* to write UF. I just want to write it in my own style, my own way, with the things I think are awesome… #UFChat

10:42 pm StaciaKane: @deborahblake @jimnduncan That’s a question you’d have to ask people who’ve read them I guess. #UFChat

10:43 pm shilohwalker: #UFChat genre tags aren’t a bad thing- they help readers find books. We want that. I wouldn’t look upon it as a constraint

10:43 pm buffysquirrel: RT @StaciaKane: I *want* to write urban fantasy. Ijust want to write it in my own style, my own way, with the things I think are awesome & whatever. #UFChat

10:43 pm deborahblake: RT @shilohwalker: genre tags arent a bad thing- they help readers find books. We want that. I wouldnt look upon it as a constraint #UFchat

10:44 pm shilohwalker: @StaciaKane well shoot. #UFChat

10:44 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @shilohwalker: #UFChat genre tags aren’t a bad thing- they help readers find books. We want that. I wouldn’t look upon it as a constraint

10:44 pm StaciaKane: @AlizaMannAuthor PNR the book is *about* the romance, & plot spins from it. UF plot is *about* whatever, & romance may come from it. #UFChat

10:44 pm yobyh: RT @AlizaMannAuthor: PNR means the girl gets the Guy. UF means couple may end apart. Romance has 2b happily ever after. #UFCHAT

10:44 pm marirandomities: I was inspired by it too. πŸ™‚ RT @ellejohara: when I read @neilhimself‘s “Neverwhere” I knew magic &gritty urb world were compatible #ufchat

10:44 pm jimnduncan: @StaciaKane Yes, I am buying the book soon. I swear! #ufchat

10:44 pm snowppl: @StaciaKane thank you for joining us today! #ufchat

10:44 pm Sandy_Wills: Are urban fantasies always sold as a series? #UFchat

10:45 pm LaylaMessner: RT @UF_Chat: @LaylaMessner Definitely modern myth. UF also often mentioned as the modern fairy tale (old type – not Disney) #UFchat

10:45 pm ellejohara: @UF_Chat If you’re curious: http://lesbiandrama.com/ It has alternate universe/urban fantasy going for it. #ufchat

10:45 pm jimnduncan: @Sandy_Wills No, but it’s pretty common for them to come that way these days. #ufchat

10:45 pm UF_Chat: @Sandy_Wills Not always but it is often the norm. UF seems to lend itself to series and series arcs. #UFchat

10:46 pm HoodedMan: @sandy_wills certainly not, you may always write single books, and many, like myself do #UFchat

10:46 pm ConsiderThis1: RT @HoodedMan: My series The Janus Clan deals with the total re-emergence of Magick, not just to the world, but to human general consciousness #UFchat

10:46 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @Sandy_Wills Only if you can get a 3 book deal. #UFchat

10:46 pm StaciaKane: @sandy_wills Not always, but usually. You sell the first & say it “is planned as a series.” They buy the 1st + X# more. #UFChat

10:47 pm AuthorWilliam: Genre is on of those things that you wield or it wields you. You choose. #UFchat

10:47 pm AuthorWilliam: I’ll learn to spell eventually. #UFchat

10:47 pm LaylaMessner: RT @AuthorWilliam: Genre is on of those things that you wield or it wields you. You choose. #UFChat

10:48 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane 2: You said ghosts are ur preferred UF ‘creatures’ & series has plenty. Why ghosts and why ?dark? ghosts? #UFchat

10:48 pm shilohwalker: RT @AuthorWilliam: Genre one of those things that you wield it wields you. You choose. #UFchat ( heh- good way to view it)

10:48 pm deborahblake: RT @AuthorWilliam: Genre is on of those things that you wield or it wields you. You choose. *Absolutely!* #UFchat

10:49 pm inkgypsy: @HoodedMan It’s recommended you write stand alones – esp to start. A multi contract is a different kind of writing. #UFchat

10:49 pm AuthorWilliam: @ManyKindRegards That’s fair. The goal is a compelling final result. Writers are best to know themselves. πŸ™‚ #UFchat

10:50 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Oh, I just love ghost stories, always have. They have so many possibilities, have unique backstories, they can be anything. #UFChat

10:50 pm vautrin: RT @LaylaMessner Haha! RT @CameronHaleyUF: Its like porn — maybe you cant define it, but you know it when you see it! #UFChat

10:51 pm UF_Chat: We’re in our 1st #UFchat right now – Q&A with @StaciaKane – come join us!

10:51 pm inkgypsy: We’re in our 1st #UFchat right now – Q&A with @StaciaKane – come join us!

10:51 pm rixshep: #UFchat Re: Series in #UF stories. Consider since it is escapist #lit, if one enjoys it, they want to return to it again, so want a series.

10:51 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Q3: What are some of your favorite ghost stories/legends/tales? #UFchat

10:51 pm shilohwalker: @StaciaKane I know I’ve mentioned this but I love the downside books.;) #UFChat

10:51 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat And “dark” ghosts because those are scary! Something that’s a real threat. Unkillable. Unstoppable. Can be anywhere. FUN! #UFChat

10:51 pm JordanDrew: RT @UF_Chat: Were in our 1st #UFchat right now – Q&A with @StaciaKane – come join us! #UFchat

10:52 pm StaciaKane: @shilohwalker Thanks Shiloh! πŸ™‚ #UFChat

10:52 pm rixshep: #UFchat Would most consider the “Harry Potter” series to be urban fantasy?

10:52 pm UF_Chat: @rixshep At least one of the books is – the one that takes place mostly in the human world & not at Hogwarts – yes. #UFchat

10:52 pm marirandomities: Good Q. RT @rixshep: #UFchat Would most consider the “Harry Potter” series to be urban fantsy? #ufchat

10:52 pm HC_Palmquist: @rixshep No, those are distinctly YA. #UFchat

10:52 pm CameronHaleyUF: @StaciaKane Ghosts are the most human monsters, and that makes them both compelling and frightening. I get that vibe in Downside. #UFchat

10:53 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Hmm. I like the one w/the hitchhiker who is actually dead. The one where the driver stays at the inn,wakes up in ruins #UFChat

10:53 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Q4: Has Haunted Week replaced Halloween in Chess? world? Are there other ?bogeymen? people/kids fear? #UFchat

10:53 pm vautrin: Looks like vry interesting TwitChat going on now about urban fantasy under tag #UFchat

10:53 pm snowppl: RT @StaciaKane: @UF_Chat And “dark” ghosts because those are scary! Something that’s a real threat. Unkillable. Unstoppable. Can be anywhere. FUN! #UFChat

10:54 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Ooh yes – hitchhiker ones are so creepy! #UFchat

10:54 pm StaciaKane: @UFChat Any kind of ghost dog or black dog. Any kind of white lady. The ghosts of the Tower of London. You name it I love it! #UFChat

10:54 pm NLGervasio: @AuthorWilliam Blood and Chocolate could be UF and YA. #UFchat

10:54 pm deborahblake: @AuthorWilliam There is plenty of YA UF–but I think we’re talking about that on another week. #UFchat

10:54 pm UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam YA isn’t a genre – it’s a marketing bracket. There is YA UF, YA chicklit, YA action/adventure etc #UFchat

10:54 pm HC_Palmquist: @AuthorWilliam While there are obvious elements at times, as far as genre goes, it is usually qualified as Paranormal YA. #UFchat

10:55 pm ManyKindRegards: @AuthorWilliam I just have to write…period. The rest always seems to work itself out. (Of course I don’t write fiction either) #UFchat

10:55 pm rixshep: rt @ellejohara Another film inspired my interest in UF called “Cast a Deadly Spell”. Hard boiled detective in a HP Lovecraft world. #ufchat

10:55 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane You have an important role for a dog in the books – Can you explain for those yet to read? #UFchat

10:56 pm deborahblake: @rixshep Sounds neat. When did it come out and who was in it? #UFchat

10:56 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Hee, yeah, it has. Haunted Week actually takes place over Halloween; Oct 28-Nov 3 every year. So H-ween was part the cause #UFChat

10:56 pm UF_Chat: Everybody OK to go over time a bit here? We got a late connect to @StaciaKane & I’m good to hang around for a bit if all are. #UFchat

10:57 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat That was my thinking. #UFchat

10:57 pm StaciaKane: @UFChat of Haunted Week to begin with, when the veil between the world thinned. Kids still have bogeymen. The Cryin Man in Downside. #UFChat

10:57 pm HoodedMan: @inkgypsy Perhaps, but I self publish & don’t need to bother with redundant things like contracts… I publish exactly what i desire #UFchat

10:57 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Drug use is intimately tied to story (cause/effect) ? not ever conveniently forgotten. Was that tough to write? #UFchat

10:57 pm deborahblake: Have to go get some writing done! (Chat is lovely, but it doesn’t get the book done!) Thanks for doing the chat. #UFchat

10:57 pm turnfeel33: I think we might all be just obsessed enough to say ‘Hell Yeah’ #UFchat

10:57 pm KM_Ruiz: @StaciaKane With the books being released so close together, was it hard to write them? #UFchat

10:57 pm HC_Palmquist: @UF_Chat Go for it! We just got to the good part…and I’m hoping there’s a question about the Chevelle. @StaciaKane #UFchat

10:57 pm GargoylePhan: … deliberately choose it. It basically wrote itself, my sub-conscience didn’t ask my permission ;-] But the villain is ghosty #UFchat

10:57 pm rixshep: #UFchat Seems like most here prefer or consider UF to have strong horror elements. Personally, my fav UF has little to no horror.

10:58 pm marirandomities: RT @UF_Chat: @AuthorWilliam YA isnt a genre – its a marketing bracket. There is YA UF, YA chicklit, YA action/adventure etc #ufchat

10:58 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Dogs are psychopomps. They have been in legends for centuries, the ancient Greeks etc. In this world dogs r literally used #UFChat

10:58 pm AuthorWilliam: @snowppl Agreed. #Ufchat

10:59 pm StaciaKane: to take ghosts back to the City of Etrnity under the earth. Chruch employees summon them from dog skulls during ritual. #UFChat

10:59 pm CameronHaleyUF: @rixshep Horror is just one influence in UF…doesn’t have to have horror elements any more than it has to have romance elements. #UFchat

10:59 pm JSterlingS: @marirandomities Yes, @dduane ‘s books are both UF and YA, but published as YA. #ufchat

10:59 pm HoodedMan: One should discard as much as possible of the old, redundant publishing system, of course #UFchat

11:00 pm Ben_Aaronovitch: @rixshep I found horror creeping into my work even though I’m not really a horror person. #UFchat

11:00 pm leatherzebra: @StaciaKane is #UFchat still going?

11:00 pm LaylaMessner: @StaciaKane Love that about your use of the dog = psychopomp myth #UFChat

11:00 pm GraylinFox: RT @MindyRuiz: Attn UF writers –> RT @HC_Palmquist: To me, Urban Fantasy is a paranormal or fantastical story set in modern day, urban society. #UFchat

11:00 pm UF_Chat: @marirandomities YA is not ‘genre’ – it’s marketing bracket – write to an age group. Within YA is YA UF, YA horror, YA chicklit etc #UFchat

11:00 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Um…no. I always feel like I should say it was so people won’t think I’m an addict, but no. It’s such a huge part of Chess #UFChat

11:01 pm StaciaKane: and it appealed as a writer *because* it marked time & structured it, added constant urgency. #UFChat

11:01 pm GargoylePhan: My ghost isn’t the traditional dark mansion type — he haunts a vehicle, actually. Or is obsessed with it, anyway #UFchat

11:01 pm rixshep: @deborahblake Actually, I was going to ask original poster > @ellejohara It caught my interest since I DO like Lovecraft horror. #UFchat

11:01 pm marirandomities: @JSterlingS @valerievaldes Thanks! I thought so. Must check out @dduane ‘s books. πŸ™‚ #ufchat

11:01 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Chess is a functioning addict though, yes? Able to contribute to society despite addiction. #UFchat

11:02 pm StaciaKane: @LaylaMessner Thank you! It was tons of fun. I got to use a bunch of British Traditional Witchcraft research I’d done & more! #UFChat

11:02 pm HoodedMan: True artistic freedom & independence http://bit.ly/190XgU #UFchat

11:02 pm GargoylePhan: I consider my ghost story Horror, not UF, even tho I supposed it could qualify as either. But he’s more monstrous than ghostly #UFchat

11:02 pm marirandomities: @UF_Chat Curiously enough, agents, publishers etc. treat YA as a genre. Why do you disagree? #ufchat

11:02 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Q7: Lot of dichotomies in series: magic/tech, truth/lies, control/addiction etc (love that). Did you plan that way? #UFchat

11:03 pm marirandomities: Cool! RT @Ben_Aaronovitch: @rixshep I found horror creeping into my work even though Im not really a horror person. #ufchat

11:03 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Yes. I did a ton of research; there are actually millions of functioning addicts in the world, people you’d never know #UFChat

11:03 pm mark_henry: Peeking in to slather some Downside love on @staciakane! When’s 4 due and more importantly when do I get it? Noms. #UFChat

11:03 pm GargoylePhan: Or not. They do overlap, don’t they? ;-} #UFchat

11:04 pm StaciaKane: @HoodedMan I had true artistic freedom and independence too, just FYI. Nobody told me I couldn’t do something in my books. #UFChat

11:05 pm UF_Chat: @marirandomities Because within YA are all the other genres – just like children’s lit. All genres within that target too. #UFchat

11:05 pm StaciaKane: A7: Some of it I did, yeah. Some of it just happened & I realized it later. I planned control/addiction, but not truth/lies #UFChat

11:06 pm HC_Palmquist: RT @StaciaKane: @HoodedMan I had true artistic freedom and independence too, just FYI. Nobody told me I couldn’t do something in my books. #UFChat

11:06 pm StaciaKane: @mark_henry *slobber* Thanks Mark! No release date yet, but I think they’re thinking of Fall 2011. Probably. #UFChat

11:06 pm marirandomities: @UF_Chat Hmm, makes sense. I wish the market were as clear as your reasoning. #ufchat

11:06 pm rixshep: @ManyKindRegardsTry the “Wiz Biz” series by Rick Cook. Nerdy programmer meets “real” fantasy world. #UFchat 1st book is “Wizard’s Bane”.

11:07 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Q8: Covers for UK & German releases very diff to US. What R strengths of each (in your opinion) regarding Chess? #UFchat

11:07 pm UF_Chat: Here are the covers we’re talking about. #UFchat http://twitpic.com/28clf3

11:07 pm GargoylePhan: @deborahblake Have you read @ce_murphy‘s Old Races novels? Gargoyle character rocks … No, will def check ’em out :-} #UFchat

11:07 pm tasmin21: @StaciaKane Aw, no release date buddies next year? #UFChat

11:09 pm psynde: @Stacia Kane your world building was really hypnotizing! Especially loved the different patois .. Want more… #UFCHAT

11:09 pm StaciaKane: Plus the smoky ghost-stuff (lol) on the UK covers is so cool. They look dark & sexy I think. The German is also very cool, love the #UFChat

11:09 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Q9: Re ‘quotes’ fr Church texts & others give xtra dimension. Did you create them then choose lines or write as needed? #UFchat

11:10 pm StaciaKane: blue background on it. No bangs, & not sure where the sword came from, ha, but I do really, really like it. #UFChat

11:10 pm ManyKindRegards: Urban Fiction, go check out the chat #UFchat RT @jlandonw: @ManyKindRegards UF?

11:10 pm rixshep: @marirandomities @Ben_Aaronovitch: #ufchat Certainly horror & fantasy, especially urban fantasy, have a lot of overlap & common elements!

11:10 pm StaciaKane: Incidentally, the German title is GEISTERFLUT–Ghost Flood–rather than UNHOLY GHOSTS. They thought it sounded better in German. #UFChat

11:11 pm HoodedMan: @StaciaKane Since I know nothing about your personal circumstances it’s difficult 2 comment on that, but generally speaking? No way! #UFChat

11:11 pm UF_Chat: We are running over a bit today due to our late connection but #UFchat is still happening! Come join the Q&A with @StaciaKane #UFchat

11:11 pm AuthorWilliam: @UF_Chat What time does this chat officially end? I need to run and want to know what times I can pop back in. #UFchat

11:11 pm StaciaKane: @tasmin21 I guess not, no. Sigh. 😦 @Psynde I’m going to try to post snippets as I write them. πŸ™‚ #UFChat

11:12 pm ellejohara: I’m loving the chat, but I have to get back to drawing my comic. Thanks @AuthorWilliam for pointing me toward #ufchat!

11:13 pm AuthorWilliam: @ellejohara Was awesome that you jumped in! Happy drawing! #UFchat

11:14 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Events scale of Haunted Week =big affect on pop culture. (eg Vietnam & comics) What stories/forms would be popular? #UFchat

11:14 pm LaylaMessner: Thanks for the great chat, @StaciaKane @UF_Chat and everyone! #UFChat

11:14 pm UF_Chat: @ellejohara Link us to your UF comic sometime! Thanks for dropping by. We’re on again next week. πŸ™‚ #UFchat

11:15 pm rixshep: rt @CameronHaleyUF Horror is just 1 influence in UF…doesn’t have to have horror elements any more romance elements. #UFchat / Agreed!

11:15 pm AuthorWilliam: @LaylaMessner Take care, great chatting with you #UFchat

11:16 pm psynde: @StaciaKane gotta run back to work now.. YOU ROCK!! πŸ™‚ #UFCHAT

11:16 pm rixshep: rt @ellejohara @deborahblake @rixshep Here’s the IMDB for the film: http://imdb.to/12dmde #UFchat // Thanks!

11:16 pm LaylaMessner: @AuthorWilliam Thanks. Likewise πŸ™‚ #UFChat

11:17 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Last Q: Chess & Terrible are both very smart in different ways and both read. What would you find on their bookshelves? #UFchat

11:17 pm StaciaKane: @HoodedMan I don’t know a single pro writer ever asked to compromise integrity/censor. #UFChat

11:18 pm tasmin21: @StaciaKane @HoodedMan In fact, I was just asked to STOP self-censoring. Go figure. πŸ˜‰ #UFChat

11:18 pm Madison_Woods: I hope I’m in time to catch some of the #UFChat – just getting home.

11:19 pm StaciaKane: Q9 They’re written when book is done and tailored to each chapter. #UFChat

11:19 pm shilohwalker: RT @StaciaKane: @HoodedMan I don’t know a single pro writer ever asked to compromise integrity/censor. #UFChat (me neither)

11:19 pm UF_Chat: @Madison_Woods Just the tail end. Plenty of reading in the transcript to come. On last Q’s and wrap up now. πŸ™‚ #UFchat

11:20 pm Madison_Woods: @UF_Chat I’m reading back through now, will definitely be interested in transcript πŸ™‚ #ufchat

11:21 pm rixshep: @UF_Chat Congratulations on a great first #UFchat! And thank you to @StaciaKane for being the first guest author!

11:22 pm thedragongem: I have found so many UF writers by using Twitter. Makes me happy! #UFchat

11:22 pm tasmin21: @thedragongem Makes the writers happy too! #UFChat

11:22 pm UF_Chat: @rixshep Thanks for participating & making it fun! #UFchat

11:23 pm MarieIvarsson: @UF_Chat and @StaciaKane Thanks for this chat! I’m a bit slow to participate, but I’m looking forward to more discussion in future! #UFChat

11:23 pm jimnduncan: Thanks for taking the time to chat, Stacia! #ufchat

11:23 pm thedragongem: @tasmin21 Just started following you and will have to go pick up your book. #UFchat

11:23 pm UF_Chat: Transcript 4 today?s chat on Definitions & Downside will be on #UFchat blog within 24hrs (apocalypses excepted). Follow @UF_Chat 4 updates!

11:24 pm miranda00writes: Thanks for answering questions Stacia! #UFchat

11:24 pm UF_Chat: LINKS on/about Stacia?s series: #UFchat Stacia?s website including info on how to be a part of the Downside Army: http://bit.ly/cM002Y

11:24 pm inkgypsy: LINKS on/about Stacia?s series: #UFchat Stacia?s website including info on how to be a part of the Downside Army: http://bit.ly/cM002Y

11:24 pm StaciaKane: Q10: Chess reads lots of fiction. Mostly literary, really. & mysteries etc. Terrible reads non-fiction, military histories & stuff. #UFChat

11:24 pm turnfeel33: See you next week… same Bat Time same Bat Channel #UFchat

11:24 pm HoodedMan: @tasmin21 as long as you don’t go outside society’s accepted parameters, i guess #UFChat

11:24 pm RindaElliott: Have friends coming, so have to go. Looking forward to the books, Stacia! Thanks! Also glad to see my fav genre represented. #ufchat

11:25 pm jimnduncan: And thanks to @Uf_Chat for kicking this off. Looking forward to future chats. #ufchat

11:25 pm inkgypsy: The Big Idea ? Downside & Chess Putnam http://bit.ly/aPVp5Z – see how it started #UFchat

11:26 pm tasmin21: All right, back to editing Book 2. People are gonna be upset if I don’t get it done. πŸ˜‰ #UFChat

11:26 pm StaciaKane: Thanks for the great questions, everyone. I’m glad it seems like so many of you found something new to read during the discussion #UFChat

11:26 pm inkgypsy: #UFchat Some insightful interviews I enjoyed:All Things Urban Fantasy: http://bit.ly/cutLV4 Vampire Book Club: http://bit.ly/cOmQ91

11:27 pm turnfeel33: @StaciaKane love your answers. #UFchat

11:27 pm StaciaKane: I just wish I hadn’t had internet troubles! Ugh. Chess & I have the same luck. But we have almost everything the same. πŸ™‚ #UFChat

11:28 pm DebNemeth: RT @shilohwalker: #UFChat genre tags aren’t a bad thing- they help readers find books. We want that. I wouldn’t look upon it as a constraint

11:28 pm StaciaKane: @turnfeel33 Thanks! πŸ™‚ #UFChat

11:29 pm inkgypsy: @StaciaKane (edit) We truly appreciate your wit & wisdom today! Cannot wait for bk 3 in few days! #UFchat

11:29 pm StaciaKane: My damn laptop battery is dying now! I cannot believe this day, sigh. But I didn’t want to miss this chance to chat w/everyone. #UFChat

11:29 pm StaciaKane: Talking to readers is the best part of being a writer. & I’m a reader too, first and foremost. πŸ™‚ #UFChat

11:30 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Thank you again – have a well deserved drink! *clinks glass* Thanks for your help in a hugely successful 1st #UFchat!

11:32 pm StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Thank you! I hope it was successful. πŸ™‚ It seems everyone’s gone quiet! #UFChat

11:32 pm UF_Chat: Reminder: Transcript going up in 24 hrs – be sure to read all the great input we had today! Thanks for coming. See you next Sat! #UFchat

11:32 pm JordanDrew: RT @UF_Chat: Transcript going up in 24 hrs – be sure to read all the great input we had today! Thanks for coming. See you next Sat! #UFchat

11:33 pm CameronHaleyUF: Very successful. Coherent, even, for a twitter chat! #UFchat

11:33 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane We went almost 1/2 hr over – think people had to run back to things. πŸ™‚ Was awesome! #UFchat

11:33 pm turnfeel33: RT @inkgypsy: @StaciaKane (edit) We truly appreciate your wit & wisdom today! Cannot wait for bk 3 in few days! #UFchat

11:36 pm inkgypsy: @StaciaKane This was the big historic 1st one. Every week now but not a Q&A every week – you were the ‘special’ today. πŸ™‚ #UFchat

11:37 pm Madison_Woods: @NLGervasio I saw lots of new writers on #UFchat– was pleasantly surprised.

11:37 pm wulfshado: @NLGervasio @HC_Palmquist That was pretty cool. #UFchat

11:38 pm StaciaKane: @Madison_Woods Yeah, it was cool! I didn’t know so many of us would be here! πŸ™‚ #UFChat

11:38 pm HC_Palmquist: @turnfeel33 Thank you!!! #UFchat

11:39 pm Madison_Woods: @StaciaKane I didn’t know there were still so many more hiding in the woodworks, LOL πŸ™‚ #ufchat

11:39 pm thedragongem: I’m excited…new people to read! #UFchat

11:40 pm NLGervasio: @StaciaKane Yep, just like me! lol Seriously, though, I like your writing. Must read more. =) #UFChat

11:40 pm StaciaKane: @turnfeel33 (edit) It was great to chat with everyone. #UFChat

11:41 pm StaciaKane: @NLGervasio Thanks, please do! πŸ™‚ #UFChat

11:41 pm StaciaKane: Has everyone read @tasmin21‘s DEVIL IN THE DETAILS? Awesome UF, male POV, married guy. Really cool. #UFChat

11:42 pm turnfeel33: @StaciaKane Thanks again for taking some time out for us fans. Have a good weekend! #UFChat

11:42 pm UF_Chat: Love what read! RT @StaciaKane Has everyone read @tasmin21‘s DEVIL IN THE DETAILS? Awesome UF, male POV, married guy. Really cool. #UFChat

11:42 pm inkgypsy: Love what read! RT @StaciaKane Has everyone read @tasmin21‘s DEVIL IN THE DETAILS? Awesome UF, male POV, married guy. Really cool. #UFChat

11:43 pm StaciaKane: @turnfeel33 You’re welcome, thanks for coming! And you too! #UFChat

11:43 pm UF_Chat: I am now signing off #UFchat but please feel free to add links, recommendations etc. I will add them to the transcript!

11:44 pm timeofthefaerie: RT @StaciaKane Has everyone read @tasmin21‘s DEVIL IN THE DETAILS? Awesome UF, male POV, married guy. Really cool. #UFChat

11:46 pm inkgypsy: @GargoylePhan I missed a lot too! Difficult to keep up but is a good problem to have. #UFchat

11:46 pm StaciaKane: My laptop battery is about to die, so it’s time for me to go too. Thanks again everyone! You can always talk to me on Twitter #UFChat

11:47 pm StaciaKane: Or email or whatever. πŸ™‚ I love getting emails from readers! #UFChat

11:48 pm StaciaKane: @MarieIvarsson Thanks hon! #UFChat

11:48 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Do you have a fan email we can add to the transcript? #UFchat

11:48 pm StaciaKane: Okay, I’m out! Later everyone! Thanks again! #UFChat

11:48 pm joannaterrero: RT @StaciaKane: I *want* to write urban fantasy. Ijust want to write it in my own style, my own way, with the things I think are awesome & whatever. #UFChat

11:50 pm UF_Chat: @StaciaKane Thanks again! Have a great rest of the weekend. Release day looms! Again! Woot! #UFchat

11:50 pm inkgypsy: @StaciaKane Thanks again! Have a great rest of the weekend. Release day looms! Again! Woot! #UFchat

11:52 pm Madison_Woods: I enjoyed the tail end of this chat and will try my best to be on time for the next one…which is when? #ufchat

11:52 pm UF_Chat: Want to email Stacia? Here’s the deets! #UFchat RT @StaciaKane: @UF_Chat Contact form on site or staciakane AT gmail. πŸ™‚

11:53 pm UF_Chat: Over and out. #UFchat – Happy weekend all!

11:53 pm jaymgates: RT @Madison_Woods: I enjoyed the tail end of this chat and will try my best to be on time for the next one…which is when? #ufchat

11:54 pm rixshep: @Madison_Woods #UFchat is going to be Saturdays, 3pm pst, 6pm est.

11:55 pm inkgypsy:@jaymgates Every Saturday 3pm PST/ 6pm EST. πŸ™‚ Hope to see you next week. #UFchat

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END OF TRANSCRIPT FOR JULY 24, 2010

An enormous thank you once again to the lovely Stacia Kane for answering questions about her writing and Downside series. We wish her every success (more! more!). Don’t forget to go grab book three this week!

Great first chat everyone! Heaps to think about and expand on in the future. Stay tuned to @UF_Chat on Twitter for next Saturday’s topic.

See you next week!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)


Chat Topic: July 24, 2010

Here’s the big topic we’ll be discussing at our very first #UFchat tomorrow (Saturday July 24):

How do YOU define UF (in 140 characters or less)?

Got questions for author Stacia Kane of the Downside series (Unholy Ghosts, Unholy Magic & the soon-to-be-released City of Ghosts)?

We’ll be having a special Q&A with her tomorrow too!

Stacia’s groundbreaking dark urban fantasy series is our first ‘recommended read’. See previous post for information on her books, including free sample chapters to get you up to speed for our discussion.

Throw your Urban Fantasy definitions and Downside questions into the mix at our first #UFchat

TOMORROW @ 3pm PST/ 6pm EST!

Follow @UF_Chat for updates and reminders.

See you tomorrow!


Recommended Reads: The Downside Series by Stacia Kane

Title/s: Unholy Ghosts, Unholy Magic, City of Ghosts (Downside Ghosts/Chess Putnam series, books 1-3)
Author: Stacia Kane (@StaciaKane on Twitter)
Type of UF: Dark, edgy, gritty, fast-paced, mystery
Paranormal Element/ Creatures: Ghosts, Magic
Publisher: US – Del Rey/ UK – Harper Voyager (see Stacia’s website for the UK covers)
Release Date/s: June, July & August of 2010
Back Cover Copy:

THE DEPARTED HAVE ARRIVED.

The world is not the way it was. The dead have risen, and the living are under attack. The powerful Church of Real Truth, in charge since the government fell, has sworn to reimburse citizens being harassed by the deceased.

Consequently, there are many false claims of hauntings from those hoping to profit. Enter Chess Putnam, a fully-tattooed witch, freewheeling Debunker, and ghost hunter. She’s got a real talent for nailing human liars and banishing the wicked dead. But she’s keeping a dark secret from the Church: a little drug problem that’s landed her in hot and dangerous water.

Chess owes a lot of money to a murderous drug lord named Bump. And Bump wants immediate payback. All Chess has to do is dispatch a very nasty species of undead from an old airport. But the job involves black magic, human sacrifice, a nefarious demonic creature, and crossing swords with enough wicked energy to wipe out a city of souls. Toss in lust for a rival gang leader and a dangerous attraction to Bump’s ruthless enforcer, and Chess begins to wonder if the rush is really worth it. Hell, yeah.

If you haven’t heard of Stacia Kane’s Downside books yet, you’re missing some really big news – both in urban fantasy and for genre books in general.

Let me give you a taste:

That’s right. Stacia’s first three books in the series are being released back-to-back-to-back right now (that’s how much the publisher believes in the series) and they’re causing quite a stir. Thanks to the unusual premise, the very-flawed-yet-‘relate-able’ MC (particularly regarding her drug habit), the fresh and thorough world-building and the unique-yet-accessible vernacular, people everywhere are talking about these addictive books.

There are many reviews available online for the first two books (Stacia’s website HERE links to many) but I’ll include excerpts from just one thorough review to give you an idea:

(From “Raising Kane: Why the Summer of 2010 Will Be the Summer of Stacia for Paranormal Fantasy Fans” by Paul Goat Allen)

This is an ambitious novel, a novel that shuns the formulaic pitfalls and conventionality of other bestselling paranormal fantasy sagas. This is Stacia Kane at the top of her gameβ€”it is a writer evolved, a storyteller matured, an imagination fully unleashed upon the world…

… if you’re looking for something deeper and darker, I would highly recommend this novel. I loved the (what some would consider) audacious premise; the downright tantalizing glimpses into the otherworldly City of Eternity; the cool, punk rock undertones (at one point Chess is wearing a Dead Kennedys t-shirt); and the wonderfully intricate mystery that intertwines it all together.

Read the whole review HERE.

Dubious about an addicted MC? See what this reviewer (Fiction Vixen) had to say about her concerns HERE.

Stacia Kane

Join us for our very first #UFchat on Saturday July 24th at 3pm PST/6pm EST for a special Q&A with Stacia Kane on her Downside series! Bring your questions or tweet me ahead of time so I can add them. See you there!

Psst! Need to catch up? Read Chapter 1 of Unholy Ghosts FREE online HERE orΒ  download the FIRST FIVE CHAPTERS FREE as a PDF!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)


Welcome toΒ UFChat

Welcome to the official blog for #UFchat! (The new twitter writer chat for Urban Fantasy writers and of course anyone who has an interest in UF.)

#UFchat runs every Saturday at 3:00pm Pacific time, for one hour (more or less, and hopefully that gives a wide range of people ability to participate). The chat will be moderated by @inkgypsy and any questions or suggestions can be sent to (or tweeted to) her.

Be sure to follow the official twitter account of #ufchat @UF_Chat for updates, alerts, topic announcements for the next chat and random UF news!

Not only will the chats be a great place to discuss urban fantasy writing, news and books, it will be a great place to meet brains as twisted as yours, er, mine is. I also hope it will become be a good resource for authors, readers and other enthusiastic gargoyles. Transcripts of the chats will be posted on this blog within 36 hours (except in cases of apocalypses, in which case it may take a little longer). As a bonus, there will be UF author Q&A’s every so often, just to mix it up.

Here’s a little retrospective from the first chat announcement, which gives you an idea of how things work, especially when we’re lucky enough to have a guest author participating in a Q&A:

I’m excited to announce our very first chat is extra special, as Stacia Kane of Unholy Ghosts/Unholy Magic fame will be joining us for a Q&A to start! How awesome! See the recommended reading post (up shortly) for information on Stacia’s groundbreaking series, links to her blog and to where you can read some sample chapters.

After our initial “Yay – we’re finally chatting about UF!” tweets, we’ll go into chat mode and pick Stacia’s brain about her new series (in which all three books are being released only a month apart – June, July and August 2010). Got questions about her books or her brand of urban fantasy? Let us know before the 24th, either via this blog or just tweeting a question to @UF_Chat, and we’ll add them to the list as time allows. Any time left will be spent discussing all things UF so come ready to jump right in – we’ve got your back. πŸ˜‰

All welcome – see you on Saturday!

Gypsy (@inkgypsy)